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How do you stay consistent and build discipline? I hope this is the right place for this question! I’ve attempted Draw A Box a few times and always have trouble staying consistent. I can go for a good period of time but often end up falling off at some point, only to pick it up again after time has passed. I’ve been more consistent in learning other skills (writing/3D modeling) but drawing feels so touch and go. I aim to be a creature of habit and not motivation What has helped you all remain disciplined and keep working at it?
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ij8d8fv
| 1,659,849,050 | 1,659,820,108 | 19 | 8 |
I started to make a webtoon about 4 months ago, I absolutely DO NOT allow myself to check how many people visited or subscribed to me till I update a new chapter. It gives me the motivation to finish my chapter so I can check if i received any love! (Not gotten much so far but a girl can dream :D ) I'm just like you, absolutely motivated one seconded and then it's gone the next second. But so far this trick has been working for me :)
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I find that finding the pleasure-able aspect in something helps me. My brain only ever thinks about the short-term satisfaction, haha xD It's good though, it keeps me coming back: Drawabox helps me relax and find some time for myself in the day. Maybe this is not the case for you, maybe you enjoy seeing how you progress with each box or love challenging yourself. Anyway, hope this helps a little, I wish you success with the challenge :)
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pkk51t
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artfundamentals_train
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Am I supposed to do something in between lessons? I just finished the ghosted planes, and moving on to the elipses exercise. Am I supposed to draw stuff on my own? I've never drawn in my life and am kind of lost. Is it ok to just work through the exercises?
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hc4qiib
| 1,631,151,915 | 1,631,151,028 | 29 | 9 |
You should be trying to draw for fun, for yourself half the time. https://drawabox.com/lesson/0/2/50percent "at least half of the time you spend drawing must be devoted to drawing purely for its own sake. Not to learn, not to improve, not to develop your skills, not even to apply what you've already learned"
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There's definitely no wrong way to doodle, make shapes, and work with the techniques you're learning. Sometimes ya just gotta be a little clumsy before it feels natural to have an idea of what you wanna see and put on paper.
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pkk51t
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artfundamentals_train
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Am I supposed to do something in between lessons? I just finished the ghosted planes, and moving on to the elipses exercise. Am I supposed to draw stuff on my own? I've never drawn in my life and am kind of lost. Is it ok to just work through the exercises?
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hc4sc7d
| 1,631,151,281 | 1,631,151,915 | 9 | 29 |
Kinda, I think it was suggested to do some personal drawing or take a break before jumping back in to the lessons. You’ll burn yourself out quite quickly if you’re only doing the lessons.
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You should be trying to draw for fun, for yourself half the time. https://drawabox.com/lesson/0/2/50percent "at least half of the time you spend drawing must be devoted to drawing purely for its own sake. Not to learn, not to improve, not to develop your skills, not even to apply what you've already learned"
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pkk51t
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Am I supposed to do something in between lessons? I just finished the ghosted planes, and moving on to the elipses exercise. Am I supposed to draw stuff on my own? I've never drawn in my life and am kind of lost. Is it ok to just work through the exercises?
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hc6oao2
| 1,631,210,098 | 1,631,197,796 | 7 | -10 |
I would compare it with learning a language: you may learn all grammar tables by heart, but to actually improve you need to practice "in the wild", ideally from the very beginning. I also think, it is better to apply 50% rule not "in between" the lessons, as the lessons are huge, but chopping the lessons into smaller parts. For me it is comfortable to alternate on a daily basis. One evening I spend a hour with exercises, the next one with my own drawings, etc.
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Skip this course altogether. Why are you doing it? There has to be some end goal in mind. I can guarantee drawing boxes and having a half baked idea of perspective won’t help you in your end goal. Just my two cents, there’s better courses out there for beginners.
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pkk51t
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artfundamentals_train
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Am I supposed to do something in between lessons? I just finished the ghosted planes, and moving on to the elipses exercise. Am I supposed to draw stuff on my own? I've never drawn in my life and am kind of lost. Is it ok to just work through the exercises?
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hc7yw9e
| 1,631,197,796 | 1,631,217,199 | -10 | 6 |
Skip this course altogether. Why are you doing it? There has to be some end goal in mind. I can guarantee drawing boxes and having a half baked idea of perspective won’t help you in your end goal. Just my two cents, there’s better courses out there for beginners.
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Yes. Draw. It's not like you stop doing anything physical after joining the gym.
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
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How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcx3ul
| 1,594,217,375 | 1,594,244,971 | 26 | 37 |
If you're going to be leaning on drawing skills a fair bit, then this might actually not be a bad idea. It depends on the school/program you're intending to attend however, simply because some schools focus a lot on technical drawing skills and some glaze over it instead choosing to focus on the choices one makes, rather than how one executes them. A lot of students tend to have a rude awakening that they're attending the latter (especially at universities). Developing some semblance of foundational skills, knowing how to execute the marks you want, knowing how to capture the illusion of form and solidity - all of these would put you at a definite advantage, especially if the school doesn't bother to teach that stuff (or doesn't put much energy into it).
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I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
| 0 | 27,596 | 1.423077 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcx3ul
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fxc1882
| 1,594,244,971 | 1,594,229,892 | 37 | 21 |
I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
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Most people who enter art schools range from bad artists to mediocre artists. Sure you'll have your stand out kids who studied really hard, but most people are not that good when they enter. Art School is designed to help you become a good artist, your fundamentals do not have to be mastered when you go in. Your first year will usually be dedicated to fundamentals. What they will want from a portfolio is evidence that you're interested in being a creative person, and evidence that you working your art towards the field you're interested in. With that being said if you have the chance to take a year off and practice fundamentals to get really good it definitely will help when you enter art school. I been through an art program at Laguna College of Art and Design and I can honestly say it was one of the best experiences I ever had. On top of the skill level up after four years of a brutal workload, I also made great friends and connections in the game industry who helped me get a Concept Art job right out of college.
| 1 | 15,079 | 1.761905 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcx3ul
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fxcipce
| 1,594,244,971 | 1,594,238,056 | 37 | 21 |
I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
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The big thing I'm learning with myself is that it is a huge advantage to not be afraid of failing. It will take you a long time to learn the basics at home, but you will be doing it in private and so you will not get criticized on your progress... But, if you embrace the fear of failure, and you just go into the program, you will be injected with the fundamentals before you even know it, and if you're struggling with anything, someone will come up to you and hold your hand until you figure it out... or, if someone doesn't come up to you, you're surrounded by people, all you have to do is ask! Now, my whole life I've always been the type of person that would want to perfect my skills before going out and entering the world... But perfection is an evil lie, and failure is of the key to progress, so don't criticize yourself if you can help it! If you're more comfortable building up your skills before you go, that's all okay! But, if you want to improve much quicker, you will have to face your fears and go to school and put out disappointing work assignment after assignment until you slowly figure it out!
| 1 | 6,915 | 1.761905 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxbg69u
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fxcx3ul
| 1,594,219,865 | 1,594,244,971 | 11 | 37 |
I think it depends a great deal on where you are in your education and the level of commitment required once you apply for the degree. If you have the opportunity to take some of the fundamental required courses without being in the degree program, and you still have general courses for you to take. I think it can be a good idea to take those more basic classes while you work hard on developing more of your fundamentals. However, if it is deciding time now, and you would be putting yourself behind or pushing yourself out of your current education habits to try and improve, I would recommend against waiting. You can work on your fundamentals while still working on your course curriculum. You will probably be working on your fundamentals for the rest of your life if you pursue this career path. So, the idea of waiting a year for you to learn more fundamentals also means you lose a year of developing the new skills you will be learning in your degree.
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I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcx3ul
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fxcghc5
| 1,594,244,971 | 1,594,237,001 | 37 | 9 |
I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
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There's nothing wrong with the idea, just know that: 1. You don't have to. You can just go to art school and pick up the basics as you go along. 2. If you have trouble motivating yourself it might be a bad idea.
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxbrhk8
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fxcx3ul
| 1,594,225,366 | 1,594,244,971 | 9 | 37 |
Proko/Marshall have a series of podcasts that go into detail on this very thing! (Draftsman show on youtube)
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I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
| 0 | 19,605 | 4.111111 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc2lxe
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fxcx3ul
| 1,594,230,532 | 1,594,244,971 | 8 | 37 |
Fundamentals were part of my design degree, I spent the first year in uni learning traditional art and design before we got to the digital visual design stuff. I had learned the fundamentals in highschool but we had plenty of people who haven't learned anything so it was good for them and good for me to work on further solidifying those.
