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They may not touch the data directly but does it say anywhere that they won’t query the local lla trained on this data to get insights about your usage (bypassing the data) and use or sell those?
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2024-07-06
The funny part is when you remember that once upon a time they got into big legal trouble and were told that they couldn't integrate their browser that closely into the OS. Give them 20 years and they went ahead and did it anyway. If they had their way no other browsers would even work on Windows but Edge. I still can't delete it now without risking extreme system problems. So tell me again that they didn't just say FU to that court decision and go there anyway?
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2024-07-06
I think the idea was "AI is going to be so helpful, people will accept it"
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2024-07-06
And learn how to use the console a little bit, and quit fuckin complaining about it. The console is useful. Even on Windows.
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2024-07-06
What version are you talking about? I work IT in finance with government contracts and I've never heard of such a thing. There are security baselines galore telling you what settings to set, but there is no special stripped-down version. The closest thing is LTSC (Long Term Servicing Channel) but that's not for government, that's for stuff you don't want to have to update. And that's stripped of a whole bunch of stuff, security or otherwise, because they don't want to support it for 10 years. But it's still got all the telemetry and stuff.
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2024-07-06
Noted. I use Office 2021 (not everything needs to be a damned subscription service), which I'm sure is even less supported. There's a half-decent chance I'll have to run a windows 10 VM for office.
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2024-07-06
I reinstalled Windows 11 pro today. Without trying to hack my way through it (I do know about shift-F10 OOBE\BYPASSNRO) I was forced to create a Microsoft account and opt out of FOUR subscriptions. I paid $150 for the software as it is. And then they want to record everything? But the real bitch is that they *do not care* if you don't trust them. You're going to pay anyway, because what's the alternative? Linux and LibreOffice? To open, what, deliberately broken Microsoft Office documents? To join to a domain with less than half of the functionality you'd get because it's also deliberately broken for non-Microsoft clients? Mac and ... Office? No, you're going to pay, and you will hate every second of it, but Microsoft has the business world by the balls and they know it. In a sane world, the antitrust work against Microsoft would have never stopped.
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2024-07-06
Got to love having to edit the registry to make a computer usable...
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2024-07-06
I agree, on paper it's really cool, also really creepy... I'm not even sure 100% if I'd want it enabled or not.. I think I'm leaning towards not just because I don't know that I'd ever use it
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2024-07-06
Not only is it stored on device, you need to either hack the software or have a specific AI chip installed in the hardware to turn it on.
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2024-07-06
Because we're in an environment where they can get away with it - i.e. regulatory capture. And if not, they now have the ability to control you pretty handily if they can read and predict your patterns of behavior, so they can manipulate you into opposing or not caring about regulation
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2024-07-06
Shareholders like ai stuff, so they are doing everything in their power to create sometime with ai that sounds cool. They never stopped to think if the users would find if creepy or not, it was never about the users.
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2024-07-06
Waiving rights doesn't like a bad thing in a contract, but it should be equally rewarding for both parties. Access to the software/device that you purchased doesn't meet that standard imo.
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2024-07-06
Companies are innovating new ideas that benefit them, not you.
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2024-07-06
My job is writing software for Windows. Even I have been buying only Linux-runs-well hardware for a couple years now.
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2024-07-06
Even if you specifically don't want to know, this is an even bigger nightmare on any type of a shared computer. Yes you probably should use profiles, but it's always going to be difficult to convince your spouse to log in with their own credentials if they just want to check one thing quick. They enter one wrong word and it's going to show them something that you absolutely didn't want them to see. Kind of like a browsing history except for everything and you can't turn it off or delete it.
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2024-07-06
What recourse does the average user have. Most people haven't even heard of Recall, and even if they did, wouldn't understand the permutations, much less the options.
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2024-07-06
I really wish I had no morals, I'd own so many stocks.
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2024-07-06
Can’t understand how product thought this was a good idea and how it would not be seen as anything but nefarious
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2024-07-06
It turns out Windows Recall is a manufacturer's recall
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2024-07-06
God dammit. Aka: "People don't want to switch to 11 because it's fucking terrible and 10 isn't, so we really need to ruin 10 too now" Noted. Makes me glad I don't permit my windows PCs regular access to Microsoft domains and block them with firewalls, but now I'll need to keep an eye out for dealbreaker updates ruining W10 too before I risk my biannual updates.
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2024-07-06
> I'm sure there are govt systems running Windows Famously, this includes the new UK carriers (WinXP, IIRC) :)
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2024-07-06
By installing linux
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2024-07-06
>In fact, it came in clutch for this very article. I had deleted a paragraph earlier in the day as I didn't think it was relevant, only later to realize I could reuse that paragraph elsewhere in the story. On a normal PC, that paragraph is gone, and I'd have to rewrite it from scratch. But with Windows Recall, I was able to go back to that point in time when I originally wrote it, copy it from there, and paste it back into my CMS. Any word processor with revision history does this already. Google Docs and even Office 365 do this. Hell, fucking emacs which got started in the 1970s does something like this with its kill-ring. So even this functionality has already been around in software that DOESN'T require something as creepy as taking continual screenshots of the things on your screen.
