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China better bite that leather strap pretty hard.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday.."
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US Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard."
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China just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes."
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Lol, so?
Just sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.
Attack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.
U.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.
What a nothing potato of news.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old."
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China,
If you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.
We can do without your cheap shit.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news."
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So cute to see all these little people running around all crazy
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit."
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They do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????
Fairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win..
I hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy"
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye."
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The Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers."
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!"
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for fuck sake, can we all just get along?
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China"
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funny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war.
People even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new.
We never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?"
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally"
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One of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.
I don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger"
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This is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three."
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Warning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance."
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They could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?"
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Why can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money."
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Lol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business"
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China is getting more bold in these incidents.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan"
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents."
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The U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!"
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US reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern."
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Not going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons."
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too."
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we all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron"
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I know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie."
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns"
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected."
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge"
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What a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like"
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???"
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???",
">\n\nChina being typical paper tiger."
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???",
">\n\nChina being typical paper tiger.",
">\n\nThat ship wouldn't last 5 minutes if USA attacked."
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Welp. WW3 incoming or maybe we can just continue to trade and make some cool electronics.
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???",
">\n\nChina being typical paper tiger.",
">\n\nThat ship wouldn't last 5 minutes if USA attacked.",
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???",
">\n\nChina being typical paper tiger.",
">\n\nThat ship wouldn't last 5 minutes if USA attacked.",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns",
">\n\nWelp. WW3 incoming or maybe we can just continue to trade and make some cool electronics."
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???",
">\n\nChina being typical paper tiger.",
">\n\nThat ship wouldn't last 5 minutes if USA attacked.",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns",
">\n\nWelp. WW3 incoming or maybe we can just continue to trade and make some cool electronics.",
">\n\nr/chinawarns"
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???",
">\n\nChina being typical paper tiger.",
">\n\nThat ship wouldn't last 5 minutes if USA attacked.",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns",
">\n\nWelp. WW3 incoming or maybe we can just continue to trade and make some cool electronics.",
">\n\nr/chinawarns",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns"
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???",
">\n\nChina being typical paper tiger.",
">\n\nThat ship wouldn't last 5 minutes if USA attacked.",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns",
">\n\nWelp. WW3 incoming or maybe we can just continue to trade and make some cool electronics.",
">\n\nr/chinawarns",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns",
">\n\nCome a little closer Dear."
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???",
">\n\nChina being typical paper tiger.",
">\n\nThat ship wouldn't last 5 minutes if USA attacked.",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns",
">\n\nWelp. WW3 incoming or maybe we can just continue to trade and make some cool electronics.",
">\n\nr/chinawarns",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns",
">\n\nCome a little closer Dear.",
">\n\n🥶"
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"Okay, we will shadow or warn you but we want to maintain the rules based order. China is allowed to stay 12 miles off shore in international waters. Russia routinely plays this game on the US and Canadian pacific coast. That’s the same that is expected of you China! \nThanks for visiting Guam! We hope you enjoyed your stay.",
">\n\nIn other news: China is now sailing near Russia! Must be an act of war! China is gana war against Russia!",
">\n\nOkay side bar though: Russia would lose boots on the ground or even a nuke china fight.\nRussia would get steamrolled by China hands down",