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I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
| 0 | 14,439 | 4.625 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc0nyg
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fxcx3ul
| 1,594,229,631 | 1,594,244,971 | 6 | 37 |
dont grind man, just jump into the degree, they will push you into new challenges and you will have to overcome them, thats the fastest way to learn edit: you may get free resources on internet but you will be missing a proper environment, a community with similar goals and mentorship, who will make you fix stuff quicker. Just keep your goals in mind
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I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
| 0 | 15,340 | 6.166667 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcx3ul
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fxc9fqa
| 1,594,244,971 | 1,594,233,692 | 37 | 6 |
I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
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Not a bad idea. In the grand scheme of things a year isn't much. Rather than grinding through fundamentals under the stress of art school and deadlines it might be better to approach it with at some serious work under your belt. Be brutally honest about your skill level. Your portfolio is everything and if it doesn't meet their standards you won't get in (although art schools are having to regroup). Thereafter you will only get out of art school what you put into it. No art school can make you into an artist ... lone commitment to your work will.
| 1 | 11,279 | 6.166667 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcx3ul
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fxbyqnh
| 1,594,244,971 | 1,594,228,746 | 37 | 6 |
I actually disagree with most of the people here. I went to a design school and I don't think it was worth it, even with a scholarship. But here's the thing--the school's top 3 fields ARE excellent, but my major was new and the curriculum/teachers were all over the place. If you're in doubt, DO MORE RESEARCH! DO NOT just jump into $100k+ debt. You absolutely should do a period of low cost study before dedicating to school. I'm actually doing something similar right now in quarantine downtime, where I did a Adobe Illustrator trial and month subscription to learn vector illustration, to see if I like it. So far...eh? But I've only spent $30 instead of $40k for a semester.
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Not a terrible idea, also depends if the school will teach you fundementals or not
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxbg69u
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fxc1882
| 1,594,219,865 | 1,594,229,892 | 11 | 21 |
I think it depends a great deal on where you are in your education and the level of commitment required once you apply for the degree. If you have the opportunity to take some of the fundamental required courses without being in the degree program, and you still have general courses for you to take. I think it can be a good idea to take those more basic classes while you work hard on developing more of your fundamentals. However, if it is deciding time now, and you would be putting yourself behind or pushing yourself out of your current education habits to try and improve, I would recommend against waiting. You can work on your fundamentals while still working on your course curriculum. You will probably be working on your fundamentals for the rest of your life if you pursue this career path. So, the idea of waiting a year for you to learn more fundamentals also means you lose a year of developing the new skills you will be learning in your degree.
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Most people who enter art schools range from bad artists to mediocre artists. Sure you'll have your stand out kids who studied really hard, but most people are not that good when they enter. Art School is designed to help you become a good artist, your fundamentals do not have to be mastered when you go in. Your first year will usually be dedicated to fundamentals. What they will want from a portfolio is evidence that you're interested in being a creative person, and evidence that you working your art towards the field you're interested in. With that being said if you have the chance to take a year off and practice fundamentals to get really good it definitely will help when you enter art school. I been through an art program at Laguna College of Art and Design and I can honestly say it was one of the best experiences I ever had. On top of the skill level up after four years of a brutal workload, I also made great friends and connections in the game industry who helped me get a Concept Art job right out of college.
| 0 | 10,027 | 1.909091 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc1882
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fxbrhk8
| 1,594,229,892 | 1,594,225,366 | 21 | 9 |
Most people who enter art schools range from bad artists to mediocre artists. Sure you'll have your stand out kids who studied really hard, but most people are not that good when they enter. Art School is designed to help you become a good artist, your fundamentals do not have to be mastered when you go in. Your first year will usually be dedicated to fundamentals. What they will want from a portfolio is evidence that you're interested in being a creative person, and evidence that you working your art towards the field you're interested in. With that being said if you have the chance to take a year off and practice fundamentals to get really good it definitely will help when you enter art school. I been through an art program at Laguna College of Art and Design and I can honestly say it was one of the best experiences I ever had. On top of the skill level up after four years of a brutal workload, I also made great friends and connections in the game industry who helped me get a Concept Art job right out of college.
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Proko/Marshall have a series of podcasts that go into detail on this very thing! (Draftsman show on youtube)
| 1 | 4,526 | 2.333333 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc0nyg
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fxc1882
| 1,594,229,631 | 1,594,229,892 | 6 | 21 |
dont grind man, just jump into the degree, they will push you into new challenges and you will have to overcome them, thats the fastest way to learn edit: you may get free resources on internet but you will be missing a proper environment, a community with similar goals and mentorship, who will make you fix stuff quicker. Just keep your goals in mind
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Most people who enter art schools range from bad artists to mediocre artists. Sure you'll have your stand out kids who studied really hard, but most people are not that good when they enter. Art School is designed to help you become a good artist, your fundamentals do not have to be mastered when you go in. Your first year will usually be dedicated to fundamentals. What they will want from a portfolio is evidence that you're interested in being a creative person, and evidence that you working your art towards the field you're interested in. With that being said if you have the chance to take a year off and practice fundamentals to get really good it definitely will help when you enter art school. I been through an art program at Laguna College of Art and Design and I can honestly say it was one of the best experiences I ever had. On top of the skill level up after four years of a brutal workload, I also made great friends and connections in the game industry who helped me get a Concept Art job right out of college.
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hneo44
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How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc1882
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fxbyqnh
| 1,594,229,892 | 1,594,228,746 | 21 | 6 |
Most people who enter art schools range from bad artists to mediocre artists. Sure you'll have your stand out kids who studied really hard, but most people are not that good when they enter. Art School is designed to help you become a good artist, your fundamentals do not have to be mastered when you go in. Your first year will usually be dedicated to fundamentals. What they will want from a portfolio is evidence that you're interested in being a creative person, and evidence that you working your art towards the field you're interested in. With that being said if you have the chance to take a year off and practice fundamentals to get really good it definitely will help when you enter art school. I been through an art program at Laguna College of Art and Design and I can honestly say it was one of the best experiences I ever had. On top of the skill level up after four years of a brutal workload, I also made great friends and connections in the game industry who helped me get a Concept Art job right out of college.
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Not a terrible idea, also depends if the school will teach you fundementals or not
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
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How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxbg69u
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fxcipce
| 1,594,219,865 | 1,594,238,056 | 11 | 21 |
I think it depends a great deal on where you are in your education and the level of commitment required once you apply for the degree. If you have the opportunity to take some of the fundamental required courses without being in the degree program, and you still have general courses for you to take. I think it can be a good idea to take those more basic classes while you work hard on developing more of your fundamentals. However, if it is deciding time now, and you would be putting yourself behind or pushing yourself out of your current education habits to try and improve, I would recommend against waiting. You can work on your fundamentals while still working on your course curriculum. You will probably be working on your fundamentals for the rest of your life if you pursue this career path. So, the idea of waiting a year for you to learn more fundamentals also means you lose a year of developing the new skills you will be learning in your degree.
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The big thing I'm learning with myself is that it is a huge advantage to not be afraid of failing. It will take you a long time to learn the basics at home, but you will be doing it in private and so you will not get criticized on your progress... But, if you embrace the fear of failure, and you just go into the program, you will be injected with the fundamentals before you even know it, and if you're struggling with anything, someone will come up to you and hold your hand until you figure it out... or, if someone doesn't come up to you, you're surrounded by people, all you have to do is ask! Now, my whole life I've always been the type of person that would want to perfect my skills before going out and entering the world... But perfection is an evil lie, and failure is of the key to progress, so don't criticize yourself if you can help it! If you're more comfortable building up your skills before you go, that's all okay! But, if you want to improve much quicker, you will have to face your fears and go to school and put out disappointing work assignment after assignment until you slowly figure it out!
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
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How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcghc5
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fxcipce
| 1,594,237,001 | 1,594,238,056 | 9 | 21 |
There's nothing wrong with the idea, just know that: 1. You don't have to. You can just go to art school and pick up the basics as you go along. 2. If you have trouble motivating yourself it might be a bad idea.
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The big thing I'm learning with myself is that it is a huge advantage to not be afraid of failing. It will take you a long time to learn the basics at home, but you will be doing it in private and so you will not get criticized on your progress... But, if you embrace the fear of failure, and you just go into the program, you will be injected with the fundamentals before you even know it, and if you're struggling with anything, someone will come up to you and hold your hand until you figure it out... or, if someone doesn't come up to you, you're surrounded by people, all you have to do is ask! Now, my whole life I've always been the type of person that would want to perfect my skills before going out and entering the world... But perfection is an evil lie, and failure is of the key to progress, so don't criticize yourself if you can help it! If you're more comfortable building up your skills before you go, that's all okay! But, if you want to improve much quicker, you will have to face your fears and go to school and put out disappointing work assignment after assignment until you slowly figure it out!
