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if you are already using saltstack just use that.
2017-08-21T16:57:35.000419
Johana
pythondev_help_Johana_2017-08-21T16:57:35.000419
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pythondev
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yea. that was my thought. i was just trying to think if there was any other methods i should consider or make an example for.
2017-08-21T16:58:16.000144
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-08-21T16:58:16.000144
1,503,334,696.000144
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pythondev
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yea, onboarding is always one of those “stop and see how to do this better” things.
2017-08-21T16:59:28.000508
Johana
pythondev_help_Johana_2017-08-21T16:59:28.000508
1,503,334,768.000508
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pythondev
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im wondering if i should even make an example for that. since i dont think its something we will be using anyways.
2017-08-21T16:59:44.000338
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-08-21T16:59:44.000338
1,503,334,784.000338
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pythondev
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our onboarding setup is already pretty good. vagrant and opendns to provide accecss to staging servers.
2017-08-21T17:00:31.000001
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-08-21T17:00:31.000001
1,503,334,831.000001
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pythondev
help
Whenever I run `pytest say_hello.py` it says `no tests ran in 0.00 seconds`
2017-08-21T21:13:12.000105
Alba
pythondev_help_Alba_2017-08-21T21:13:12.000105
1,503,349,992.000105
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pythondev
help
<https://docs.pytest.org/en/latest/goodpractices.html#test-discovery>
2017-08-21T21:16:34.000011
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-21T21:16:34.000011
1,503,350,194.000011
90,409
pythondev
help
Pytest can't find your test function
2017-08-21T21:16:54.000145
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-21T21:16:54.000145
1,503,350,214.000145
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pythondev
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So the file has to start with `test_` and be in a directory?
2017-08-21T21:18:01.000237
Alba
pythondev_help_Alba_2017-08-21T21:18:01.000237
1,503,350,281.000237
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pythondev
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Your assert is just run on first import of the file
2017-08-21T21:18:47.000086
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-21T21:18:47.000086
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pythondev
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So yes
2017-08-21T21:18:52.000016
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-21T21:18:52.000016
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pythondev
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it still can't find it :disappointed:
2017-08-21T21:21:58.000007
Alba
pythondev_help_Alba_2017-08-21T21:21:58.000007
1,503,350,518.000007
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pythondev
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<@Alba> please show your directory structure and how you run the command
2017-08-21T21:24:31.000240
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-21T21:24:31.000240
1,503,350,671.00024
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pythondev
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Maybe this quick post will help with the command <https://pyslackers.com/blog/testing-a-python-library-with-pytest/>
2017-08-21T21:25:22.000144
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-21T21:25:22.000144
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pythondev
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Practice/ -__init__.py -test_say_hello.py inside Practice i'm running `pytest`, outside Practice I run `pytest Practice`
2017-08-21T21:27:30.000013
Alba
pythondev_help_Alba_2017-08-21T21:27:30.000013
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pythondev
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Did you look at the post? You shouldn't have the test files in the same dir, and be sure to `import Practice`, then run `python -m pytest` from the parent dir
2017-08-21T21:34:23.000114
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-21T21:34:23.000114
1,503,351,263.000114
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pythondev
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Thanks you, I ended up separating the files. Practice / -__init__.py -say_hello.py -test_hello.py then inside `test_hello.py` i did `from say_hello import say_hello`
2017-08-21T21:40:36.000181
Alba
pythondev_help_Alba_2017-08-21T21:40:36.000181
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pythondev
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anybody on?
2017-08-21T23:15:23.000159
Ocie
pythondev_help_Ocie_2017-08-21T23:15:23.000159
1,503,357,323.000159
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pythondev
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<@Ocie> numbers come and go throughout the day, just ask your question and people will generally respond when they can
2017-08-21T23:16:33.000018
Marcie
pythondev_help_Marcie_2017-08-21T23:16:33.000018
1,503,357,393.000018
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pythondev
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<@Ocie> lots of people. Just ask your question
2017-08-21T23:16:44.000058
Collette
pythondev_help_Collette_2017-08-21T23:16:44.000058
1,503,357,404.000058
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pythondev
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i want to set up a validator that is UniqueTogether and contains a FK
2017-08-21T23:17:36.000120
Ocie
pythondev_help_Ocie_2017-08-21T23:17:36.000120
1,503,357,456.00012
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pythondev
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have you guys done that?
