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awnegi
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehoeeg1
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ehny07y
| 1,551,586,055 | 1,551,572,591 | 58 | 32 |
Interesting fact: many humanities majors do far better at mid-career than do common STEM majors. For example, this study places philosophy majors well above chemistry, biology, biochem, and geology for mid-career earnings. While the top-earning degrees are indeed mostly in STEM, all of them are applied degrees-- engineering, computer science, petrochemical engineering, and the like -- or math fields like statistics that have broad application in areas like finance. Traditional science fields like biology not only pay less than some common humanities fields at mid-career, but placement rates for advanced degrees in biology are actually \*worse\* than fields like history for academic careers. STEM is hardly the golden ticket the media like to pretend it is, and if money is the motivator than a very large number of STEM students are actually in the wrong fields entirely.
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Yep, you hit the nail on the head. Fortunately, there's a bit of overlap- I moved from DNA sequencing into genomic data science. My pay literally went up 2.5x when I did this
| 1 | 13,464 | 1.8125 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho4w1w
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ehoeeg1
| 1,551,578,191 | 1,551,586,055 | 23 | 58 |
When people say STEM they mean engineering.
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Interesting fact: many humanities majors do far better at mid-career than do common STEM majors. For example, this study places philosophy majors well above chemistry, biology, biochem, and geology for mid-career earnings. While the top-earning degrees are indeed mostly in STEM, all of them are applied degrees-- engineering, computer science, petrochemical engineering, and the like -- or math fields like statistics that have broad application in areas like finance. Traditional science fields like biology not only pay less than some common humanities fields at mid-career, but placement rates for advanced degrees in biology are actually \*worse\* than fields like history for academic careers. STEM is hardly the golden ticket the media like to pretend it is, and if money is the motivator than a very large number of STEM students are actually in the wrong fields entirely.
| 0 | 7,864 | 2.521739 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnsp36
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ehoeeg1
| 1,551,568,199 | 1,551,586,055 | 19 | 58 |
In bio lots of people go for funded phds, so the job market tends to place a ceiling on career growth for people with just a B.S. or even an M.S. Bio is a hot market if you are going the computational or molecular route, but I bet doing field work is pretty rough right now.
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Interesting fact: many humanities majors do far better at mid-career than do common STEM majors. For example, this study places philosophy majors well above chemistry, biology, biochem, and geology for mid-career earnings. While the top-earning degrees are indeed mostly in STEM, all of them are applied degrees-- engineering, computer science, petrochemical engineering, and the like -- or math fields like statistics that have broad application in areas like finance. Traditional science fields like biology not only pay less than some common humanities fields at mid-career, but placement rates for advanced degrees in biology are actually \*worse\* than fields like history for academic careers. STEM is hardly the golden ticket the media like to pretend it is, and if money is the motivator than a very large number of STEM students are actually in the wrong fields entirely.
| 0 | 17,856 | 3.052632 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehoeeg1
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ehnzhdf
| 1,551,586,055 | 1,551,573,805 | 58 | 9 |
Interesting fact: many humanities majors do far better at mid-career than do common STEM majors. For example, this study places philosophy majors well above chemistry, biology, biochem, and geology for mid-career earnings. While the top-earning degrees are indeed mostly in STEM, all of them are applied degrees-- engineering, computer science, petrochemical engineering, and the like -- or math fields like statistics that have broad application in areas like finance. Traditional science fields like biology not only pay less than some common humanities fields at mid-career, but placement rates for advanced degrees in biology are actually \*worse\* than fields like history for academic careers. STEM is hardly the golden ticket the media like to pretend it is, and if money is the motivator than a very large number of STEM students are actually in the wrong fields entirely.
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Here's some data: https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Economic-Value-of-College-Majors-Full-Report-v2.compressed.pdf Here's chemistry: https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/careers/salaries/secure/salaries/new-graduates-2014-revised.pdf Then I got bored
| 1 | 12,250 | 6.444444 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehoeeg1
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ehnrdni
| 1,551,586,055 | 1,551,567,159 | 58 | 7 |
Interesting fact: many humanities majors do far better at mid-career than do common STEM majors. For example, this study places philosophy majors well above chemistry, biology, biochem, and geology for mid-career earnings. While the top-earning degrees are indeed mostly in STEM, all of them are applied degrees-- engineering, computer science, petrochemical engineering, and the like -- or math fields like statistics that have broad application in areas like finance. Traditional science fields like biology not only pay less than some common humanities fields at mid-career, but placement rates for advanced degrees in biology are actually \*worse\* than fields like history for academic careers. STEM is hardly the golden ticket the media like to pretend it is, and if money is the motivator than a very large number of STEM students are actually in the wrong fields entirely.
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I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
| 1 | 18,896 | 8.285714 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehoeeg1
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ehnxqe0
| 1,551,586,055 | 1,551,572,361 | 58 | 8 |
Interesting fact: many humanities majors do far better at mid-career than do common STEM majors. For example, this study places philosophy majors well above chemistry, biology, biochem, and geology for mid-career earnings. While the top-earning degrees are indeed mostly in STEM, all of them are applied degrees-- engineering, computer science, petrochemical engineering, and the like -- or math fields like statistics that have broad application in areas like finance. Traditional science fields like biology not only pay less than some common humanities fields at mid-career, but placement rates for advanced degrees in biology are actually \*worse\* than fields like history for academic careers. STEM is hardly the golden ticket the media like to pretend it is, and if money is the motivator than a very large number of STEM students are actually in the wrong fields entirely.
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If you want job security and get paid a lot, finance or fintech is always the answer.
| 1 | 13,694 | 7.25 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehoeeg1
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eho5gyo
| 1,551,586,055 | 1,551,578,688 | 58 | 5 |
Interesting fact: many humanities majors do far better at mid-career than do common STEM majors. For example, this study places philosophy majors well above chemistry, biology, biochem, and geology for mid-career earnings. While the top-earning degrees are indeed mostly in STEM, all of them are applied degrees-- engineering, computer science, petrochemical engineering, and the like -- or math fields like statistics that have broad application in areas like finance. Traditional science fields like biology not only pay less than some common humanities fields at mid-career, but placement rates for advanced degrees in biology are actually \*worse\* than fields like history for academic careers. STEM is hardly the golden ticket the media like to pretend it is, and if money is the motivator than a very large number of STEM students are actually in the wrong fields entirely.
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Yup. Can even depend on the branch of engineering (or physical science, or math, as you point out). You can look at the open number of positions in computer or electrical engineering vs., say, environmental engineering.
| 1 | 7,367 | 11.6 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho6n5g
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ehny07y
| 1,551,579,662 | 1,551,572,591 | 52 | 32 |
*laughs in philosphy and classics double major because i never had your illusions of wealth*
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Yep, you hit the nail on the head. Fortunately, there's a bit of overlap- I moved from DNA sequencing into genomic data science. My pay literally went up 2.5x when I did this
| 1 | 7,071 | 1.625 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho4w1w
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eho6n5g
| 1,551,578,191 | 1,551,579,662 | 23 | 52 |
When people say STEM they mean engineering.