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
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How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcipce
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fxbrhk8
| 1,594,238,056 | 1,594,225,366 | 21 | 9 |
The big thing I'm learning with myself is that it is a huge advantage to not be afraid of failing. It will take you a long time to learn the basics at home, but you will be doing it in private and so you will not get criticized on your progress... But, if you embrace the fear of failure, and you just go into the program, you will be injected with the fundamentals before you even know it, and if you're struggling with anything, someone will come up to you and hold your hand until you figure it out... or, if someone doesn't come up to you, you're surrounded by people, all you have to do is ask! Now, my whole life I've always been the type of person that would want to perfect my skills before going out and entering the world... But perfection is an evil lie, and failure is of the key to progress, so don't criticize yourself if you can help it! If you're more comfortable building up your skills before you go, that's all okay! But, if you want to improve much quicker, you will have to face your fears and go to school and put out disappointing work assignment after assignment until you slowly figure it out!
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Proko/Marshall have a series of podcasts that go into detail on this very thing! (Draftsman show on youtube)
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
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How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc2lxe
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fxcipce
| 1,594,230,532 | 1,594,238,056 | 8 | 21 |
Fundamentals were part of my design degree, I spent the first year in uni learning traditional art and design before we got to the digital visual design stuff. I had learned the fundamentals in highschool but we had plenty of people who haven't learned anything so it was good for them and good for me to work on further solidifying those.
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The big thing I'm learning with myself is that it is a huge advantage to not be afraid of failing. It will take you a long time to learn the basics at home, but you will be doing it in private and so you will not get criticized on your progress... But, if you embrace the fear of failure, and you just go into the program, you will be injected with the fundamentals before you even know it, and if you're struggling with anything, someone will come up to you and hold your hand until you figure it out... or, if someone doesn't come up to you, you're surrounded by people, all you have to do is ask! Now, my whole life I've always been the type of person that would want to perfect my skills before going out and entering the world... But perfection is an evil lie, and failure is of the key to progress, so don't criticize yourself if you can help it! If you're more comfortable building up your skills before you go, that's all okay! But, if you want to improve much quicker, you will have to face your fears and go to school and put out disappointing work assignment after assignment until you slowly figure it out!
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
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How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc0nyg
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fxcipce
| 1,594,229,631 | 1,594,238,056 | 6 | 21 |
dont grind man, just jump into the degree, they will push you into new challenges and you will have to overcome them, thats the fastest way to learn edit: you may get free resources on internet but you will be missing a proper environment, a community with similar goals and mentorship, who will make you fix stuff quicker. Just keep your goals in mind
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The big thing I'm learning with myself is that it is a huge advantage to not be afraid of failing. It will take you a long time to learn the basics at home, but you will be doing it in private and so you will not get criticized on your progress... But, if you embrace the fear of failure, and you just go into the program, you will be injected with the fundamentals before you even know it, and if you're struggling with anything, someone will come up to you and hold your hand until you figure it out... or, if someone doesn't come up to you, you're surrounded by people, all you have to do is ask! Now, my whole life I've always been the type of person that would want to perfect my skills before going out and entering the world... But perfection is an evil lie, and failure is of the key to progress, so don't criticize yourself if you can help it! If you're more comfortable building up your skills before you go, that's all okay! But, if you want to improve much quicker, you will have to face your fears and go to school and put out disappointing work assignment after assignment until you slowly figure it out!
| 0 | 8,425 | 3.5 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcipce
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fxc9fqa
| 1,594,238,056 | 1,594,233,692 | 21 | 6 |
The big thing I'm learning with myself is that it is a huge advantage to not be afraid of failing. It will take you a long time to learn the basics at home, but you will be doing it in private and so you will not get criticized on your progress... But, if you embrace the fear of failure, and you just go into the program, you will be injected with the fundamentals before you even know it, and if you're struggling with anything, someone will come up to you and hold your hand until you figure it out... or, if someone doesn't come up to you, you're surrounded by people, all you have to do is ask! Now, my whole life I've always been the type of person that would want to perfect my skills before going out and entering the world... But perfection is an evil lie, and failure is of the key to progress, so don't criticize yourself if you can help it! If you're more comfortable building up your skills before you go, that's all okay! But, if you want to improve much quicker, you will have to face your fears and go to school and put out disappointing work assignment after assignment until you slowly figure it out!
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Not a bad idea. In the grand scheme of things a year isn't much. Rather than grinding through fundamentals under the stress of art school and deadlines it might be better to approach it with at some serious work under your belt. Be brutally honest about your skill level. Your portfolio is everything and if it doesn't meet their standards you won't get in (although art schools are having to regroup). Thereafter you will only get out of art school what you put into it. No art school can make you into an artist ... lone commitment to your work will.
| 1 | 4,364 | 3.5 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcipce
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fxbyqnh
| 1,594,238,056 | 1,594,228,746 | 21 | 6 |
The big thing I'm learning with myself is that it is a huge advantage to not be afraid of failing. It will take you a long time to learn the basics at home, but you will be doing it in private and so you will not get criticized on your progress... But, if you embrace the fear of failure, and you just go into the program, you will be injected with the fundamentals before you even know it, and if you're struggling with anything, someone will come up to you and hold your hand until you figure it out... or, if someone doesn't come up to you, you're surrounded by people, all you have to do is ask! Now, my whole life I've always been the type of person that would want to perfect my skills before going out and entering the world... But perfection is an evil lie, and failure is of the key to progress, so don't criticize yourself if you can help it! If you're more comfortable building up your skills before you go, that's all okay! But, if you want to improve much quicker, you will have to face your fears and go to school and put out disappointing work assignment after assignment until you slowly figure it out!
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Not a terrible idea, also depends if the school will teach you fundementals or not
| 1 | 9,310 | 3.5 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcghc5
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fxc2lxe
| 1,594,237,001 | 1,594,230,532 | 9 | 8 |
There's nothing wrong with the idea, just know that: 1. You don't have to. You can just go to art school and pick up the basics as you go along. 2. If you have trouble motivating yourself it might be a bad idea.
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Fundamentals were part of my design degree, I spent the first year in uni learning traditional art and design before we got to the digital visual design stuff. I had learned the fundamentals in highschool but we had plenty of people who haven't learned anything so it was good for them and good for me to work on further solidifying those.
| 1 | 6,469 | 1.125 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc0nyg
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fxcghc5
| 1,594,229,631 | 1,594,237,001 | 6 | 9 |
dont grind man, just jump into the degree, they will push you into new challenges and you will have to overcome them, thats the fastest way to learn edit: you may get free resources on internet but you will be missing a proper environment, a community with similar goals and mentorship, who will make you fix stuff quicker. Just keep your goals in mind
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There's nothing wrong with the idea, just know that: 1. You don't have to. You can just go to art school and pick up the basics as you go along. 2. If you have trouble motivating yourself it might be a bad idea.
| 0 | 7,370 | 1.5 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
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How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc9fqa
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fxcghc5
| 1,594,233,692 | 1,594,237,001 | 6 | 9 |
Not a bad idea. In the grand scheme of things a year isn't much. Rather than grinding through fundamentals under the stress of art school and deadlines it might be better to approach it with at some serious work under your belt. Be brutally honest about your skill level. Your portfolio is everything and if it doesn't meet their standards you won't get in (although art schools are having to regroup). Thereafter you will only get out of art school what you put into it. No art school can make you into an artist ... lone commitment to your work will.
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There's nothing wrong with the idea, just know that: 1. You don't have to. You can just go to art school and pick up the basics as you go along. 2. If you have trouble motivating yourself it might be a bad idea.
| 0 | 3,309 | 1.5 | ||
hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxcghc5
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fxbyqnh
| 1,594,237,001 | 1,594,228,746 | 9 | 6 |
There's nothing wrong with the idea, just know that: 1. You don't have to. You can just go to art school and pick up the basics as you go along. 2. If you have trouble motivating yourself it might be a bad idea.
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Not a terrible idea, also depends if the school will teach you fundementals or not
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.96 |
How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc2lxe
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fxc0nyg
| 1,594,230,532 | 1,594,229,631 | 8 | 6 |
Fundamentals were part of my design degree, I spent the first year in uni learning traditional art and design before we got to the digital visual design stuff. I had learned the fundamentals in highschool but we had plenty of people who haven't learned anything so it was good for them and good for me to work on further solidifying those.
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dont grind man, just jump into the degree, they will push you into new challenges and you will have to overcome them, thats the fastest way to learn edit: you may get free resources on internet but you will be missing a proper environment, a community with similar goals and mentorship, who will make you fix stuff quicker. Just keep your goals in mind
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hneo44
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artfundamentals_train
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How horrible idea is to take a year for building a solid fundamentals base before joining a design (with some illustration & animation) university degree? xd That's it, I'm thinking so hard into joining this degree, however, my level doesn't go further than fundamentals of conic perspective and really basic figure drawing :P Heard that a good amount of the people that apply for the degree tend to be pretty decent at drawing so... Maybe... I won't be able to make good use of the career contents? (Maybe its not obvious but I'm particularly interested in the illustration part :c )
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fxc2lxe
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fxbyqnh
| 1,594,230,532 | 1,594,228,746 | 8 | 6 |
Fundamentals were part of my design degree, I spent the first year in uni learning traditional art and design before we got to the digital visual design stuff. I had learned the fundamentals in highschool but we had plenty of people who haven't learned anything so it was good for them and good for me to work on further solidifying those.