">\n\nRussia is the paper tiger of paper tigers. China is close second. Check out Chinas shitty “aircraft carrier” if you want some laughs",
">\n\nCan you explain what makes china’s carrier so terrible?",
">\n\nWell first, it's based on the Soviet Kuznetsov class carrier. Russia also has one that's barely been able to leave port and has caught fire multiple times. It's got an oil-fired power system rather than nuclear like US carriers, limiting it's operational range and independence. It's aircraft propulsion system is fairly weak, requiring a ski-ramp to launch aircraft. It's displacement is paltry for it's length, only 70,000 tons at full load compared to 100,000 for the Gerald R Ford class of American carriers. It can carry about 30 less aircraft than the GRF class. They've also only got one because aircraft carriers are expensive as hell and logistically complicated to run and maintain.\nThey've just finished laying down a new design in June as well that's a new design but I doubt that's the one he was referring to as this one hasn't completed it's trials yet and fairly little is known about it. They at least upgraded to EM launchers so they don't need the ski-ramp anymore. It's still expected to hold far fewer aircraft though, around the same as the previously mentioned one.\nBottom line is that China still has a hell of a long way to go to catch up to NATO naval dominance. The good side for them is any likely conflicts will be centered around areas near their mainland so a strong naval presence isn't as important. But for global power projection it is.",
">\n\nYour final point is the most important one though. China doesn’t have a blue water navy, but also has no need to fight a blue water conflict. It’s got a green water navy and is developing more options. The US and France are the only countries with CATOBAR carriers. China is about to join that grouping. \nWhile the current Liaoning is a joke, it’s somewhat less of a joke than the Admiral Kuznetsov. You’re right that China is nowhere near rivaling NATO’s naval power, but currently it doesn’t need to. That may change in a genuine war, but for now China’s regional navy is more than enough to be a thorn in the US’s side.",
">\n\nChina wants to be a global power though, putting footholds in Africa and South America. Without any form of serious hard power projection I believe those efforts will have to be limited in scope. I also believe that China is a threat to the free movement of goods through international waters. If they're allowed to dominate the South China sea I believe they would restrict trade moving through it. They haven't shown themselves to be very friendly neighbors.",
">\n\nI don’t disagree that China is a threat to free navigation in the South China Sea, but right now their global ambitions are more economically handled than militarily. That may change but right now it’s less that they’re going around enforcing their will with power and more that they’re just buying everything wholesale. It’s hard to say no to China when they own your ports.",
">\n\nThe only thing I wonder is, is it legit if the contracts are handle through corruption or with a despot? How will China react if a government after a regime change decides to nullify previous corrupt or likewise deals with China? \nI’m hoping it won’t resort to military force.",
">\n\nThe U.S. is probably gonna be like \"Cool story bro, we'll just send another CSG* into the Taiwan Strait.\"\nEdit: meant CSG not CSN",
">\n\nPull into Taipei port for a couple of weeks.",
">\n\nKaohsiung* fixed that for you",
">\n\nOh no! anyways…💤 \n🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸",
">\n\nSurprised the carrier even made it to guam",
">\n\nI’m sure this getting big play on Chinese state news and yet is barely noticed here in the US. Seems like empty bluster",
">\n\nIt absolutely is empty bluster. China is free to navigate international waters just like the US or any other country. Sailing one of three carriers near Guam (read: andersen air force base and naval base guam) is a big joke. The message here, as usual, is meant for domestic consumption rather than for anyone else. The idea is to make people in China believe this is a serious threat and the US is scared of big strong China brandishing one of three carriers (33% of chinese naval air capacity) in front of one of the most heavily armed and defended US Defense installations west of Hawaii, and what would probably be the main base of operations for anything regarding Taiwan.",
">\n\nIt makes me wonder if the average Chinese, who must be so proud of their three Aircraft Carriers, know how many the US has.",
">\n\nIt’s not just the numbers. It’s the countless years of real world operational experience. It’s the lessons learned in blood over the decades that the Chinese don’t have.",
">\n\nI mean, yeah, but that isn't as easy to communicate as the difference between 11 and 3.",
">\n\nTechnically 19 and 3 lol",
">\n\nEh, I was being nice.",
">\n\nLol. Also if you include our allies’ carriers it is even more.",
">\n\nAlso true=) of course, I am not sure if the average person living in China knows what having allies means...",
">\n\nThing is, we don't give a fuck. China is fucked, 2023 is going to be a rough year for them.",
">\n\nChina has the problem of a very large population of angry working-age men who are still expected to take care of their parents even though they have no way of getting married or becoming fathers of their own (decades of one-child created a horrible gender imbalance).",
">\n\nRussia has an opposite problem now. Panda is going to fuck brown bear",
">\n\nWell my Mexican ass would love a Russian woman. So panda going to have to step aside because this\nMexican jumping bean is jumping to the front of the line",
">\n\nRussian wives are like Jeep Wranglers - incredibly seductive but totally impractical, and very high maintenance. \nThe seductive appeal fades in a few years. The impracticality and high maintenance remain. Forever.",
">\n\nLol, this guy got Russian mail bride",
">\n\nDodged the bullet twice my guy. Two long term Russian girlfriends. We are done with the Eastern block.\nWe only date west of Austria now...",
">\n\nMost Polish women are fine from my experience\nBut yeah, you’re right lol",
">\n\nEastern European women are like white version of Asian women because both of them have stereotypes: beautiful, traditional, loyal, submissive, non-feminist. Oh, and both of E.European and Asian women tend to be fetishized.",
">\n\nGotta do some saber rattling to distract from the shitty home front",
">\n\nBro, if those Chinese sailors tried some Chamorro BBQ, I doubt they’d ever go back to China. \nThe food is the thing I miss the most about Guam. Take me back to Terry’s Comfort Food.",
">\n\nTbf, there's probably a considerable percentage of them that wouldn't want to go back to China if they landed practically anywhere else 🤣",
">\n\nI think the only people the PLA Navy are scaring with this maneuver are the poor crewmen aboard these ships.",
">\n\nHopefully they know that there is definitely at least one nuclear submarine shadowing them the entire way",