2017-08-21T23:17:47.000050
Ocie
pythondev_help_Ocie_2017-08-21T23:17:47.000050
1,503,357,467.00005
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pythondev
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i want to validate NetworkRouteSerializer considering origin, destiny and the LogisticsNetwork FK
2017-08-21T23:19:54.000038
Ocie
pythondev_help_Ocie_2017-08-21T23:19:54.000038
1,503,357,594.000038
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pythondev
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<@Ocie> generally it's best to ask in the targeted channel if it's not general Python questions. Please use the share feature to post in <#C0LMFRMB5|django> (hover over your message and click the little arrow on the right that looks like a reply or forward button in an email client)
2017-08-21T23:30:12.000017
Beula
pythondev_help_Beula_2017-08-21T23:30:12.000017
1,503,358,212.000017
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pythondev
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Hi Guys, I have a question on a data science problem I am working on. This the right place to ask ?
2017-08-21T23:53:24.000184
Star
pythondev_help_Star_2017-08-21T23:53:24.000184
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pythondev
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yea theres also <#C0JB9ATQV|data_science>
2017-08-21T23:53:53.000019
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-08-21T23:53:53.000019
1,503,359,633.000019
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pythondev
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so i would try there first
2017-08-21T23:54:00.000127
Bruno
pythondev_help_Bruno_2017-08-21T23:54:00.000127
1,503,359,640.000127
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pythondev
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Oh. Thank you. Would join there.
2017-08-21T23:54:13.000057
Star
pythondev_help_Star_2017-08-21T23:54:13.000057
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Hi, everyone. I am very new in python world. What's the difference between `python -m pip install pymongo` and `pip install pymongo` ?
2017-08-22T05:04:22.000414
Kelli
pythondev_help_Kelli_2017-08-22T05:04:22.000414
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pythondev
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I think they are the same thing. `pip` just calls `python -m pip`
2017-08-22T05:06:13.000189
Misty
pythondev_help_Misty_2017-08-22T05:06:13.000189
1,503,378,373.000189
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pythondev
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<https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25749621/whats-the-difference-between-pip-install-and-python-m-pip-install>
2017-08-22T05:06:45.000425
Misty
pythondev_help_Misty_2017-08-22T05:06:45.000425
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pythondev
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That's not strictly true, but ~often~ in most cases they're interchangeable
2017-08-22T05:07:17.000311
Collette
pythondev_help_Collette_2017-08-22T05:07:17.000311
1,503,378,437.000311
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pythondev
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You should use `python&lt;version&gt; -m pip` when in doubt which python will be used to invoke `pip` executable
2017-08-22T05:08:22.000196
Collette
pythondev_help_Collette_2017-08-22T05:08:22.000196
1,503,378,502.000196
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pythondev
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Depending on how you installed Python and Pip, you'll usually have a `pipX.Y` binary in your `$PATH` too
2017-08-22T05:09:08.000041
Rufus
pythondev_help_Rufus_2017-08-22T05:09:08.000041
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pythondev
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and use a virtualenv for your project to not cluter the system python
2017-08-22T05:09:19.000196
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-22T05:09:19.000196
1,503,378,559.000196
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pythondev
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thanks a lot guys, I am reading it. And yes, I am using virtualenv in my project. :stuck_out_tongue:
2017-08-22T05:16:00.000238
Kelli
pythondev_help_Kelli_2017-08-22T05:16:00.000238
1,503,378,960.000238
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pythondev
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this would belong in <#C0LMFRMB5|django>
2017-08-22T09:38:06.000223
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T09:38:06.000223
1,503,394,686.000223
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pythondev
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Whoops, sorry! Gonna delete and repost there
2017-08-22T09:38:35.000412
Adrian
pythondev_help_Adrian_2017-08-22T09:38:35.000412
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pythondev
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Hi guys I am new around here, have a question what do you recommend continue with Python from beginner to intermediate level, or experience my next programming language on my list (Java or Javascript)?
2017-08-22T09:58:50.000693
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T09:58:50.000693
1,503,395,930.000693
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pythondev
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depends what your end goal is.
2017-08-22T09:59:08.000031
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-08-22T09:59:08.000031
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pythondev
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becoming a developer, still dont know what area or direction?