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Not a terrible idea, also depends if the school will teach you fundementals or not
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vedk5l
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artfundamentals_train
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im on lesson 7 right now. Im so scared of finishing this lesson 7. how do i practice art after i finished lesson 7? :(
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icq7b71
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icq79w8
| 1,655,481,691 | 1,655,481,678 | 14 | 5 |
So a book exists called sketching the basics by Koos Eissen. A series actually. I believe uncomfortable recommended that on his website. Also doing drawabox exercises as a daily practice is a lot of help. You may want to look into further drawing education as well. Courses, classes, maybe even local meetup groups
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So a book exists called sketching the basics by Koos Eissen. A series actually. I believe uncomfortable recommended that on his website. Also doing drawabox exercises as a daily practice is a lot of help. You may want to look into further drawing education as well. Courses, classes, maybe even local meetup groups
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vedk5l
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artfundamentals_train
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im on lesson 7 right now. Im so scared of finishing this lesson 7. how do i practice art after i finished lesson 7? :(
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icqwrt9
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icq79w8
| 1,655,492,579 | 1,655,481,678 | 12 | 5 |
First, you take a break and enjoy your accomplishment. And then you sit down and take a look at your art, and decide what you'd like to improve on.
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So a book exists called sketching the basics by Koos Eissen. A series actually. I believe uncomfortable recommended that on his website. Also doing drawabox exercises as a daily practice is a lot of help. You may want to look into further drawing education as well. Courses, classes, maybe even local meetup groups
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zvkr6s
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artfundamentals_train
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Can't I just start with figure drawing? Hi, I've started doing drawabox a long long time ago and it's really great! I just got really overwhelmed. I stopped doing it 7 months ago because the lesson got way too frustrating so I stopped drawing overall for those 7 months. I started with Drawabox because Uncomfortable said that it is meant to be a starting point to not get confused in subjects like figure drawing. I did expect the Drawabox course to be a lot and frustrating at times. I continued it this time but I really couldn't enjoy it and I questioned a few times if doing this course was actually necessary. This course is filled with knowledge and I recommend it to everyone! but I'd like to ask: Do I really need to do all this before I can do other things?
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j1plq1h
| 1,672,064,106 | 1,672,051,834 | 26 | 1 |
While Drawabox is designed to help students develop the underlying skills that make learning the more advanced concepts easier, I actually do say upfront and center (specifically in this video from Lesson 0) that you should feel free to jump into whatever other topics interest you, as long as you accept that it's going to be more difficult as your spatial reasoning skills catch up. The focus simply being on not having crazy expectations and disappointing yourself by not meeting them.
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zvkr6s
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Can't I just start with figure drawing? Hi, I've started doing drawabox a long long time ago and it's really great! I just got really overwhelmed. I stopped doing it 7 months ago because the lesson got way too frustrating so I stopped drawing overall for those 7 months. I started with Drawabox because Uncomfortable said that it is meant to be a starting point to not get confused in subjects like figure drawing. I did expect the Drawabox course to be a lot and frustrating at times. I continued it this time but I really couldn't enjoy it and I questioned a few times if doing this course was actually necessary. This course is filled with knowledge and I recommend it to everyone! but I'd like to ask: Do I really need to do all this before I can do other things?
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j1plq1h
| 1,672,089,023 | 1,672,051,834 | 10 | 1 |
You don’t HAVE to learn in any particular way or order, if you want to dive straight into figure drawing I suggest https://www.lovelifedrawing.com they have a good community and YouTube channel aswell as a library of figure drawing poses for you to get started on.
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Can't I just start with figure drawing? Hi, I've started doing drawabox a long long time ago and it's really great! I just got really overwhelmed. I stopped doing it 7 months ago because the lesson got way too frustrating so I stopped drawing overall for those 7 months. I started with Drawabox because Uncomfortable said that it is meant to be a starting point to not get confused in subjects like figure drawing. I did expect the Drawabox course to be a lot and frustrating at times. I continued it this time but I really couldn't enjoy it and I questioned a few times if doing this course was actually necessary. This course is filled with knowledge and I recommend it to everyone! but I'd like to ask: Do I really need to do all this before I can do other things?
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a way I got past the frustrating part was I would have dirty pages where I would loosen up and just focus on getting a few of the boxes right otherwise you can become too careful and nervous to put down lines.
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Can't I just start with figure drawing? Hi, I've started doing drawabox a long long time ago and it's really great! I just got really overwhelmed. I stopped doing it 7 months ago because the lesson got way too frustrating so I stopped drawing overall for those 7 months. I started with Drawabox because Uncomfortable said that it is meant to be a starting point to not get confused in subjects like figure drawing. I did expect the Drawabox course to be a lot and frustrating at times. I continued it this time but I really couldn't enjoy it and I questioned a few times if doing this course was actually necessary. This course is filled with knowledge and I recommend it to everyone! but I'd like to ask: Do I really need to do all this before I can do other things?
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a way I got past the frustrating part was I would have dirty pages where I would loosen up and just focus on getting a few of the boxes right otherwise you can become too careful and nervous to put down lines.
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You don’t HAVE to learn in any particular way or order, if you want to dive straight into figure drawing I suggest https://www.lovelifedrawing.com they have a good community and YouTube channel aswell as a library of figure drawing poses for you to get started on.
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motives to start again after a year of hiatus For some personal reason, i dropped the course when i was in lesson 5. Now i want to start over again but i have seem to lose my motivations or goals ever since. I know that I wanted to at least get decent at communicating my thoughts with my drawings but at the same time I find it difficult to start picking my pens up and drawing (as in I don't know what to draw at all now).
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You can make some big bucks. I'm from Mexico so it may be different for me, since people pay me in dollars i can get about 15 dollars per comission easily. I take about one hour or two doing comissions so that's about 7$/hr. I'm making some big bank doing art. If I continue improving i may be able to do 15$/hr which is seriously a lot of money.
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Why would you start over, it's not like after all that work you forgot how to draw a box or a cylinder in a year, that's silly. Just do some refreshers and pick back up on lesson 5. For motivation there are so many cool art pages on instagram that do drawing prompts (#thepeoplespage for ex.), little contest type stuff (#drawthisinyourstyle for example), having an insta for my art motivates me at least.
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motives to start again after a year of hiatus For some personal reason, i dropped the course when i was in lesson 5. Now i want to start over again but i have seem to lose my motivations or goals ever since. I know that I wanted to at least get decent at communicating my thoughts with my drawings but at the same time I find it difficult to start picking my pens up and drawing (as in I don't know what to draw at all now).
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Don't start over. That is for sure. When I am reluctant to start something I try to pare it down to the most straightforward thing to do. Setting out to start over from the beginning would set up so many more hurdles in my mind that I would probably never start again. Start from where you left off and just work in a quick tour of prior exercises with the warmups as you go forward. The warmups should be cycling in previous exercises that you are weakest at anyway.
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Why would you start over, it's not like after all that work you forgot how to draw a box or a cylinder in a year, that's silly. Just do some refreshers and pick back up on lesson 5. For motivation there are so many cool art pages on instagram that do drawing prompts (#thepeoplespage for ex.), little contest type stuff (#drawthisinyourstyle for example), having an insta for my art motivates me at least.
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If i'm not satisfied with one or more pages of my homeword should i re-do it if i feel like it?
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ip31nnd
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Short answer: no, absolutely not. This leads to grinding. Rely on others to decide whether you should be redoing work or not, via the critique you receive upon completing the entire lesson. Long answer: this page from Lesson 0, especially the video at the top.
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If i'm not satisfied with one or more pages of my homeword should i re-do it if i feel like it?
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ip31nnd
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It’s my understanding that you can choose to use any of the previous exercises as your warm up. I try to warm up at least 10-15 minutes so I avoid the longer exercises. My line accuracy and ellipses get a lot of attention for now.
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If i'm not satisfied with one or more pages of my homeword should i re-do it if i feel like it?
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If I remember correctly, one of the videos said these first drills will be used for warmups so you will get a chance to practice them again.
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If i'm not satisfied with one or more pages of my homeword should i re-do it if i feel like it?
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ip31nnd
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Personally I would submit it because the review is supposed to help improve on why you drew something your not satisfied with. But i can understand doing it over if you think you aren't satisfied because you just didn't perform your best. I mean, it's not like your trying to impress the reviewers at drawabox
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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If you’re willing to give me your address in a private message, and I’m able to figure it out, I will ship you some of my pens I don’t use and won’t ever use. Fine liners and maybe some others that I’ve forgotten about. But, to answer your question, I don’t think it really matters. As far as I understand the largest purpose of using pen was so that you couldn’t erase and could view your mistakes in order to learn.