">\n\nYou know damn well every sub in the area is using this as invaluable real world training. And Guam is a major submarine base.",
">\n\nI once spoke to a guy who sailed on a submarine. He said China was so far behind, they were right under them watching them do anti sub exercises. The PLA had no idea they were there.",
">\n\nI was a sub guy. I can neither confirm nor deny we did that.",
">\n\nWas pretty much confirmed during the Hainan collision incident when the Chinese found documentation basically saying we were tracking their subs via SigInt",
">\n\nYeah, sure china.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nBeijing expressed outrage at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan in August - a move the California Democrat had previously rescheduled, reportedly over concerns about blowback from China.\n\"China will never attack US military bases in Guam as long as the US military does not attack China or interfere in the Taiwan question,\" it wrote, citing Chinese analysts, \"But having such capabilities is a deterrent against potential US provocations.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: China^#1 US^#2 military^#3 Chinese^#4 Taiwan^#5",
">\n\nI bet the Chinese never noticed the attack subs shadowing them.",
">\n\nThe whole world knows that USA subs are patrolling that area. It's already expected so not a surprise for the Chinese defence forces.",
">\n\nIt's not something the Chinese talking heads are going to mention. The real power is beneath the surface.",
">\n\nEveryone is very impressed and scared by the Chinese boats /s",
">\n\nChina should really be focused on home, considering they are in the process of restarting the pandemic full tilt like 2020.",
">\n\n\nChina has sailed one of its three aircraft carriers near the U.S. territory of Guam, Japanese officials confirmed, ending an already combative year with a rare move that Beijing signaled as a clear warning to the Biden administration over Taiwan.\nThe Chinese fleet, led by the aircraft carrier Liaoning, had already spurred several clashes with U.S. allies in the region with its tour of the western Pacific, most recently by conducting roughly 260 takeoff and landing drills near the Japanese island of Okinawa, home to a major U.S. military presence. The operations prompted the Japanese air force to scramble fighter jets and helicopters, as well as a destroyer and other elements of its self-defense forces.\nBut Japanese officials also confirmed Thursday that the Chinese vessels had transited to the south, near the western edge of territory the U.S. claims as part of the remote island of Guam – a critical element of America’s ability to project military might in the region as both a stopping point and a base for strategic Air Force bombers and Navy submarines.\nChinese state news framed the deployment as an overt provocation to the U.S. and a warning against continuing behavior this year that has outraged Beijing.\n\nAww ... poor \"outraged\" Beijing. Is this the same Beijing that has illegally occupied reefs in the South China and claimed the entire territory of it for itself? Is this the same Beijing that seized Tibet? Is this the same Beijing that has thrown millions of Uyghurs into its concentration camps?\nPoor, outraged Beijing.\nAww ... poor babies",
">\n\nXi and Putin must have coordinated their tactics of crying over how unfair it is that they can't invade and annex other countries...",
">\n\nThe sad part is, iirc, both nations have said something to the effect of, \"the West had their imperialism and colonial stage, we deserve one too!\"\nWhich is, also, hilarious.",
">\n\nThe west still supports its allies of stealing land, Israel steals land from Palestinians and Syrians. USA gifts $10,000,000 to Israel every day to ensure they kill as many brown foreigners as possible.",
">\n\nYea, we should really be discouraging violence instead of encouraging it.",
">\n\nFor china's Navy, just getting to Guam and back is a big mission. Someone should congratulate them on being that far from home.",
">\n\nMaybe some years ago. That is unfortunately changing rather fast though. China’s navy is in an utterly massive build up, including with its logistics",
">\n\nTheir navy will falter at the first sign of combat. They are untested, unreliable, and inexperienced. You think the US is worried about anti-ship capabilities of adversaries? PLAN has no plan. \nThree carriers? That's three ASM's from a single cruiser or sub. Their Carrier-strike-group? A destroyer wouldn't even have to fire its full salvo.\nOne of our CSG's could take on the majority of PLAN's bluewater-capable vessels.",
">\n\nThey are untested, but their equipment at least seems quite capable.\nAnd, of course, a lot of other navies’ tech also hasn’t been used used much in actual combat.They must certainly would take a lot more than just three AShMs to take down.\nOf course, the US would win fairly well depending on our numbers.\nBut we would take damage.\nWe cannot assume their equipment is much worse than our’s, and while we know they would have organizational disadvantages, one of the most dangerous things one can do is underestimate a deadly enemy",
">\n\nThe Liaoning is a refitted Soviet era hulk Chinese bought off of Ukraine as it was left in Crimea rusting after the Soviet Union collapsed. \nIt’s a cope-slope carrier that is barely on par with a U.S. marine amphibious assault ship. It’s nothing like an actual USN super carrier.",
">\n\n“Cope-slope” is an idiotic term, at least when it’s used in reference as it is many times to the RN’s very capable carriers.\nBut anyway:\nYes, very clearly that carrier is small and not nearly as capable as Us ships. But they have a larger one in commission as well and another pretty soon on the way (and I believe are in the process of building a few more). The 003 they are fitting out is the closest thing anyone has ever had outside the US to a US super carrier and indeed will probably deserve that title when in commission.\nPlus they have started to commission amphibious assault ships of their own. \nAnd carriers are far, far from the only factor here.\nThey have a modern fleet of dozens of powerful surface combatants, plus a large submarine arm.\nThey are a very credible threat if it comes down to that and with their insane build rate they get more and more so by the month",
">\n\nThe French carrier and the new British carriers atleast have catapults. I would say that's closer to a supercarrier than anything else.",
">\n\nUh huh, you try and do something over there by Guam and see how soon your ship becomes an artificial reef.",
">\n\nWatch out! China might try to convert that artifical reef into a real island and claim it!",
">\n\nI walked into that one",
">\n\nWarn the US about what? That they are interested in losing their military equipment?",
">\n\nEh whatever , fuck off cunts",
">\n\nGood for you China, you really showed those Americans by sailing your ships in International Waters…",
">\n\nChina is decades away from truly being able to project power out to Guam, but they are free to take sailing trips out there periodically.",