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*laughs in philosphy and classics double major because i never had your illusions of wealth*
| 0 | 1,471 | 2.26087 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnsp36
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eho6n5g
| 1,551,568,199 | 1,551,579,662 | 19 | 52 |
In bio lots of people go for funded phds, so the job market tends to place a ceiling on career growth for people with just a B.S. or even an M.S. Bio is a hot market if you are going the computational or molecular route, but I bet doing field work is pretty rough right now.
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*laughs in philosphy and classics double major because i never had your illusions of wealth*
| 0 | 11,463 | 2.736842 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho6n5g
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ehnzhdf
| 1,551,579,662 | 1,551,573,805 | 52 | 9 |
*laughs in philosphy and classics double major because i never had your illusions of wealth*
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Here's some data: https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Economic-Value-of-College-Majors-Full-Report-v2.compressed.pdf Here's chemistry: https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/careers/salaries/secure/salaries/new-graduates-2014-revised.pdf Then I got bored
| 1 | 5,857 | 5.777778 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho6n5g
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ehnrdni
| 1,551,579,662 | 1,551,567,159 | 52 | 7 |
*laughs in philosphy and classics double major because i never had your illusions of wealth*
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I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
| 1 | 12,503 | 7.428571 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho6n5g
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ehnxqe0
| 1,551,579,662 | 1,551,572,361 | 52 | 8 |
*laughs in philosphy and classics double major because i never had your illusions of wealth*
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If you want job security and get paid a lot, finance or fintech is always the answer.
| 1 | 7,301 | 6.5 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho5gyo
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eho6n5g
| 1,551,578,688 | 1,551,579,662 | 5 | 52 |
Yup. Can even depend on the branch of engineering (or physical science, or math, as you point out). You can look at the open number of positions in computer or electrical engineering vs., say, environmental engineering.
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*laughs in philosphy and classics double major because i never had your illusions of wealth*
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnsp36
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ehny07y
| 1,551,568,199 | 1,551,572,591 | 19 | 32 |
In bio lots of people go for funded phds, so the job market tends to place a ceiling on career growth for people with just a B.S. or even an M.S. Bio is a hot market if you are going the computational or molecular route, but I bet doing field work is pretty rough right now.
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Yep, you hit the nail on the head. Fortunately, there's a bit of overlap- I moved from DNA sequencing into genomic data science. My pay literally went up 2.5x when I did this
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnrdni
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ehny07y
| 1,551,567,159 | 1,551,572,591 | 7 | 32 |
I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
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Yep, you hit the nail on the head. Fortunately, there's a bit of overlap- I moved from DNA sequencing into genomic data science. My pay literally went up 2.5x when I did this
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehny07y
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ehnxqe0
| 1,551,572,591 | 1,551,572,361 | 32 | 8 |
Yep, you hit the nail on the head. Fortunately, there's a bit of overlap- I moved from DNA sequencing into genomic data science. My pay literally went up 2.5x when I did this
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If you want job security and get paid a lot, finance or fintech is always the answer.
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnsp36
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eho4w1w
| 1,551,568,199 | 1,551,578,191 | 19 | 23 |
In bio lots of people go for funded phds, so the job market tends to place a ceiling on career growth for people with just a B.S. or even an M.S. Bio is a hot market if you are going the computational or molecular route, but I bet doing field work is pretty rough right now.
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When people say STEM they mean engineering.
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnzhdf
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eho4w1w
| 1,551,573,805 | 1,551,578,191 | 9 | 23 |
Here's some data: https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Economic-Value-of-College-Majors-Full-Report-v2.compressed.pdf Here's chemistry: https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/careers/salaries/secure/salaries/new-graduates-2014-revised.pdf Then I got bored
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When people say STEM they mean engineering.
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnrdni
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eho4w1w
| 1,551,567,159 | 1,551,578,191 | 7 | 23 |
I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
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When people say STEM they mean engineering.
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho4w1w
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ehnxqe0
| 1,551,578,191 | 1,551,572,361 | 23 | 8 |
When people say STEM they mean engineering.
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If you want job security and get paid a lot, finance or fintech is always the answer.
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnrdni
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ehnsp36
| 1,551,567,159 | 1,551,568,199 | 7 | 19 |
I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
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In bio lots of people go for funded phds, so the job market tends to place a ceiling on career growth for people with just a B.S. or even an M.S. Bio is a hot market if you are going the computational or molecular route, but I bet doing field work is pretty rough right now.
| 0 | 1,040 | 2.714286 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnzhdf
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ehof7vg
| 1,551,573,805 | 1,551,586,755 | 9 | 16 |
Here's some data: https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Economic-Value-of-College-Majors-Full-Report-v2.compressed.pdf Here's chemistry: https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/careers/salaries/secure/salaries/new-graduates-2014-revised.pdf Then I got bored
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At this point many health care professions have their own degrees and are not STEM. The main exception is physicians, which all biology freshmen think they will be. It frustrates me that by the time they co.e to terms with the fact they won't be physicians (organic chemistry) they have sunk years into courses which don't count toward professional health degrees.
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehof7vg
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ehnrdni
| 1,551,586,755 | 1,551,567,159 | 16 | 7 |
At this point many health care professions have their own degrees and are not STEM. The main exception is physicians, which all biology freshmen think they will be. It frustrates me that by the time they co.e to terms with the fact they won't be physicians (organic chemistry) they have sunk years into courses which don't count toward professional health degrees.
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I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
| 1 | 19,596 | 2.285714 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehof7vg
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ehnxqe0
| 1,551,586,755 | 1,551,572,361 | 16 | 8 |
At this point many health care professions have their own degrees and are not STEM. The main exception is physicians, which all biology freshmen think they will be. It frustrates me that by the time they co.e to terms with the fact they won't be physicians (organic chemistry) they have sunk years into courses which don't count toward professional health degrees.
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If you want job security and get paid a lot, finance or fintech is always the answer.
| 1 | 14,394 | 2 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho5gyo
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ehof7vg
| 1,551,578,688 | 1,551,586,755 | 5 | 16 |
Yup. Can even depend on the branch of engineering (or physical science, or math, as you point out). You can look at the open number of positions in computer or electrical engineering vs., say, environmental engineering.
