post_id
stringlengths 5
7
| domain
stringclasses 69
values | upvote_ratio
float64 0.5
1
| history
stringlengths 11
39.7k
| c_root_id_A
stringlengths 7
7
| c_root_id_B
stringlengths 7
7
| created_at_utc_A
int64 1.27B
1.68B
| created_at_utc_B
int64 1.27B
1.68B
| score_A
int64 -644
43.5k
| score_B
int64 -2,846
43.5k
| human_ref_A
stringlengths 0
18k
| human_ref_B
stringlengths 0
13.6k
| labels
int64 0
1
| seconds_difference
float64 0
346M
| score_ratio
float64 -2,292
2.5M
| metadata_A
stringclasses 1
value | metadata_B
stringclasses 1
value |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
ldc0to
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Are you expected to work 60-70 hours a week in the academia? This is part rant and part question. I had an introductory meeting with about 15-16 other PhD students who had just started and the session included a question answer session with professors where anonymous questions could be asked. One individual, whose supervisor expected him to work weekends as well, asked the professors how he can politely tell his supervisor that this isnt right. The response of one of the professors was: "We are in this because we love science. If you don't want to work weekends, perhaps you do not love science and you do not belong here. If that is the case, you should leave." I was rather shocked. I admit that I do put in extra hours because I want to and have to because of my horrible productivity throughout the day. However, what was suggested by the "expert" was that it is basically compulsory to do this. Is that really what is expected in the Academia? Why is it like that? Why isn't mental and physical health given their due importance? Burn out is a thing.
|
gm61yj6
|
gm6qqpq
| 1,612,563,437 | 1,612,576,084 | 5 | 7 |
Yes. It is utterly toxic. I thought it was just my field until I got to know more people around academia and realized that it's even worse in the sciences because they really treat their students and post-docs like employees, except without the protections and mutual consent that ought to entail. It is a good thing to get a clear warning sign early on that researchers in many fields expect to exploit their students and employees and to talk and behave as if it's perfectly justified, and any objections are just a sign of some flaw. Obviously people who are thinking well realize that this mis-locates the flaws entirely. (Even knowing all this, it still has shocked me that throughout this pandemic, I have not gotten the impression that academics generally expect anything less from people lower in the hierarchy in terms of output- obviously an out-of-place notion in a well-functioning academy- than they would under normal circumstances. I know many people who were rightly barred from going to campus because of the virus but whose supervisors expressed judgment and disappointment that they had gotten less lab work done this past year...) To be clear, none of this is compulsory or mandatory, and in fact we all may have some sort of obligation to resist these pressures, but you should recognize that the expectation is there and it will not be easy to carve out a more healthy life for yourself. Edited to add: I'm in the U.S and am speaking mostly about my experience with people in the English-speaking world.
|
I worked 40 hours per week, all through grad school (unless I had a HUGE deadline). I got some judgement for it, but honestly, my productivity was higher than many of the people who “worked” more hours. I simply was efficient with my time because I was balanced and well rested. All this to say, it’s a job to me. I personally don’t feel like I owe the academy all my hours and happiness.
| 0 | 12,647 | 1.4 | ||
ldc0to
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Are you expected to work 60-70 hours a week in the academia? This is part rant and part question. I had an introductory meeting with about 15-16 other PhD students who had just started and the session included a question answer session with professors where anonymous questions could be asked. One individual, whose supervisor expected him to work weekends as well, asked the professors how he can politely tell his supervisor that this isnt right. The response of one of the professors was: "We are in this because we love science. If you don't want to work weekends, perhaps you do not love science and you do not belong here. If that is the case, you should leave." I was rather shocked. I admit that I do put in extra hours because I want to and have to because of my horrible productivity throughout the day. However, what was suggested by the "expert" was that it is basically compulsory to do this. Is that really what is expected in the Academia? Why is it like that? Why isn't mental and physical health given their due importance? Burn out is a thing.
|
gm6qqpq
|
gm5qe44
| 1,612,576,084 | 1,612,558,087 | 7 | 5 |
I worked 40 hours per week, all through grad school (unless I had a HUGE deadline). I got some judgement for it, but honestly, my productivity was higher than many of the people who “worked” more hours. I simply was efficient with my time because I was balanced and well rested. All this to say, it’s a job to me. I personally don’t feel like I owe the academy all my hours and happiness.
|
You don't have to work 60-70 hours a week but a lot of your peers will. When it is time to look for jobs you may not be as competitive as your peers who put in the extra hours.
| 1 | 17,997 | 1.4 | ||
ldc0to
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Are you expected to work 60-70 hours a week in the academia? This is part rant and part question. I had an introductory meeting with about 15-16 other PhD students who had just started and the session included a question answer session with professors where anonymous questions could be asked. One individual, whose supervisor expected him to work weekends as well, asked the professors how he can politely tell his supervisor that this isnt right. The response of one of the professors was: "We are in this because we love science. If you don't want to work weekends, perhaps you do not love science and you do not belong here. If that is the case, you should leave." I was rather shocked. I admit that I do put in extra hours because I want to and have to because of my horrible productivity throughout the day. However, what was suggested by the "expert" was that it is basically compulsory to do this. Is that really what is expected in the Academia? Why is it like that? Why isn't mental and physical health given their due importance? Burn out is a thing.
|
gm6djfl
|
gm6qqpq
| 1,612,569,151 | 1,612,576,084 | 3 | 7 |
You are measured on product, not effort.
|
I worked 40 hours per week, all through grad school (unless I had a HUGE deadline). I got some judgement for it, but honestly, my productivity was higher than many of the people who “worked” more hours. I simply was efficient with my time because I was balanced and well rested. All this to say, it’s a job to me. I personally don’t feel like I owe the academy all my hours and happiness.
| 0 | 6,933 | 2.333333 | ||
ldc0to
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Are you expected to work 60-70 hours a week in the academia? This is part rant and part question. I had an introductory meeting with about 15-16 other PhD students who had just started and the session included a question answer session with professors where anonymous questions could be asked. One individual, whose supervisor expected him to work weekends as well, asked the professors how he can politely tell his supervisor that this isnt right. The response of one of the professors was: "We are in this because we love science. If you don't want to work weekends, perhaps you do not love science and you do not belong here. If that is the case, you should leave." I was rather shocked. I admit that I do put in extra hours because I want to and have to because of my horrible productivity throughout the day. However, what was suggested by the "expert" was that it is basically compulsory to do this. Is that really what is expected in the Academia? Why is it like that? Why isn't mental and physical health given their due importance? Burn out is a thing.
|
gm6qqpq
|
gm4y3cm
| 1,612,576,084 | 1,612,545,888 | 7 | 3 |
I worked 40 hours per week, all through grad school (unless I had a HUGE deadline). I got some judgement for it, but honestly, my productivity was higher than many of the people who “worked” more hours. I simply was efficient with my time because I was balanced and well rested. All this to say, it’s a job to me. I personally don’t feel like I owe the academy all my hours and happiness.
|
I think it’s not fair. But, yea, I think it is expected. And, if you don’t, you probably won’t be competitive in the job market (unless your productivity is so high that you can compete with people that work all the time). Even if you work weekend and holidays, I still don’t think you are guarantee a job. I am not a PhD yet, so take it with a grain of salt.
| 1 | 30,196 | 2.333333 | ||
ldc0to
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Are you expected to work 60-70 hours a week in the academia? This is part rant and part question. I had an introductory meeting with about 15-16 other PhD students who had just started and the session included a question answer session with professors where anonymous questions could be asked. One individual, whose supervisor expected him to work weekends as well, asked the professors how he can politely tell his supervisor that this isnt right. The response of one of the professors was: "We are in this because we love science. If you don't want to work weekends, perhaps you do not love science and you do not belong here. If that is the case, you should leave." I was rather shocked. I admit that I do put in extra hours because I want to and have to because of my horrible productivity throughout the day. However, what was suggested by the "expert" was that it is basically compulsory to do this. Is that really what is expected in the Academia? Why is it like that? Why isn't mental and physical health given their due importance? Burn out is a thing.
|
gm4y3cm
|
gm5k8t5
| 1,612,545,888 | 1,612,555,343 | 3 | 5 |
I think it’s not fair. But, yea, I think it is expected. And, if you don’t, you probably won’t be competitive in the job market (unless your productivity is so high that you can compete with people that work all the time). Even if you work weekend and holidays, I still don’t think you are guarantee a job. I am not a PhD yet, so take it with a grain of salt.
|
The problem is that you're expected to finish too much work all the time. Even though you have a contract and it tells 45 hours work, there is no way to finish what you're asked to in that period. PIs don't officially tell that since they might face some problems with the administration. They just overcome it by pushing you more and more in each time. In my opinion it is best to have boundaries from the beginning. I don't and can't work that much for a long period, it would burn me out.
| 0 | 9,455 | 1.666667 | ||
ldc0to
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Are you expected to work 60-70 hours a week in the academia? This is part rant and part question. I had an introductory meeting with about 15-16 other PhD students who had just started and the session included a question answer session with professors where anonymous questions could be asked. One individual, whose supervisor expected him to work weekends as well, asked the professors how he can politely tell his supervisor that this isnt right. The response of one of the professors was: "We are in this because we love science. If you don't want to work weekends, perhaps you do not love science and you do not belong here. If that is the case, you should leave." I was rather shocked. I admit that I do put in extra hours because I want to and have to because of my horrible productivity throughout the day. However, what was suggested by the "expert" was that it is basically compulsory to do this. Is that really what is expected in the Academia? Why is it like that? Why isn't mental and physical health given their due importance? Burn out is a thing.
|
gm4y3cm
|
gm5l5yj
| 1,612,545,888 | 1,612,555,750 | 3 | 5 |
I think it’s not fair. But, yea, I think it is expected. And, if you don’t, you probably won’t be competitive in the job market (unless your productivity is so high that you can compete with people that work all the time). Even if you work weekend and holidays, I still don’t think you are guarantee a job. I am not a PhD yet, so take it with a grain of salt.
|
Simple fact is, job searches in academia are competitive to an utterly dysfunctional degree. If you don't put in those hours, you will be stacking up against a handful to dozens/hundreds of other applicants whose qualifications match or exceed your own, and have put in that extra time. Who do you think is going to win out 999 times out of 1,000?
| 0 | 9,862 | 1.666667 | ||
ldc0to
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Are you expected to work 60-70 hours a week in the academia? This is part rant and part question. I had an introductory meeting with about 15-16 other PhD students who had just started and the session included a question answer session with professors where anonymous questions could be asked. One individual, whose supervisor expected him to work weekends as well, asked the professors how he can politely tell his supervisor that this isnt right. The response of one of the professors was: "We are in this because we love science. If you don't want to work weekends, perhaps you do not love science and you do not belong here. If that is the case, you should leave." I was rather shocked. I admit that I do put in extra hours because I want to and have to because of my horrible productivity throughout the day. However, what was suggested by the "expert" was that it is basically compulsory to do this. Is that really what is expected in the Academia? Why is it like that? Why isn't mental and physical health given their due importance? Burn out is a thing.
|
gm4y3cm
|
gm61yj6
| 1,612,545,888 | 1,612,563,437 | 3 | 5 |
I think it’s not fair. But, yea, I think it is expected. And, if you don’t, you probably won’t be competitive in the job market (unless your productivity is so high that you can compete with people that work all the time). Even if you work weekend and holidays, I still don’t think you are guarantee a job. I am not a PhD yet, so take it with a grain of salt.
|
Yes. It is utterly toxic. I thought it was just my field until I got to know more people around academia and realized that it's even worse in the sciences because they really treat their students and post-docs like employees, except without the protections and mutual consent that ought to entail. It is a good thing to get a clear warning sign early on that researchers in many fields expect to exploit their students and employees and to talk and behave as if it's perfectly justified, and any objections are just a sign of some flaw. Obviously people who are thinking well realize that this mis-locates the flaws entirely. (Even knowing all this, it still has shocked me that throughout this pandemic, I have not gotten the impression that academics generally expect anything less from people lower in the hierarchy in terms of output- obviously an out-of-place notion in a well-functioning academy- than they would under normal circumstances. I know many people who were rightly barred from going to campus because of the virus but whose supervisors expressed judgment and disappointment that they had gotten less lab work done this past year...) To be clear, none of this is compulsory or mandatory, and in fact we all may have some sort of obligation to resist these pressures, but you should recognize that the expectation is there and it will not be easy to carve out a more healthy life for yourself. Edited to add: I'm in the U.S and am speaking mostly about my experience with people in the English-speaking world.