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Ultimately we must work within our means. While the *best* way to complete the lessons is with a fineliner, if you're limited to a ballpoint pen it is not the end of the world. It's certainly better than a pencil. You'll still gain a great deal from the lessons, assuming you focus on drawing confidently, and don't take advantage of how the ballpoint pen can make faint lines depending on how it's used. Try to make all your marks rich and clear.
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1uhx9
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I've used fineliners, ballpoint, and even pencil on these exercises (I didn't intend on submitting them). I didn't get very far in the lessons because I don't like grinding, but honestly, the fineliners were too expensive for me to use on what was essentially practice scrap that would be thrown away. I ink otherwise, and like my sakura pens. Ballpoints' one big problem is that they gather paper fibre around the pen tip. I just wiped the tip on a tissue every other pen stroke. No, it won't feel as nice but ballpoint is a good alternative if you're not turning them in to U. If you are, you'll need to follow his rules. OTOH, I switched to mechanical pencil near the end of my run, and just disciplined myself to not erase a single mark. I held to it, and got as much out of the lessons with pencil as I did with pen. The tool is intended to shape your mindset, as we're use to making a billion marks and erasing. If you go into it with that in mind, you could use any tool.
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If you’re willing to give me your address in a private message, and I’m able to figure it out, I will ship you some of my pens I don’t use and won’t ever use. Fine liners and maybe some others that I’ve forgotten about. But, to answer your question, I don’t think it really matters. As far as I understand the largest purpose of using pen was so that you couldn’t erase and could view your mistakes in order to learn.
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1uhx9
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In my country (Brazil) a fineliner costs about 4 dollars online. If you buy them in a small town the price goes up to 7 dollars. I went through this question when I started the course and decided to use gel pens (ballpoint) for the practice (lines, boxes, ...) but also to have a nicer fineliner for drawings. I do feel the difference moving from one to another, but so does my budget.
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If you’re willing to give me your address in a private message, and I’m able to figure it out, I will ship you some of my pens I don’t use and won’t ever use. Fine liners and maybe some others that I’ve forgotten about. But, to answer your question, I don’t think it really matters. As far as I understand the largest purpose of using pen was so that you couldn’t erase and could view your mistakes in order to learn.
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1uhx9
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Lots of artists use ballpoint pens exclusively. The point of using ink is you can’t erase your mark. For better experience see if you can get a cheap gel rollerball pen instead because it will glide a gross the paper easier. The “sticky” ink of the ballpoints like BIC makes it harder to “glide” across the paper as needed for smoother lines.
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If you’re willing to give me your address in a private message, and I’m able to figure it out, I will ship you some of my pens I don’t use and won’t ever use. Fine liners and maybe some others that I’ve forgotten about. But, to answer your question, I don’t think it really matters. As far as I understand the largest purpose of using pen was so that you couldn’t erase and could view your mistakes in order to learn.
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f5uj2q
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1uhx9
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You could consider buying fineliners from Ali express. I saw fineliners for 0,83 euro per piece with free shipping. Although I don't know whether the quality is acceptable, but it might be better than ballpoint pen.
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If you’re willing to give me your address in a private message, and I’m able to figure it out, I will ship you some of my pens I don’t use and won’t ever use. Fine liners and maybe some others that I’ve forgotten about. But, to answer your question, I don’t think it really matters. As far as I understand the largest purpose of using pen was so that you couldn’t erase and could view your mistakes in order to learn.
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1dmd6
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If you’re willing to give me your address in a private message, and I’m able to figure it out, I will ship you some of my pens I don’t use and won’t ever use. Fine liners and maybe some others that I’ve forgotten about. But, to answer your question, I don’t think it really matters. As far as I understand the largest purpose of using pen was so that you couldn’t erase and could view your mistakes in order to learn.
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Well, I come from a third world country too, and the pen is equivalent to 2,75 dollars, or 4 cans of coke. So far I did a bunch of doodling with it, all of lesson 1 and did 50 boxes, and looks like it'll work fine for a good while. The pen isn't expensive when you factor how long it lasts. I suggest you reconsider and buy one, it's really worth it.
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi19z5v
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If you’re willing to give me your address in a private message, and I’m able to figure it out, I will ship you some of my pens I don’t use and won’t ever use. Fine liners and maybe some others that I’ve forgotten about. But, to answer your question, I don’t think it really matters. As far as I understand the largest purpose of using pen was so that you couldn’t erase and could view your mistakes in order to learn.
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Maybe I am a huge asshole, but I just can't imagine being in a place where you can afford the stacks of paper you're going to burn through to do the lessons, but can't afford the $0.50 for a fineliner.
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1hh01
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fi1fers
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I've used fineliners, ballpoint, and even pencil on these exercises (I didn't intend on submitting them). I didn't get very far in the lessons because I don't like grinding, but honestly, the fineliners were too expensive for me to use on what was essentially practice scrap that would be thrown away. I ink otherwise, and like my sakura pens. Ballpoints' one big problem is that they gather paper fibre around the pen tip. I just wiped the tip on a tissue every other pen stroke. No, it won't feel as nice but ballpoint is a good alternative if you're not turning them in to U. If you are, you'll need to follow his rules. OTOH, I switched to mechanical pencil near the end of my run, and just disciplined myself to not erase a single mark. I held to it, and got as much out of the lessons with pencil as I did with pen. The tool is intended to shape your mindset, as we're use to making a billion marks and erasing. If you go into it with that in mind, you could use any tool.
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In my country (Brazil) a fineliner costs about 4 dollars online. If you buy them in a small town the price goes up to 7 dollars. I went through this question when I started the course and decided to use gel pens (ballpoint) for the practice (lines, boxes, ...) but also to have a nicer fineliner for drawings. I do feel the difference moving from one to another, but so does my budget.
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1dz1z
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fi1hh01
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Lots of artists use ballpoint pens exclusively. The point of using ink is you can’t erase your mark. For better experience see if you can get a cheap gel rollerball pen instead because it will glide a gross the paper easier. The “sticky” ink of the ballpoints like BIC makes it harder to “glide” across the paper as needed for smoother lines.
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I've used fineliners, ballpoint, and even pencil on these exercises (I didn't intend on submitting them). I didn't get very far in the lessons because I don't like grinding, but honestly, the fineliners were too expensive for me to use on what was essentially practice scrap that would be thrown away. I ink otherwise, and like my sakura pens. Ballpoints' one big problem is that they gather paper fibre around the pen tip. I just wiped the tip on a tissue every other pen stroke. No, it won't feel as nice but ballpoint is a good alternative if you're not turning them in to U. If you are, you'll need to follow his rules. OTOH, I switched to mechanical pencil near the end of my run, and just disciplined myself to not erase a single mark. I held to it, and got as much out of the lessons with pencil as I did with pen. The tool is intended to shape your mindset, as we're use to making a billion marks and erasing. If you go into it with that in mind, you could use any tool.
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Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1gg97
| 1,582,057,845 | 1,582,057,263 | 45 | 7 |
I've used fineliners, ballpoint, and even pencil on these exercises (I didn't intend on submitting them). I didn't get very far in the lessons because I don't like grinding, but honestly, the fineliners were too expensive for me to use on what was essentially practice scrap that would be thrown away. I ink otherwise, and like my sakura pens. Ballpoints' one big problem is that they gather paper fibre around the pen tip. I just wiped the tip on a tissue every other pen stroke. No, it won't feel as nice but ballpoint is a good alternative if you're not turning them in to U. If you are, you'll need to follow his rules. OTOH, I switched to mechanical pencil near the end of my run, and just disciplined myself to not erase a single mark. I held to it, and got as much out of the lessons with pencil as I did with pen. The tool is intended to shape your mindset, as we're use to making a billion marks and erasing. If you go into it with that in mind, you could use any tool.