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At this point many health care professions have their own degrees and are not STEM. The main exception is physicians, which all biology freshmen think they will be. It frustrates me that by the time they co.e to terms with the fact they won't be physicians (organic chemistry) they have sunk years into courses which don't count toward professional health degrees.
| 0 | 8,067 | 3.2 | ||
awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnzhdf
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ehofdgg
| 1,551,573,805 | 1,551,586,867 | 9 | 10 |
Here's some data: https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Economic-Value-of-College-Majors-Full-Report-v2.compressed.pdf Here's chemistry: https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/careers/salaries/secure/salaries/new-graduates-2014-revised.pdf Then I got bored
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We need to stop thinking about degrees and the jobs they purportedly ensure and start thinking and talking about the relation between commitment and competency. If you are a s*** student with an engineering degree but you hate engineering, then you probably won’t get a good job. If you’re a great student in chemistry, it will be because you love it, you commit to it, and you stand a pretty good chance of getting a good job. The problem with all of these studies on the relationship between jobs and degrees is that they are EXTREMELY bad at differentiating between levels of competency and commitment amongst recent graduates. I’m not saying “work harder,” by the way. I can see people extrapolating that from this comment. The truth is that people work too hard sometimes to make a degree work for them that doesn’t really fit their temperament or personality. Find what you love and can commit to. Go from there. Do not pick a degree for the job it will get you. Edit: a word
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehofdgg
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ehnrdni
| 1,551,586,867 | 1,551,567,159 | 10 | 7 |
We need to stop thinking about degrees and the jobs they purportedly ensure and start thinking and talking about the relation between commitment and competency. If you are a s*** student with an engineering degree but you hate engineering, then you probably won’t get a good job. If you’re a great student in chemistry, it will be because you love it, you commit to it, and you stand a pretty good chance of getting a good job. The problem with all of these studies on the relationship between jobs and degrees is that they are EXTREMELY bad at differentiating between levels of competency and commitment amongst recent graduates. I’m not saying “work harder,” by the way. I can see people extrapolating that from this comment. The truth is that people work too hard sometimes to make a degree work for them that doesn’t really fit their temperament or personality. Find what you love and can commit to. Go from there. Do not pick a degree for the job it will get you. Edit: a word
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I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
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awnegi
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askacademia_train
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnxqe0
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ehofdgg
| 1,551,572,361 | 1,551,586,867 | 8 | 10 |
If you want job security and get paid a lot, finance or fintech is always the answer.
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We need to stop thinking about degrees and the jobs they purportedly ensure and start thinking and talking about the relation between commitment and competency. If you are a s*** student with an engineering degree but you hate engineering, then you probably won’t get a good job. If you’re a great student in chemistry, it will be because you love it, you commit to it, and you stand a pretty good chance of getting a good job. The problem with all of these studies on the relationship between jobs and degrees is that they are EXTREMELY bad at differentiating between levels of competency and commitment amongst recent graduates. I’m not saying “work harder,” by the way. I can see people extrapolating that from this comment. The truth is that people work too hard sometimes to make a degree work for them that doesn’t really fit their temperament or personality. Find what you love and can commit to. Go from there. Do not pick a degree for the job it will get you. Edit: a word
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehofdgg
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Yup. Can even depend on the branch of engineering (or physical science, or math, as you point out). You can look at the open number of positions in computer or electrical engineering vs., say, environmental engineering.
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We need to stop thinking about degrees and the jobs they purportedly ensure and start thinking and talking about the relation between commitment and competency. If you are a s*** student with an engineering degree but you hate engineering, then you probably won’t get a good job. If you’re a great student in chemistry, it will be because you love it, you commit to it, and you stand a pretty good chance of getting a good job. The problem with all of these studies on the relationship between jobs and degrees is that they are EXTREMELY bad at differentiating between levels of competency and commitment amongst recent graduates. I’m not saying “work harder,” by the way. I can see people extrapolating that from this comment. The truth is that people work too hard sometimes to make a degree work for them that doesn’t really fit their temperament or personality. Find what you love and can commit to. Go from there. Do not pick a degree for the job it will get you. Edit: a word
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehowphy
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Here's some data: https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Economic-Value-of-College-Majors-Full-Report-v2.compressed.pdf Here's chemistry: https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/careers/salaries/secure/salaries/new-graduates-2014-revised.pdf Then I got bored
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It‘s just as if there’s no demand anymore for any workforce whatsoever. I mean I didn’t know it looks as grim for STEM grads as well but I would say this is clear evidence that there’s a structural phenomenon underlying this …
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awnegi
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnrdni
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ehnzhdf
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I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
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Here's some data: https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Economic-Value-of-College-Majors-Full-Report-v2.compressed.pdf Here's chemistry: https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/careers/salaries/secure/salaries/new-graduates-2014-revised.pdf Then I got bored
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awnegi
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnxqe0
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ehnzhdf
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If you want job security and get paid a lot, finance or fintech is always the answer.
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Here's some data: https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Economic-Value-of-College-Majors-Full-Report-v2.compressed.pdf Here's chemistry: https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/careers/salaries/secure/salaries/new-graduates-2014-revised.pdf Then I got bored
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awnegi
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnrdni
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ehowphy
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I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
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It‘s just as if there’s no demand anymore for any workforce whatsoever. I mean I didn’t know it looks as grim for STEM grads as well but I would say this is clear evidence that there’s a structural phenomenon underlying this …
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awnegi
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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It‘s just as if there’s no demand anymore for any workforce whatsoever. I mean I didn’t know it looks as grim for STEM grads as well but I would say this is clear evidence that there’s a structural phenomenon underlying this …
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I agree... But I'll add I feel this way about most jobs. I'm a phd student but only after coming back to school after ten years working in a different industry. When I get to great school and I hear the panic about how jobs are scarce, get out to industry where the real money is, I want to tell people it's just not true. Some people get lucky and change station. Most people stay in their social economic class their parents were in and according to rich billionaires in Forbes the major players for success are having had connections to begin with (silver spoon) and luck. Every market is horrible right now and they are all suffering. Pensions and benefits have been slashed in every market by enormous percents. Younger genx and millennials will be the first to not only make less than their parents but live shorter lives or have more health problems. I had arthritis at 25. I saw a girl waiting tables today about 22, with a knee brace..... That didn't happen to anyone fifty years ago except vets. I'm not sure there are any safe harbors anywhere, not even in stem. The only thing I can do is study what I love and accept I will always be poor, have debt, but at least my life has meaning and I don't want to die like I did in my last career.
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnxqe0
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ehowphy
| 1,551,572,361 | 1,551,608,338 | 8 | 10 |
If you want job security and get paid a lot, finance or fintech is always the answer.
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It‘s just as if there’s no demand anymore for any workforce whatsoever. I mean I didn’t know it looks as grim for STEM grads as well but I would say this is clear evidence that there’s a structural phenomenon underlying this …
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awnegi
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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eho5gyo
| 1,551,608,338 | 1,551,578,688 | 10 | 5 |
It‘s just as if there’s no demand anymore for any workforce whatsoever. I mean I didn’t know it looks as grim for STEM grads as well but I would say this is clear evidence that there’s a structural phenomenon underlying this …
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Yup. Can even depend on the branch of engineering (or physical science, or math, as you point out). You can look at the open number of positions in computer or electrical engineering vs., say, environmental engineering.
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awnegi
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehnrdni
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ehnxqe0
| 1,551,567,159 | 1,551,572,361 | 7 | 8 |
I’m not sure I’d agree with you, at least for chemistry. Graduates from my institution who want to start out with a BS in chemistry can easily get an entry-level job making $65k a year, with the ability to move up in salary pretty quickly. We’ve got no problem placing our majors.
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If you want job security and get paid a lot, finance or fintech is always the answer.