| 0 | 17,549 | 1.666667 | ||
ldc0to
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Are you expected to work 60-70 hours a week in the academia? This is part rant and part question. I had an introductory meeting with about 15-16 other PhD students who had just started and the session included a question answer session with professors where anonymous questions could be asked. One individual, whose supervisor expected him to work weekends as well, asked the professors how he can politely tell his supervisor that this isnt right. The response of one of the professors was: "We are in this because we love science. If you don't want to work weekends, perhaps you do not love science and you do not belong here. If that is the case, you should leave." I was rather shocked. I admit that I do put in extra hours because I want to and have to because of my horrible productivity throughout the day. However, what was suggested by the "expert" was that it is basically compulsory to do this. Is that really what is expected in the Academia? Why is it like that? Why isn't mental and physical health given their due importance? Burn out is a thing.
|
gm5qe44
|
gm4y3cm
| 1,612,558,087 | 1,612,545,888 | 5 | 3 |
You don't have to work 60-70 hours a week but a lot of your peers will. When it is time to look for jobs you may not be as competitive as your peers who put in the extra hours.
|
I think it’s not fair. But, yea, I think it is expected. And, if you don’t, you probably won’t be competitive in the job market (unless your productivity is so high that you can compete with people that work all the time). Even if you work weekend and holidays, I still don’t think you are guarantee a job. I am not a PhD yet, so take it with a grain of salt.
| 1 | 12,199 | 1.666667 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjlmx2o
|
gjlnij5
| 1,610,897,526 | 1,610,897,675 | 54 | 56 |
Absolutely. The fact that Prager University continues to label itself as such despite a lack of accreditation or integrity—both academically and otherwise—is disturbing.
|
These regulations exist by state. To even use the word school in texas, you have to show your graduates get jobs in the field they studied.
| 0 | 149 | 1.037037 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjlrfrf
|
gjlucin
| 1,610,898,694 | 1,610,899,556 | 8 | 53 |
I was under the impression that it is already restricted?
|
You mean my degree in Hamburgerology from Hamburger University isn’t accredited?
| 0 | 862 | 6.625 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjm1qw5
|
gjlrfrf
| 1,610,901,470 | 1,610,898,694 | 53 | 8 |
Yes. Case and point: Trump University.
|
I was under the impression that it is already restricted?
| 1 | 2,776 | 6.625 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjmyxy4
|
gjlrfrf
| 1,610,911,377 | 1,610,898,694 | 13 | 8 |
Yes, but my bigger complaint is actual colleges and universities behaving like for-profits
|
I was under the impression that it is already restricted?
| 1 | 12,683 | 1.625 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjmmz3i
|
gjmyxy4
| 1,610,907,359 | 1,610,911,377 | 5 | 13 |
I’m a researcher currently looking into a type of technical training programming in my field in the US. Our PI has us including for-profit universities which just crawls all over my ass. It is very clear in my field (education) that those places are not at all interested in helping students develop any sort of deeper level thinking about the field or the work. It’s all “call and response” type of training, when what education needs is learning to critically think and to create environments that meet the needs of every student. I truly think those places do not deserve to be called universities. However, this is the future. Just look at what is happening with the consolidation of community colleges into one state wide school. The bad far outweighs the good.
|
Yes, but my bigger complaint is actual colleges and universities behaving like for-profits
| 0 | 4,018 | 2.6 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjmyxy4
|
gjmwolz
| 1,610,911,377 | 1,610,910,519 | 13 | 2 |
Yes, but my bigger complaint is actual colleges and universities behaving like for-profits
|
Trump University springs to mind.
| 1 | 858 | 6.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjlrfrf
|
gjnv516
| 1,610,898,694 | 1,610,925,900 | 8 | 12 |
I was under the impression that it is already restricted?
|
I'd be happy enough if a bunch of universities admitted that they're just research labs and football clubs that offer a few classes to maintain the fiction that they're educational institutions. That said, yes I think it was criminal that Trump University was allowed to market itself as such.
| 0 | 27,206 | 1.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjnv516
|
gjmmz3i
| 1,610,925,900 | 1,610,907,359 | 12 | 5 |
I'd be happy enough if a bunch of universities admitted that they're just research labs and football clubs that offer a few classes to maintain the fiction that they're educational institutions. That said, yes I think it was criminal that Trump University was allowed to market itself as such.
|
I’m a researcher currently looking into a type of technical training programming in my field in the US. Our PI has us including for-profit universities which just crawls all over my ass. It is very clear in my field (education) that those places are not at all interested in helping students develop any sort of deeper level thinking about the field or the work. It’s all “call and response” type of training, when what education needs is learning to critically think and to create environments that meet the needs of every student. I truly think those places do not deserve to be called universities. However, this is the future. Just look at what is happening with the consolidation of community colleges into one state wide school. The bad far outweighs the good.
| 1 | 18,541 | 2.4 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjnv516
|
gjndfrw
| 1,610,925,900 | 1,610,917,934 | 12 | 3 |
I'd be happy enough if a bunch of universities admitted that they're just research labs and football clubs that offer a few classes to maintain the fiction that they're educational institutions. That said, yes I think it was criminal that Trump University was allowed to market itself as such.
|
Trump University
| 1 | 7,966 | 4 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjnv516
|
gjmwolz
| 1,610,925,900 | 1,610,910,519 | 12 | 2 |
I'd be happy enough if a bunch of universities admitted that they're just research labs and football clubs that offer a few classes to maintain the fiction that they're educational institutions. That said, yes I think it was criminal that Trump University was allowed to market itself as such.
|
Trump University springs to mind.
| 1 | 15,381 | 6 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjn4rr2
|
gjnv516
| 1,610,913,793 | 1,610,925,900 | 2 | 12 |
Subway's sandwich university
|
I'd be happy enough if a bunch of universities admitted that they're just research labs and football clubs that offer a few classes to maintain the fiction that they're educational institutions. That said, yes I think it was criminal that Trump University was allowed to market itself as such.
| 0 | 12,107 | 6 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjnv516
|
gjnku1b
| 1,610,925,900 | 1,610,921,213 | 12 | 2 |
I'd be happy enough if a bunch of universities admitted that they're just research labs and football clubs that offer a few classes to maintain the fiction that they're educational institutions. That said, yes I think it was criminal that Trump University was allowed to market itself as such.
|
I 💯 agree. These are money pits that undermine the efforts of actual accredited institutions that abide by academic principles. These institutions set precedent not only for HE administration, but also education from content (where content is pushed on faculty through guide of "ed tech") to the value of instructors faculty.
| 1 | 4,687 | 6 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjmmz3i
|
gjo5kxq
| 1,610,907,359 | 1,610,931,325 | 5 | 7 |
I’m a researcher currently looking into a type of technical training programming in my field in the US. Our PI has us including for-profit universities which just crawls all over my ass. It is very clear in my field (education) that those places are not at all interested in helping students develop any sort of deeper level thinking about the field or the work. It’s all “call and response” type of training, when what education needs is learning to critically think and to create environments that meet the needs of every student. I truly think those places do not deserve to be called universities. However, this is the future. Just look at what is happening with the consolidation of community colleges into one state wide school. The bad far outweighs the good.
|
In the UK the word University is a protected term. Vast vast majority are publicly funded institutions and the for-profit ones are all crap.
| 0 | 23,966 | 1.4 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjo5kxq
|
gjndfrw
| 1,610,931,325 | 1,610,917,934 | 7 | 3 |
In the UK the word University is a protected term. Vast vast majority are publicly funded institutions and the for-profit ones are all crap.
|
Trump University
| 1 | 13,391 | 2.333333 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjmwolz
|
gjo5kxq
| 1,610,910,519 | 1,610,931,325 | 2 | 7 |
Trump University springs to mind.
|
In the UK the word University is a protected term. Vast vast majority are publicly funded institutions and the for-profit ones are all crap.
| 0 | 20,806 | 3.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjo5kxq
|
gjn4rr2
| 1,610,931,325 | 1,610,913,793 | 7 | 2 |
In the UK the word University is a protected term. Vast vast majority are publicly funded institutions and the for-profit ones are all crap.
|
Subway's sandwich university
| 1 | 17,532 | 3.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjnku1b
|
gjo5kxq
| 1,610,921,213 | 1,610,931,325 | 2 | 7 |
I 💯 agree. These are money pits that undermine the efforts of actual accredited institutions that abide by academic principles. These institutions set precedent not only for HE administration, but also education from content (where content is pushed on faculty through guide of "ed tech") to the value of instructors faculty.
|
In the UK the word University is a protected term. Vast vast majority are publicly funded institutions and the for-profit ones are all crap.
| 0 | 10,112 | 3.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjndfrw
|
gjo838i
| 1,610,917,934 | 1,610,932,659 | 3 | 5 |
Trump University
|
In America cash is king they literally don’t give a fuck about you or anyone. Everything is a business and they will push you down the stairs if it means profit.
| 0 | 14,725 | 1.666667 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjmwolz
|
gjo838i
| 1,610,910,519 | 1,610,932,659 | 2 | 5 |
Trump University springs to mind.
|
In America cash is king they literally don’t give a fuck about you or anyone. Everything is a business and they will push you down the stairs if it means profit.
| 0 | 22,140 | 2.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjo838i
|
gjn4rr2
| 1,610,932,659 | 1,610,913,793 | 5 | 2 |
In America cash is king they literally don’t give a fuck about you or anyone. Everything is a business and they will push you down the stairs if it means profit.
|
Subway's sandwich university
| 1 | 18,866 | 2.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjo838i
|
gjnku1b
| 1,610,932,659 | 1,610,921,213 | 5 | 2 |
In America cash is king they literally don’t give a fuck about you or anyone. Everything is a business and they will push you down the stairs if it means profit.
|
I 💯 agree. These are money pits that undermine the efforts of actual accredited institutions that abide by academic principles. These institutions set precedent not only for HE administration, but also education from content (where content is pushed on faculty through guide of "ed tech") to the value of instructors faculty.
| 1 | 11,446 | 2.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjmwolz
|
gjndfrw
| 1,610,910,519 | 1,610,917,934 | 2 | 3 |
Trump University springs to mind.
|
Trump University
| 0 | 7,415 | 1.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjn4rr2
|
gjndfrw
| 1,610,913,793 | 1,610,917,934 | 2 | 3 |
Subway's sandwich university
|
Trump University
| 0 | 4,141 | 1.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjp9qqt
|
gjmwolz
| 1,610,956,775 | 1,610,910,519 | 3 | 2 |
Especially all these For-Profit colleges that only cheapen the whole idea of University. As someone said, real universities should not be businesses. Otherwise you end up with things like Trump University.
|
Trump University springs to mind.
| 1 | 46,256 | 1.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjn4rr2
|
gjp9qqt
| 1,610,913,793 | 1,610,956,775 | 2 | 3 |
Subway's sandwich university
|
Especially all these For-Profit colleges that only cheapen the whole idea of University. As someone said, real universities should not be businesses. Otherwise you end up with things like Trump University.
| 0 | 42,982 | 1.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjp9qqt
|
gjnku1b
| 1,610,956,775 | 1,610,921,213 | 3 | 2 |
Especially all these For-Profit colleges that only cheapen the whole idea of University. As someone said, real universities should not be businesses. Otherwise you end up with things like Trump University.
|
I 💯 agree. These are money pits that undermine the efforts of actual accredited institutions that abide by academic principles. These institutions set precedent not only for HE administration, but also education from content (where content is pushed on faculty through guide of "ed tech") to the value of instructors faculty.
| 1 | 35,562 | 1.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjonrl1
|
gjp9qqt
| 1,610,941,090 | 1,610,956,775 | 2 | 3 |
Private universities should be illegal. They have no place in a democratic society, and only further inequality.
|
Especially all these For-Profit colleges that only cheapen the whole idea of University. As someone said, real universities should not be businesses. Otherwise you end up with things like Trump University.
| 0 | 15,685 | 1.5 | ||
kz6x73
|
askacademia_train
| 0.97 |
Does anyone else think that there should be more restrictions on anything calling itself a university or college? Examples: Lowe's University, Prager University, and so on. Even things adding U after their name to imply University. Should businesses not be allowed to use the word University or U (when implying University) or College?
|
gjp9qqt
|
gjoqvse
| 1,610,956,775 | 1,610,942,972 | 3 | 2 |
Especially all these For-Profit colleges that only cheapen the whole idea of University. As someone said, real universities should not be businesses. Otherwise you end up with things like Trump University.
|
I agree with you. I attended a uni that was founded in the 1800s. UofPhoenix and the like piss me right the fuck off.
| 1 | 13,803 | 1.5 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2r6dpf
|
h2r6nmo
| 1,624,445,486 | 1,624,445,718 | 53 | 316 |
Can you talk to the department head? I'm not sure if you are in the group or a professor (i.e., sort of subordinate vs an equal colleague?).
|
this isn't something that you should be expected to manage on your own. talk to her line manager about your concerns - dean, head of school, whatever it is there for you. approaching this and working to find solutions is their problem, not yours. lastly, these are very valid concerns and you are 100% justified in approaching a higher-up about them. you might been guilty like you are tattling, but things are dysfunctional right now and it is affecting the work environment, and by taking appropriate measures in a professional way, you are doing the right thing.