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You could consider buying fineliners from Ali express. I saw fineliners for 0,83 euro per piece with free shipping. Although I don't know whether the quality is acceptable, but it might be better than ballpoint pen.
| 1 | 582 | 6.428571 | ||
f5uj2q
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1dmd6
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fi1hh01
| 1,582,055,645 | 1,582,057,845 | 4 | 45 |
Well, I come from a third world country too, and the pen is equivalent to 2,75 dollars, or 4 cans of coke. So far I did a bunch of doodling with it, all of lesson 1 and did 50 boxes, and looks like it'll work fine for a good while. The pen isn't expensive when you factor how long it lasts. I suggest you reconsider and buy one, it's really worth it.
|
I've used fineliners, ballpoint, and even pencil on these exercises (I didn't intend on submitting them). I didn't get very far in the lessons because I don't like grinding, but honestly, the fineliners were too expensive for me to use on what was essentially practice scrap that would be thrown away. I ink otherwise, and like my sakura pens. Ballpoints' one big problem is that they gather paper fibre around the pen tip. I just wiped the tip on a tissue every other pen stroke. No, it won't feel as nice but ballpoint is a good alternative if you're not turning them in to U. If you are, you'll need to follow his rules. OTOH, I switched to mechanical pencil near the end of my run, and just disciplined myself to not erase a single mark. I held to it, and got as much out of the lessons with pencil as I did with pen. The tool is intended to shape your mindset, as we're use to making a billion marks and erasing. If you go into it with that in mind, you could use any tool.
| 0 | 2,200 | 11.25 | ||
f5uj2q
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1hh01
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fi19z5v
| 1,582,057,845 | 1,582,053,580 | 45 | -48 |
I've used fineliners, ballpoint, and even pencil on these exercises (I didn't intend on submitting them). I didn't get very far in the lessons because I don't like grinding, but honestly, the fineliners were too expensive for me to use on what was essentially practice scrap that would be thrown away. I ink otherwise, and like my sakura pens. Ballpoints' one big problem is that they gather paper fibre around the pen tip. I just wiped the tip on a tissue every other pen stroke. No, it won't feel as nice but ballpoint is a good alternative if you're not turning them in to U. If you are, you'll need to follow his rules. OTOH, I switched to mechanical pencil near the end of my run, and just disciplined myself to not erase a single mark. I held to it, and got as much out of the lessons with pencil as I did with pen. The tool is intended to shape your mindset, as we're use to making a billion marks and erasing. If you go into it with that in mind, you could use any tool.
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Maybe I am a huge asshole, but I just can't imagine being in a place where you can afford the stacks of paper you're going to burn through to do the lessons, but can't afford the $0.50 for a fineliner.
| 1 | 4,265 | -0.9375 | ||
f5uj2q
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1fers
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fi33m87
| 1,582,056,670 | 1,582,099,383 | 20 | 22 |
In my country (Brazil) a fineliner costs about 4 dollars online. If you buy them in a small town the price goes up to 7 dollars. I went through this question when I started the course and decided to use gel pens (ballpoint) for the practice (lines, boxes, ...) but also to have a nicer fineliner for drawings. I do feel the difference moving from one to another, but so does my budget.
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I prefer ballpoint pen personal for my lessons. Felt tip is recommended but not necessary.
| 0 | 42,713 | 1.1 | ||
f5uj2q
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1dz1z
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fi33m87
| 1,582,055,846 | 1,582,099,383 | 18 | 22 |
Lots of artists use ballpoint pens exclusively. The point of using ink is you can’t erase your mark. For better experience see if you can get a cheap gel rollerball pen instead because it will glide a gross the paper easier. The “sticky” ink of the ballpoints like BIC makes it harder to “glide” across the paper as needed for smoother lines.
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I prefer ballpoint pen personal for my lessons. Felt tip is recommended but not necessary.
| 0 | 43,537 | 1.222222 | ||
f5uj2q
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1gg97
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fi33m87
| 1,582,057,263 | 1,582,099,383 | 7 | 22 |
You could consider buying fineliners from Ali express. I saw fineliners for 0,83 euro per piece with free shipping. Although I don't know whether the quality is acceptable, but it might be better than ballpoint pen.
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I prefer ballpoint pen personal for my lessons. Felt tip is recommended but not necessary.
| 0 | 42,120 | 3.142857 | ||
f5uj2q
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi33m87
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fi1dmd6
| 1,582,099,383 | 1,582,055,645 | 22 | 4 |
I prefer ballpoint pen personal for my lessons. Felt tip is recommended but not necessary.
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Well, I come from a third world country too, and the pen is equivalent to 2,75 dollars, or 4 cans of coke. So far I did a bunch of doodling with it, all of lesson 1 and did 50 boxes, and looks like it'll work fine for a good while. The pen isn't expensive when you factor how long it lasts. I suggest you reconsider and buy one, it's really worth it.
| 1 | 43,738 | 5.5 | ||
f5uj2q
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi33m87
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fi19z5v
| 1,582,099,383 | 1,582,053,580 | 22 | -48 |
I prefer ballpoint pen personal for my lessons. Felt tip is recommended but not necessary.
|
Maybe I am a huge asshole, but I just can't imagine being in a place where you can afford the stacks of paper you're going to burn through to do the lessons, but can't afford the $0.50 for a fineliner.
| 1 | 45,803 | -0.458333 | ||
f5uj2q
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1fers
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fi1dz1z
| 1,582,056,670 | 1,582,055,846 | 20 | 18 |
In my country (Brazil) a fineliner costs about 4 dollars online. If you buy them in a small town the price goes up to 7 dollars. I went through this question when I started the course and decided to use gel pens (ballpoint) for the practice (lines, boxes, ...) but also to have a nicer fineliner for drawings. I do feel the difference moving from one to another, but so does my budget.
|
Lots of artists use ballpoint pens exclusively. The point of using ink is you can’t erase your mark. For better experience see if you can get a cheap gel rollerball pen instead because it will glide a gross the paper easier. The “sticky” ink of the ballpoints like BIC makes it harder to “glide” across the paper as needed for smoother lines.
| 1 | 824 | 1.111111 | ||
f5uj2q
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1dmd6
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fi1fers
| 1,582,055,645 | 1,582,056,670 | 4 | 20 |
Well, I come from a third world country too, and the pen is equivalent to 2,75 dollars, or 4 cans of coke. So far I did a bunch of doodling with it, all of lesson 1 and did 50 boxes, and looks like it'll work fine for a good while. The pen isn't expensive when you factor how long it lasts. I suggest you reconsider and buy one, it's really worth it.
|
In my country (Brazil) a fineliner costs about 4 dollars online. If you buy them in a small town the price goes up to 7 dollars. I went through this question when I started the course and decided to use gel pens (ballpoint) for the practice (lines, boxes, ...) but also to have a nicer fineliner for drawings. I do feel the difference moving from one to another, but so does my budget.
| 0 | 1,025 | 5 | ||
f5uj2q
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi19z5v
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fi1fers
| 1,582,053,580 | 1,582,056,670 | -48 | 20 |
Maybe I am a huge asshole, but I just can't imagine being in a place where you can afford the stacks of paper you're going to burn through to do the lessons, but can't afford the $0.50 for a fineliner.
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In my country (Brazil) a fineliner costs about 4 dollars online. If you buy them in a small town the price goes up to 7 dollars. I went through this question when I started the course and decided to use gel pens (ballpoint) for the practice (lines, boxes, ...) but also to have a nicer fineliner for drawings. I do feel the difference moving from one to another, but so does my budget.
| 0 | 3,090 | -0.416667 | ||
f5uj2q
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1dz1z
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fi1dmd6
| 1,582,055,846 | 1,582,055,645 | 18 | 4 |
Lots of artists use ballpoint pens exclusively. The point of using ink is you can’t erase your mark. For better experience see if you can get a cheap gel rollerball pen instead because it will glide a gross the paper easier. The “sticky” ink of the ballpoints like BIC makes it harder to “glide” across the paper as needed for smoother lines.
|
Well, I come from a third world country too, and the pen is equivalent to 2,75 dollars, or 4 cans of coke. So far I did a bunch of doodling with it, all of lesson 1 and did 50 boxes, and looks like it'll work fine for a good while. The pen isn't expensive when you factor how long it lasts. I suggest you reconsider and buy one, it's really worth it.
| 1 | 201 | 4.5 | ||
f5uj2q
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1dz1z
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fi19z5v
| 1,582,055,846 | 1,582,053,580 | 18 | -48 |
Lots of artists use ballpoint pens exclusively. The point of using ink is you can’t erase your mark. For better experience see if you can get a cheap gel rollerball pen instead because it will glide a gross the paper easier. The “sticky” ink of the ballpoints like BIC makes it harder to “glide” across the paper as needed for smoother lines.
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Maybe I am a huge asshole, but I just can't imagine being in a place where you can afford the stacks of paper you're going to burn through to do the lessons, but can't afford the $0.50 for a fineliner.
| 1 | 2,266 | -0.375 | ||
f5uj2q
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1gg97
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fi1dmd6
| 1,582,057,263 | 1,582,055,645 | 7 | 4 |
You could consider buying fineliners from Ali express. I saw fineliners for 0,83 euro per piece with free shipping. Although I don't know whether the quality is acceptable, but it might be better than ballpoint pen.
|
Well, I come from a third world country too, and the pen is equivalent to 2,75 dollars, or 4 cans of coke. So far I did a bunch of doodling with it, all of lesson 1 and did 50 boxes, and looks like it'll work fine for a good while. The pen isn't expensive when you factor how long it lasts. I suggest you reconsider and buy one, it's really worth it.
| 1 | 1,618 | 1.75 | ||
f5uj2q
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi19z5v
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fi1gg97
| 1,582,053,580 | 1,582,057,263 | -48 | 7 |
Maybe I am a huge asshole, but I just can't imagine being in a place where you can afford the stacks of paper you're going to burn through to do the lessons, but can't afford the $0.50 for a fineliner.