2017-08-22T10:20:06.000342
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:20:06.000342
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I'd advise looking into that aspect. Because it will help you decide
2017-08-22T10:20:43.000261
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-08-22T10:20:43.000261
1,503,397,243.000261
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pythondev
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I want to go for data science or ML vs web applications
2017-08-22T10:23:49.000772
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:23:49.000772
1,503,397,429.000772
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pythondev
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so, ML and data science is heavily python now
2017-08-22T10:25:12.000796
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:25:12.000796
1,503,397,512.000796
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pythondev
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some java in those fields
2017-08-22T10:25:22.000157
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:25:22.000157
1,503,397,522.000157
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pythondev
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but, languages are just tools
2017-08-22T10:25:42.000446
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:25:42.000446
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Haha, language is such a tool!
2017-08-22T10:26:06.000305
Thomasina
pythondev_help_Thomasina_2017-08-22T10:26:06.000305
1,503,397,566.000305
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pythondev
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pick which one has the best applications to your task at hand, and balance with community participation and library support
2017-08-22T10:26:08.000316
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:26:08.000316
1,503,397,568.000316
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pythondev
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If you like data science and ML then maybe stick with Python and look at playing with `scikit-learn` for a bit
2017-08-22T10:26:24.000138
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-08-22T10:26:24.000138
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pythondev
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I already started 2 data science courses, but is so hard to focus on them, cause there are so many other sources for this, duno still try to focus on something and finish it, I think is a kind of trap these days with so many free access to knowledge still I happy for this though
2017-08-22T10:28:40.000541
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:28:40.000541
1,503,397,720.000541
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yeah
2017-08-22T10:28:54.000674
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:28:54.000674
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pythondev
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yeah, pick one, finish it, then do another one
2017-08-22T10:28:56.000552
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-08-22T10:28:56.000552
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one of the difficulties is figuring what to focus on
2017-08-22T10:29:04.000649
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:29:04.000649
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and sometimes its like reading a topic at wikipedia
2017-08-22T10:29:14.000562
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:29:14.000562
1,503,397,754.000562
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pythondev
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you're on one particular article, with a link to something esle
2017-08-22T10:29:24.000138
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:29:24.000138
1,503,397,764.000138
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pythondev
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believe me I am all over the place right now, accessing a lot of info
2017-08-22T10:29:38.000460
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:29:38.000460
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and then somehow you find yourself reading about a coast guard rescue in the 50s :=D
2017-08-22T10:29:56.000366
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:29:56.000366
1,503,397,796.000366
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wikipedia rabbit hole
2017-08-22T10:30:08.000259
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:30:08.000259
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I was the other day on quora, started with python ended in what killed the dinosaurs
2017-08-22T10:30:55.000617
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:30:55.000617
1,503,397,855.000617
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pythondev
help
:slightly_smiling_face:
2017-08-22T10:30:58.000030
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:30:58.000030
1,503,397,858.00003
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pythondev
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:smile:
2017-08-22T10:31:49.000750
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:31:49.000750
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What about YouTube? It's like quicksand
2017-08-22T10:39:59.000446
Thomasina
pythondev_help_Thomasina_2017-08-22T10:39:59.000446
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pythondev
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it's rought and get everywhere ?
2017-08-22T10:40:16.000387
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-22T10:40:16.000387
1,503,398,416.000387
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I don't go there much, since I don't get much out of those videos without good captions
2017-08-22T10:41:31.000306
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:41:31.000306
1,503,398,491.000306
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pythondev
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guys anyone of you did some kind or pair programming or found a mentor that helped you?
2017-08-22T10:42:14.000060
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:42:14.000060
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not really
2017-08-22T10:42:26.000318
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:42:26.000318
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there were a couple seniors that I leaned on when i was a junior
2017-08-22T10:42:49.000321
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:42:49.000321
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but code reviews and quality feedback are essential, I feel
2017-08-22T10:43:03.000745
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:43:03.000745
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as long as the critiques are fair and balanced, and you don't take them personally
2017-08-22T10:43:28.000081
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:43:28.000081
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still trying to decide to go for a conversion program from business (my major) to ICT vs bootcamp vs continuing self study
2017-08-22T10:45:38.000289
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:45:38.000289
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of course I want to get into programming to get a job and enjoy
2017-08-22T10:46:29.000606
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:46:29.000606
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I was self-taught for several years, then went to university. I think the idea of an individual mentor is a bit of a luxury, but getting feedback via forums, Slack, Stack Overflow etc, is a good alternative
2017-08-22T10:47:16.000064
Gabriele
pythondev_help_Gabriele_2017-08-22T10:47:16.000064
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also, groups like this are invaluable
2017-08-22T10:47:29.000042
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:47:29.000042
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as long as you find a good one, and learn how to properly ask a question
2017-08-22T10:47:39.000621
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:47:39.000621
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:slightly_smiling_face: I discovered slack and ICT groups 2 days ago, pretty new around here
2017-08-22T10:48:35.000179
Wynona
pythondev_help_Wynona_2017-08-22T10:48:35.000179
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Sorry? You mean YouTube videos without captions? (Not sure if you were talking to me) <@Meg>
2017-08-22T10:50:50.000147
Thomasina
pythondev_help_Thomasina_2017-08-22T10:50:50.000147
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<@Thomasina>, not you specifically
2017-08-22T10:51:39.000634
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:51:39.000634
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more like relating my experience with youtube as quicksand :smile:
2017-08-22T10:51:51.000243
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:51:51.000243
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Oh, I see. However might I ask what you mean by "captions"? Just curious.