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awnegi
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Can we talk about how strictly “STEM” doesn’t really mean job security or good pay anymore? And the illusion is misleading students. STEM = Science Technology Engineering Math I will absolutely agree that: (1) Engineering and Technology, (2) Health Care (sub sector of “Science”) and (3) Statistics/Data Science (subsector of“Math”..?) are in high demand and are usually well paid. Going into any of these specific fields directly is healthy. HOWEVER basic scientists like biologists and chemists are not paid all that great and are certainly not in demand. It’s not quite as bad as being a Art History major but I see many similarities on these Reddit threads between science grad students and humanities grad students. It’s not unusual for grads with M.S. in life sciences to apply for many jobs with hopes of making just $45-50k. Meanwhile their business and engineering counterparts start out at $80k with a just B.S. Ok. So what? Why is this a problem? Well because many naive students believe their hard work, years of late night studying, 45 page thesis, lab work, etc. in life sciences will translate to a good paying job easily. I mean it is “STEM” right? But that’s just not the case. It’s a problem because budding science undergrads should be warned with a flashing red light that if they don’t go into health care directly, their degree will require several more years of study for a job that will probably be underpaid. (Steps off of soap box...)
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ehow8g3
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eho5gyo
| 1,551,607,512 | 1,551,578,688 | 7 | 5 |
I agree... But I'll add I feel this way about most jobs. I'm a phd student but only after coming back to school after ten years working in a different industry. When I get to great school and I hear the panic about how jobs are scarce, get out to industry where the real money is, I want to tell people it's just not true. Some people get lucky and change station. Most people stay in their social economic class their parents were in and according to rich billionaires in Forbes the major players for success are having had connections to begin with (silver spoon) and luck. Every market is horrible right now and they are all suffering. Pensions and benefits have been slashed in every market by enormous percents. Younger genx and millennials will be the first to not only make less than their parents but live shorter lives or have more health problems. I had arthritis at 25. I saw a girl waiting tables today about 22, with a knee brace..... That didn't happen to anyone fifty years ago except vets. I'm not sure there are any safe harbors anywhere, not even in stem. The only thing I can do is study what I love and accept I will always be poor, have debt, but at least my life has meaning and I don't want to die like I did in my last career.
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Yup. Can even depend on the branch of engineering (or physical science, or math, as you point out). You can look at the open number of positions in computer or electrical engineering vs., say, environmental engineering.
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Update: gave my 15 minute presentation about my PhD at a job interview Hi all- I just wanted to say thanks x1000 to all your super helpful tips. I posted here last week about summarizing my doctorate work for a job interview. The job interview was about 2 hours of questions/discussion going over the position and my past experience. I then gave my presentation, which in the end took 18 minutes 😬. I summarized two papers from my work, the 2 I thought would be most interesting to the outside world. And per your tips, I really just gave the most high level take home messages, didn’t get too lost in methods and details. And in the end I was offered the job 🎉🎊. Thanks reddit family!!
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ewrdshp
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what's the position? what's your field?
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Way to go!
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cpqr69
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Update: gave my 15 minute presentation about my PhD at a job interview Hi all- I just wanted to say thanks x1000 to all your super helpful tips. I posted here last week about summarizing my doctorate work for a job interview. The job interview was about 2 hours of questions/discussion going over the position and my past experience. I then gave my presentation, which in the end took 18 minutes 😬. I summarized two papers from my work, the 2 I thought would be most interesting to the outside world. And per your tips, I really just gave the most high level take home messages, didn’t get too lost in methods and details. And in the end I was offered the job 🎉🎊. Thanks reddit family!!
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ewrhory
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what's the position? what's your field?
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Congratulations man!
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wxpm1v
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilt8t0w
| 1,661,474,054 | 1,661,476,461 | 6 | 53 |
Nice! It’s about time.
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We had something similar pass in Canada a few years back. The ultimate outcome was that it was decided that PIs could upload a pre-formatting post-review draft of the manuscript to their website or university repository and that would be sufficient. It doesn't make journal-formatted papers free.
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wxpm1v
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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iltm2j6
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ilv4ssg
| 1,661,482,625 | 1,661,518,805 | 8 | 9 |
How does this work in practice? If I get a grant and want to publish several manuscripts, I can only publish through gov channels? Or journals have to make these articles free…?
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Do you still have to pay the open access fee for publishing?
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wxpm1v
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askacademia_train
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilv4ssg
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ilt3i04
| 1,661,518,805 | 1,661,474,054 | 9 | 6 |
Do you still have to pay the open access fee for publishing?
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Nice! It’s about time.
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wxpm1v
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askacademia_train
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilv4ssg
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iltue3u
| 1,661,518,805 | 1,661,487,004 | 9 | 7 |
Do you still have to pay the open access fee for publishing?
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Scholarly communications and data librarian twitter was blowing up about this today. Great news, but we'll have to see how some of the less-than-clear bits turn out to be implemented. Hope you all know how to use repositories.
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wxpm1v
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilu8iij
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ilv4ssg
| 1,661,496,424 | 1,661,518,805 | 1 | 9 |
So does this mean poor grad students with grants like the f31 have to pay $3-4k dollars to publish their research open access...if that's the case it's time for me to leave academia
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Do you still have to pay the open access fee for publishing?
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wxpm1v
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askacademia_train
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilt3i04
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iltm2j6
| 1,661,474,054 | 1,661,482,625 | 6 | 8 |
Nice! It’s about time.
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How does this work in practice? If I get a grant and want to publish several manuscripts, I can only publish through gov channels? Or journals have to make these articles free…?
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wxpm1v
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askacademia_train
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilvgu3k
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ilt3i04
| 1,661,524,002 | 1,661,474,054 | 8 | 6 |
So now publishers can just crank up their OA fees since you don’t have a choice but to pay them. Everyone ups the costings in their grant apps to compensate. These costs are borne by the public. Less money being spent on actual science, more profits for the publishers.
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Nice! It’s about time.
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wxpm1v
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilvgu3k
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iltue3u
| 1,661,524,002 | 1,661,487,004 | 8 | 7 |
So now publishers can just crank up their OA fees since you don’t have a choice but to pay them. Everyone ups the costings in their grant apps to compensate. These costs are borne by the public. Less money being spent on actual science, more profits for the publishers.
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Scholarly communications and data librarian twitter was blowing up about this today. Great news, but we'll have to see how some of the less-than-clear bits turn out to be implemented. Hope you all know how to use repositories.
| 1 | 36,998 | 1.142857 | ||
wxpm1v
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askacademia_train
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilvgu3k
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ilu8iij
| 1,661,524,002 | 1,661,496,424 | 8 | 1 |
So now publishers can just crank up their OA fees since you don’t have a choice but to pay them. Everyone ups the costings in their grant apps to compensate. These costs are borne by the public. Less money being spent on actual science, more profits for the publishers.
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So does this mean poor grad students with grants like the f31 have to pay $3-4k dollars to publish their research open access...if that's the case it's time for me to leave academia
| 1 | 27,578 | 8 | ||
wxpm1v
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askacademia_train
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilt3i04
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iltue3u
| 1,661,474,054 | 1,661,487,004 | 6 | 7 |
Nice! It’s about time.