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You could consider buying fineliners from Ali express. I saw fineliners for 0,83 euro per piece with free shipping. Although I don't know whether the quality is acceptable, but it might be better than ballpoint pen.
| 0 | 3,683 | -0.145833 | ||
f5uj2q
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.98 |
Can i finish the whole course using only ballpoint pen? basically where I came from(a third world country) an artist pen = basic meal. Right now i dont have a stable source of income that can support buying artist pen. if someone can elaborate how it will affect my mindset it will be greatly appreciated because as i see it now artist pen and ballpoint pen will punish my rashness when drawing. to give context im currently on homework 1
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fi1dmd6
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fi19z5v
| 1,582,055,645 | 1,582,053,580 | 4 | -48 |
Well, I come from a third world country too, and the pen is equivalent to 2,75 dollars, or 4 cans of coke. So far I did a bunch of doodling with it, all of lesson 1 and did 50 boxes, and looks like it'll work fine for a good while. The pen isn't expensive when you factor how long it lasts. I suggest you reconsider and buy one, it's really worth it.
|
Maybe I am a huge asshole, but I just can't imagine being in a place where you can afford the stacks of paper you're going to burn through to do the lessons, but can't afford the $0.50 for a fineliner.
| 1 | 2,065 | -0.083333 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz1j16b
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fz0k1m9
| 1,595,552,374 | 1,595,534,446 | 23 | 10 |
... if your elbow is resting on something, then you are drawing from the elbow. If your elbow is not resting on something then you are drawing from the shoulder. When drawing from the shoulder the whole arm moves as a single unit, trust yourself, you’ll do fine.
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My gut says as long as you move more with the shoulder. Give it a 80/20 ratio. I say this because i realize i try TOO hard to only rely on shoulder and imma be honest my lines just dont work past a point if i dont at the very least slightly pivot the forearm.So my guess is that you really just need to ratio it and realize it complements your stroke and doesn’t dictate it
| 1 | 17,928 | 2.3 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz1icxb
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fz1j16b
| 1,595,551,994 | 1,595,552,374 | 8 | 23 |
My tips would be to hold your pencil like this https://images.app.goo.gl/y5Bf1kTmawSgVA5J9 , and to draw big to start with. This will teach you what drawing from the shoulder feels like. It’s more of a combination shoulder/elbow, as long as you’re not using your wrist, you should be fine.
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... if your elbow is resting on something, then you are drawing from the elbow. If your elbow is not resting on something then you are drawing from the shoulder. When drawing from the shoulder the whole arm moves as a single unit, trust yourself, you’ll do fine.
| 0 | 380 | 2.875 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz0lw7y
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fz1j16b
| 1,595,535,309 | 1,595,552,374 | 7 | 23 |
I’ve found that if I’m practising or doing the exercises for some time then my shoulder does get a little tired because I’m still not used to it.
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... if your elbow is resting on something, then you are drawing from the elbow. If your elbow is not resting on something then you are drawing from the shoulder. When drawing from the shoulder the whole arm moves as a single unit, trust yourself, you’ll do fine.
| 0 | 17,065 | 3.285714 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz1j16b
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fz0t7rf
| 1,595,552,374 | 1,595,538,880 | 23 | 6 |
... if your elbow is resting on something, then you are drawing from the elbow. If your elbow is not resting on something then you are drawing from the shoulder. When drawing from the shoulder the whole arm moves as a single unit, trust yourself, you’ll do fine.
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My lines tend to curve more when I use my elbow instead of my shoulder.
| 1 | 13,494 | 3.833333 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz1gub8
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fz1j16b
| 1,595,551,140 | 1,595,552,374 | 7 | 23 |
My thoughts on this is that I don’t see why it matters so long as you get the results you were looking for
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... if your elbow is resting on something, then you are drawing from the elbow. If your elbow is not resting on something then you are drawing from the shoulder. When drawing from the shoulder the whole arm moves as a single unit, trust yourself, you’ll do fine.
| 0 | 1,234 | 3.285714 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz1j16b
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fz14cl5
| 1,595,552,374 | 1,595,544,467 | 23 | 7 |
... if your elbow is resting on something, then you are drawing from the elbow. If your elbow is not resting on something then you are drawing from the shoulder. When drawing from the shoulder the whole arm moves as a single unit, trust yourself, you’ll do fine.
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Helps to draw large. Get a pad of newsprint, 18”x24” for example.
| 1 | 7,907 | 3.285714 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz2sih8
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fz0k1m9
| 1,595,586,199 | 1,595,534,446 | 18 | 10 |
It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
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My gut says as long as you move more with the shoulder. Give it a 80/20 ratio. I say this because i realize i try TOO hard to only rely on shoulder and imma be honest my lines just dont work past a point if i dont at the very least slightly pivot the forearm.So my guess is that you really just need to ratio it and realize it complements your stroke and doesn’t dictate it
| 1 | 51,753 | 1.8 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz2sih8
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fz1icxb
| 1,595,586,199 | 1,595,551,994 | 18 | 8 |
It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
|
My tips would be to hold your pencil like this https://images.app.goo.gl/y5Bf1kTmawSgVA5J9 , and to draw big to start with. This will teach you what drawing from the shoulder feels like. It’s more of a combination shoulder/elbow, as long as you’re not using your wrist, you should be fine.
| 1 | 34,205 | 2.25 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz0lw7y
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fz2sih8
| 1,595,535,309 | 1,595,586,199 | 7 | 18 |
I’ve found that if I’m practising or doing the exercises for some time then my shoulder does get a little tired because I’m still not used to it.
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It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
| 0 | 50,890 | 2.571429 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
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fz0t7rf
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fz2sih8
| 1,595,538,880 | 1,595,586,199 | 6 | 18 |
My lines tend to curve more when I use my elbow instead of my shoulder.
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It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
| 0 | 47,319 | 3 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz2sih8
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fz1gub8
| 1,595,586,199 | 1,595,551,140 | 18 | 7 |
It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
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My thoughts on this is that I don’t see why it matters so long as you get the results you were looking for
| 1 | 35,059 | 2.571429 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz2sih8
|
fz14cl5
| 1,595,586,199 | 1,595,544,467 | 18 | 7 |
It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
|
Helps to draw large. Get a pad of newsprint, 18”x24” for example.
| 1 | 41,732 | 2.571429 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz2cqas
|
fz2sih8
| 1,595,571,125 | 1,595,586,199 | 6 | 18 |
I practiced getting the motion on a large dry erase board or chalkboard. You can’t help but use the shoulder. Once I could feel it correctly it was easier to identify when I switched to paper.
|
It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
| 0 | 15,074 | 3 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz2dm38
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fz2sih8
| 1,595,571,879 | 1,595,586,199 | 5 | 18 |
If you are properly using your shoulder there is less curve. In general it depends on how long is the line you are doing. Something like an inch should be pure wrist, longer than that elbow, and if you find your line curving then use your shoulder.
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It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
| 0 | 14,320 | 3.6 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz2sih8
|
fz27cmu
| 1,595,586,199 | 1,595,566,999 | 18 | 3 |
It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
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What helps me a lot is to put my freehand on my shoulder to feel if it's moving. Just makes you think about it a little more.
| 1 | 19,200 | 6 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz2sih8
|
fz2nk0n
| 1,595,586,199 | 1,595,581,263 | 18 | 3 |
It took me about 200 boxes ahead in the 250 box challenge to figure this out. I was tensing muscles, untensing muscles, holding my pen in all sorts of different ways, changing my posture... In the end I figured out what solidified it was holding my pen almost halfway up, not close to the nib. The higher you hold the pen, the more you'll be forced to create bolder and larger lines, thus resorting to your shoulder. Keep a good grip on the pen when you hold it high so that you can get used to it. Don't worry about the angle you hold it at, you're supposed to hold it at a 90 degree angle from the page but I have a lot of trouble with this - if you hold it at a crazy angle like I do, you risk drawing curves rather than lines but I find this can be solved by perfecting the shoulder movement. If you're still having trouble, in an old thread someone said that to understand the shoulder movement, imagine you were drawing with your elbow rather than your hand. As in, someone just cut your forearm off and now your elbow is the only choice. The upper arm movement you will do to simulate this is the exact shoulder movement you're looking for. Feel free to casually do that just to pinpoint the movement, I did it a lot randomly sitting around in places looking life a goofball. Try not to tense your muscles - you'll know you've done it right if your shoulder hurts rather than your bicep or wrist.
|
Stand up
| 1 | 4,936 | 6 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz1icxb
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fz0lw7y
| 1,595,551,994 | 1,595,535,309 | 8 | 7 |
My tips would be to hold your pencil like this https://images.app.goo.gl/y5Bf1kTmawSgVA5J9 , and to draw big to start with. This will teach you what drawing from the shoulder feels like. It’s more of a combination shoulder/elbow, as long as you’re not using your wrist, you should be fine.
