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Vegan? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
The headline is kinda misleading, but even if if was 100% true, they'd create a media frenzy against lab-grown diamonds. They'd say that only poor people get them, that they're objectively worse, that people deserve bulling if they gift or wear them...
Example: Apple's marketing | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
It is an industry that needs to die anyway. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
It's built on the back of slaves and is only lucrative because of a campaign they pulled to convince people that diamonds were special for marriage, when really they're nothing special and wouldn't be worth jack shit without slaves, a hoarded supply, and fixed prices.
The countries being exploited don't exactly benefit from it. Calling it an industry doesn't give even a corner of the picture. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I don’t think it’s that. They are going for huge stones. 2/3/4 carat lab vs .5/1 carat mined. Only time will tell if this is a trend and smaller may swing back in. When I got married (pre lab) a 1 carat was sizable and 1.5-2 was huge. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
i was under the impression that most industrial diamonds (drill bits, abrasion blades, etc) were already lab grown. those are just low-grade mined diamonds ? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
We named the child laborers Artisanally so it's true | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Modern gorilla glass type materials chemically infuse the glass with impurities to put the surface in compression instead of quickly cooling then like the tempering process. Maybe something like that could possibly be done to impregnate the diamond lattice structure to prevent surface imperfections from becoming stress concentrations as well.
Here's a video explaining the gorilla glass process:
https://youtu.be/y02AXdec1sE?si=DKcyFtBgJD8NhJ7J | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Getting close. Online sites selling labs diet cheap. The settings cost more. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Don't tell me how to diamond my phone screen! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
It's like 100x, maybe 1,000x cheaper to mine industrial quality diamonds than it would be to make them. They aren't the kind of gem quality diamonds where someone has blood on their hands. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I'm no historian, but all known uses of gold seem to have come from societies that had enough free time to use it for art (in which case I imagine it's just capital, not used for exchange) and those with prosperous enough governments that they were able to establish a mint and use gold for currency. In the latter case, gold was used largely because it was rare and easy to mint, not just because it has "inherent value." | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I was at an event one time wearing diamond-style glass earrings. Not even decent crystal - the kind that are like 3 pairs for $5 that come on a piece of cardboard. Like 12 people complimented the "clarity".
They're all fakers. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Still gotta pay a jeweler to set all the stones. Which is several hours of work | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
They played themselves but they've won anyway already | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
you might says diamonds are forever a topic | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
There really is no reason to choose a mined diamond over a lab-grown diamond.
They're cheaper, ethical, same chemical composition and durability, and they are basically identical to mined diamonds. The only people who can tell them apart are jewelers with special equipment. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
The US has a history of overthrowing governments across the world. Your comparing apples to apples and can’t see it. War has been the norm under capitalism. Whether governments are ultimately overthrown or not, war has been the norm. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
It also have another important property. You can take a bullion and split it in whatever proportion you desire without losing it's total value. Can't do the same with gems, as they need to be recut, meaning at least some part would go straight to the bin. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
While their primary consumer base shrinks to nothing because they are no longer indoctrinated into this idea that material things have to be exchanged to prove love. Or that a sparkly stone somehow has more value than another sparkly stone when that sparkle is the only redeeming quality. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Give me the keys, you fuzzy sock stuffer. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Other gems for years. I have a lab emerald ring that’s over 30 years old. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Joke is on them, I cant afford diamonds | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
You’re right, you’re no historian | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Not online. 80-90% less. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Lab grown for the win! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I'm curious what you intended to write. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Good! Diamonds are such a scam anyways. Imagine paying that much for a shiny rock lol | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
The US overthrowing governments across the world is foreign aggression. Warlords are people who fight internal conflicts for power within a nation. They are not apples to apples at all.
And while I agree that capitalist countries can be militarily aggressive, that is the norm for basically any powerful country regardless of its economic system. It's not a feature of capitalism per se. The USSR launched lots of aggressive militaristic wars because it was powerful enough to bully its neighbors even though it was not capitalist. Switzerland and Luxembourg are capitalist but have never launched wars against their neighbors because they are not powerful enough to do so. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Good, the diamond industry is fake! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Orders of magnitude less pollution than mining. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Have you seen the states/countries banning lab-grown meat simply to protect the legacy industry? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I bought a 7 carat lab grown for the same price as a 2.2carat natural with the same cut and rating. And it wouldn't have been much of a price difference to get a 8 or 9 carat. Crazy | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
We're flaring off enormous amounts of natural gas from shale fields in the US, with no market to pipe it to, were basically the only place that has natural gas as a waste byproduct.