2017-08-22T10:52:41.000257
Thomasina
pythondev_help_Thomasina_2017-08-22T10:52:41.000257
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closed captioning, subtitles
2017-08-22T10:52:53.000278
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:52:53.000278
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I'm deaf and wear hearing aids
2017-08-22T10:53:00.000070
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:53:00.000070
1,503,399,180.00007
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so, while I can hear just about everything in my hearing range (have pretty significant high frequency loss), there's a large gulf between _hearing_ and _understanding_
2017-08-22T10:53:28.000686
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:53:28.000686
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so, I use lip reading alot to understand speech
2017-08-22T10:53:38.000440
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:53:38.000440
1,503,399,218.00044
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Oh, wow! I had no idea! Well, that makes perfect sense then.
2017-08-22T10:53:39.000031
Thomasina
pythondev_help_Thomasina_2017-08-22T10:53:39.000031
1,503,399,219.000031
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pythondev
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Are the YouTube auto-captions still :poop: ?
2017-08-22T10:54:00.000242
Thomasina
pythondev_help_Thomasina_2017-08-22T10:54:00.000242
1,503,399,240.000242
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so, for me... if we were talking face to face in English, I wouldn't have any trouble conversing with you. but if you were to rotate so your back was to me, you'd go from speaking English to Russian.. and I don't speak Russian
2017-08-22T10:54:28.000152
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:54:28.000152
1,503,399,268.000152
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lip reading helps me to put values to a series of sounds of speech to understand
2017-08-22T10:54:53.000639
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:54:53.000639
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and autocaptions have come a long way, and the ones for conference presentations are very good
2017-08-22T10:55:16.000051
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:55:16.000051
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yes
2017-08-22T10:55:31.000216
Ciera
pythondev_help_Ciera_2017-08-22T10:55:31.000216
1,503,399,331.000216
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but there's a big difference in that quality and what you see in movies, TV and live programs
2017-08-22T10:55:42.000118
Meg
pythondev_help_Meg_2017-08-22T10:55:42.000118
1,503,399,342.000118
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and that's mainly due to quality of the audio, as well as placement of the microphone
2017-08-22T10:55:59.000254
Meg
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with speech, the closer the microphone, the better.
2017-08-22T10:56:33.000079
Meg
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Oh, yes. Actually I have a lot of interest in developing accessibility-related products (primarily for their function and not so much for profit). It's good to hear that - at least for some videos - auto-captioning has gone from laughable to actually helpful. There are so many ways that technology can be used to aid those with various circumstances and conditions, and even those I _think_ it has improved somewhat, I feel like the entire field could use a lot more attention and work.
2017-08-22T11:01:42.000167
Thomasina
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there actually is alot of work going on now
2017-08-22T11:02:30.000580
Meg
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in fact, microsoft research has shown that their auto transcription error rate is lower than that of professional transcriptionists
2017-08-22T11:02:56.000425
Meg
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<https://qz.com/812317/microsoft-msft-claims-its-speech-transcription-ai-is-now-better-than-human-professionals/>
2017-08-22T11:03:14.000002
Meg
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but again, the primary differentator is quality of the audio combined with background noise
2017-08-22T11:03:35.000306
Meg
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Niiice! Well, glad to hear there are some significant advances being made then. While (as far as I know) my hearing is alright, even I would appreciate automatic, perfect transcriptions. Actually I often use subtitles with educational material even if the speaking in the video is good, as I find it helps me to fully comprehend what's being said.
2017-08-22T11:13:24.000533
Thomasina
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i like subtitles for the comprehension too. i feel like i understand better.
2017-08-22T11:18:30.000332
Johana
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same here.. I acutually did a project in undergrad using dragon naturally speaking in transcribing college lectures
2017-08-22T11:18:50.000430
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