">\n\nIn what way? \nI believe they have the supply ships, or at least are actively building them.",
">\n\nThose ships are sitting ducks.",
">\n\nNo more so than any other ships, less than many with their pretty good AAW and ASW capabilities.\nThey also have nuclear submarines that can come along and they have carriers if that support is needed.\nChina is a lot weaker than the US navaly and pretty inexperienced. But they still are the 2nd strongest/biggest navy on the planet with mostly quite modern tech",
">\n\nMost of their navy are small, coastal based ships. Yes, they are building capable ships, but they are light years behind in technology and experience to take on the USN. If a shooting war popped off in the Pacific, China would get absolutely wrecked.",
">\n\nTDL that China's navy can get to Guam.",
">\n\nIs this just a regular thing that happens like every week now?",
">\n\nChina ya lost. You overplayed your hand.",
">\n\nChina flexing on Guam is like the US flexing on the Madagascar penguins",
">\n\nit’s not a flex…they know what they’re doing…they just want to see what they can get away with…they are studying every move that is happening from every side in this russia ukraine situation",
">\n\nThe answer is a lot... far more than most people can imagine even. Then one day the previous gains embolden them to go even further and then they can't get away with almost anything and all the previous gains are nothing compared to the massive losses. \nThis is pretty clear from studying the situation in Ukraine.\nAnd lets not forget that this sort of situations also have a small but very real chance of complete and utter extermination of all human life on earth...",
">\n\nWe need Japan to arm up as fast as possible. That is why China threw a shit fit when Japan upped it's military spending. \nIt's hilarious that Xi, the worthless trash on the bottom of a shoe, feels that he can tell Japan not to defend it's interests",
">\n\nYou are right.\nHowever, most of China's arms, are either bought from Russia or are rip-offs or reverse engineered.\nSo they have all the design flaws of Russian weapons. They are basically 60s technology, and very badly designed and manufactured.\nThey have lots of weapons, but they are unsuitable for a 2023 area war.\nChina can start a war, but there are no scenario where they win.\nJust like there is no scenario where Russia wins in Ukraine.",
">\n\nThe Chinese military industry is better than Russia's now.",
">\n\nAnd Russia was suppose to be this militaristic powerhouse.",
">\n\nThey're actually both weak and strong at the same time.",
">\n\n“Looking Good, Billy Ray! Feeling Good, Louis!”",
">\n\nUS: Ok, then. That was always allowed.",
">\n\nSometimes it would just be nice if world leaders weren't 10-year olds.",
">\n\nDamn near 8% of the population there are US veterans. That's a whole lotta unsupervised find out just waiting for someone to fuck around.",
">\n\nNobody in the US is afraid of you, China.",
">\n\nLike any other nation China is entitled to sail international waters. Freedom of Navigation is not a provocation.",
">\n\n\nThey had a fighter intercept and provoke a RC-135 over the South China Sea yesterday. Came within 10 feet of colliding.\n\nWhile I enjoy bashing china as much as the next guy.\n\nThe incident, which involved a Chinese Navy J-11 fighter jet and a U.S. air force RC-135 aircraft, took place on Dec. 21\n\nIt happened over a week ago now, while this is still recent; not as recent as yesterday.\nEDIT: I see I've been down voted a few times, I'm guessing you lot didn't read what I said first, doesn't make me wrong. China still bad.",
">\n\nThanks for the update - the Reuters article was dated 12-29. My point - that China has a history of failing to recognize “international waters” - is well-documented beyond this incident. They routinely have ignored international maritime law, as well as engaging in illegal commercial fishing in waters claimed by Indonesia, the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, etc. This is all a part of overall Chinese strategy to project naval and military power into the region.",
">\n\nIs China still using that awesome sonar that found Malaysia Air 370?\nWorried; NOT Worried.",
">\n\nChina seems to have the \"technology\" which allows it to replicate western tech. How effective , is up to debate.",
">\n\nFor God sakes just do something or shut the fuck up",
">\n\nWe must protect the G-Spot at all costs!",
">\n\nWatch yourselves, China! Don't make the U.S. send Nancy Pelosi back to Taiwan!",
">\n\nWhen I was getting orders to Guam in 2018 North Korea was threatening to wipe guam off the map, and now China is threatening. Guam is a beautiful place but used like a chess piece. Such a beautiful place though with awesome food and an awesome culture. If China even makes one stupid move there’s probably countless subs with enough fire power to sink there whole fleet lurking deep below. China is so dumb.",
">\n\nIf i had to guess, US navy was probably salivating over the possibility of sinking some Chinese warships",
">\n\n6 or 7 subs following them under water lol",
">\n\nI know in the grand scheme of things that this maneuver is like, not even an incident worth thinking about. But also at the same time it gives off the vibe of China approaching the ‘fuck around’ phase of ‘fuck around and find out.’ And I don’t really feel like seeing what ‘find out’ looks like.",
">\n\nThis is the same CCP military that got their asses handed to them in Kashmir last year by a bunch of Indian park rangers throwing sticks and stones? Check.",
">\n\nGood way to lose a ship. China should learn from Putin’s mistakes.",
">\n\nchina: acts illegally and provocatively towards every single nation except NK\nUS: reacts\nchina: what is this anti chinese discrimination?",
">\n\nit's international water, honey",
">\n\nI really don't think China has the balls to do it. Covid is eating their civillians. Their economy is fucked due to the recent housing crash. And there is civil instability on the rise. This would be a terrible move unless global leaders have fully accepted accelerationism.",
">\n\nThere is enough electronic and audio surveillance equipment in Guam and vessels stationed nearby to get all electronic and audio intelligence from these leaky buckets.",
">\n\nA country that’s likely to be hitting 40-50 million Covid cases a day is itching for a war. Not sure how well that will work out for them.",
">\n\nsending some to the west is a pretty good start",
">\n\nJokes on them. We will just ignore it until everyone is infected, vaxxed or dead. China underestimates the power of Florida man stupidity.",
">\n\nChina is not a deep water navy.",
">\n\nBut I love to see them cross the Pacific and go to San Diego.",
">\n\nWith what patrol boats are you suggesting?",
">\n\nPreferably a sampan",
">\n\nUh oh! Gas prices must be getting too low again. Time for a war!",
">\n\nBeautiful freedom of navigation. Works for everyone without complaints.",
">\n\nmy dick’s bigger…no mine is way bigger than yours… nope mine is the biggest! ya’ll don’t know what a big dick looks like, mine is massive!",