| 0 | 232 | 5.962264 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2r7rs3
|
h2rh41a
| 1,624,446,622 | 1,624,452,968 | 92 | 107 |
Everyone needs to print their emails and present them as evidence to the dept chair and if necessary the dean.
|
Sorry for the long answer, but I have been in a similar situation. My graduate advisor was older, and had always been famously difficult to work with. While prickly and not great at communicating, the first few years were managable. During the last two years of my degree, she became unbelievably difficult to work with. She would disappear for weeks at a time and when she resurfaced she would send incoherent emails, she never provided any feedback on research and clearly was not keeping up with the literature, she would miss important deadlines and come up with wild, implausible excuses as to why - a couple of times I went to her house (she lived alone), and I found her front door open, or other things very out of place. Lots of concerning things, and I firmly believe she had dementia. She ended up retiring before I finished my degree (while I was doing my dissertation research abroad, and she didn't even officially tell me) and I finished with her as my chair but as an emeritus professor. No one ever directly addressed her health, but I had multiple meetings with my other committee members and department chair before defending where it was made clear to me that she would not be an obstacle in me finishing my degree. I also had committee members tell me they would step in and write letters of recommendation (it was not *directly* addressed as to why I would need that) and other such offers that made it clear to me that everyone was aware of the situation. I finished up one paper with her after I graduated, but after that I moved on and found more reliable people to work with. At the time it made me absolutely crazy and I could not believe everyone would just let her behave like that, but looking back, I think it was actually handled with a fair amount of grace. She retired (I never got an answer as to whether she was forced to or decided herself she needed to), the department made sure I completed my degree, and my committee helped me get a job. I would suggest you reach out to the other people she works with and discuss the situation without being to explicit before going to any higher ups. Bring evidence of her behavior with you if you do go to the dean, but only show it if it becomes clear that they are unaware of the behavior (I always had the emails/ texts/ etc. of her communication with me for meetings with other people, but never needed to show them). Figure out which of her students can finish their research with her minimal envolvement, and who may need to transition research groups. If you can, try to finish up or disentangle all of your own research collaborations with her and then cut ties. Also, if you are in a position, think about her current students and if you can offer to be references for them. It was incredibly valuable for me to have other people to step in and write recommendations when she could/ would not. Hope this helps!
| 0 | 6,346 | 1.163043 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2r7i8y
|
h2rh41a
| 1,624,446,413 | 1,624,452,968 | 75 | 107 |
Since there's a huge difference between burn out and Alzheimer's but both require help, you or someone else needs to ask her how she's doing. "How've you been lately? You haven't quite seemed yourself. Feel like you're up for talking to someone?" That shows others have seen a problem without triggering the defensiveness that comes with questioning the mental health of a person whose identity is tied to high intelligence (professor, lawyer, doctor, etc.). It's not the best idea to make guesses about someone's health, let alone tell them your guesses. But it's appropriate to tell them you've seen a change and may want to seek medical or professional advice if they too think it's affecting their work.
|
Sorry for the long answer, but I have been in a similar situation. My graduate advisor was older, and had always been famously difficult to work with. While prickly and not great at communicating, the first few years were managable. During the last two years of my degree, she became unbelievably difficult to work with. She would disappear for weeks at a time and when she resurfaced she would send incoherent emails, she never provided any feedback on research and clearly was not keeping up with the literature, she would miss important deadlines and come up with wild, implausible excuses as to why - a couple of times I went to her house (she lived alone), and I found her front door open, or other things very out of place. Lots of concerning things, and I firmly believe she had dementia. She ended up retiring before I finished my degree (while I was doing my dissertation research abroad, and she didn't even officially tell me) and I finished with her as my chair but as an emeritus professor. No one ever directly addressed her health, but I had multiple meetings with my other committee members and department chair before defending where it was made clear to me that she would not be an obstacle in me finishing my degree. I also had committee members tell me they would step in and write letters of recommendation (it was not *directly* addressed as to why I would need that) and other such offers that made it clear to me that everyone was aware of the situation. I finished up one paper with her after I graduated, but after that I moved on and found more reliable people to work with. At the time it made me absolutely crazy and I could not believe everyone would just let her behave like that, but looking back, I think it was actually handled with a fair amount of grace. She retired (I never got an answer as to whether she was forced to or decided herself she needed to), the department made sure I completed my degree, and my committee helped me get a job. I would suggest you reach out to the other people she works with and discuss the situation without being to explicit before going to any higher ups. Bring evidence of her behavior with you if you do go to the dean, but only show it if it becomes clear that they are unaware of the behavior (I always had the emails/ texts/ etc. of her communication with me for meetings with other people, but never needed to show them). Figure out which of her students can finish their research with her minimal envolvement, and who may need to transition research groups. If you can, try to finish up or disentangle all of your own research collaborations with her and then cut ties. Also, if you are in a position, think about her current students and if you can offer to be references for them. It was incredibly valuable for me to have other people to step in and write recommendations when she could/ would not. Hope this helps!
| 0 | 6,555 | 1.426667 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2r6dpf
|
h2rh41a
| 1,624,445,486 | 1,624,452,968 | 53 | 107 |
Can you talk to the department head? I'm not sure if you are in the group or a professor (i.e., sort of subordinate vs an equal colleague?).
|
Sorry for the long answer, but I have been in a similar situation. My graduate advisor was older, and had always been famously difficult to work with. While prickly and not great at communicating, the first few years were managable. During the last two years of my degree, she became unbelievably difficult to work with. She would disappear for weeks at a time and when she resurfaced she would send incoherent emails, she never provided any feedback on research and clearly was not keeping up with the literature, she would miss important deadlines and come up with wild, implausible excuses as to why - a couple of times I went to her house (she lived alone), and I found her front door open, or other things very out of place. Lots of concerning things, and I firmly believe she had dementia. She ended up retiring before I finished my degree (while I was doing my dissertation research abroad, and she didn't even officially tell me) and I finished with her as my chair but as an emeritus professor. No one ever directly addressed her health, but I had multiple meetings with my other committee members and department chair before defending where it was made clear to me that she would not be an obstacle in me finishing my degree. I also had committee members tell me they would step in and write letters of recommendation (it was not *directly* addressed as to why I would need that) and other such offers that made it clear to me that everyone was aware of the situation. I finished up one paper with her after I graduated, but after that I moved on and found more reliable people to work with. At the time it made me absolutely crazy and I could not believe everyone would just let her behave like that, but looking back, I think it was actually handled with a fair amount of grace. She retired (I never got an answer as to whether she was forced to or decided herself she needed to), the department made sure I completed my degree, and my committee helped me get a job. I would suggest you reach out to the other people she works with and discuss the situation without being to explicit before going to any higher ups. Bring evidence of her behavior with you if you do go to the dean, but only show it if it becomes clear that they are unaware of the behavior (I always had the emails/ texts/ etc. of her communication with me for meetings with other people, but never needed to show them). Figure out which of her students can finish their research with her minimal envolvement, and who may need to transition research groups. If you can, try to finish up or disentangle all of your own research collaborations with her and then cut ties. Also, if you are in a position, think about her current students and if you can offer to be references for them. It was incredibly valuable for me to have other people to step in and write recommendations when she could/ would not. Hope this helps!
| 0 | 7,482 | 2.018868 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2r8fy1
|
h2rh41a
| 1,624,447,159 | 1,624,452,968 | 39 | 107 |
Talk with someone about it, but don't call it dementia. You aren't in a position to make that assessment - it's like armchair diagnosing of any other mental illness. Completely valid to discuss the disruptive behavior, though. Fwiw, I have a collaborator who is a pain to work with who has always been the way you describe this person - more in times when they are very busy - and it's just their personality as far as I know. Rude, imperious, can't be bothered to stay up to date with what's going on with the project, hopelessly ill-informed, doesn't understand any of our research methods. It makes me think they got into academia at a time when standards were much lower, but I wouldn't make the leap to dementia. There are so many issues someone can have.
|
Sorry for the long answer, but I have been in a similar situation. My graduate advisor was older, and had always been famously difficult to work with. While prickly and not great at communicating, the first few years were managable. During the last two years of my degree, she became unbelievably difficult to work with. She would disappear for weeks at a time and when she resurfaced she would send incoherent emails, she never provided any feedback on research and clearly was not keeping up with the literature, she would miss important deadlines and come up with wild, implausible excuses as to why - a couple of times I went to her house (she lived alone), and I found her front door open, or other things very out of place. Lots of concerning things, and I firmly believe she had dementia. She ended up retiring before I finished my degree (while I was doing my dissertation research abroad, and she didn't even officially tell me) and I finished with her as my chair but as an emeritus professor. No one ever directly addressed her health, but I had multiple meetings with my other committee members and department chair before defending where it was made clear to me that she would not be an obstacle in me finishing my degree. I also had committee members tell me they would step in and write letters of recommendation (it was not *directly* addressed as to why I would need that) and other such offers that made it clear to me that everyone was aware of the situation. I finished up one paper with her after I graduated, but after that I moved on and found more reliable people to work with. At the time it made me absolutely crazy and I could not believe everyone would just let her behave like that, but looking back, I think it was actually handled with a fair amount of grace. She retired (I never got an answer as to whether she was forced to or decided herself she needed to), the department made sure I completed my degree, and my committee helped me get a job. I would suggest you reach out to the other people she works with and discuss the situation without being to explicit before going to any higher ups. Bring evidence of her behavior with you if you do go to the dean, but only show it if it becomes clear that they are unaware of the behavior (I always had the emails/ texts/ etc. of her communication with me for meetings with other people, but never needed to show them). Figure out which of her students can finish their research with her minimal envolvement, and who may need to transition research groups. If you can, try to finish up or disentangle all of your own research collaborations with her and then cut ties. Also, if you are in a position, think about her current students and if you can offer to be references for them. It was incredibly valuable for me to have other people to step in and write recommendations when she could/ would not. Hope this helps!
| 0 | 5,809 | 2.74359 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2rh41a
|
h2r80bh
| 1,624,452,968 | 1,624,446,812 | 107 | 22 |
Sorry for the long answer, but I have been in a similar situation. My graduate advisor was older, and had always been famously difficult to work with. While prickly and not great at communicating, the first few years were managable. During the last two years of my degree, she became unbelievably difficult to work with. She would disappear for weeks at a time and when she resurfaced she would send incoherent emails, she never provided any feedback on research and clearly was not keeping up with the literature, she would miss important deadlines and come up with wild, implausible excuses as to why - a couple of times I went to her house (she lived alone), and I found her front door open, or other things very out of place. Lots of concerning things, and I firmly believe she had dementia. She ended up retiring before I finished my degree (while I was doing my dissertation research abroad, and she didn't even officially tell me) and I finished with her as my chair but as an emeritus professor. No one ever directly addressed her health, but I had multiple meetings with my other committee members and department chair before defending where it was made clear to me that she would not be an obstacle in me finishing my degree. I also had committee members tell me they would step in and write letters of recommendation (it was not *directly* addressed as to why I would need that) and other such offers that made it clear to me that everyone was aware of the situation. I finished up one paper with her after I graduated, but after that I moved on and found more reliable people to work with. At the time it made me absolutely crazy and I could not believe everyone would just let her behave like that, but looking back, I think it was actually handled with a fair amount of grace. She retired (I never got an answer as to whether she was forced to or decided herself she needed to), the department made sure I completed my degree, and my committee helped me get a job. I would suggest you reach out to the other people she works with and discuss the situation without being to explicit before going to any higher ups. Bring evidence of her behavior with you if you do go to the dean, but only show it if it becomes clear that they are unaware of the behavior (I always had the emails/ texts/ etc. of her communication with me for meetings with other people, but never needed to show them). Figure out which of her students can finish their research with her minimal envolvement, and who may need to transition research groups. If you can, try to finish up or disentangle all of your own research collaborations with her and then cut ties. Also, if you are in a position, think about her current students and if you can offer to be references for them. It was incredibly valuable for me to have other people to step in and write recommendations when she could/ would not. Hope this helps!
|
1. Talk to her as a human being, try to make her feel comfortable and not attacked in a professional space. 2. However, indicate that lots of people have noticed a significant change in behavior. 3. Only approach higher authority if the situation does not change at all or if she completely refuses to acknowledge any misgivings. 4. It might sound silly, but a friend of mine had a similar experience with a boss who has probably alcoholism.
