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Didn’t this news come from Russian state controlled media? Perhaps it’s all horseshit to try and play down the future destruction of a pretty clear target for Ukraine.
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2024-09-08
Ukraine has a potential opportunity if the NGF tries to withdraw in order to defend Kursk. If they harry the Russians all the way, the NGF could find itself pinched between the invasion force and the defenders currently in Vovchansk. Even a relatively small detachment hitting its rear while it's trying to fight the 80th in front would be a bad time for the Russians.
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2024-09-08
Give 'em hell, boys!
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2024-09-08
Kursk is a highway and railway hub. If they can get, even to a few km radius of Kursk, and a section a bit more east, Ukraine can HIMARS Belgorod, the whole track on the way to Kursk, and effectively cut off the entire northern line.... I do believe.
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2024-09-08
F-16s are a very good deterrent
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2024-09-08
Ukraine knows eventually they will have to negotiate. Especially if cheeto boy wins. It's a brilliant play. If they can hold territory their leverage goes from weak to strong.
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2024-09-08
The fun thing is that the glide bombs stop really working now. When you have an enemy on the move, by the time you nail in their position and get the bombs off they've probably moved up to a kilometer off
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2024-09-08
A referendum was held and 98% voted to become a part of Ukraine.
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2024-09-08
I am just guessing but NATO or US probably did not green light attacks on Russian territories then. Also Ukraine had its own problem on the command and control . The decentralized structure worked great on defense but not so well on offense.
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2024-09-08
"Impressive to see how Ukraine’s forces are holding their ground. These brigades are clearly making a huge difference!
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2024-09-08
Yeah, no.
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2024-09-08
If only they had a large invasion force ready to go at the spot that they undermined, maybe to invade through the gap or something. That would have really stopped the Ukrainians.
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2024-09-08
Seeing these brigades in action makes it clear that Ukraine is putting up one heck of a fight. Respect to all involved!
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2024-09-08
Care to elaborate? This is literally a tactic that has been used very successfully before.
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2024-09-08
And a general mobilization would take weeks if not months to get those fresh troops to the front lines. The logistics of getting those new soldiers equipment and food would be a nightmare to do under the current circumstances where they are barely supplying the existing forces.
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2024-09-08
Putin won’t want to go down in history as the first person to drop a nuclear bomb on his own nation.
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2024-09-08
The problem is in a war it's not that difficult to fix. Shoot it with some missiles to turn it to rubble, bulldoze it flat, and lay track over it. If the goal is speed, this probably only takes a couple days If you want to actually impact it, you'd either do it to miles and miles of track (maybe pouring concrete on the tracks for miles?). But it's still not that effective. I think the other poster saying switches and bridges, that's stuff that takes longer to fix
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2024-09-08
It makes you wonder who's responsible for the detonation. If you know you're about to be sent on a suicide mission, your odds might be better sabotaging your own base of operations so you never get sent.
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2024-09-08
Breach the Kremlin walls. Let the Russian people take care of the rest.
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2024-09-08
‘Allow’ lol.
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2024-09-08
I always love when people conflate Iraq and Afghanistan, 2 countries nothing like each other.
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2024-09-08
Thank you so much! :)
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2024-09-08
As long as they don't push *too* deep, they still have the Ukrainian border to their back. Which is territory they've long held and fortified, and that Russia has failed to take. We also don't really know what kind of work is happening behind Ukrainian lines right now. I don't know for sure but I imagine Ukraine has had it's main defenses somewhere between the city of Sumy and the border. If they can act quickly during this incursion they might be able to move those defensive lines even closer to the Russian border, so even if Russia regroups and pushes Ukrainian forces back... suddenly they face a situation where no mans land extends well into Russian territory.
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2024-09-08
I think the main idea is to demoralize the russian population. One of their marketing slogans for this war is "We don't leave our people behind". And now we have multiple villages and at least one town abandoned by government officials as soon as the Ukrainian army got close to them. Some military units ran away too. The government denied the incursion for at least two days. YouTube is being blocked. People were basically abandoned. I think the main point here is to show people of russia the government doesn't care about them.