">\n\nThe radar profiles of the Chinese armada are now confirmed in the anti-ship database for future reference. Thank you Xi, for your help. We know who the enemies are and now the targets are on our list. 🐻",
">\n\nIt is as if all of the megalomaniacs are competing to see who can face palm the fastest. Individual countries and billionaires! It's like a free-for-all!!!!!",
">\n\nChina's mighty Navy that can't even go into deep water. I'm sure the Americans are shivering.",
">\n\nHow weak are they to flex on Guam? We routinely sail between their coast and the independent Taiwan, right? \nWhat an embarrassment!",
">\n\nThey threatening to lob missiles into the ocean again? That’s not very eco friendly of them.",
">\n\nWhen they sail this close isn’t it an intelligence gathering bonanza for us as in US?",
">\n\nI really doubt the US is at all worried about China’s floating paper weights they have out there. It would be over incredibly fast if they actually tried something.",
">\n\nNice!!! Didn't need a tug boat!!! You can float!!! Gg",
">\n\nMore final warnings from China?",
">\n\n“That was always allowed”",
">\n\nThey’re liable to fuck around and lose access to those fishing shoals off of South America. There’s a whole lot of blue water between there and china.",
">\n\nBring it. I'm sure the US Navy is foaming at the fucking mouth to deep 6 a LOT of chineese garbage barges.\nYes, we'd lose ships too. But China would QUICKLY become a land ONLY power shortly thereafter. They can't hang, they are in DIRE need of reminding of that FACT.",
">\n\nWow… China has the best Navy and the best tech. Pathetic. They will lose.",
">\n\nThis type of stuff has been happening for a while now. I remember writing a paper about this type of stuff way back in 2019. Nothing will come of it",
">\n\nBy now, both countries are just sitting ducks. All what U.S. is doing will be to not pay attention to China's yapping.",
">\n\nBasically, this news report is saying both countries are 'ready' and waiting who's going to make the first move. \nLet's play chicken!",
">\n\nSo another Tuesday..",
">\n\nChina better bite that leather strap pretty hard.",
">\n\nUS Subs tailing it the whole way unnoticed. Armed with fleet killing torpedoes.",
">\n\nChina just trying to provoke the US into conflict for some reason. They are literally going the “I’m not touching you” route like a five year old.",
">\n\nLol, so?\nJust sailing near by to perform a freedom of navigation operation, so what? You're welcome to. It's your legal right, just like U.S. performing any freedom of navigation operation.\nAttack Guam, and then see what happens. That is a whole different story.\nU.S. has no intention of attacking Taiwan, rather they are an ally we would defend.\nWhat a nothing potato of news.",
">\n\nChina,\nIf you think the Russians fucked around and found out, wait until you do the same. Your army of starved soldiers will get obliterated.\nWe can do without your cheap shit.",
">\n\nSo cute to see all these little people running around all crazy",
">\n\nThey do know about the US Pacific Fleet right??? RIGHT????\nFairly sure the USPF could take on most the world solo and win.. \nI hate the military industrial complex we have here in then US but shit...even I'm amazed and terrified by how powerful we are. We could literally fuck up 95% of the Chinese population with just the USPF and not bat an eye.",
">\n\nGrow up global superpowers.",
">\n\nThe Japanese military has awakened and is backed by America. Now china has a new problem. Besides the 2 billion homegrown problems. Don’t know about brown bear or panda bear? But Poo bear has real problems now!",
">\n\nCan’t wait for the giant mech suits to come stomping over mainland China",
">\n\nfor fuck sake, can we all just get along?",
">\n\nfunny how people are raising a big stink about these things, yet back in the Cold War, the USSR was always sailing warships off the mainland US coast or US territories and we didn't think anything of it. They regularly parked nuclear submarines off both the east and west coast of the US and occasionally sailed them into the Gulf of Mexico. But of course most younger people don't understand that these days.....back in the 70s and 80s, I grew up with the constant threat of nuclear war. \nPeople even get all worried about when there are Russian bombers flying off the coast of Alaska as if it is something new, yet they were commonplace back during the Cold War. It's nothing new. \nWe never made much of a stink about it then, and we shouldn't be doing so now with them sailing off of Guam. As long as they are in international waters or airspace, they're doing the same thing we do when our navy sails around the world. Quit with the thinking it's not ok when they do it, when our own navy does the same thing. Only difference is our navy doesn't act like assholes like the Chinese or Russian navies tend to do occasionally",
">\n\nPaperTiger",
">\n\nOne of its three aircraft carriers that lacks a full complement of aircraft or pilots.\nI don’t think they have a full crew if you combined all three.",
">\n\nThis is funny because the US, Japan, Australia, UK All had subs following the sea-born clown show. They think it shows strength but only shows their ignorance.",
">\n\nWarning? What warning? That they’ve finally sorted out how to sail outside of their territorial waters?",
">\n\nThey could just threaten not to provide markets for Nike, Microsoft, Tesla, and a shitload of other Western corporations that have sold their ass for communist money.",
">\n\nWhy can't all these countries stay in their lane? Just mind ur fucking business",
">\n\nLol do whatever you want, nothing can beat Nancy Pelosi visiting Taiwan",
">\n\nChina is getting more bold in these incidents.",
">\n\nThe comments here are very unrealistic and ignorant!",
">\n\nThe U.S. sails ships off Chinas coast, US good, China bad. China sails ships off U.S. territory, US good, China bad. I sense a pattern.",
">\n\nUS reaction: Build up Taiwan defenses. Good move morons.",
">\n\nNot going to lie, I WANT this war...first time in my life I've ever felt that way. I'll volunteer, too.",
">\n\nYoure a moron",
">\n\nwe all know US cant do shit to china even sailing near its shore and this is the same for China. They wont do shit even if they are sailing in lake Erie.",
">\n\nI know a lot of yinzers that might have a problem with that especially if it steel. Head season and they are by elk creek lots of fishing poles and guns",
">\n\nTons of anti-Chinese racism in this thread, to be expected.",
">\n\nMirror’s Edge",
">\n\nMaybe they were trying to get a look at what a real carrier looks like",
">\n\nWhat a waste of everyone’s resources and time…when can we have competent people in charge???",
">\n\nChina being typical paper tiger.",
">\n\nThat ship wouldn't last 5 minutes if USA attacked.",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns",
">\n\nWelp. WW3 incoming or maybe we can just continue to trade and make some cool electronics.",
">\n\nr/chinawarns",
">\n\nr/ChinaWarns",
">\n\nCome a little closer Dear.",
">\n\n🥶",
">\n\nWho are they selling it to?"