Sounds like free electricity for a diamond manufacturing plant as long as they don't mind putting it in the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming, etc. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
r/teenagers is leaking, it seems. Have a lovely day. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
A New York State of **Mine**. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Most industrial diamond abrasives have been synthetic for decades now. Most of the large industrial diamonds used in oil drilling I believe are still natural, however. But, by volume, abrasive powder and bonded abrasives, like grinding wheels, are by far the vast majority of industrial diamond use, and that’s almost all synthetic material these days. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I mean tbf their should be a significant markup for turning gemstones and metal into a crafted piece of jewelry, depending on the craftsmanship. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Damn, except gold has been valuable for like thousands of years, throughout the entire world. But yeah, the end of society and such.. Lol. Political people are wild. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Next they’re going to blame younger generations for not wanting to buy natural diamonds never mind our concerns about blood diamonds and environmental degradation.
Many have been aware of the diamond monopoly. I think it’s only surprised me that the decline in diamonds hasn’t been more rapid | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Bunch of billionaires say they’re in trouble… profits decreasing by some percentage, but remaining profitable.
Won’t somebody think of the billionaires? Those beacons of light whom we all must worship as “job creators”?
Ok I’m in a bad mood today. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
My wife picked out a moissanite stone for her ring in place of a diamond, on purpose.
Moissanite is:
Cheaper
Lab created (so more consistent quality)
Less occluded than natural diamond at any given price point.
Whiter than natural diamond at any given price point.
Has better fire and sparkle (the atomic structure of Moissanite creates a "double-fire" effect that is impossible for diamond to replicate).
Doesn't fund global conflict (no "blood diamonds")
Tougher than diamond, better for daily wear (yeah, diamonds are hard... They're also brittle and chip easily under the wrong kind of impacts. Moissanite doesn't have the same weakness, it's both hard and tough).
At any given price point Moissanite offers bigger, whiter, more perfect, more sparkly stones than diamond at the same price.
If you bought a diamond, you got played. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
how do they deal with laminated windows? They are getting more popular for side windows now too.
Hm. They should make aftermarket laminated windows. If you lived in a city with frequent car break-ins, laminated windows would be awesome. I imagine some thief trying to smash a side window and having it crack but not break. Make it a lot harder to grab a backpack. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
2 cm^3 of a cut and processed precious gemstone for $20 fucking insane. Maybe cubes aren't that difficult to make? Still absolutely wild how cheap that is. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
They made billions off something that should be almost worthless. How did they play themselves exactly? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
"Diamond prices level off after spending the last 10 years at all time highs"
https://www.paulzimnisky.com/Long-term-Rough-Diamond-Price-Chart-with-Annotations
It's crazy that companies like De Beers seemingly never have a plan for the future. They've enjoyed mostly record profits for the last decade and make 4-6$ billion a year. Yet we're supposed to believe that they're somehow struggling?
Diamond prices could fall another 50% and they would be fine. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
How cheap have lab diamonds gotten. When I looked 2 years ago it was still around 3-4k for a 1 carat lab grown. I think I paid $1,200 for a 1.5 carat Moissanite princess cut | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Good, no more child labour sourced blood diamonds. Hope they eventually take zero from the ground. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
So the real knowledge is actually in...Google? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
They are no more brittle than glass, but much stronger.
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/s/HnJpgVlHFQ | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Back when lab grown gemstones were new tech the manufacturers put fluorescent dye into the structure so people could easily tell the difference between a "fake" and a "real" diamond with a black light. I'm not suggesting that they did this because the diamond cartel would kill them, but avoiding industry conflict probably put some incentive there. Keep in mind that some gems like ruby can sometimes fluoresce naturally because of natural contaminants, not saying all rubies do but some do.
Otherwise the quality of lab grown diamonds/emeralds/rubies/sapphires would be considered the highest possible grade, indistinguishable other than that they were too perfect. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Wedding rings are such terrible dowry. Save that money for a downpayment on a house. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
How did they not think of buying their own labs and take the industry back? Give those miners an education to work the new machines and they look like heroes for saving the environment and the upward social mobility the new work brings. Sell the land for development because diamonds are essential a needed by inexpensive commodity and it becomes housing or nature preserve. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Jeep got sued for that. I wonder how long before tesla does too.