| 1 | 6,156 | 4.863636 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2rh41a
|
h2rdhg7
| 1,624,452,968 | 1,624,450,788 | 107 | 20 |
Sorry for the long answer, but I have been in a similar situation. My graduate advisor was older, and had always been famously difficult to work with. While prickly and not great at communicating, the first few years were managable. During the last two years of my degree, she became unbelievably difficult to work with. She would disappear for weeks at a time and when she resurfaced she would send incoherent emails, she never provided any feedback on research and clearly was not keeping up with the literature, she would miss important deadlines and come up with wild, implausible excuses as to why - a couple of times I went to her house (she lived alone), and I found her front door open, or other things very out of place. Lots of concerning things, and I firmly believe she had dementia. She ended up retiring before I finished my degree (while I was doing my dissertation research abroad, and she didn't even officially tell me) and I finished with her as my chair but as an emeritus professor. No one ever directly addressed her health, but I had multiple meetings with my other committee members and department chair before defending where it was made clear to me that she would not be an obstacle in me finishing my degree. I also had committee members tell me they would step in and write letters of recommendation (it was not *directly* addressed as to why I would need that) and other such offers that made it clear to me that everyone was aware of the situation. I finished up one paper with her after I graduated, but after that I moved on and found more reliable people to work with. At the time it made me absolutely crazy and I could not believe everyone would just let her behave like that, but looking back, I think it was actually handled with a fair amount of grace. She retired (I never got an answer as to whether she was forced to or decided herself she needed to), the department made sure I completed my degree, and my committee helped me get a job. I would suggest you reach out to the other people she works with and discuss the situation without being to explicit before going to any higher ups. Bring evidence of her behavior with you if you do go to the dean, but only show it if it becomes clear that they are unaware of the behavior (I always had the emails/ texts/ etc. of her communication with me for meetings with other people, but never needed to show them). Figure out which of her students can finish their research with her minimal envolvement, and who may need to transition research groups. If you can, try to finish up or disentangle all of your own research collaborations with her and then cut ties. Also, if you are in a position, think about her current students and if you can offer to be references for them. It was incredibly valuable for me to have other people to step in and write recommendations when she could/ would not. Hope this helps!
|
This sounds *exactly* like me at the height of my burnout and situational depression. I was a real monster. I’d frequently use ‘I don’t understand’ as shorthand for ‘I am frustrated that this is all f-ed up and also you are 100% to blame for it being f-ed up, not me.’ I have two Harvard degrees yet I’d make the most basic mistakes with grammar and spelling. I sounded like a crazy person in my emails, because I was shooting them off in a rush and really only half paying attention to what I was writing. I was rude to coworkers and employees, and didn’t mince words because my overall attitude was ‘screw it’ and I couldn’t muster the emotional energy to sugar coat negative feedback. It really doesn’t super matter (from a professional/academic standpoint) what the reason for the behavior is. It’s unacceptable and needs to be flagged to someone ‘up the chain.’ I don’t think bringing it up directly with the professor is a good strategy even if it’s a burnout situation.
| 1 | 2,180 | 5.35 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2rh41a
|
h2reco3
| 1,624,452,968 | 1,624,451,336 | 107 | 20 |
Sorry for the long answer, but I have been in a similar situation. My graduate advisor was older, and had always been famously difficult to work with. While prickly and not great at communicating, the first few years were managable. During the last two years of my degree, she became unbelievably difficult to work with. She would disappear for weeks at a time and when she resurfaced she would send incoherent emails, she never provided any feedback on research and clearly was not keeping up with the literature, she would miss important deadlines and come up with wild, implausible excuses as to why - a couple of times I went to her house (she lived alone), and I found her front door open, or other things very out of place. Lots of concerning things, and I firmly believe she had dementia. She ended up retiring before I finished my degree (while I was doing my dissertation research abroad, and she didn't even officially tell me) and I finished with her as my chair but as an emeritus professor. No one ever directly addressed her health, but I had multiple meetings with my other committee members and department chair before defending where it was made clear to me that she would not be an obstacle in me finishing my degree. I also had committee members tell me they would step in and write letters of recommendation (it was not *directly* addressed as to why I would need that) and other such offers that made it clear to me that everyone was aware of the situation. I finished up one paper with her after I graduated, but after that I moved on and found more reliable people to work with. At the time it made me absolutely crazy and I could not believe everyone would just let her behave like that, but looking back, I think it was actually handled with a fair amount of grace. She retired (I never got an answer as to whether she was forced to or decided herself she needed to), the department made sure I completed my degree, and my committee helped me get a job. I would suggest you reach out to the other people she works with and discuss the situation without being to explicit before going to any higher ups. Bring evidence of her behavior with you if you do go to the dean, but only show it if it becomes clear that they are unaware of the behavior (I always had the emails/ texts/ etc. of her communication with me for meetings with other people, but never needed to show them). Figure out which of her students can finish their research with her minimal envolvement, and who may need to transition research groups. If you can, try to finish up or disentangle all of your own research collaborations with her and then cut ties. Also, if you are in a position, think about her current students and if you can offer to be references for them. It was incredibly valuable for me to have other people to step in and write recommendations when she could/ would not. Hope this helps!
|
my dean had this type of behavior and turns out he was having mini strokes and didn't know it. took a couple of years and a lot of medical interventions to get him back on track. I'd say for sure someone should reach out and talk with her and/or her family if anyone is close enough.
| 1 | 1,632 | 5.35 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2r7rs3
|
h2r7i8y
| 1,624,446,622 | 1,624,446,413 | 92 | 75 |
Everyone needs to print their emails and present them as evidence to the dept chair and if necessary the dean.
|
Since there's a huge difference between burn out and Alzheimer's but both require help, you or someone else needs to ask her how she's doing. "How've you been lately? You haven't quite seemed yourself. Feel like you're up for talking to someone?" That shows others have seen a problem without triggering the defensiveness that comes with questioning the mental health of a person whose identity is tied to high intelligence (professor, lawyer, doctor, etc.). It's not the best idea to make guesses about someone's health, let alone tell them your guesses. But it's appropriate to tell them you've seen a change and may want to seek medical or professional advice if they too think it's affecting their work.
| 1 | 209 | 1.226667 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2r6dpf
|
h2r7rs3
| 1,624,445,486 | 1,624,446,622 | 53 | 92 |
Can you talk to the department head? I'm not sure if you are in the group or a professor (i.e., sort of subordinate vs an equal colleague?).
|
Everyone needs to print their emails and present them as evidence to the dept chair and if necessary the dean.
| 0 | 1,136 | 1.735849 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2r6dpf
|
h2r7i8y
| 1,624,445,486 | 1,624,446,413 | 53 | 75 |
Can you talk to the department head? I'm not sure if you are in the group or a professor (i.e., sort of subordinate vs an equal colleague?).
|
Since there's a huge difference between burn out and Alzheimer's but both require help, you or someone else needs to ask her how she's doing. "How've you been lately? You haven't quite seemed yourself. Feel like you're up for talking to someone?" That shows others have seen a problem without triggering the defensiveness that comes with questioning the mental health of a person whose identity is tied to high intelligence (professor, lawyer, doctor, etc.). It's not the best idea to make guesses about someone's health, let alone tell them your guesses. But it's appropriate to tell them you've seen a change and may want to seek medical or professional advice if they too think it's affecting their work.
| 0 | 927 | 1.415094 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2r80bh
|
h2r8fy1
| 1,624,446,812 | 1,624,447,159 | 22 | 39 |
1. Talk to her as a human being, try to make her feel comfortable and not attacked in a professional space. 2. However, indicate that lots of people have noticed a significant change in behavior. 3. Only approach higher authority if the situation does not change at all or if she completely refuses to acknowledge any misgivings. 4. It might sound silly, but a friend of mine had a similar experience with a boss who has probably alcoholism.
|
Talk with someone about it, but don't call it dementia. You aren't in a position to make that assessment - it's like armchair diagnosing of any other mental illness. Completely valid to discuss the disruptive behavior, though. Fwiw, I have a collaborator who is a pain to work with who has always been the way you describe this person - more in times when they are very busy - and it's just their personality as far as I know. Rude, imperious, can't be bothered to stay up to date with what's going on with the project, hopelessly ill-informed, doesn't understand any of our research methods. It makes me think they got into academia at a time when standards were much lower, but I wouldn't make the leap to dementia. There are so many issues someone can have.
| 0 | 347 | 1.772727 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2rkoqr
|
h2rj5a4
| 1,624,454,926 | 1,624,454,108 | 13 | 5 |
A friend had a coworker go through something similar - onset of unintelligible emails, unable to string sentences together or keep track of things, etc. turns out she has a massive brain tumor. My point is you don’t know what is going on with her so be careful about saying dementia or burnout. Obviously your career and your work is important, but your PI could be in a really bad place medically or even just emotionally. Your work will survive this, so try to figure out the best way to get the PI help.
|
I had professor resembling these same tendencies, she was renowned and highly regarded due to multiple patents she worked on with Motorola throughout the 80’s and 90’s. But it was said shortly after her divorce, that’s when things started to degrade in her performance. As students we witnessed her verbally abuse other students in the classroom, calling them a disruption, etc. when they were actually quiet. We took the direction of talking with the Deans of the Engineering college we attended, and 1 Dean said often she isn’t what she used to be. She later couldn’t perform lectures anymore and other professors took over her classes at the beginning of the next semester. It was said, because she seemed like a nice woman and awesome professional. Many other students had great things to say about her from years past. We weren’t as fortunate to have that version of her. I hope she’s well now, where ever she is.
| 1 | 818 | 2.6 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2rj5a4
|
h2rks7p
| 1,624,454,108 | 1,624,454,975 | 5 | 8 |
I had professor resembling these same tendencies, she was renowned and highly regarded due to multiple patents she worked on with Motorola throughout the 80’s and 90’s. But it was said shortly after her divorce, that’s when things started to degrade in her performance. As students we witnessed her verbally abuse other students in the classroom, calling them a disruption, etc. when they were actually quiet. We took the direction of talking with the Deans of the Engineering college we attended, and 1 Dean said often she isn’t what she used to be. She later couldn’t perform lectures anymore and other professors took over her classes at the beginning of the next semester. It was said, because she seemed like a nice woman and awesome professional. Many other students had great things to say about her from years past. We weren’t as fortunate to have that version of her. I hope she’s well now, where ever she is.
|
There’s a lot of good advice here, but slightly tangentially—why is there not an age limit for tenured professors? Many faculty receive huge salaries (the equivalent of several young assistant professors), massive office spaces they never use, and all the other privileges of professorship at age 80+ and at the same time don’t advise or advise students poorly, don’t teach or teach poorly, etc. It’s ridiculous IMO.
| 0 | 867 | 1.6 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2rpg5k
|
h2rvi9s
| 1,624,457,332 | 1,624,460,228 | 2 | 5 |
I had a similar situation. I actually took three courses from this professor over the years, in the final course a handful of the same students were in all three courses with me. The whole class would talk about the professor, who was ~75 years old, generally being a bit off, and those who'd had the professor in the past corroborated that they didn't use to be like this. Lectures were disjointed at best and sometimes completely nonsensical. Blatant grading errors. Misplaced tests, essays, etc. Eventually we spoke to the dean of academic affairs who I was close with after she helped me resolve an issue with another professor. They ended up "retiring" at the end of the semester.
|
When I was a freshman in college, I had a freshman seminar with an older professor. He was meant to become my academic advisor, so this was a serious relationship, in a class of 12, seated at a round table. But his class was at 8am and I missed it 8 times in a row- almost three full weeks. I went in desperate to salvage whatever I could of my grade- I took my place at the table and he was discussing our “research papers”, which we had apparently been asked to have an idea for, ready to be approved that day. He looked right at me and said “I had suggested that you might want to do something on entrepreneurship in Meiji Japan, but you didn’t seem to pick up on my suggestion”- and I realized that he DIDN’T KNOW that I’d been absent. So I quickly agreed that that was indeed the topic I had chosen, and he was very pleased. A few weeks later, he passed out a “study guide” fir the final. We all studied together. The. We got the actual exam. IT WAS THE EXACT SAME PAPER. I got an A+ in that class and everyone else failed the final and got a D, because “It SEEMS like some of you worked together!” When I tried to get my schedule signed fir the spring semester, there was a note on the door. He had been diagnosed with a brain tumor. Everyone got a B, except for me. I retained my A+.
| 0 | 2,896 | 2.5 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2sidgj
|
h2rpg5k
| 1,624,470,126 | 1,624,457,332 | 5 | 2 |
Just a note to say that if this erratic behaviour has come on only recently, it likely is not dementia, which develops much more slowly. Nevertheless, I do think you should first bring this up with any peer colleague who is close to her, or any other person who might have insight into her personal life before making any kind of official complaint. She may well be somewhat overwhelmed by events or circumstances that have little to do with work *per se*, or dementia.
|
I had a similar situation. I actually took three courses from this professor over the years, in the final course a handful of the same students were in all three courses with me. The whole class would talk about the professor, who was ~75 years old, generally being a bit off, and those who'd had the professor in the past corroborated that they didn't use to be like this. Lectures were disjointed at best and sometimes completely nonsensical. Blatant grading errors. Misplaced tests, essays, etc. Eventually we spoke to the dean of academic affairs who I was close with after she helped me resolve an issue with another professor. They ended up "retiring" at the end of the semester.