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2024-09-08
it's all ball bearings these days.
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2024-09-08
ya mate how do I quench my thirst for cocky kadyrovite akhmat Silas?
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2024-09-08
So the deadline for Ukraine is January if Trump is re-elected. However if Kamala wins the best position will have passed. So a bird in the hand or see if there’s one in the bushes? 🤷🏽‍♂️
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2024-09-08
Ok sure buddy. You would probably also say Oct. 8 didn't happen either.
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2024-09-08
Fun fact: the most recent Hamas leader that Israel assassinated was born into a refugee camp because Israelis had razed his parents' village to the ground and then expelled or murdered everyone who lived there. After taking part in peaceful protests while attending university, he was thrown in prison for three years, then expelled from the country along with 200 other activists whose only crime had been speaking out against actual Israeli crimes. So weird how he ended up joining an armed resistance group. Whatever could have possibly motivated him to think that violence was the only answer?
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2024-09-08
The article makes it sound like Russias biggest hope to blunt this attack it to redeploy from vovchansk, but those forces couldn’t even break through Ukrainian defense there so why would the UAF holding the line there not chase them while they redeploy?
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2024-09-08
Lol is there a video of this?
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2024-09-08
It stated "joined the invasion of Russia" not just joined the war.
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2024-09-08
You are. Ukraine is our ally. And we don't let our allies get destroyed by hostile powers. Ukraine signed a treaty with Russia. Ukraine removed all of its nukes, and Russia promised to never invade.  Russia violated that treaty in 2014. They launched a full scale war 800 days ago. They are the aggressors and they are in the wrong. If you want money to be spent on America, you'll have to kick out the Republicans who refuse to allow it.
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2024-09-08
And the kingdom of Israel was on that land in 930bce, so what's your point?
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2024-09-08
Tunnels and bridges are weak points, however... Bridges and tunnels are also quite hard to destroy. History has quite a few examples of bridges that kept standing even though they received insane bombardments
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2024-09-08
Is there a video?
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2024-09-08
Some of them underwater…
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2024-09-08
.... Because Russia invaded Ukraine? Didn't know that question needed an answer.
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2024-09-08
Eh he better not tbh. It's not a movie. In a IRL war you better be humble or you get humbled whichever side you are. It would surely be entertaining, but nobody has a plot armor IRL
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2024-09-08
No they aren’t.
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2024-09-08
Winter is coming
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2024-09-08
I love how this has caught our pundit generals so off guard that they cannot acknowledge this as a general success to this point. Much as the predicted a route of the Ukraines by the might Russian war machine before the invasion and it took week for them to acknowledge that it failed it main goals! Glad they’re retired.
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2024-09-08
Russia couls also go like in WW1 and collapse before they even get to moscow.
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2024-09-08
All Putin understands is power, so this punch to the face is very appropriate and necessary to begin the end of this. How many punches is he willing to take? Too many. It’s the way of the Dvor and the only way out.
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2024-09-08
Without modern machines, large work crews can lay miles and miles of track in a day. It's a simple operation, trivially parallelizable, and doesn't need a lot of materials.
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2024-09-08
Chechnya is part of Russia, you know that right? But to be specific, the person who is "in charge" of Chechnya is Kadyrov, a Putin loyalist.
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2024-09-08
Yes ... and Russia doesn't exactly have a nice history with Chechnya
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2024-09-08
No, but I also don't know if that's the right word for this situation, it makes it sound like the Ukrainians are starting a conflict.  Counter-invasion would be more appropriate. 
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2024-09-08
I hope so too, but what you're military is doing you should be very proud. I would fight to death if I had to for my country also.
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And? The person in control of Chechnya, who commands the Chechen militants, does what Putin says willingly. They were literally part of the initial invasion of Ukraine in the north. Chechens were committing war crimes trying to get to Zelenskyy to assassinate him. Two were caught trying to blow past military checkpoints in Kyiv in an ambulance.
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2024-09-08
His imagination.