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Scholarly communications and data librarian twitter was blowing up about this today. Great news, but we'll have to see how some of the less-than-clear bits turn out to be implemented. Hope you all know how to use repositories.
| 0 | 12,950 | 1.166667 | ||
wxpm1v
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askacademia_train
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilvl4ul
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ilu8iij
| 1,661,525,712 | 1,661,496,424 | 5 | 1 |
1) OA requirement for all NIH funded research was already a thing. This just removes the delay of a year. 2) I haven't read the whole law, but right now you pay a pub fee, and open access fee in addition to your subscription to the journals and this does nothing to demand that the journals don't charge for it, so the onus is on researchers, who will mostly do this from their grant, so the tax payers are still paying twice for this. Not sure why you are so excited?
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So does this mean poor grad students with grants like the f31 have to pay $3-4k dollars to publish their research open access...if that's the case it's time for me to leave academia
| 1 | 29,288 | 5 | ||
wxpm1v
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askacademia_train
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Finally! Open Science -- All US Federally Funded Research must now be Freely Available! https://www.whitehouse.gov/ostp/news-updates/2022/08/25/ostp-issues-guidance-to-make-federally-funded-research-freely-available-without-delay/ Research results should be freely available. Too excited not to share...
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ilu8iij
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ipeyxnr
| 1,661,496,424 | 1,663,812,067 | 1 | 2 |
So does this mean poor grad students with grants like the f31 have to pay $3-4k dollars to publish their research open access...if that's the case it's time for me to leave academia
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This is game changing
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
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PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih693a7
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ih69eg3
| 1,658,487,149 | 1,658,487,360 | 5 | 253 |
good luck!!!!! please have hope and remember that failing is part of our journey. do your best as there’s nothing else that could be done today. you never know how things might turn out as you’re just nervous..
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If there was a chance you'd fail, your supervisor wouldn't allow you to defend
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
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PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih698b0
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ih69eg3
| 1,658,487,245 | 1,658,487,360 | 2 | 253 |
All the best
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If there was a chance you'd fail, your supervisor wouldn't allow you to defend
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
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PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6aae4
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ih6aji3
| 1,658,487,951 | 1,658,488,119 | 43 | 61 |
i don't know if it helps, but we all felt that way before the defense: i knw i did, and it went great. Best of luck to you. edit: i don't know the american system very well, i'm french and teach in france, but there are no reason to fail you if your supervisor has allowed you to defend: this would be seen as a direct attack on them, and a default to the rules of collegiality. If they had confidence in you, confident enough they would their name on your work, it means your thesis is not the failure you think it is.
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Please check back in this thread and tell us how it went. Good luck!
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
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PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6aji3
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ih693a7
| 1,658,488,119 | 1,658,487,149 | 61 | 5 |
Please check back in this thread and tell us how it went. Good luck!
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good luck!!!!! please have hope and remember that failing is part of our journey. do your best as there’s nothing else that could be done today. you never know how things might turn out as you’re just nervous..
| 1 | 970 | 12.2 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih698b0
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ih6aji3
| 1,658,487,245 | 1,658,488,119 | 2 | 61 |
All the best
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Please check back in this thread and tell us how it went. Good luck!
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6aae4
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ih693a7
| 1,658,487,951 | 1,658,487,149 | 43 | 5 |
i don't know if it helps, but we all felt that way before the defense: i knw i did, and it went great. Best of luck to you. edit: i don't know the american system very well, i'm french and teach in france, but there are no reason to fail you if your supervisor has allowed you to defend: this would be seen as a direct attack on them, and a default to the rules of collegiality. If they had confidence in you, confident enough they would their name on your work, it means your thesis is not the failure you think it is.
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good luck!!!!! please have hope and remember that failing is part of our journey. do your best as there’s nothing else that could be done today. you never know how things might turn out as you’re just nervous..
| 1 | 802 | 8.6 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih698b0
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ih6aae4
| 1,658,487,245 | 1,658,487,951 | 2 | 43 |
All the best
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i don't know if it helps, but we all felt that way before the defense: i knw i did, and it went great. Best of luck to you. edit: i don't know the american system very well, i'm french and teach in france, but there are no reason to fail you if your supervisor has allowed you to defend: this would be seen as a direct attack on them, and a default to the rules of collegiality. If they had confidence in you, confident enough they would their name on your work, it means your thesis is not the failure you think it is.
| 0 | 706 | 21.5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih693a7
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ih6enu8
| 1,658,487,149 | 1,658,490,659 | 5 | 35 |
good luck!!!!! please have hope and remember that failing is part of our journey. do your best as there’s nothing else that could be done today. you never know how things might turn out as you’re just nervous..
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Hey OP give us an update, are you not just of of these people who always think they will fail their exams and have a big impostor syndrom? In many countries and US as well I guess if the manuscript is accepted for the defense there is no way to fail. You basically have your PhD already, you just need to show that you know what i inside and why it's done this way. If you were not ready for that and the manuscript was not good enough it would not be accepted for defense.
| 0 | 3,510 | 7 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih698b0
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ih6enu8
| 1,658,487,245 | 1,658,490,659 | 2 | 35 |
All the best
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Hey OP give us an update, are you not just of of these people who always think they will fail their exams and have a big impostor syndrom? In many countries and US as well I guess if the manuscript is accepted for the defense there is no way to fail. You basically have your PhD already, you just need to show that you know what i inside and why it's done this way. If you were not ready for that and the manuscript was not good enough it would not be accepted for defense.
| 0 | 3,414 | 17.5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6blf1
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ih6enu8
| 1,658,488,799 | 1,658,490,659 | 2 | 35 |
You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
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Hey OP give us an update, are you not just of of these people who always think they will fail their exams and have a big impostor syndrom? In many countries and US as well I guess if the manuscript is accepted for the defense there is no way to fail. You basically have your PhD already, you just need to show that you know what i inside and why it's done this way. If you were not ready for that and the manuscript was not good enough it would not be accepted for defense.
| 0 | 1,860 | 17.5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6f2fr
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ih693a7
| 1,658,490,891 | 1,658,487,149 | 16 | 5 |
OP: if what you’re saying about your work were true, they wouldn’t have allowed you to get to the defence stage. That’s what the whole process is there for.
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good luck!!!!! please have hope and remember that failing is part of our journey. do your best as there’s nothing else that could be done today. you never know how things might turn out as you’re just nervous..
| 1 | 3,742 | 3.2 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6f2fr
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ih698b0
| 1,658,490,891 | 1,658,487,245 | 16 | 2 |
OP: if what you’re saying about your work were true, they wouldn’t have allowed you to get to the defence stage. That’s what the whole process is there for.
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All the best
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6blf1
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ih6f2fr
| 1,658,488,799 | 1,658,490,891 | 2 | 16 |
You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
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OP: if what you’re saying about your work were true, they wouldn’t have allowed you to get to the defence stage. That’s what the whole process is there for.
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih693a7
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ih6ghvx
| 1,658,487,149 | 1,658,491,700 | 5 | 10 |
good luck!!!!! please have hope and remember that failing is part of our journey. do your best as there’s nothing else that could be done today. you never know how things might turn out as you’re just nervous..