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I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.
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You’re doing it right 🫡
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For me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.
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"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡"
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I've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.
Persona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.
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"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane."
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“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.
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[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog."
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Its your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you.
Personally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.
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[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description."
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I’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.
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[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me."
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When i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.
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"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming."
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At this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.
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[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game."
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is this: persona 5?
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[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story."
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From Software: Difficulty levels? What dat
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"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?"
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It's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.
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[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat"
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i play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)
someone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about
it's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)
he claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy "gaming" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl
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[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode."
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I've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.
I die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.
"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game"
I'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.
And it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a "Hell yeah, I did it!", it's a "oh my fucking god it's finally over". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.
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"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl"
] |
>
Games can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings.
Other than that i agree.
True gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends."
] |
>
Thats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate."
] |
>
I agree, and I often play games on either "normal" or "easy" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way."
] |
>
I'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.
So, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me.
It's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me."
] |
>
Hell yeah! The options are there for a reason!
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun."
] |
>
I like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer.
ALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!"
] |
>
I wouldn't really call games an "escape" because that just makes it sound like an addictive cure for your problems (which they are not). Games are a leisure activity plain and simple.
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!",
">\n\nI like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer. \nALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!"
] |
>
It's a weird form of elitism. I play pretty much everything on normal by default but some games just get frustrating with the difficulty and I have no problem bumping that bitch down to easy to show it who's boss.
Video games are meant to be enjoyed any way you feel like it. The only wrong way to enjoy a game is if you're actively trying to ruin the experience for others, aside form that play it however you get the most enjoyment out of it.
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!",
">\n\nI like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer. \nALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!",
">\n\nI wouldn't really call games an \"escape\" because that just makes it sound like an addictive cure for your problems (which they are not). Games are a leisure activity plain and simple."
] |
>
To me gaming is relaxing. I really enjoy it based on the story so I rather play them in the easiest mode, so i can enjoy the story at its full
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!",
">\n\nI like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer. \nALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!",
">\n\nI wouldn't really call games an \"escape\" because that just makes it sound like an addictive cure for your problems (which they are not). Games are a leisure activity plain and simple.",
">\n\nIt's a weird form of elitism. I play pretty much everything on normal by default but some games just get frustrating with the difficulty and I have no problem bumping that bitch down to easy to show it who's boss.\nVideo games are meant to be enjoyed any way you feel like it. The only wrong way to enjoy a game is if you're actively trying to ruin the experience for others, aside form that play it however you get the most enjoyment out of it."
] |
>
Im a big story guy myself, honestly it’s top priority for me. If the story is wack, idgaf about difficulty 😂
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!",
">\n\nI like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer. \nALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!",
">\n\nI wouldn't really call games an \"escape\" because that just makes it sound like an addictive cure for your problems (which they are not). Games are a leisure activity plain and simple.",
">\n\nIt's a weird form of elitism. I play pretty much everything on normal by default but some games just get frustrating with the difficulty and I have no problem bumping that bitch down to easy to show it who's boss.\nVideo games are meant to be enjoyed any way you feel like it. The only wrong way to enjoy a game is if you're actively trying to ruin the experience for others, aside form that play it however you get the most enjoyment out of it.",
">\n\nTo me gaming is relaxing. I really enjoy it based on the story so I rather play them in the easiest mode, so i can enjoy the story at its full"
] |
>
I play cod on the hardest difficulty, I genuinely believe it makes the game worse. But I always been doing it in every cod game so it feels wrong if I play on any easier.
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!",
">\n\nI like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer. \nALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!",
">\n\nI wouldn't really call games an \"escape\" because that just makes it sound like an addictive cure for your problems (which they are not). Games are a leisure activity plain and simple.",
">\n\nIt's a weird form of elitism. I play pretty much everything on normal by default but some games just get frustrating with the difficulty and I have no problem bumping that bitch down to easy to show it who's boss.\nVideo games are meant to be enjoyed any way you feel like it. The only wrong way to enjoy a game is if you're actively trying to ruin the experience for others, aside form that play it however you get the most enjoyment out of it.",
">\n\nTo me gaming is relaxing. I really enjoy it based on the story so I rather play them in the easiest mode, so i can enjoy the story at its full",
">\n\nIm a big story guy myself, honestly it’s top priority for me. If the story is wack, idgaf about difficulty 😂"
] |
>
I keep seeing stuff like this lately. I still can’t wrap my head around people putting so much value on video games. Who cares?! It’s make believe. Purely entertainment. Boasting about being good at video games is the lamest flex in history.
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!",
">\n\nI like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer. \nALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!",
">\n\nI wouldn't really call games an \"escape\" because that just makes it sound like an addictive cure for your problems (which they are not). Games are a leisure activity plain and simple.",
">\n\nIt's a weird form of elitism. I play pretty much everything on normal by default but some games just get frustrating with the difficulty and I have no problem bumping that bitch down to easy to show it who's boss.\nVideo games are meant to be enjoyed any way you feel like it. The only wrong way to enjoy a game is if you're actively trying to ruin the experience for others, aside form that play it however you get the most enjoyment out of it.",
">\n\nTo me gaming is relaxing. I really enjoy it based on the story so I rather play them in the easiest mode, so i can enjoy the story at its full",
">\n\nIm a big story guy myself, honestly it’s top priority for me. If the story is wack, idgaf about difficulty 😂",
">\n\nI play cod on the hardest difficulty, I genuinely believe it makes the game worse. But I always been doing it in every cod game so it feels wrong if I play on any easier."
] |
>
As long as you don't make claims about the game's difficulty in ANY sense, or suggest some type of accomplishment for overcoming the gameplay, sure.