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2024-10-08
Considering that capitulation was unsuccessful when Putin in aded Ukraine in 2014, sending money is the best option. Failing that, support politicians who want to aid Ukraine.
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2024-10-08
Someone get the horse hollowing out spoon.
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What's to justify? They are literally fighting a war against an invading nation set on eradicating their country and culture. Why would they possibly need to justify doing what it takes to strike back against such an aggressor?
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2024-09-08
If Russia thinks Ukraine is part of Russia, then it's just Russia attacking Russia anyways /s
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2024-09-08
Haven't read the article but I hope they justify it as a peace keeping mission.
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2024-09-08
Just a special operation
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2024-09-08
Hoping they destroy and weaken the Russian military along the way and maybe cause havoc and chaos in the major cities.
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2024-09-08
Circling around to flank Donbass forces.  Pushing out to the best defensible positions....those are big jobs.  Not impossible, but not something that will succeed casually. 
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«Jade McGlynn, a Ukraine expert and research fellow at King’s College London, said: “As a military strategy, I remain a bit puzzled…» Do you really have to be a military strategy expert to see the strategic value in this? Attack enemy where they are open -> force them to react by deploying manpower and resources -> said manpower and resources now cannot be used to attack you somewhere else. The most textbook thing I can imagine, as a layman.
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2024-09-08
Because Ukraine's allies argue against it.
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There are reports (by Russians) of the Ukrainian invaders telling the local civilians to “learn Ukrainian and prepare for a referendum.”
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They sent in 2 armoured brigades, up a major supply and communication route as I understand it. Meanwhile the local Russian forces appear to be in disarray and it seems like a lot of their other units are committed elsewhere right now. Time will tell how they will respond but this could get interesting, it also might shake loose a lot more foreign support if they show they can do more than bog the Russians down in an endless attentional war. The Ukrainians are playing to an international audience, including inside Russia, remember about a year ago there was mutiny amongst the Russian forces, now there are Ukrainian tanks in the Kursk Oblast, that doesn't bode well for a strong man authoritarian leader. This is bad for the Russians tactically but terrible for them politically, and I think it is only going to get worse.
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2024-09-08
They don’t need to justify shit, I hope they roll all the way to Moscow
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2024-09-08
Imagine justifying yourself to others for punching back the bully who is beating you on the ground.
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2024-09-08
I wonder where the Russians could have come up with an idea like that from?!
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2024-09-08
Uncivil war
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2024-09-08
Seems like a last ditch attempt to increase leverage at the negotiating table during peace talks.
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2024-09-08
99% not what is happening. They are way too far away for that (you can see it clearly on live ua map), at current pace it would take weeks at best to even reach contested Ukrainian territories, while moving through enemy territory with a high risk of being encircled.
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2024-09-08
It'd make much more sense if they're on a run to Moscow
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> I do hate that the affective tactics for Ukraine is to follow much of Russias playbook. To just bring cities to ruble, and attack the power infrastructure inside Russia. To be fair - destruction we've seen in the videos so far is limited to what is absolutely necessary to achieve their objectives, and not the "advancing by leveling city blocks" we see from Russia. I have no doubt that'll come still - by Russia, when they try to capture those areas back. But I'd rather have Russia bomb Russian cities than Ukrainians.
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2024-09-08
Lmao in what world do you live in? Ukraine has no chance. And before any idiot accuses me of being some Russian bot remember that one thing is what it should happen, another thing is what will most likely happen. This has been doomed from the start. USA will drop Ukraine as soon as Iran/Israel blows up or china sets foot in Taiwan. And the EU is just using Ukraine as a shield until they get their own defenses up. There is a 0% chance Ukraine does anything significant in Russian territory.
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2024-09-08
Reminds me of one anecdote I saw years ago from a German who lived through WW2. They knew Germany was losing the war because the “crushing German victories” kept getting closer to Berlin.
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2024-09-08
If they skirt the city and capture the power station, it would be fairly simple to redirect its power into their grid. If the Russians try to blow it up, that’ll be a big nuclear problem 40km away from Kursk city. All in all, pretty decent chip.
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2024-09-08
The hunter became the prey...