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i hated my data…. and all turned out okay. gosh…been there done that during my ABD time…. you are an expert of your data…. of what your have. don’t sell yourself short HOPE for a pass with revisions…. even if extensive…. you’d have passed…. yes good luck and if willing, update us!
| 0 | 4,551 | 2 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6ghvx
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ih698b0
| 1,658,491,700 | 1,658,487,245 | 10 | 2 |
i hated my data…. and all turned out okay. gosh…been there done that during my ABD time…. you are an expert of your data…. of what your have. don’t sell yourself short HOPE for a pass with revisions…. even if extensive…. you’d have passed…. yes good luck and if willing, update us!
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All the best
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6blf1
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ih6ghvx
| 1,658,488,799 | 1,658,491,700 | 2 | 10 |
You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
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i hated my data…. and all turned out okay. gosh…been there done that during my ABD time…. you are an expert of your data…. of what your have. don’t sell yourself short HOPE for a pass with revisions…. even if extensive…. you’d have passed…. yes good luck and if willing, update us!
| 0 | 2,901 | 5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6jwjn
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ih693a7
| 1,658,493,486 | 1,658,487,149 | 9 | 5 |
That’s just the imposter syndrome talking. Make sure that you get a good night’s sleep before your defense. I like the idea that you are thinking that push comes to shove, you will go back to your country. That removes some of the nervousness. But I’m sure you will pass, if your guide has allowed you to defend. Good luck and see you on the other side!
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good luck!!!!! please have hope and remember that failing is part of our journey. do your best as there’s nothing else that could be done today. you never know how things might turn out as you’re just nervous..
| 1 | 6,337 | 1.8 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih698b0
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ih6jwjn
| 1,658,487,245 | 1,658,493,486 | 2 | 9 |
All the best
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That’s just the imposter syndrome talking. Make sure that you get a good night’s sleep before your defense. I like the idea that you are thinking that push comes to shove, you will go back to your country. That removes some of the nervousness. But I’m sure you will pass, if your guide has allowed you to defend. Good luck and see you on the other side!
| 0 | 6,241 | 4.5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
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PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6blf1
| 1,658,493,486 | 1,658,488,799 | 9 | 2 |
That’s just the imposter syndrome talking. Make sure that you get a good night’s sleep before your defense. I like the idea that you are thinking that push comes to shove, you will go back to your country. That removes some of the nervousness. But I’m sure you will pass, if your guide has allowed you to defend. Good luck and see you on the other side!
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You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih7gstg
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ih693a7
| 1,658,507,104 | 1,658,487,149 | 8 | 5 |
I see you posted 5h ago so this might be too late, but the absolute worst thing you can do is go in there with this attitude. If the thesis is really truly that terrible you should never have submitted it. However, more likely it's fine and you're having a wobble. But if you go in there and create the impression you think it's shit and has no merit then you're going to undermine their confidence in the work and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How can you expect them to believe in something you don't? How can you expect them to place any value in something you aren't willing to stand by? You chose to submit this work so you have to own it and defend it now. That's a fundamental part of being an academic and if you aren't willing to defend your work, your career options become limited to roles that require no skill, expertise or intellectual input. Lastly, people who love and value you won't judge you for failing at something but only if you truly gave it your best shot. You will never earn people's respect being defeatist and negative and deciding you've failed before you even gave it a go. So if you go in and give it your all, you will be respected and people will be sympathetic. If you think it's better to declare it's a failure so you don't risk trying and then failing, no one will respect you.
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good luck!!!!! please have hope and remember that failing is part of our journey. do your best as there’s nothing else that could be done today. you never know how things might turn out as you’re just nervous..
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih7gstg
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ih6tfo8
| 1,658,507,104 | 1,658,497,855 | 8 | 3 |
I see you posted 5h ago so this might be too late, but the absolute worst thing you can do is go in there with this attitude. If the thesis is really truly that terrible you should never have submitted it. However, more likely it's fine and you're having a wobble. But if you go in there and create the impression you think it's shit and has no merit then you're going to undermine their confidence in the work and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How can you expect them to believe in something you don't? How can you expect them to place any value in something you aren't willing to stand by? You chose to submit this work so you have to own it and defend it now. That's a fundamental part of being an academic and if you aren't willing to defend your work, your career options become limited to roles that require no skill, expertise or intellectual input. Lastly, people who love and value you won't judge you for failing at something but only if you truly gave it your best shot. You will never earn people's respect being defeatist and negative and deciding you've failed before you even gave it a go. So if you go in and give it your all, you will be respected and people will be sympathetic. If you think it's better to declare it's a failure so you don't risk trying and then failing, no one will respect you.
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Best of luck!! Please update us :) Rooting for you from Spain!
| 1 | 9,249 | 2.666667 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih7gstg
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ih6z7r6
| 1,658,507,104 | 1,658,500,249 | 8 | 3 |
I see you posted 5h ago so this might be too late, but the absolute worst thing you can do is go in there with this attitude. If the thesis is really truly that terrible you should never have submitted it. However, more likely it's fine and you're having a wobble. But if you go in there and create the impression you think it's shit and has no merit then you're going to undermine their confidence in the work and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How can you expect them to believe in something you don't? How can you expect them to place any value in something you aren't willing to stand by? You chose to submit this work so you have to own it and defend it now. That's a fundamental part of being an academic and if you aren't willing to defend your work, your career options become limited to roles that require no skill, expertise or intellectual input. Lastly, people who love and value you won't judge you for failing at something but only if you truly gave it your best shot. You will never earn people's respect being defeatist and negative and deciding you've failed before you even gave it a go. So if you go in and give it your all, you will be respected and people will be sympathetic. If you think it's better to declare it's a failure so you don't risk trying and then failing, no one will respect you.
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I felt the same way going into my diss defense - many things in the dissertation really needed more work. However, as others have noted, your dissertation advisor wouldn’t allow you to defend if you weren’t ready. Consider the dissertation and defense an entry point into what you are studying, not as the end goal. Good luck!!!
| 1 | 6,855 | 2.666667 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih7gstg
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ih79u11
| 1,658,507,104 | 1,658,504,425 | 8 | 3 |
I see you posted 5h ago so this might be too late, but the absolute worst thing you can do is go in there with this attitude. If the thesis is really truly that terrible you should never have submitted it. However, more likely it's fine and you're having a wobble. But if you go in there and create the impression you think it's shit and has no merit then you're going to undermine their confidence in the work and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How can you expect them to believe in something you don't? How can you expect them to place any value in something you aren't willing to stand by? You chose to submit this work so you have to own it and defend it now. That's a fundamental part of being an academic and if you aren't willing to defend your work, your career options become limited to roles that require no skill, expertise or intellectual input. Lastly, people who love and value you won't judge you for failing at something but only if you truly gave it your best shot. You will never earn people's respect being defeatist and negative and deciding you've failed before you even gave it a go. So if you go in and give it your all, you will be respected and people will be sympathetic. If you think it's better to declare it's a failure so you don't risk trying and then failing, no one will respect you.
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So did you pass? Let us know!