MY in-law's BMW has some dumb shifter too. I try and get out and find out I'm in reverse, because park is a tiny separate button. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
quick, lets all weep for the industry that's known for removing it's employees limbs | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
They're generally pretty easy to tell apart because the higher quality one is the one that was made in a lab. Also, the rare diamond colors that were previously unusual and seriously expensive can just be dialed into the process. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Gold's too soft and bends easily. Get platinum instead. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
The ads used to say
> Only real diamonds have no flaws.
And now
> Only real diamonds have flaws. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
That was an emerald mine, and it wasn't really that successful. By the time Erol got involved, the mine had basically already dried up. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Mine to yours. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Gold still has industrial uses. In fact, gold is better than copper for wires, etc., we just use copper because it's much cheaper. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Good. Fuck those assholes | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
It's yet another industry that Millennials rightfully need to lead to the gallows. Let's chalk up another kill! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Good, we don't need blood diamonds that are just artificially priced | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Those warehouses in Africa that are 5 stories high and miles long filled diamonds are gong to be a subject of discussion | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
They had a good couple hundred year run of slavery, murder, tax evasion, and inflated prices. I think maybe too long of a run if we're being honest. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Also, you can just get giant CZs and nobody can tell the difference from across the room anyway. I actually think it's hilarious how much it annoys people who like to flex with their idiotic $20k rings that my wife's 3x2ct CZ ring has bigger, near-flawless stones and a better design for under $1000. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Diamond is a carbon carbon bond, making it organic. Moisanite is silicon carbide, making it technically not organic. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
This is just great, this is one of lifes mysteries to me. It must be one of historys greatest scams paying money for a rock. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Hee hee! This makes me unjustifiably happy. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Blood free diamonds | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
And close to worthless. They put them on drill bits for crying out loud.
Try this take an engagement ring to a jeweler to sell they will give you the gold worth only.
And lastly there is a state park in Arkansas that you are allowed to dig for diamonds and if you find one you can keep it! Why? Because they make way more money charging people 15 bucks to try their luck then if they were to mine it. I know I went there for in April. Spoiler alert I did not find any but it was fun. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Slavery free organic artisanal diamonds | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Good, why the fuck are we ripping up the planet or forcing people at gun point to mine this shit? Because "shiny rock pretty"? Fuck that. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Good. Overpriced nonsense. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Moissanite is a beautiful and inexpensive stone. It positively radiates in the light, exploding with the colors of the rainbow. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
You can’t under a microscope you can see the lab grown ones and perfectly flawless | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Diamond is not an organic compound under that definition, as it's not a compound but an element. Graphite isn't an organic compound for the same reason.
The definition of organic molecules being any compound containing carbon would include moissanite and exclude diamonds.
The CC and CH definition would exclude both.
Elemental carbon is what diamond and graphite are. They aren't compounds. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
3d printed diamonds you can make at home with a printer is the future. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I've heard of ass pennies, but never ass diamonds. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I used to be a sucker and buy mined diamonds, but my wife has convinced me to buy lab-grown, I know they're essentially a real diamond, the machine doesn't differentiate between lab-grown and blood diamond. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
What, am I supposed to feel sorry for DeBeers? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
If it shines like a diamond, has the same hardness and chemical composition as a diamond and can be used interchangeably with a diamond for all intents and purposes, but it doesn’t bleed like a diamond, is it still a diamond? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Artificially inflated.. artificially deflated.
It's like easy come, easy go.. except artificial scarcity was fixed by artificial manufacturing. Artificial scarcity fixed. Yay science fixing greed. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Profits dropping 30% in two years would be considered "trouble" for just about any industry. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
The funny thing about gold is it does have intrinsic value and use, but it is almost entirely OPPOSITE of what the goldbugs think. It has certain properties that make it a natural store of value for stable political economies of certain size, but it has little value to decentralized communities and none at all to hunter gatherers. Gold bugs like to draw a straight line from like, Urak to today without looking at pretty much everything else in the world.
And yeah, following a societal collapse, gold definitely loses its value. In post Roman Britain, tons of gold was just buried in chests and never retrieved, because you couldn't use it for anything practical, it was hard to transport, and hard to defend. Same pattern in post bronze age collapse and plenty of other places.
Its probably fair to say, that gold has properties that means the value will always rebound, so if you managed to keep your gold safe, it will have value afterwards. But this is again the opposite of what people think, because it is when the shit hits the fan that gold suddenly becomes heavy and useless, and only comes back into play when stability returns and you aren't worried about random bandits or finding food.