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2024-09-08
Na, fuck it, call it an invasion to add insult to injury.
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2024-09-08
Russia is confused! It hurts itself in its confusion
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2024-09-08
Thats a long way to go without a supply line
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2024-09-08
The Kurchatov nuclear power plant is close by. They could switch off quite a big bit of russia.
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2024-09-08
A piece of Russia, for a piece of Ukraine. Fair trade.
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2024-09-08
I’m supportive of Ukraine, but we need to be careful about this kind of mentality. They can and have justified this because of their situation. But they don’t have a free pass on anything, just because of what their aggressor are doing. It’s this kind of mentality that the likes of Benny Morris use to justify ethnic cleansing following the ‘48 Arab invasion of Israel. Just because their enemy has stooped to that level, doesn’t mean you get a free pass for everything.
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2024-09-08
Yes of course, i was just trying to point out the negative aspects of it. The Ukrainan leadership probably thought now that because they are under big pressure in the donbas, the asvantages probably outweigh the disadvantages to it.
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2024-09-08
the doodlebugs raids are spit attacks are redundant in the face of long terms bombing campaigns which in turn are incorrectly used as an attempt to intimidate the population into defeat, you're already hitting population centres by 1940 and it didnt work doodlebugs are just an extension on an already failed strategy. It's also worth noting that the British public are already engaged in a total war they're aware they might not win. By contrast the urkraine offensive would be the equivalent of the viet kong being able to strike directly at USA and capture territory after it became clear the US couldn't just overun the Vietnaam.
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2024-09-08
Dude timetravelled from the cursed timeline to ours bruh
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2024-09-08
Also, ukraine now has something that they can actually bargain with in peace negotiations. If that ever happens.
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2024-09-08
If it achieves a favourable attrition ratio for Ukraine then it may be worth it. That might be the aim, to pick a fight with Russia where the Ukrainians think they would have an advantage rather than pouring more reinforcements to the most intense part of the Donbas front. If the Ukrainians take advantage of surprise to take a chunk of territory, and then prepare for a Russian counterattack, they could inflict far greater equipment losses than they take. The Ukrainians are not surrounded on 3 sides, they advanced across their own border and mainly control the area directly along it. There's no real vulnerable bulge. If it's a bulge then Ukraine's existing border was a bulge but wasn't attacked since the end of the initial Russian invasion towards Kyiv.
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2024-09-08
They don’t need to justify it. Russia invaded their country. Russia has been lucky they haven’t had a very small taste of their own medicine until now.
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2024-09-08
Almost real-time, constant stream of information (true and false, mostly latter) happened.
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2024-09-08
100% agree, blow transformer stations. That shit takes time, and lot of stuff in those stations are sanctioned so not that easy to build new. Don't know anything about power plants, but if the thing talked about earlier where you can blow the turbines that produce the power without affecting the nuclear side is real, do that as well. Force russia to stop the war, retreat, and most important change their political system for sanctions to be lifted so that things can be repaired. Do I think this will happen? No. But I'm still naive and desperately hold on to any sort of hope.
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2024-09-08
Drop Biden off in a parachute behind enemy lines in to Russia. Put bullet proof vest around him. Meet Putin in Moscow. Lmao
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2024-10-08
There was a video of a Russian civilian claiming that’s what the Ukrainian soldiers told him. I’ve seen it mentioned elsewhere, but it’s possible it all stems from that one video. It’s obviously a joke. The Ukrainians aren’t going to attempt to annex part of Russia. Whether or not it’s just one offhand comment or a running joke on the part of the Ukrainians I have no idea, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the latter. The irony of Ukraine invading Russia is fairly obvious.
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2024-10-08
The term alls fair in war comes to mind.
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China's incompetence is amazing. Last month they nearly destroyed a village with a static rocket test because they didn't bother to ensure that the rocket was securely tethered to the ground. (Reports say they used regular bolts connected to an erector set style gantry.) Check it out on YouTube.
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2024-09-08
Accidentally breaking apart. That’s one way to deflect blame
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we are the borg. we don't give 2 shits about anyone else.
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