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!",
">\n\nI like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer. \nALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!",
">\n\nI wouldn't really call games an \"escape\" because that just makes it sound like an addictive cure for your problems (which they are not). Games are a leisure activity plain and simple.",
">\n\nIt's a weird form of elitism. I play pretty much everything on normal by default but some games just get frustrating with the difficulty and I have no problem bumping that bitch down to easy to show it who's boss.\nVideo games are meant to be enjoyed any way you feel like it. The only wrong way to enjoy a game is if you're actively trying to ruin the experience for others, aside form that play it however you get the most enjoyment out of it.",
">\n\nTo me gaming is relaxing. I really enjoy it based on the story so I rather play them in the easiest mode, so i can enjoy the story at its full",
">\n\nIm a big story guy myself, honestly it’s top priority for me. If the story is wack, idgaf about difficulty 😂",
">\n\nI play cod on the hardest difficulty, I genuinely believe it makes the game worse. But I always been doing it in every cod game so it feels wrong if I play on any easier.",
">\n\nI keep seeing stuff like this lately. I still can’t wrap my head around people putting so much value on video games. Who cares?! It’s make believe. Purely entertainment. Boasting about being good at video games is the lamest flex in history."
] |
>
If it's a game with a good story, I'll play on easy the first playthrough just to get a grasp of the gameplay and enjoy the plot. Second time around is when I find the hardest setting more enjoyable
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!",
">\n\nI like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer. \nALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!",
">\n\nI wouldn't really call games an \"escape\" because that just makes it sound like an addictive cure for your problems (which they are not). Games are a leisure activity plain and simple.",
">\n\nIt's a weird form of elitism. I play pretty much everything on normal by default but some games just get frustrating with the difficulty and I have no problem bumping that bitch down to easy to show it who's boss.\nVideo games are meant to be enjoyed any way you feel like it. The only wrong way to enjoy a game is if you're actively trying to ruin the experience for others, aside form that play it however you get the most enjoyment out of it.",
">\n\nTo me gaming is relaxing. I really enjoy it based on the story so I rather play them in the easiest mode, so i can enjoy the story at its full",
">\n\nIm a big story guy myself, honestly it’s top priority for me. If the story is wack, idgaf about difficulty 😂",
">\n\nI play cod on the hardest difficulty, I genuinely believe it makes the game worse. But I always been doing it in every cod game so it feels wrong if I play on any easier.",
">\n\nI keep seeing stuff like this lately. I still can’t wrap my head around people putting so much value on video games. Who cares?! It’s make believe. Purely entertainment. Boasting about being good at video games is the lamest flex in history.",
">\n\nAs long as you don't make claims about the game's difficulty in ANY sense, or suggest some type of accomplishment for overcoming the gameplay, sure."
] |
>
|
[
"I literally do not care one iota about what anyone thinks about how I play video games.",
">\n\nYou’re doing it right 🫡",
">\n\nFor me, if the game is too hard for me to get through at my own pace and relaxed then it isn't fun to play. It's why I can't do raids, grandmasters, legend and master difficulties on Destiny.. damn shit is far too hard for me even with friends so I just stick to my own lane.",
">\n\nI've switched plenty of video games to easy mode just because they're tedious as hell on hard. A lot of modern game designers really suck at properly implementing difficulty, so the result is just to make all the enemies into damage sponges.\nPersona 5 and Ni No Kuni were two RPGs I played recently and eventually switched to easy mode just because random battles were taking FOREVER. I like a challenge, not a slog.",
">\n\n“I like a challenge, not a slog” perfect description.",
">\n\nIts your game, your money, your property, your time. So you can play however you want, you are not obligated to do anything anyone else tells you. You do you. \nPersonally, I find that if a game doesnt offer a reasonable challenge, I dont enjoy it. But thats just me.",
">\n\nI’m the same way, something about doing something frustrating then completing it, gives me a rush. But that shouldn’t be everyone’s standard of gaming.",
">\n\nWhen i was a kid, i used to play everything on medium. Never easy or hard. I always thought that was what the game is meant to be played like. I saw it as an accomplishment too, beating a game. I don't have as much time on my hands now, and playing a game is somewhat of a special occurence, so i can't throw away countless hours on repeating some part of it just because it's supposed to be difficult. If the game gets hard, i put it on easy, no second thoughts. If i can then restore it to medium, great, if not...i don't care. I just want to get through the game.",
">\n\nAt this point, I play turn-based games on easy mode. They’re not difficult, they’re just boring as shit to play and I want to finish the menu-flipping faster so I can get back to the story.",
">\n\nis this: persona 5?",
">\n\nFrom Software: Difficulty levels? What dat",
">\n\nIt's called magic and summoning if you want to unlock the secret easy mode.",
">\n\ni play fallout and one or two other games on hardcore - everything else i start out on the easiest setting and dial it up if needed (which is never, really)\nsomeone else's opinion of what or how i play games is roughly as important as someone telling me how to sit while i watch tv - i'm struggling to imagine something i could care less about\nit's a little funny, i have a buddy whose taste in games is the exact opposite of mine; he likes very hard/permadeath/pixelated/2D nonsense (binding of isaac/super meat/etc) and i like pretty, easy, open world, escapism (borderlands/far cry/etc)\nhe claims he could stick a keyboard in my lap and sit me in front of a blu-ray of Nemo and i'd be perfectly happy \"gaming\" that way...and i'm certain his idea of the perfect game would be a single dark pixel on an otherwise empty screen and if he moves it or does anything at all it empties his bank account irl",
">\n\nI've had DOOM elitists hate on me for refusing to play Eternal on Nightmare difficulty.\nI die like crazy on Nightmare and can barely get far in just the campaign, and TAG 1 was complete hell (no pun intended) even just on Ultra Violence.\n\"If you play for long enough on Nightmare you'll get better and better at the game\"\nI'm sorry but this is not true and it never was. People have limitations. I've been playing TF2 for 3,800+ hours and I'm still fucking average at the game. I'm not going to then play Doom Eternal for 100,000 hours just to beat one master level on ultra nightmare difficulty so I can unlock that weapon skin I really wanted.\nAnd it's not even satisfying either. I literally don't enjoy having beaten something stupidly difficult. I don't care about the end goal, I care about the experience. It's not a \"Hell yeah, I did it!\", it's a \"oh my fucking god it's finally over\". I just feel miserable all the way thru and even after it ends.",
">\n\nGames can also be made to make us feel emotions. Sometime the game being a bit difficult helps to feel those feelings. \nOther than that i agree. \nTrue gamer's meaning should be to be passionate about games. You dont have to select the difficulty hard to be passionate.",
">\n\nThats a good point, I think subconsciously that’s part of why I opt for harder difficulty, helps with the immersion and connecting to those feelings. Never thought of it that way.",
">\n\nI agree, and I often play games on either \"normal\" or \"easy\" settings, depending on the game. Video games aren't what my life is about, I just play them for fun. I also enjoy the storytelling most of all, so making the gameplay too difficult just doesn't make it more fun for me.",
">\n\nI'm in my 50s now. Hand-eye coordination and eyesight aren't what they were even 20 years ago. And I've never had the time to spend hours a day honing skills.\nSo, I have no shame playing on easy or normal skill settings. At least for my first play through. If it's an especially enjoyable game, I might try harder difficulties for a 2nd or 3rd play. But the max hardest difficulties are usually not going to be enjoyable for me. \nIt's ok. It's supposed to be fun. I'm not making money doing it. I'll make my own challenges for fun.",
">\n\nHell yeah! The options are there for a reason!",
">\n\nI like to play games on easy. Even then some games are amazingly frustrating. I feel that some game designers like to make games frustrating so people end up playing the game for longer. \nALL YOU HAD TO DO, WAS TO FOLLOW THE DAMM TRAIN, CJ!!!",
">\n\nI wouldn't really call games an \"escape\" because that just makes it sound like an addictive cure for your problems (which they are not). Games are a leisure activity plain and simple.",
">\n\nIt's a weird form of elitism. I play pretty much everything on normal by default but some games just get frustrating with the difficulty and I have no problem bumping that bitch down to easy to show it who's boss.\nVideo games are meant to be enjoyed any way you feel like it. The only wrong way to enjoy a game is if you're actively trying to ruin the experience for others, aside form that play it however you get the most enjoyment out of it.",
">\n\nTo me gaming is relaxing. I really enjoy it based on the story so I rather play them in the easiest mode, so i can enjoy the story at its full",
">\n\nIm a big story guy myself, honestly it’s top priority for me. If the story is wack, idgaf about difficulty 😂",