| 1 | 12,794 | 2.5 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2s9guj
|
h2sidgj
| 1,624,466,414 | 1,624,470,126 | 2 | 5 |
I've seen this kind of thing multiple times. Dementia or chronic illnesses basically making it impossible for a professor to do their job properly. It can go on for years if not too bad. Ultimately, you need to get a department chair, or the next person up the chain (probably a Dean of the school, Provost, etc), on your side to deal with the issue. If it is what you fear (serious, irreversible dementia) then they can try to get them to retire. If they can't get them to retire, then they can start taking away things like leadership positions, access to graduate students and even lab space. If federal grants are involved, then they could potentially be removed as PI or co-PI because the grants technically go to the institution. These things take time, so you would need to find someone on your side with power.
|
Just a note to say that if this erratic behaviour has come on only recently, it likely is not dementia, which develops much more slowly. Nevertheless, I do think you should first bring this up with any peer colleague who is close to her, or any other person who might have insight into her personal life before making any kind of official complaint. She may well be somewhat overwhelmed by events or circumstances that have little to do with work *per se*, or dementia.
| 0 | 3,712 | 2.5 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2rpg5k
|
h2ucql7
| 1,624,457,332 | 1,624,502,543 | 2 | 3 |
I had a similar situation. I actually took three courses from this professor over the years, in the final course a handful of the same students were in all three courses with me. The whole class would talk about the professor, who was ~75 years old, generally being a bit off, and those who'd had the professor in the past corroborated that they didn't use to be like this. Lectures were disjointed at best and sometimes completely nonsensical. Blatant grading errors. Misplaced tests, essays, etc. Eventually we spoke to the dean of academic affairs who I was close with after she helped me resolve an issue with another professor. They ended up "retiring" at the end of the semester.
|
I'm an academic, and I've seen similar situations. Academia is not like the business world, in which loss of competence is recognized by various co-workers, including some who are not afraid to address such issues because of impact on the business. In academia, people tend to work longer before they retire and senior, tenured professors are given a lot of independence. Students are probably much more familiar with the competence of faculty members than are their faculty peers, who may only interact closely in occasional meetings. I've seen professors with serious behavioral issues do egregious things yet continuing working for years because no one wanted to intervene. It can be very difficult to motivate a department chair or dean to address problems like this, or even to alert the family. Even if they want to resolve the issue, it can be a long and complicated process. Recently at my university a professor was discovered to have had serial affairs with grad students, but it took almost 3 years to remove them from the department. This one reason why you must alert this woman's chair, and/or dean, and encourage others to join you. It may take a protracted process to see any results. Also, it sounds as though this person may have a serious issue that needs to be addressed-and you can't rely on others to alert people.
| 0 | 45,211 | 1.5 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2s9guj
|
h2ucql7
| 1,624,466,414 | 1,624,502,543 | 2 | 3 |
I've seen this kind of thing multiple times. Dementia or chronic illnesses basically making it impossible for a professor to do their job properly. It can go on for years if not too bad. Ultimately, you need to get a department chair, or the next person up the chain (probably a Dean of the school, Provost, etc), on your side to deal with the issue. If it is what you fear (serious, irreversible dementia) then they can try to get them to retire. If they can't get them to retire, then they can start taking away things like leadership positions, access to graduate students and even lab space. If federal grants are involved, then they could potentially be removed as PI or co-PI because the grants technically go to the institution. These things take time, so you would need to find someone on your side with power.
|
I'm an academic, and I've seen similar situations. Academia is not like the business world, in which loss of competence is recognized by various co-workers, including some who are not afraid to address such issues because of impact on the business. In academia, people tend to work longer before they retire and senior, tenured professors are given a lot of independence. Students are probably much more familiar with the competence of faculty members than are their faculty peers, who may only interact closely in occasional meetings. I've seen professors with serious behavioral issues do egregious things yet continuing working for years because no one wanted to intervene. It can be very difficult to motivate a department chair or dean to address problems like this, or even to alert the family. Even if they want to resolve the issue, it can be a long and complicated process. Recently at my university a professor was discovered to have had serial affairs with grad students, but it took almost 3 years to remove them from the department. This one reason why you must alert this woman's chair, and/or dean, and encourage others to join you. It may take a protracted process to see any results. Also, it sounds as though this person may have a serious issue that needs to be addressed-and you can't rely on others to alert people.
| 0 | 36,129 | 1.5 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2t13tb
|
h2ucql7
| 1,624,478,638 | 1,624,502,543 | 2 | 3 |
How would her specialization affect her diagnosis? You think that studying Alzheimer’s increases your risk of dementia?
|
I'm an academic, and I've seen similar situations. Academia is not like the business world, in which loss of competence is recognized by various co-workers, including some who are not afraid to address such issues because of impact on the business. In academia, people tend to work longer before they retire and senior, tenured professors are given a lot of independence. Students are probably much more familiar with the competence of faculty members than are their faculty peers, who may only interact closely in occasional meetings. I've seen professors with serious behavioral issues do egregious things yet continuing working for years because no one wanted to intervene. It can be very difficult to motivate a department chair or dean to address problems like this, or even to alert the family. Even if they want to resolve the issue, it can be a long and complicated process. Recently at my university a professor was discovered to have had serial affairs with grad students, but it took almost 3 years to remove them from the department. This one reason why you must alert this woman's chair, and/or dean, and encourage others to join you. It may take a protracted process to see any results. Also, it sounds as though this person may have a serious issue that needs to be addressed-and you can't rely on others to alert people.
| 0 | 23,905 | 1.5 | ||
o69fk7
|
askacademia_train
| 0.98 |
Professor is either developing dementia or burnt out... An older professor in our group has always had a very rude character but lately she's been super weird. I've cc'd her in an email to a collaborator about a data transfer and she replied: "why are you asking him how to handle him the data?? I don't understand!! Didn't I tell you to handle him the data?". When I asked her what I should present to an online meeting that was about to happen in 6 days she organized she replied "what on earth are you talking about?". She had no idea there was a meeting... I talked to the people she's the PI of and they're desperate. In the last 6 months she's been constantly sending them incoherent emails with contradictory request, if the text even made sense at all. She refuses face to face meetings (both her and her staff have been fully vaccinated for more than 4 months). They've also told me that... In most of these rambling emails she keeps writing "I don't understand". A sentence she hasn't ever used before. And all of this of course results in huge delays in all of the projects. She's probably got some huge issues... We seriously suspect dementia (she's the PI of a team that studies Alzheimer's disease) or maybe just a burnout due to pandemic stress... And... How do we tactfully deal with this? What exactly can be done about this?
|
h2ucql7
|
h2txo3q
| 1,624,502,543 | 1,624,494,539 | 3 | 2 |
I'm an academic, and I've seen similar situations. Academia is not like the business world, in which loss of competence is recognized by various co-workers, including some who are not afraid to address such issues because of impact on the business. In academia, people tend to work longer before they retire and senior, tenured professors are given a lot of independence. Students are probably much more familiar with the competence of faculty members than are their faculty peers, who may only interact closely in occasional meetings. I've seen professors with serious behavioral issues do egregious things yet continuing working for years because no one wanted to intervene. It can be very difficult to motivate a department chair or dean to address problems like this, or even to alert the family. Even if they want to resolve the issue, it can be a long and complicated process. Recently at my university a professor was discovered to have had serial affairs with grad students, but it took almost 3 years to remove them from the department. This one reason why you must alert this woman's chair, and/or dean, and encourage others to join you. It may take a protracted process to see any results. Also, it sounds as though this person may have a serious issue that needs to be addressed-and you can't rely on others to alert people.
|
You and some people from her lab need to talk to the department head about 3 months ago and explain all of what's going on, with examples of e-mails, and show that this is coming from a place of genuine concern.
| 1 | 8,004 | 1.5 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5ha63
|
fk5g0n8
| 1,583,880,473 | 1,583,879,742 | 641 | 164 |
You can't stop it but you can minimize it. Assuming you will offer exams on your LMS (e.g. Blackboard): 1. Set the time for the exam in such way that it is 35-45 seconds per question. This makes it harder to Google or look up the answers. Advanced: Google your questions to make sure the answers are not readily available. If they are, restructure the question. 2. Make questions appear one at a time (not the entire exam). This makes it harder for one student to print out the exam and have others work on it. 3. Randomize the order of how questions appear so there is no way to create a solutions key with question numbers. 4. Make the exam available only at the same time as the on-campus exam time so everyone takes it at the same time. 5. Do not provide the correct answers or the student score immediately, you can release those after everyone has taken the exam. Hope this helps, good luck!
|
So I don't know if this is used in the USA, but it's widely used in Canada. We use this thing called Lockdown Browser, it's mainly used with students who are online. When a student opens it, it blocks them from using external applications on their laptops/computers. Professors can also enable the browser to video/audio record when students enter their tests, to ensure students don't cheat.
| 1 | 731 | 3.908537 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5f6m0
|
fk5ha63
| 1,583,879,257 | 1,583,880,473 | 55 | 641 |
No.
|
You can't stop it but you can minimize it. Assuming you will offer exams on your LMS (e.g. Blackboard): 1. Set the time for the exam in such way that it is 35-45 seconds per question. This makes it harder to Google or look up the answers. Advanced: Google your questions to make sure the answers are not readily available. If they are, restructure the question. 2. Make questions appear one at a time (not the entire exam). This makes it harder for one student to print out the exam and have others work on it. 3. Randomize the order of how questions appear so there is no way to create a solutions key with question numbers. 4. Make the exam available only at the same time as the on-campus exam time so everyone takes it at the same time. 5. Do not provide the correct answers or the student score immediately, you can release those after everyone has taken the exam. Hope this helps, good luck!
| 0 | 1,216 | 11.654545 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5fyj3
|
fk5ha63
| 1,583,879,708 | 1,583,880,473 | 15 | 641 |
You could create several versions of the exam where the questions/answers are ordered differently. It would stop wholesale copying. But it wouldn't stop people from working together.
|
You can't stop it but you can minimize it. Assuming you will offer exams on your LMS (e.g. Blackboard): 1. Set the time for the exam in such way that it is 35-45 seconds per question. This makes it harder to Google or look up the answers. Advanced: Google your questions to make sure the answers are not readily available. If they are, restructure the question. 2. Make questions appear one at a time (not the entire exam). This makes it harder for one student to print out the exam and have others work on it. 3. Randomize the order of how questions appear so there is no way to create a solutions key with question numbers. 4. Make the exam available only at the same time as the on-campus exam time so everyone takes it at the same time. 5. Do not provide the correct answers or the student score immediately, you can release those after everyone has taken the exam. Hope this helps, good luck!
| 0 | 765 | 42.733333 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5ha63
|
fk5gy99
| 1,583,880,473 | 1,583,880,280 | 641 | 11 |
You can't stop it but you can minimize it. Assuming you will offer exams on your LMS (e.g. Blackboard): 1. Set the time for the exam in such way that it is 35-45 seconds per question. This makes it harder to Google or look up the answers. Advanced: Google your questions to make sure the answers are not readily available. If they are, restructure the question. 2. Make questions appear one at a time (not the entire exam). This makes it harder for one student to print out the exam and have others work on it. 3. Randomize the order of how questions appear so there is no way to create a solutions key with question numbers. 4. Make the exam available only at the same time as the on-campus exam time so everyone takes it at the same time. 5. Do not provide the correct answers or the student score immediately, you can release those after everyone has taken the exam. Hope this helps, good luck!
|
You could use online proctoring services like Proctor U. They have remote access to the student's screen, and will watch the student via webcam the entire time until they submit their exam. They need the student to verify ID and also ask you to move your webcam around the room before beginning the exam.
| 1 | 193 | 58.272727 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5f6m0
|
fk5g0n8
| 1,583,879,257 | 1,583,879,742 | 55 | 164 |
No.
|
So I don't know if this is used in the USA, but it's widely used in Canada. We use this thing called Lockdown Browser, it's mainly used with students who are online. When a student opens it, it blocks them from using external applications on their laptops/computers. Professors can also enable the browser to video/audio record when students enter their tests, to ensure students don't cheat.
| 0 | 485 | 2.981818 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5g0n8
|
fk5fyj3
| 1,583,879,742 | 1,583,879,708 | 164 | 15 |
So I don't know if this is used in the USA, but it's widely used in Canada. We use this thing called Lockdown Browser, it's mainly used with students who are online. When a student opens it, it blocks them from using external applications on their laptops/computers. Professors can also enable the browser to video/audio record when students enter their tests, to ensure students don't cheat.
|
You could create several versions of the exam where the questions/answers are ordered differently. It would stop wholesale copying. But it wouldn't stop people from working together.