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I’ve found that if I’m practising or doing the exercises for some time then my shoulder does get a little tired because I’m still not used to it.
| 1 | 16,685 | 1.142857 | ||
hwlj35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz0t7rf
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fz1icxb
| 1,595,538,880 | 1,595,551,994 | 6 | 8 |
My lines tend to curve more when I use my elbow instead of my shoulder.
|
My tips would be to hold your pencil like this https://images.app.goo.gl/y5Bf1kTmawSgVA5J9 , and to draw big to start with. This will teach you what drawing from the shoulder feels like. It’s more of a combination shoulder/elbow, as long as you’re not using your wrist, you should be fine.
| 0 | 13,114 | 1.333333 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz1gub8
|
fz1icxb
| 1,595,551,140 | 1,595,551,994 | 7 | 8 |
My thoughts on this is that I don’t see why it matters so long as you get the results you were looking for
|
My tips would be to hold your pencil like this https://images.app.goo.gl/y5Bf1kTmawSgVA5J9 , and to draw big to start with. This will teach you what drawing from the shoulder feels like. It’s more of a combination shoulder/elbow, as long as you’re not using your wrist, you should be fine.
| 0 | 854 | 1.142857 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz1icxb
|
fz14cl5
| 1,595,551,994 | 1,595,544,467 | 8 | 7 |
My tips would be to hold your pencil like this https://images.app.goo.gl/y5Bf1kTmawSgVA5J9 , and to draw big to start with. This will teach you what drawing from the shoulder feels like. It’s more of a combination shoulder/elbow, as long as you’re not using your wrist, you should be fine.
|
Helps to draw large. Get a pad of newsprint, 18”x24” for example.
| 1 | 7,527 | 1.142857 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz1gub8
|
fz0t7rf
| 1,595,551,140 | 1,595,538,880 | 7 | 6 |
My thoughts on this is that I don’t see why it matters so long as you get the results you were looking for
|
My lines tend to curve more when I use my elbow instead of my shoulder.
| 1 | 12,260 | 1.166667 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz14cl5
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fz0t7rf
| 1,595,544,467 | 1,595,538,880 | 7 | 6 |
Helps to draw large. Get a pad of newsprint, 18”x24” for example.
|
My lines tend to curve more when I use my elbow instead of my shoulder.
| 1 | 5,587 | 1.166667 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz2cqas
|
fz27cmu
| 1,595,571,125 | 1,595,566,999 | 6 | 3 |
I practiced getting the motion on a large dry erase board or chalkboard. You can’t help but use the shoulder. Once I could feel it correctly it was easier to identify when I switched to paper.
|
What helps me a lot is to put my freehand on my shoulder to feel if it's moving. Just makes you think about it a little more.
| 1 | 4,126 | 2 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz27cmu
|
fz2tqny
| 1,595,566,999 | 1,595,587,382 | 3 | 5 |
What helps me a lot is to put my freehand on my shoulder to feel if it's moving. Just makes you think about it a little more.
|
If your elbow is moving when draw the line I think this is good enough, the use of shoulder to elbow ratio depends on the angle of the line. A vertical line is mostly shoulder with a bit of elbow. A horizontal line might be 50/50 of shoulder and elbow in unison
| 0 | 20,383 | 1.666667 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz2nk0n
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fz2tqny
| 1,595,581,263 | 1,595,587,382 | 3 | 5 |
Stand up
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If your elbow is moving when draw the line I think this is good enough, the use of shoulder to elbow ratio depends on the angle of the line. A vertical line is mostly shoulder with a bit of elbow. A horizontal line might be 50/50 of shoulder and elbow in unison
| 0 | 6,119 | 1.666667 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz27cmu
|
fz2dm38
| 1,595,566,999 | 1,595,571,879 | 3 | 5 |
What helps me a lot is to put my freehand on my shoulder to feel if it's moving. Just makes you think about it a little more.
|
If you are properly using your shoulder there is less curve. In general it depends on how long is the line you are doing. Something like an inch should be pure wrist, longer than that elbow, and if you find your line curving then use your shoulder.
| 0 | 4,880 | 1.666667 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz38w0n
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fz27cmu
| 1,595,598,445 | 1,595,566,999 | 4 | 3 |
Ideally, draw from a standing position with your paper taped to a slightly angled drawing board on an easel. You don't want to hold your arm up, you want the paper set so your arm points *slightly* downward, about a fifteen degree angle. In the absence of that either nail your drawing board to something or prop it against the wall. You'll know you have it positioned properly when your drawing is intuitive and you don't have to think about all that. Concentrating too much on the physical rather than the drawing is counterproductive. An added benefit of standing is you can back away a few feet and check yourself on proportion.
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What helps me a lot is to put my freehand on my shoulder to feel if it's moving. Just makes you think about it a little more.
| 1 | 31,446 | 1.333333 | ||
hwlj35
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.99 |
How do I judge whether I am drawing primarily from my shoulder with only minimal adjustments from the elbow or if I am over-using the elbow and using less of the shoulder?
|
fz2nk0n
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fz38w0n
| 1,595,581,263 | 1,595,598,445 | 3 | 4 |
Stand up
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Ideally, draw from a standing position with your paper taped to a slightly angled drawing board on an easel. You don't want to hold your arm up, you want the paper set so your arm points *slightly* downward, about a fifteen degree angle. In the absence of that either nail your drawing board to something or prop it against the wall. You'll know you have it positioned properly when your drawing is intuitive and you don't have to think about all that. Concentrating too much on the physical rather than the drawing is counterproductive. An added benefit of standing is you can back away a few feet and check yourself on proportion.
| 0 | 17,182 | 1.333333 | ||
v672gi
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
Fineliners get ruined real fast, need help. I have bought 3 fineliners: an Artliner, a Steadler pigment liner and a Sakura Pigma Micron. Each one of them got to the point that they are unusable by a week of usage. The lines look like garbage and I have to hold them near perpendicular for them to even create a mark. I am applying the same pressure that I apply to a 0.5 mechanical pencil and I am not leaving them with their cap off. Why are the nibs wearing out this fast?
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ibf94fb
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ibf4w4v
| 1,654,556,349 | 1,654,554,290 | 26 | 25 |
I had a huge problem going through them quickly. I kept on trying to reduce my drawing pressure, but it gets to be impractical at a certain point. Then I realized that the problem was that the surface I was drawing on was too hard. Try putting a couple extra pieces of paper on your table/board, and I bet things will improve.
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I’d say the pressure that you use for a mechanical pencil is too much for a fine liner. For a fine liner, you just need it to touch the page, pushing down barely at all.
| 1 | 2,059 | 1.04 | ||
v672gi
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
Fineliners get ruined real fast, need help. I have bought 3 fineliners: an Artliner, a Steadler pigment liner and a Sakura Pigma Micron. Each one of them got to the point that they are unusable by a week of usage. The lines look like garbage and I have to hold them near perpendicular for them to even create a mark. I am applying the same pressure that I apply to a 0.5 mechanical pencil and I am not leaving them with their cap off. Why are the nibs wearing out this fast?
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ibf3r7m
|
ibf94fb
| 1,654,553,753 | 1,654,556,349 | 12 | 26 |
You're supposed to use fineliners perpendicular
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I had a huge problem going through them quickly. I kept on trying to reduce my drawing pressure, but it gets to be impractical at a certain point. Then I realized that the problem was that the surface I was drawing on was too hard. Try putting a couple extra pieces of paper on your table/board, and I bet things will improve.
| 0 | 2,596 | 2.166667 | ||
v672gi
|
artfundamentals_train
| 0.93 |
Fineliners get ruined real fast, need help. I have bought 3 fineliners: an Artliner, a Steadler pigment liner and a Sakura Pigma Micron. Each one of them got to the point that they are unusable by a week of usage. The lines look like garbage and I have to hold them near perpendicular for them to even create a mark. I am applying the same pressure that I apply to a 0.5 mechanical pencil and I am not leaving them with their cap off. Why are the nibs wearing out this fast?
|
ibf3r7m
|
ibf4w4v
| 1,654,553,753 | 1,654,554,290 | 12 | 25 |
You're supposed to use fineliners perpendicular
|
I’d say the pressure that you use for a mechanical pencil is too much for a fine liner. For a fine liner, you just need it to touch the page, pushing down barely at all.
| 0 | 537 | 2.083333 |
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