">\n\nI play cod on the hardest difficulty, I genuinely believe it makes the game worse. But I always been doing it in every cod game so it feels wrong if I play on any easier.",
">\n\nI keep seeing stuff like this lately. I still can’t wrap my head around people putting so much value on video games. Who cares?! It’s make believe. Purely entertainment. Boasting about being good at video games is the lamest flex in history.",
">\n\nAs long as you don't make claims about the game's difficulty in ANY sense, or suggest some type of accomplishment for overcoming the gameplay, sure.",
">\n\nIf it's a game with a good story, I'll play on easy the first playthrough just to get a grasp of the gameplay and enjoy the plot. Second time around is when I find the hardest setting more enjoyable"
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You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.
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I think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced."
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Only a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities."
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There are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.
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[
"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone"
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They have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people."
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Honestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things."
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It doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households."
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Thrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing."
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All food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.
The other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity"
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come on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there."
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So OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?
What about house flipping?
What about repairing and reselling broken electronics?
What part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?"
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All the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value.
Closer examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it."
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If they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console."
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These people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return.
A thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.
It's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too."
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How are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman."
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They lose money when people don't come in.
Take Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor."
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You're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales?
Can you hear yourself?
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade."
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they aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?"
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as a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no "bridge" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this
anyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first."
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Thrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.
I agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff"
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I think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why.
Between the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price."
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thrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.
it's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.",
">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up."
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This is misinformation.
No offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify.
thrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people
Those clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption.
They registered charities & "clothing poor people" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS.
"Vintage" and "Second Hand" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them.
their business model is
RETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon.
it's not a church. it's not a food bank.
The Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church.
The United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.",
">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.",
">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it."
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As a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.",
">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.",
">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.",
">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store."
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Thank you for your good work. I love thrifting.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.",
">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.",
">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.",
">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.",
">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization."
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The money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit
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[
"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.",
">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.",
">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.",
">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.",
">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.",
">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting."
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Not all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later.
And you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.",
">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.",
">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.",
">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.",
">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.",
">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.",
">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit"
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thrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.",
">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.",
">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.",
">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.",
">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.",
">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.",
">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit",
">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it."
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And pay people enough to want to work there.
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[
"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.",
">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.",
">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.",
">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.",
">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.",
">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.",
">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit",
">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.",
">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know"
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You say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).
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"You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.",
">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.",
">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone",
">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.",
">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.",
">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.",
">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.",
">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity",
">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.",
">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?",
">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.",
">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.",
">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.",
">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.",
">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.",
">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.",
">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?",
">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.",
">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff",
">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.",
">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.",
">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.",
">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.",
">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.",
">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.",
">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit",
">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.",
">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know",
">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there."
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