| 1 | 34 | 10.933333 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5fyj3
|
fk5l4mu
| 1,583,879,708 | 1,583,882,740 | 15 | 40 |
You could create several versions of the exam where the questions/answers are ordered differently. It would stop wholesale copying. But it wouldn't stop people from working together.
|
A couple years ago, I made all my exams online and open-book for large lecture courses. I emphasize that they need to take careful notes during lectures and I have them submit lecture notes for 1/4 course credit. Exams are timed as if taken during class tome. I still see a normal distribution of scores. Remember, if they cheat they are cheating themselves.
| 0 | 3,032 | 2.666667 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5l4mu
|
fk5hwqj
| 1,583,882,740 | 1,583,880,839 | 40 | 15 |
A couple years ago, I made all my exams online and open-book for large lecture courses. I emphasize that they need to take careful notes during lectures and I have them submit lecture notes for 1/4 course credit. Exams are timed as if taken during class tome. I still see a normal distribution of scores. Remember, if they cheat they are cheating themselves.
|
If you use Moodle (the LMS my campus uses) you can upload a large bank of questions (true false and multiple choice) and then have it setup where each student gets a subset of random questions from the question bank. So say you have a 25-30 question final, you can upload a 100 question bank and each student will have a unique test. After that, Moodle will allow you to set a time limit for the test. That way, it would cut down on group work and it would also be too much work for students to work through together. The only question you’d have to figure out after that is if you would want them to take it as an open note/open book test.
| 1 | 1,901 | 2.666667 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5gy99
|
fk5l4mu
| 1,583,880,280 | 1,583,882,740 | 11 | 40 |
You could use online proctoring services like Proctor U. They have remote access to the student's screen, and will watch the student via webcam the entire time until they submit their exam. They need the student to verify ID and also ask you to move your webcam around the room before beginning the exam.
|
A couple years ago, I made all my exams online and open-book for large lecture courses. I emphasize that they need to take careful notes during lectures and I have them submit lecture notes for 1/4 course credit. Exams are timed as if taken during class tome. I still see a normal distribution of scores. Remember, if they cheat they are cheating themselves.
| 0 | 2,460 | 3.636364 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5l4mu
|
fk5knto
| 1,583,882,740 | 1,583,882,467 | 40 | 8 |
A couple years ago, I made all my exams online and open-book for large lecture courses. I emphasize that they need to take careful notes during lectures and I have them submit lecture notes for 1/4 course credit. Exams are timed as if taken during class tome. I still see a normal distribution of scores. Remember, if they cheat they are cheating themselves.
|
Someone else said a 15 minute oral exam... a takeoff of that idea.... How about after the written exam you do a five minute per student ask them a variation of 2 questions they got right over a video call. If they got it right on the exam and get it wrong on the video call they lose a chunk of points. Also knowing this, maybe people will be more inclined to try to learn the material. The other angle is its a pandemic... tell the kids cheating is just cheating themselves out of the learning they are paying for and just for this circumstance let it be at that.
| 1 | 273 | 5 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5igg0
|
fk5l4mu
| 1,583,881,160 | 1,583,882,740 | 6 | 40 |
Create different versions of the exam, randomize the questions, place a time limit.
|
A couple years ago, I made all my exams online and open-book for large lecture courses. I emphasize that they need to take careful notes during lectures and I have them submit lecture notes for 1/4 course credit. Exams are timed as if taken during class tome. I still see a normal distribution of scores. Remember, if they cheat they are cheating themselves.
| 0 | 1,580 | 6.666667 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk6hmcf
|
fk5fyj3
| 1,583,902,416 | 1,583,879,708 | 23 | 15 |
I am a student and I just want to say please please don’t go the route of setting very strict time limits. I have a documented disability due to a processing disorder that slows me down so I can get extended time, but for students who aren’t diagnosed it harms them. In my opinion a good way to go about it is using essay style questions. You have a lot of students so I don’t know how practical it is, but this is a good way to gauge understanding and make it hard to cheat. If I don’t know the content well, I have a very hard time with an essay question no matter how much internet I have access to.
|
You could create several versions of the exam where the questions/answers are ordered differently. It would stop wholesale copying. But it wouldn't stop people from working together.
| 1 | 22,708 | 1.533333 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5hwqj
|
fk6hmcf
| 1,583,880,839 | 1,583,902,416 | 15 | 23 |
If you use Moodle (the LMS my campus uses) you can upload a large bank of questions (true false and multiple choice) and then have it setup where each student gets a subset of random questions from the question bank. So say you have a 25-30 question final, you can upload a 100 question bank and each student will have a unique test. After that, Moodle will allow you to set a time limit for the test. That way, it would cut down on group work and it would also be too much work for students to work through together. The only question you’d have to figure out after that is if you would want them to take it as an open note/open book test.
|
I am a student and I just want to say please please don’t go the route of setting very strict time limits. I have a documented disability due to a processing disorder that slows me down so I can get extended time, but for students who aren’t diagnosed it harms them. In my opinion a good way to go about it is using essay style questions. You have a lot of students so I don’t know how practical it is, but this is a good way to gauge understanding and make it hard to cheat. If I don’t know the content well, I have a very hard time with an essay question no matter how much internet I have access to.
| 0 | 21,577 | 1.533333 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk6hmcf
|
fk5gy99
| 1,583,902,416 | 1,583,880,280 | 23 | 11 |
I am a student and I just want to say please please don’t go the route of setting very strict time limits. I have a documented disability due to a processing disorder that slows me down so I can get extended time, but for students who aren’t diagnosed it harms them. In my opinion a good way to go about it is using essay style questions. You have a lot of students so I don’t know how practical it is, but this is a good way to gauge understanding and make it hard to cheat. If I don’t know the content well, I have a very hard time with an essay question no matter how much internet I have access to.
|
You could use online proctoring services like Proctor U. They have remote access to the student's screen, and will watch the student via webcam the entire time until they submit their exam. They need the student to verify ID and also ask you to move your webcam around the room before beginning the exam.
| 1 | 22,136 | 2.090909 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5mo75
|
fk6hmcf
| 1,583,883,652 | 1,583,902,416 | 12 | 23 |
Get lockdown browser with web cam monitor (respondus, proctorio etc). Specify that they can use a couple pages of notes and write the questions to accommodate that. That tricks them into studying anyway, because making good cheat sheets requires active engagement. Shuffle the questions and answers. If you want a total of say 80 questions, program in 100, so that everyone has a slightly different version of the test. I also agree with making the questions appear one at a time, but i still like to leave the ability to flag a question and let them go back to it. I also agree with making everyone take the exam at the same time.
|
I am a student and I just want to say please please don’t go the route of setting very strict time limits. I have a documented disability due to a processing disorder that slows me down so I can get extended time, but for students who aren’t diagnosed it harms them. In my opinion a good way to go about it is using essay style questions. You have a lot of students so I don’t know how practical it is, but this is a good way to gauge understanding and make it hard to cheat. If I don’t know the content well, I have a very hard time with an essay question no matter how much internet I have access to.
| 0 | 18,764 | 1.916667 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5knto
|
fk6hmcf
| 1,583,882,467 | 1,583,902,416 | 8 | 23 |
Someone else said a 15 minute oral exam... a takeoff of that idea.... How about after the written exam you do a five minute per student ask them a variation of 2 questions they got right over a video call. If they got it right on the exam and get it wrong on the video call they lose a chunk of points. Also knowing this, maybe people will be more inclined to try to learn the material. The other angle is its a pandemic... tell the kids cheating is just cheating themselves out of the learning they are paying for and just for this circumstance let it be at that.
|
I am a student and I just want to say please please don’t go the route of setting very strict time limits. I have a documented disability due to a processing disorder that slows me down so I can get extended time, but for students who aren’t diagnosed it harms them. In my opinion a good way to go about it is using essay style questions. You have a lot of students so I don’t know how practical it is, but this is a good way to gauge understanding and make it hard to cheat. If I don’t know the content well, I have a very hard time with an essay question no matter how much internet I have access to.
| 0 | 19,949 | 2.875 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk6e51s
|
fk6hmcf
| 1,583,899,719 | 1,583,902,416 | 9 | 23 |
These are all good suggestions, however I want to add something very simple that seems to have some effect. For the first question of my online exams, I have a true/false question worth zero points that states: > I am taking this test under my own identity and will not use any outside materials to assist me in this exam including notes, textbook, websites, or another person. I will also not discuss the content of this exam with anyone that has not completed the exam. Here is a post from another professor that was doing something similar. Depending on the honor code culture of your university, you may want to reference it. This is probably not a substitute for the other practices given here, but it is so easy to implement, even if it only has a very small effect size, it easily falls into the why not category.
|
I am a student and I just want to say please please don’t go the route of setting very strict time limits. I have a documented disability due to a processing disorder that slows me down so I can get extended time, but for students who aren’t diagnosed it harms them. In my opinion a good way to go about it is using essay style questions. You have a lot of students so I don’t know how practical it is, but this is a good way to gauge understanding and make it hard to cheat. If I don’t know the content well, I have a very hard time with an essay question no matter how much internet I have access to.
| 0 | 2,697 | 2.555556 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk6hmcf
|
fk5igg0
| 1,583,902,416 | 1,583,881,160 | 23 | 6 |
I am a student and I just want to say please please don’t go the route of setting very strict time limits. I have a documented disability due to a processing disorder that slows me down so I can get extended time, but for students who aren’t diagnosed it harms them. In my opinion a good way to go about it is using essay style questions. You have a lot of students so I don’t know how practical it is, but this is a good way to gauge understanding and make it hard to cheat. If I don’t know the content well, I have a very hard time with an essay question no matter how much internet I have access to.
|
Create different versions of the exam, randomize the questions, place a time limit.
| 1 | 21,256 | 3.833333 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5gy99
|
fk5hwqj
| 1,583,880,280 | 1,583,880,839 | 11 | 15 |
You could use online proctoring services like Proctor U. They have remote access to the student's screen, and will watch the student via webcam the entire time until they submit their exam. They need the student to verify ID and also ask you to move your webcam around the room before beginning the exam.
|
If you use Moodle (the LMS my campus uses) you can upload a large bank of questions (true false and multiple choice) and then have it setup where each student gets a subset of random questions from the question bank. So say you have a 25-30 question final, you can upload a 100 question bank and each student will have a unique test. After that, Moodle will allow you to set a time limit for the test. That way, it would cut down on group work and it would also be too much work for students to work through together. The only question you’d have to figure out after that is if you would want them to take it as an open note/open book test.
| 0 | 559 | 1.363636 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5mo75
|
fk5gy99
| 1,583,883,652 | 1,583,880,280 | 12 | 11 |
Get lockdown browser with web cam monitor (respondus, proctorio etc). Specify that they can use a couple pages of notes and write the questions to accommodate that. That tricks them into studying anyway, because making good cheat sheets requires active engagement. Shuffle the questions and answers. If you want a total of say 80 questions, program in 100, so that everyone has a slightly different version of the test. I also agree with making the questions appear one at a time, but i still like to leave the ability to flag a question and let them go back to it. I also agree with making everyone take the exam at the same time.
|
You could use online proctoring services like Proctor U. They have remote access to the student's screen, and will watch the student via webcam the entire time until they submit their exam. They need the student to verify ID and also ask you to move your webcam around the room before beginning the exam.
| 1 | 3,372 | 1.090909 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5knto
|
fk5mo75
| 1,583,882,467 | 1,583,883,652 | 8 | 12 |
Someone else said a 15 minute oral exam... a takeoff of that idea.... How about after the written exam you do a five minute per student ask them a variation of 2 questions they got right over a video call. If they got it right on the exam and get it wrong on the video call they lose a chunk of points. Also knowing this, maybe people will be more inclined to try to learn the material. The other angle is its a pandemic... tell the kids cheating is just cheating themselves out of the learning they are paying for and just for this circumstance let it be at that.
|
Get lockdown browser with web cam monitor (respondus, proctorio etc). Specify that they can use a couple pages of notes and write the questions to accommodate that. That tricks them into studying anyway, because making good cheat sheets requires active engagement. Shuffle the questions and answers. If you want a total of say 80 questions, program in 100, so that everyone has a slightly different version of the test. I also agree with making the questions appear one at a time, but i still like to leave the ability to flag a question and let them go back to it. I also agree with making everyone take the exam at the same time.
| 0 | 1,185 | 1.5 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5igg0
|
fk5mo75
| 1,583,881,160 | 1,583,883,652 | 6 | 12 |
Create different versions of the exam, randomize the questions, place a time limit.
|
Get lockdown browser with web cam monitor (respondus, proctorio etc). Specify that they can use a couple pages of notes and write the questions to accommodate that. That tricks them into studying anyway, because making good cheat sheets requires active engagement. Shuffle the questions and answers. If you want a total of say 80 questions, program in 100, so that everyone has a slightly different version of the test. I also agree with making the questions appear one at a time, but i still like to leave the ability to flag a question and let them go back to it. I also agree with making everyone take the exam at the same time.