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih698b0
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ih7gstg
| 1,658,487,245 | 1,658,507,104 | 2 | 8 |
All the best
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I see you posted 5h ago so this might be too late, but the absolute worst thing you can do is go in there with this attitude. If the thesis is really truly that terrible you should never have submitted it. However, more likely it's fine and you're having a wobble. But if you go in there and create the impression you think it's shit and has no merit then you're going to undermine their confidence in the work and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How can you expect them to believe in something you don't? How can you expect them to place any value in something you aren't willing to stand by? You chose to submit this work so you have to own it and defend it now. That's a fundamental part of being an academic and if you aren't willing to defend your work, your career options become limited to roles that require no skill, expertise or intellectual input. Lastly, people who love and value you won't judge you for failing at something but only if you truly gave it your best shot. You will never earn people's respect being defeatist and negative and deciding you've failed before you even gave it a go. So if you go in and give it your all, you will be respected and people will be sympathetic. If you think it's better to declare it's a failure so you don't risk trying and then failing, no one will respect you.
| 0 | 19,859 | 4 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
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PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6blf1
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ih7gstg
| 1,658,488,799 | 1,658,507,104 | 2 | 8 |
You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
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I see you posted 5h ago so this might be too late, but the absolute worst thing you can do is go in there with this attitude. If the thesis is really truly that terrible you should never have submitted it. However, more likely it's fine and you're having a wobble. But if you go in there and create the impression you think it's shit and has no merit then you're going to undermine their confidence in the work and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How can you expect them to believe in something you don't? How can you expect them to place any value in something you aren't willing to stand by? You chose to submit this work so you have to own it and defend it now. That's a fundamental part of being an academic and if you aren't willing to defend your work, your career options become limited to roles that require no skill, expertise or intellectual input. Lastly, people who love and value you won't judge you for failing at something but only if you truly gave it your best shot. You will never earn people's respect being defeatist and negative and deciding you've failed before you even gave it a go. So if you go in and give it your all, you will be respected and people will be sympathetic. If you think it's better to declare it's a failure so you don't risk trying and then failing, no one will respect you.
| 0 | 18,305 | 4 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6kbaf
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ih7gstg
| 1,658,493,690 | 1,658,507,104 | 2 | 8 |
Good luck
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I see you posted 5h ago so this might be too late, but the absolute worst thing you can do is go in there with this attitude. If the thesis is really truly that terrible you should never have submitted it. However, more likely it's fine and you're having a wobble. But if you go in there and create the impression you think it's shit and has no merit then you're going to undermine their confidence in the work and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How can you expect them to believe in something you don't? How can you expect them to place any value in something you aren't willing to stand by? You chose to submit this work so you have to own it and defend it now. That's a fundamental part of being an academic and if you aren't willing to defend your work, your career options become limited to roles that require no skill, expertise or intellectual input. Lastly, people who love and value you won't judge you for failing at something but only if you truly gave it your best shot. You will never earn people's respect being defeatist and negative and deciding you've failed before you even gave it a go. So if you go in and give it your all, you will be respected and people will be sympathetic. If you think it's better to declare it's a failure so you don't risk trying and then failing, no one will respect you.
| 0 | 13,414 | 4 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6tfo8
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ih698b0
| 1,658,497,855 | 1,658,487,245 | 3 | 2 |
Best of luck!! Please update us :) Rooting for you from Spain!
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All the best
| 1 | 10,610 | 1.5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6tfo8
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ih6blf1
| 1,658,497,855 | 1,658,488,799 | 3 | 2 |
Best of luck!! Please update us :) Rooting for you from Spain!
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You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
| 1 | 9,056 | 1.5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6kbaf
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ih6tfo8
| 1,658,493,690 | 1,658,497,855 | 2 | 3 |
Good luck
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Best of luck!! Please update us :) Rooting for you from Spain!
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6z7r6
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ih698b0
| 1,658,500,249 | 1,658,487,245 | 3 | 2 |
I felt the same way going into my diss defense - many things in the dissertation really needed more work. However, as others have noted, your dissertation advisor wouldn’t allow you to defend if you weren’t ready. Consider the dissertation and defense an entry point into what you are studying, not as the end goal. Good luck!!!
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All the best
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6z7r6
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ih6blf1
| 1,658,500,249 | 1,658,488,799 | 3 | 2 |
I felt the same way going into my diss defense - many things in the dissertation really needed more work. However, as others have noted, your dissertation advisor wouldn’t allow you to defend if you weren’t ready. Consider the dissertation and defense an entry point into what you are studying, not as the end goal. Good luck!!!
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You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
| 1 | 11,450 | 1.5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6kbaf
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ih6z7r6
| 1,658,493,690 | 1,658,500,249 | 2 | 3 |
Good luck
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I felt the same way going into my diss defense - many things in the dissertation really needed more work. However, as others have noted, your dissertation advisor wouldn’t allow you to defend if you weren’t ready. Consider the dissertation and defense an entry point into what you are studying, not as the end goal. Good luck!!!
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih79u11
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ih698b0
| 1,658,504,425 | 1,658,487,245 | 3 | 2 |
So did you pass? Let us know!
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All the best
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih79u11
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ih6blf1
| 1,658,504,425 | 1,658,488,799 | 3 | 2 |
So did you pass? Let us know!
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You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
| 1 | 15,626 | 1.5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih6kbaf
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ih79u11
| 1,658,493,690 | 1,658,504,425 | 2 | 3 |
Good luck
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So did you pass? Let us know!
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih8ui54
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ih698b0
| 1,658,526,534 | 1,658,487,245 | 3 | 2 |
Imposter syndrome is a tough thing to beat. Congratulations - you earned it. Don’t be so tough on yourself next time :)
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All the best
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w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih8ui54
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ih6blf1
| 1,658,526,534 | 1,658,488,799 | 3 | 2 |
Imposter syndrome is a tough thing to beat. Congratulations - you earned it. Don’t be so tough on yourself next time :)
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You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
| 1 | 37,735 | 1.5 | ||
w57eop
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askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih8ui54
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ih6kbaf
| 1,658,526,534 | 1,658,493,690 | 3 | 2 |
Imposter syndrome is a tough thing to beat. Congratulations - you earned it. Don’t be so tough on yourself next time :)
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Good luck
| 1 | 32,844 | 1.5 | ||
w57eop
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih98e6y
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ih698b0
| 1,658,532,538 | 1,658,487,245 | 3 | 2 |
Congratulations! From my experience, when we are asked to judge a dissertation, it definitely helps if the data are good. On the other hand, no a single member of your committee hasn't had a project fail, or fail to replicate, or produce findings opposite of the hypotheses. Anyone with any sense of the history of science recognizes that even the most heralded, most esteemed of scientists has been proven wrong at some point. Newton? what an idiot. Einstein? sooo wrong. So what? What matters in a dissertation defense is to evaluate the candidate's preparation to go off and be wrong in interesting ways that will advance the field. Go off, make mistakes, get dirty, have fun!!
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All the best
| 1 | 45,293 | 1.5 | ||
w57eop
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih98e6y
|
ih6blf1
| 1,658,532,538 | 1,658,488,799 | 3 | 2 |
Congratulations! From my experience, when we are asked to judge a dissertation, it definitely helps if the data are good. On the other hand, no a single member of your committee hasn't had a project fail, or fail to replicate, or produce findings opposite of the hypotheses. Anyone with any sense of the history of science recognizes that even the most heralded, most esteemed of scientists has been proven wrong at some point. Newton? what an idiot. Einstein? sooo wrong. So what? What matters in a dissertation defense is to evaluate the candidate's preparation to go off and be wrong in interesting ways that will advance the field. Go off, make mistakes, get dirty, have fun!!