Funny enough, Bitcoin as the digital gold has the identical issue. Without a stable electric grid and internet, Bitcoin ceases to even exist, yet people like to pretend it will be useful in the end of the world, instead of like, bottlecaps. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Bro, I can totally wire my apocalypse truck’s speaker system with premium gold cables, it absolutely has value! /s | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
And our great new friend Coltan. Mmm, can't wait to see our Lithium batteries | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
ohhhh, I see where everyone is getting mixed up now. Everyone is arguing about the “organic” definition, but not the definition for a “compound”.
You’re correct that diamond isn’t compound at all because it only contains one element (carbon). And since it’s not a compound, it’s not an organic compound. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
\^ This guy fuckin' gets it. Thanks for saying it a lot more eloquently than I did. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
> Gold has been valuable for thousands of years because we've had functioning societies for thousands of years
But here's the thing: if shit hits the fan, we're still going to have "functioning societies". You're not going to like what they'll look like, but they'll function.
Gold will hold at least some value, but the libertarian fantasy runs into problems in a different way. It imagines that a basic respect for private property will survive, or at least an individualistic "every man for himself" survivalist scenario. That's just not what will happen... which is precisely why gold will still have value. The ironic part is that the libertarian fantasy of radical self reliance would destroy the value of gold, while a much more realistic scenario where gold holds its value would end very poorly for them.
"Society collapsing where you need to collect rainwater and hunt animals" is just not what collapse looks like. You're not going to be bear grills eeking out a survivalist existence or trading your gold stocks with a few other rugged individualist survivors. We know what a more primitive and brutal base social structure looks like - you're going to be a fucking *slave*.
You say gold has been valuable because people want to make jewelry out of it to show that they're wealthy enough to do so, but you don't really interrogate the social dynamics that created that pressure in the first place... even in marginal societies struggling for subsistence. Society could collapse entirely, and there will still be men on horses with sharp sticks taking your stuff and making you produce food for them.
Those men will be locked in a highly competitive and status obsessed hierarchy, desperate to set themselves apart and justify their position through their own self proclaimed superiority. They also won't really give a shit how many people need to starve to produce a meager surplus in the process. Status symbols will become if anything *more* important, because status symbols are an integral part of warlordism.
Gold has been a status symbol since *prehistory*. When people were living miserable existences scraping out bare subsistence with a meager surplus using primitive agricultural techniques, starving and living miserable and artificially shortened lives due to malnutrition and maltreatment, there were still strongmen who dedicated their entire *lives* to the accumulation of status symbols and the flaunting of wealth.
The libertarians are foolish because a world in which gold is still prized is also probably a world where thugs smash their heads in and take it, but no matter how much society falls apart there will still be hierarchy, there will still be men using violence to call themselves better than everyone else, and those men (or their wives) will be wearing gold. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
They’re saying that diamond isn’t a compound at all because it only contains carbon, which is correct. So therefore it’s not an organic compound (since it isn’t a compound to begin with). | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
I'm more interested in why applications for perfect lab grade diamonds exist that are restricted by cost. Like I remember reading a lot about optical computing hardware but back then costs were insane. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
When my wife and I were looking 5 or so years ago. We weren't too happy with the options and the lady suggested designing our own and it was so much simpler than I thought. Custom designed engagement ring with a lab made sapphire and it was still 1-2 k cheaper then their equivalent that they had on display. The lab made sapphire seriously looks so much better than mined sapphires. We're still so happy with our decision. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
This. Diamonds are a semi-precious gemstone. Sure you dont find them lying around as much as opals, but when you do find them, you find them in complete and utter *abundance*
There are whole mines that the DeBeer's group bought up and poured concrete over in order to prevent anyone from extracting stones. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
does this mean I can afford a diamond sword now? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
10 - 20% of the market ...*so far*
The only thing preventing a crash is that it takes almost as long to make a diamond as it does to extract a diamond. But the one constant about technology is that it always gets faster and cheaper.
Someday in the future, you'll be able to buy a diamond maker at Hobby Lobby and use them for all your hobby and crafting needs. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
cleansed of impurities by virgin blood. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
*..another great day of saving the DeBeers.* | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
Am I supposed to care that the diamond industry is in trouble? Because I don't.
I'm more concerned with rising food & housing prices. I can't sleep under, or eat a diamond. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-05-06 |
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