| 0 | 2,492 | 2 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk6e51s
|
fk5knto
| 1,583,899,719 | 1,583,882,467 | 9 | 8 |
These are all good suggestions, however I want to add something very simple that seems to have some effect. For the first question of my online exams, I have a true/false question worth zero points that states: > I am taking this test under my own identity and will not use any outside materials to assist me in this exam including notes, textbook, websites, or another person. I will also not discuss the content of this exam with anyone that has not completed the exam. Here is a post from another professor that was doing something similar. Depending on the honor code culture of your university, you may want to reference it. This is probably not a substitute for the other practices given here, but it is so easy to implement, even if it only has a very small effect size, it easily falls into the why not category.
|
Someone else said a 15 minute oral exam... a takeoff of that idea.... How about after the written exam you do a five minute per student ask them a variation of 2 questions they got right over a video call. If they got it right on the exam and get it wrong on the video call they lose a chunk of points. Also knowing this, maybe people will be more inclined to try to learn the material. The other angle is its a pandemic... tell the kids cheating is just cheating themselves out of the learning they are paying for and just for this circumstance let it be at that.
| 1 | 17,252 | 1.125 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk5igg0
|
fk5knto
| 1,583,881,160 | 1,583,882,467 | 6 | 8 |
Create different versions of the exam, randomize the questions, place a time limit.
|
Someone else said a 15 minute oral exam... a takeoff of that idea.... How about after the written exam you do a five minute per student ask them a variation of 2 questions they got right over a video call. If they got it right on the exam and get it wrong on the video call they lose a chunk of points. Also knowing this, maybe people will be more inclined to try to learn the material. The other angle is its a pandemic... tell the kids cheating is just cheating themselves out of the learning they are paying for and just for this circumstance let it be at that.
| 0 | 1,307 | 1.333333 | ||
fgm60c
|
askacademia_train
| 0.96 |
The university that I teach at (NYU) has gone remote because of the coronivirus. I teach two classes of over 100 students and give multiple choice exams. Is there any possible way to stop them from cheating on the exams?
|
fk6e51s
|
fk5igg0
| 1,583,899,719 | 1,583,881,160 | 9 | 6 |
These are all good suggestions, however I want to add something very simple that seems to have some effect. For the first question of my online exams, I have a true/false question worth zero points that states: > I am taking this test under my own identity and will not use any outside materials to assist me in this exam including notes, textbook, websites, or another person. I will also not discuss the content of this exam with anyone that has not completed the exam. Here is a post from another professor that was doing something similar. Depending on the honor code culture of your university, you may want to reference it. This is probably not a substitute for the other practices given here, but it is so easy to implement, even if it only has a very small effect size, it easily falls into the why not category.
|
Create different versions of the exam, randomize the questions, place a time limit.
| 1 | 18,559 | 1.5 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs74b98
|
gs6x6mf
| 1,616,694,951 | 1,616,692,027 | 22 | 15 |
I've believe that everyone in graduate school goes through an existential crisis, so you should take comfort in knowing that you are in good company. The advice that I am going to give you is different that the other advice given here, in that you should maximize your opportunities and defer the decision of whether or not you want to continue in academia at a different time and focus on the now. It seems like you've already accomplished most of what is needed to just get your degree, and I don't think dropping out now or "leaving on a high note" is a good option. For all intents and purposes, you're near the end of a marathon and you should just power through and finish it. When you get your degree, then you can evaluate whether or not you should continue through with academia or pursue an industry job. Focus on getting your degree, yes it seems daunting but you're almost there. Finally, on a personal note, like you, I feel that I am too soft sometimes, but if anything that has strengthened my resolve to go into academia (because if there is one thing academia needs more of, it is humanity).
|
My depression has significantly reduced for the past 5 years. BUT my anxiety disorder has become worse by day. Its like it replaces the void left by my depression lol, and it really tempers my daily life far more worse that depression back then. This is in fact getting more serious to the point that I thibk id rather have depression than this anxiety. Anyhoo, gudluck with your life. We all have that same inner demon wearing a different mask
| 1 | 2,924 | 1.466667 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs74b98
|
gs6wyk6
| 1,616,694,951 | 1,616,691,935 | 22 | 15 |
I've believe that everyone in graduate school goes through an existential crisis, so you should take comfort in knowing that you are in good company. The advice that I am going to give you is different that the other advice given here, in that you should maximize your opportunities and defer the decision of whether or not you want to continue in academia at a different time and focus on the now. It seems like you've already accomplished most of what is needed to just get your degree, and I don't think dropping out now or "leaving on a high note" is a good option. For all intents and purposes, you're near the end of a marathon and you should just power through and finish it. When you get your degree, then you can evaluate whether or not you should continue through with academia or pursue an industry job. Focus on getting your degree, yes it seems daunting but you're almost there. Finally, on a personal note, like you, I feel that I am too soft sometimes, but if anything that has strengthened my resolve to go into academia (because if there is one thing academia needs more of, it is humanity).
|
My heart hurts for you with the distress you've been experiencing. I've had my own episodes dealing with anxiety and depression in academia, and without a doubt, the two things that have helped me come out of some really low points are medication and therapy. I agree with another poster here- depression really alters your perspective! I was so hyper-focused on little things and overthinking it all that I also found it very difficult to function, be productive, but most importantly, be happy. A therapist helped by just listening to what I was feeling without judgment, then helped me to peel back those layers to get to the roots of the issues. The most important piece of advice was to take time for myself. Having a few days where I could truly detach from academia was transformative. It sounds like you're really burnt out too and definitely in need of a break!
| 1 | 3,016 | 1.466667 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs74b98
|
gs6xanb
| 1,616,694,951 | 1,616,692,072 | 22 | 5 |
I've believe that everyone in graduate school goes through an existential crisis, so you should take comfort in knowing that you are in good company. The advice that I am going to give you is different that the other advice given here, in that you should maximize your opportunities and defer the decision of whether or not you want to continue in academia at a different time and focus on the now. It seems like you've already accomplished most of what is needed to just get your degree, and I don't think dropping out now or "leaving on a high note" is a good option. For all intents and purposes, you're near the end of a marathon and you should just power through and finish it. When you get your degree, then you can evaluate whether or not you should continue through with academia or pursue an industry job. Focus on getting your degree, yes it seems daunting but you're almost there. Finally, on a personal note, like you, I feel that I am too soft sometimes, but if anything that has strengthened my resolve to go into academia (because if there is one thing academia needs more of, it is humanity).
|
Samesies. I've recently found out working out gives me just enough willpower to do actual work though (e.g. I will go cycling for 1hr which makes me kinda happy and then ride that wave of positiveness into doing actual work). Not sure whether you've found the physical activity that just boosts your mood, but maybe try looking for one? (I want to point out that for me, it doesn't work out with any activity though - running makes me sad and depressed, whereas cycling just hits that sweet spot).
| 1 | 2,879 | 4.4 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs74b98
|
gs6yqbi
| 1,616,694,951 | 1,616,692,651 | 22 | 7 |
I've believe that everyone in graduate school goes through an existential crisis, so you should take comfort in knowing that you are in good company. The advice that I am going to give you is different that the other advice given here, in that you should maximize your opportunities and defer the decision of whether or not you want to continue in academia at a different time and focus on the now. It seems like you've already accomplished most of what is needed to just get your degree, and I don't think dropping out now or "leaving on a high note" is a good option. For all intents and purposes, you're near the end of a marathon and you should just power through and finish it. When you get your degree, then you can evaluate whether or not you should continue through with academia or pursue an industry job. Focus on getting your degree, yes it seems daunting but you're almost there. Finally, on a personal note, like you, I feel that I am too soft sometimes, but if anything that has strengthened my resolve to go into academia (because if there is one thing academia needs more of, it is humanity).
|
Just get a regular software development job, people are nicer and you get paid more
| 1 | 2,300 | 3.142857 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs74b98
|
gs6v69b
| 1,616,694,951 | 1,616,691,218 | 22 | 3 |
I've believe that everyone in graduate school goes through an existential crisis, so you should take comfort in knowing that you are in good company. The advice that I am going to give you is different that the other advice given here, in that you should maximize your opportunities and defer the decision of whether or not you want to continue in academia at a different time and focus on the now. It seems like you've already accomplished most of what is needed to just get your degree, and I don't think dropping out now or "leaving on a high note" is a good option. For all intents and purposes, you're near the end of a marathon and you should just power through and finish it. When you get your degree, then you can evaluate whether or not you should continue through with academia or pursue an industry job. Focus on getting your degree, yes it seems daunting but you're almost there. Finally, on a personal note, like you, I feel that I am too soft sometimes, but if anything that has strengthened my resolve to go into academia (because if there is one thing academia needs more of, it is humanity).
|
I really don't know what to say, just that I hope everything works out. I know you are taking meds, but maybe can look for a psychologist/therapist?
| 1 | 3,733 | 7.333333 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs7288z
|
gs74b98
| 1,616,694,088 | 1,616,694,951 | 1 | 22 |
Same here. Depression and anxiety have really held me back in my program, and the combination of those two things have been detrimental to my familial and personal relationships. It is a struggle everyday. It has been work to get out of bed or off the couch some days. I’ve managed to cope with therapy, having healthier diet and exercise, regular positive affirmations, meditation/relaxation, finding a balance between work and relationships, and trusting that whatever direction I take professionally, I’ll be where I’m needed and meant to be.
|
I've believe that everyone in graduate school goes through an existential crisis, so you should take comfort in knowing that you are in good company. The advice that I am going to give you is different that the other advice given here, in that you should maximize your opportunities and defer the decision of whether or not you want to continue in academia at a different time and focus on the now. It seems like you've already accomplished most of what is needed to just get your degree, and I don't think dropping out now or "leaving on a high note" is a good option. For all intents and purposes, you're near the end of a marathon and you should just power through and finish it. When you get your degree, then you can evaluate whether or not you should continue through with academia or pursue an industry job. Focus on getting your degree, yes it seems daunting but you're almost there. Finally, on a personal note, like you, I feel that I am too soft sometimes, but if anything that has strengthened my resolve to go into academia (because if there is one thing academia needs more of, it is humanity).
| 0 | 863 | 22 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs6x6mf
|
gs6v69b
| 1,616,692,027 | 1,616,691,218 | 15 | 3 |
My depression has significantly reduced for the past 5 years. BUT my anxiety disorder has become worse by day. Its like it replaces the void left by my depression lol, and it really tempers my daily life far more worse that depression back then. This is in fact getting more serious to the point that I thibk id rather have depression than this anxiety. Anyhoo, gudluck with your life. We all have that same inner demon wearing a different mask
|
I really don't know what to say, just that I hope everything works out. I know you are taking meds, but maybe can look for a psychologist/therapist?
| 1 | 809 | 5 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs6v69b
|
gs6wyk6
| 1,616,691,218 | 1,616,691,935 | 3 | 15 |
I really don't know what to say, just that I hope everything works out. I know you are taking meds, but maybe can look for a psychologist/therapist?
|
My heart hurts for you with the distress you've been experiencing. I've had my own episodes dealing with anxiety and depression in academia, and without a doubt, the two things that have helped me come out of some really low points are medication and therapy. I agree with another poster here- depression really alters your perspective! I was so hyper-focused on little things and overthinking it all that I also found it very difficult to function, be productive, but most importantly, be happy. A therapist helped by just listening to what I was feeling without judgment, then helped me to peel back those layers to get to the roots of the issues. The most important piece of advice was to take time for myself. Having a few days where I could truly detach from academia was transformative. It sounds like you're really burnt out too and definitely in need of a break!
| 0 | 717 | 5 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs7ajbk
|
gs6xanb
| 1,616,697,543 | 1,616,692,072 | 7 | 5 |
I started an antidepressant, bupropion, back in November. It was for another reason but, a few months on, I've never been more productive or optimistic about my research. I've spent the last decade working on lifestyle modifications to help my depression and thought I had some stability with them. I just figured i was one of those unhappy people. Turns out it was my neurotransmitters. I'm not saying that medication is right for everyone but I can't tell you how nice it is to realize that I'm actually capable of this PhD and also it doesn't have to feel like death the whole time. Edited to add: Finding the right medication is definitely worth it. Work with your doc - the wrong or inconsistent medication could make things worse. <3
|
Samesies. I've recently found out working out gives me just enough willpower to do actual work though (e.g. I will go cycling for 1hr which makes me kinda happy and then ride that wave of positiveness into doing actual work). Not sure whether you've found the physical activity that just boosts your mood, but maybe try looking for one? (I want to point out that for me, it doesn't work out with any activity though - running makes me sad and depressed, whereas cycling just hits that sweet spot).