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You'll be highly valued in many industries beyond your current subject. Good luck with the defense and I hope it's a relief to have it finished.
| 1 | 43,739 | 1.5 | ||
w57eop
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
PhD defense in a few hours Just getting this off my chest. I'll defend in a few hours and genuinely think there is a big probability that I will fail. My thesis is an embarrassment to myself, my PI, and the field. Data is limited, analysis is very simple, conclusions are unclear. I could train a master student and the whole data collection could be completed in 2 months. The analysis approach is like the ones done in the 70s or 80s, product of a bygone era. I don't belong on the modern, cutting edge area of science. I have made peace (slightly) that it's ok if I fail. I will go back to my home country this weekend (will be expensive but I don't care anymore), leave science forever (imagine wanting to understand the brain lol, what a nerd), and start my life anew. I just don't want my family and closest friends see me differently if I fail.
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ih98e6y
|
ih6kbaf
| 1,658,532,538 | 1,658,493,690 | 3 | 2 |
Congratulations! From my experience, when we are asked to judge a dissertation, it definitely helps if the data are good. On the other hand, no a single member of your committee hasn't had a project fail, or fail to replicate, or produce findings opposite of the hypotheses. Anyone with any sense of the history of science recognizes that even the most heralded, most esteemed of scientists has been proven wrong at some point. Newton? what an idiot. Einstein? sooo wrong. So what? What matters in a dissertation defense is to evaluate the candidate's preparation to go off and be wrong in interesting ways that will advance the field. Go off, make mistakes, get dirty, have fun!!
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Good luck
| 1 | 38,848 | 1.5 | ||
si4h6d
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
How do you turn off the “academic” portion of your brain and just be a normal person? I’m always “on” and it’s not helping my relationships. Or is this just an occupational hazard?
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hv6isrq
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hv6sxmx
| 1,643,747,666 | 1,643,751,390 | 130 | 175 |
Get *really* into D&D and become a DM. That way, you'll have a hard time thinking about academia because you'll be too busy world building and annoying people with all the "cool lore" that means nothing to anyone but you, not even your players. Or, ya know, other hobbies. I guess.
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I just had a major surgery and the medication they give to ensure you don’t form memories is fat soluble. So I’m a week out and still wouldn’t be able to give an undergrad mechanics lecture, let alone explain my research. So I guess what I’m saying is go get an organ removed. Or at least take the drugs.
| 0 | 3,724 | 1.346154 | ||
si4h6d
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
How do you turn off the “academic” portion of your brain and just be a normal person? I’m always “on” and it’s not helping my relationships. Or is this just an occupational hazard?
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hv6nbt0
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hv6sxmx
| 1,643,749,337 | 1,643,751,390 | 58 | 175 |
I find it hard to turn off my academic side. My SO finds it difficult to turn off his sales side. We both listen to each other and learn new things all the time. I have figured out that if someone doesn't want to listen and invest their time in what you're passionate about, they are not worth it.
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I just had a major surgery and the medication they give to ensure you don’t form memories is fat soluble. So I’m a week out and still wouldn’t be able to give an undergrad mechanics lecture, let alone explain my research. So I guess what I’m saying is go get an organ removed. Or at least take the drugs.
| 0 | 2,053 | 3.017241 | ||
si4h6d
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
How do you turn off the “academic” portion of your brain and just be a normal person? I’m always “on” and it’s not helping my relationships. Or is this just an occupational hazard?
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hv6oa7g
|
hv6sxmx
| 1,643,749,687 | 1,643,751,390 | 36 | 175 |
I often tell myself after a conversation "you didn't need to explain it like that". I still laugh about it though.
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I just had a major surgery and the medication they give to ensure you don’t form memories is fat soluble. So I’m a week out and still wouldn’t be able to give an undergrad mechanics lecture, let alone explain my research. So I guess what I’m saying is go get an organ removed. Or at least take the drugs.
| 0 | 1,703 | 4.861111 | ||
si4h6d
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
How do you turn off the “academic” portion of your brain and just be a normal person? I’m always “on” and it’s not helping my relationships. Or is this just an occupational hazard?
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hv6sxmx
|
hv6ppqx
| 1,643,751,390 | 1,643,750,211 | 175 | 14 |
I just had a major surgery and the medication they give to ensure you don’t form memories is fat soluble. So I’m a week out and still wouldn’t be able to give an undergrad mechanics lecture, let alone explain my research. So I guess what I’m saying is go get an organ removed. Or at least take the drugs.
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This might be a bit of a faux pas but... w\*\*d helps
| 1 | 1,179 | 12.5 | ||
si4h6d
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askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
How do you turn off the “academic” portion of your brain and just be a normal person? I’m always “on” and it’s not helping my relationships. Or is this just an occupational hazard?
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hv6uu0q
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hv6nbt0
| 1,643,752,084 | 1,643,749,337 | 127 | 58 |
This is the struggle of an academic. I very regularly cannot sleep at night because I thought of a new study idea or that perfect opening sentence for my grant. I have a few tidbits of advice that have worked for me. 1. Keep a notebook with you at all times and when you have that idea write it down immediately or as soon as convenient. 2. Read for fun. I know this sounds silly, but it is so helpful for me to do some reading that isn’t on the subject I study or even better isn’t science at all. 3. Set and try to maintain specific boundaries on time. It’s important to have time dedicated to you, your partner, your friends, your family etc. 4. And in my experience most helpful, avoid talking about your academic pursuits. Keep it super short, unless the other person is super engaged in the conversation.
|
I find it hard to turn off my academic side. My SO finds it difficult to turn off his sales side. We both listen to each other and learn new things all the time. I have figured out that if someone doesn't want to listen and invest their time in what you're passionate about, they are not worth it.
| 1 | 2,747 | 2.189655 | ||
si4h6d
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
How do you turn off the “academic” portion of your brain and just be a normal person? I’m always “on” and it’s not helping my relationships. Or is this just an occupational hazard?
|
hv6oa7g
|
hv6uu0q
| 1,643,749,687 | 1,643,752,084 | 36 | 127 |
I often tell myself after a conversation "you didn't need to explain it like that". I still laugh about it though.
|
This is the struggle of an academic. I very regularly cannot sleep at night because I thought of a new study idea or that perfect opening sentence for my grant. I have a few tidbits of advice that have worked for me. 1. Keep a notebook with you at all times and when you have that idea write it down immediately or as soon as convenient. 2. Read for fun. I know this sounds silly, but it is so helpful for me to do some reading that isn’t on the subject I study or even better isn’t science at all. 3. Set and try to maintain specific boundaries on time. It’s important to have time dedicated to you, your partner, your friends, your family etc. 4. And in my experience most helpful, avoid talking about your academic pursuits. Keep it super short, unless the other person is super engaged in the conversation.
| 0 | 2,397 | 3.527778 |
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