| 1 | 5,471 | 1.4 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs6v69b
|
gs7ajbk
| 1,616,691,218 | 1,616,697,543 | 3 | 7 |
I really don't know what to say, just that I hope everything works out. I know you are taking meds, but maybe can look for a psychologist/therapist?
|
I started an antidepressant, bupropion, back in November. It was for another reason but, a few months on, I've never been more productive or optimistic about my research. I've spent the last decade working on lifestyle modifications to help my depression and thought I had some stability with them. I just figured i was one of those unhappy people. Turns out it was my neurotransmitters. I'm not saying that medication is right for everyone but I can't tell you how nice it is to realize that I'm actually capable of this PhD and also it doesn't have to feel like death the whole time. Edited to add: Finding the right medication is definitely worth it. Work with your doc - the wrong or inconsistent medication could make things worse. <3
| 0 | 6,325 | 2.333333 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs7ahkr
|
gs7ajbk
| 1,616,697,523 | 1,616,697,543 | 3 | 7 |
Seems to me you love Academia and the problem is not you neither is it your job, it’s just a postponed feeling that cannot be hidden anymore hence hitting you all at once. My suggestion is take some time off and focus on yourself. Travel, go somewhere and try to connect with life and nature. It’s good you’ve realized and acknowledged that you are not feeling right. You need to get a hold of yourself before you can love what you love and enjoy it more.
|
I started an antidepressant, bupropion, back in November. It was for another reason but, a few months on, I've never been more productive or optimistic about my research. I've spent the last decade working on lifestyle modifications to help my depression and thought I had some stability with them. I just figured i was one of those unhappy people. Turns out it was my neurotransmitters. I'm not saying that medication is right for everyone but I can't tell you how nice it is to realize that I'm actually capable of this PhD and also it doesn't have to feel like death the whole time. Edited to add: Finding the right medication is definitely worth it. Work with your doc - the wrong or inconsistent medication could make things worse. <3
| 0 | 20 | 2.333333 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs762fv
|
gs7ajbk
| 1,616,695,680 | 1,616,697,543 | 2 | 7 |
I would be careful in acting on the thoughts you have now, as what you're saying sounds very irrational. No doubt this is caused by the flux of negative emotions you're experiencing right now. First off, it's very unfortunate that your girlfriend wants to break up with you. While I haven't ever been in a relationship I wouldn't interpret this as being a result of your choices to pursue academics. It's far more likely that your girlfriend has been falling out of love with you. Even if it is because of the reasons she stated (you and her moving in different directions), are you absolutely sure that you care enough for her to forsake your academic prospects for her? Putting that aside, you seem to have a very negative self-view. You're claiming that you might be too soft for the academic world, but the idea that you need to be tough to survive in academia seems ludicrous to me. Sure you need to work hard and have perseverance, but I can assure you that this will be expected from you in whatever career path you take. Since you've been depressed for most of your life, I'm wondering whether you've ever seen a therapist? If not I can suggest giving it a try. You're in a precarious position so I would advise against making hasty decisions. I would urge you to try and combat this negative outlook on life, as difficult as it may be. You are allowed to feel sad, but expecting the worst, undervaluing your own skills, worrying about the future, and whether you'll be happy are undermining your ability to deal with adversity. They instead serve as a self-fulfilling prophecy. You need to learn to take care of yourself by being more compassionate and forgiving towards yourself, by accepting the uncertainties in your life for what they are without worrying about them too much. Finally, several of the problems you cite seem to be in your head. Depression is a silent killer, all the more so when you have all these negative thoughts to deal with. Regardless of what you're going through, regardless of how you feel, you can only focus on the things which you have control over in this moment. Worrying about happiness is understandable, but ultimately meaningless. You are going to have good days, and you are going to have bad days. There are no certainties regarding the outcome of your endeavors. There are also no certainties on whether you're skilled enough. All you can do is learn to trust your own skills and judgment. Even if you graduate, you might not be able to enter the academic world. I would nevertheless encourage you not to quit. That degree has more than one use to it. As for how you're feeling right now, if you have someone you can reach out to, do so. Talk to them. Express your feelings. Maybe you have the opportunity to take a break?
|
I started an antidepressant, bupropion, back in November. It was for another reason but, a few months on, I've never been more productive or optimistic about my research. I've spent the last decade working on lifestyle modifications to help my depression and thought I had some stability with them. I just figured i was one of those unhappy people. Turns out it was my neurotransmitters. I'm not saying that medication is right for everyone but I can't tell you how nice it is to realize that I'm actually capable of this PhD and also it doesn't have to feel like death the whole time. Edited to add: Finding the right medication is definitely worth it. Work with your doc - the wrong or inconsistent medication could make things worse. <3
| 0 | 1,863 | 3.5 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs7ajbk
|
gs7288z
| 1,616,697,543 | 1,616,694,088 | 7 | 1 |
I started an antidepressant, bupropion, back in November. It was for another reason but, a few months on, I've never been more productive or optimistic about my research. I've spent the last decade working on lifestyle modifications to help my depression and thought I had some stability with them. I just figured i was one of those unhappy people. Turns out it was my neurotransmitters. I'm not saying that medication is right for everyone but I can't tell you how nice it is to realize that I'm actually capable of this PhD and also it doesn't have to feel like death the whole time. Edited to add: Finding the right medication is definitely worth it. Work with your doc - the wrong or inconsistent medication could make things worse. <3
|
Same here. Depression and anxiety have really held me back in my program, and the combination of those two things have been detrimental to my familial and personal relationships. It is a struggle everyday. It has been work to get out of bed or off the couch some days. I’ve managed to cope with therapy, having healthier diet and exercise, regular positive affirmations, meditation/relaxation, finding a balance between work and relationships, and trusting that whatever direction I take professionally, I’ll be where I’m needed and meant to be.
| 1 | 3,455 | 7 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs6yqbi
|
gs6xanb
| 1,616,692,651 | 1,616,692,072 | 7 | 5 |
Just get a regular software development job, people are nicer and you get paid more
|
Samesies. I've recently found out working out gives me just enough willpower to do actual work though (e.g. I will go cycling for 1hr which makes me kinda happy and then ride that wave of positiveness into doing actual work). Not sure whether you've found the physical activity that just boosts your mood, but maybe try looking for one? (I want to point out that for me, it doesn't work out with any activity though - running makes me sad and depressed, whereas cycling just hits that sweet spot).
| 1 | 579 | 1.4 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs6xanb
|
gs7q9ax
| 1,616,692,072 | 1,616,704,020 | 5 | 7 |
Samesies. I've recently found out working out gives me just enough willpower to do actual work though (e.g. I will go cycling for 1hr which makes me kinda happy and then ride that wave of positiveness into doing actual work). Not sure whether you've found the physical activity that just boosts your mood, but maybe try looking for one? (I want to point out that for me, it doesn't work out with any activity though - running makes me sad and depressed, whereas cycling just hits that sweet spot).
|
I feel like I could’ve written your post. My solution was to throw my resume to the wind and see where it sticks. Turns out the only industry jobs I get interviews for are at the scientist/senior scientist level where I’d spend my days programming and analyzing data. It is awful in the sense that I know I don’t want a job where I’m programming all day. This has been awesome in the sense that some of these multinational companies really want people with our skills. And they’re willing to pay. Think bonuses that will pay off your student loans in 2-3 years. It’s not like you’d be programming forever. Within 2-5 years you’d likely transition to more leadership roles. Who knows. It pays to talk to these people to see what they have to offer. This way if we go full steam ahead with academia at least we’ll know what we’ve walked away from. I’d suggest you apply to some jobs. It’s a huge confidence boost to see the response from these companies. And you’ll gain clarity about your goals by talking about yourself, your work, and hour goals.
| 0 | 11,948 | 1.4 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs6xanb
|
gs808wp
| 1,616,692,072 | 1,616,708,517 | 5 | 6 |
Samesies. I've recently found out working out gives me just enough willpower to do actual work though (e.g. I will go cycling for 1hr which makes me kinda happy and then ride that wave of positiveness into doing actual work). Not sure whether you've found the physical activity that just boosts your mood, but maybe try looking for one? (I want to point out that for me, it doesn't work out with any activity though - running makes me sad and depressed, whereas cycling just hits that sweet spot).
|
It sounds like a lot all at once, and I’m sorry you’re struggling. I experienced something similar this year in terms of my views on academia as a future. I know academia isn’t for me, but I’m not sure what is for me and it’s very disorienting. Like what happened? I used to love this and now I hate it. I used to be so motivated, and now I couldn’t care less about my research. I think some of it is pandemic-related. But I also think as I learned more about academia, I learned I don’t love it. I try to view these realizations with optimism. Like “now I can try something new”. Or at least “thankfully, I realized this now instead of ten years from now”. It doesn’t always work, but it’s something. I think the most helpful thing for me is reflecting on all the very different things I’ve done personally and professionally that have brought me joy and have nothing to do with academia. These things remind me I can find a new vocation that fills me with joy once I’m done. I’m sure my new career path will be a spur of the moment decision. And I’m sure I’ll find as much or more joy as I found in academia and all earlier endeavors. Things just work out that way. I don’t think it’s worth stressing about now because I don’t have to make any decision yet. I also figure “if don’t know what I want to do, then thinking about it over-and-over won’t provide any clarity”. I’m only going to solve things by gathering new information. You mentioned academia was your whole life. If it really is the only thing you know, definitely try something else. Even something unrelated to your degree, something you think you’ll dislike, and/or something you know you don’t plan to do for very long. Maybe consider picking up an old passion or trying out something new that piques your interest.
| 0 | 16,445 | 1.2 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs6v69b
|
gs6xanb
| 1,616,691,218 | 1,616,692,072 | 3 | 5 |
I really don't know what to say, just that I hope everything works out. I know you are taking meds, but maybe can look for a psychologist/therapist?
|
Samesies. I've recently found out working out gives me just enough willpower to do actual work though (e.g. I will go cycling for 1hr which makes me kinda happy and then ride that wave of positiveness into doing actual work). Not sure whether you've found the physical activity that just boosts your mood, but maybe try looking for one? (I want to point out that for me, it doesn't work out with any activity though - running makes me sad and depressed, whereas cycling just hits that sweet spot).
| 0 | 854 | 1.666667 | ||
md0lxg
|
askacademia_train
| 0.99 |
My Depression is Killing my Ability to Work I don't really know where to start, or to an extent, even what I'm here to ask... Let me preface with I love academics. They have always been an important part of my life, and I've always used them as a distraction from when my life is too much/feels overwhelming. I have had serious depression issues all my life, and am being medicated for them for a few years now. The meds arrangement I have isn't great, but it's better than nothing I guess. Recently, I've found myself questioning if I am really meant for this. I love research, reading and writing papers, but I am hitting the point where I have no happiness anymore in my life anymore. The things I used to love, that I used to continue going on, are becoming more and more difficult to do. It's at the point that even though academics are one of the few things that are keeping me going, my mental distress is now preventing me from being able to make the most basic progress possible. My long-term girlfriend recently decided that she doesn't think our lives are going to be going the same direction and wants to end things so she doesn't prevent me from having the life I typically thought I would have (family with kids, etc.). It really took me by surprise, but now I am looking at my life, where I am now, where I am heading, and if I am ever going to be happy. My main realization is I don't think academia is meant for someone like me. I'm soft, sensitive, just searching for a glimmer of happiness, and I feel like all I find in academics is isolation and loneliness. I feel absolutely lost because I just about hate everything else I could do with my degree except academia (engineering, but all the jobs I am best suited for are programming-related related, which I don't particularly enjoy). Here is my issue - What now? If I don't go on in academia, I have no idea what the hell I'll ever do. I don't feel mentally OK. I don't feel like I can have a job, a life like some people. Quite frankly, I feel like, aside from academia, I don't have a place in the world. But it seems like now I am losing my ability to even do that. That leaves me in an interesting state - I think I'm longing for something that just doesn't exist. I am going to keep going, but I am really questioning the reasoning as to why I am continuing on like this. I think I am forcing myself to keep going and there is no light at the end of this tunnel, just a brick wall I am going to run face-first into. I know COVID has been isolating, and many who have never had depression before are experiencing it. I am a slightly different case, I've had it all my life, I have been constantly depressed since I was in undergrad and now feel like there's nothing out there for me. Its a heartbreaking realization to come to, but I feel like maybe, I should save everyone some time and just leave on a "high-note" (before it becomes so painfully obvious to everyone that I'm a hollow shell of the man I once was).
|
gs6yqbi
|
gs6v69b
| 1,616,692,651 | 1,616,691,218 | 7 | 3 |
Just get a regular software development job, people are nicer and you get paid more
|
I really don't know what to say, just that I hope everything works out. I know you are taking meds, but maybe can look for a psychologist/therapist?
| 1 | 1,433 | 2.333333 |
Subsets and Splits
No community queries yet
The top public SQL queries from the community will appear here once available.