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2024-07-06
For a brief second, I worked at the pentagon. Everything on the desktop was running windows at the time. Servers were various flavors of unix though.
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2024-07-06
This makes me wonder how Europe will react.
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2024-07-06
It had many names because it started off with a copyright lawsuit and was shutdown and restarted multiple times, only to be shutdown again due to greedy developers, to relaunch and be shutdown again because of region changes. Etc, etc its just the entire history of the game at this point. It never really got the development it deserved so it definitely has not aged well, but the core premise of massive fps real time space battles that is does pull off is spectacular when it works. I only got ahold of the server files for it because 2 of the private server owners got into a fight and one of them released the files to spite the other. It was known as: Flysis Space Cowboys Ace Online Air Rivals Galaxy Gears Sky Fighter And quite a few other names.
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2024-07-06
It's kind of scary their other announcement about watermarking and attributing everything you create in your PC hasn't made bigger news.
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2024-07-06
I can for sure see this being useful on my work computer... But with the security issues? My line of work has me coming into contact with personal/corporate credit cards all day, 40 hours a week. Some card information is for 'ghost' cards we call them -- no limits, no real security as long as you have the number and expiration date. In corporate travel I can see this being useful for IT since we run into issues that seem to happen randomly, and by the time we reach out, it's resolved on its own until it happens again. But the financial security, sure I work through a VPN/Tunnel but still, nothing is completely secure. Especially working from home. If someone broke into my house and stole my work laptop... nothing is stored locally. Credit cards, traveler info, nothing. They would have to first break into Windows, then break into the Cisco VPN we use -- then crack another password protected program. And then, they would likely get stuck because they wouldn't have a clue how to move forward in obtaining any info. But if it was stored on the machine in Recall in the open? Fair game...
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2024-07-06
Faster horses.
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2024-07-06
Tbf, it *is* both cool and creepy. An actual useful AI assistant would be very cool. The problem is that for it to exist it needs to be trained on every about you, which is creepy.
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2024-07-06
These dudes are jacking off to the idea of you trying to go somewhere else and do half of what you do without their ecosystem. Articles like this are most likely written by them to help them edge even harder. If it weren't for gaming, I'd be knee deep in wondering how to watch youtube on a linux system by now.
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2024-07-06
> These are the people that would benefit from Recall, but they would immediately give access to whatever “Windows error logs technician” calls them and hand over their entire lives. If you've ever worked with them, you'll know they fully do not care about handing over their entire lives if it means they would get what they want from it in the moment. As long as the benefits are immediate and the consequences aren't, they'll buy it.
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2024-07-06
I'm waiting for the Microsoft Total Recall feature, where you they get you arrested as an interplanetary criminal, but you escape to Mars, kill the evil CEO, save the planet, and get the girl. Except it turns out you're still on Earth, it was all just VR, and you were lobotomized by a bad software update. When does that come out?
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2024-07-06
Microsoft wants to become your big brother.
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2024-07-06
Enshittification.
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2024-07-06
Well, that's why turning it on and off is a key feature. You use it when you need it and when you don't, it's off. In terms of a sloten device, that's why most companies require some sort of device encryption. While the file itself isn't encrypted, the entire drive is.
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2024-07-06
Without a doubt lol. He’s a badass for sure but dude definitely don’t give a shit bounties company anymore
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2024-07-06
LTSC enterprise is just enterprise. They even state they're binary identical.
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2024-07-06
On Windows 10. Avoiding 11. Going to move to Linux in the next few weeks. Started doing data backups right now to get the process started
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2024-07-06
For me it was the mandatory MS account to use windows 11.
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2024-07-06
You're underestimating how many companies still run on software that is DOS or XP based and will only work on Windows. With Apple moving to their own silicon, I wouldn't count on many companies thinking it's worth the effort to make a piece of legacy software function.
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2024-07-06
No but it requires learning so its more work the first time.
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2024-07-06
There's no way they're going to be able to resist that treasure trove: It's the nature of the corporation to always demand growth and higher profits at any price. I have had Ubuntu as my only OS for several years, and don't have to worry about this kind of nonsense.
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2024-07-06
Every fucking hour
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2024-07-06
You can unsubscribe via telelphone, for example. Or you can call your bank and explain and they’ll help you cancel or block the transaction. It should be noted that when you bought Adobe you agreed to pay for the whole thing, but in installments. You owe them the whole years worth of money, and paying for it monthly is a “gift” they give you. You cannot get out of that legally. Our rep confirmed alternative cancellations pathways as part of the ADA assessment. Edit: checked my notes: In the US it’s- 1-800-833-6687 (Individuals) 1-800-443-8158 (Teams) [[source]](https://helpx.adobe.com/contact/phone.html) You can also cancel via an agent using chat iirc. They might push back it’s a weird avenue to do that.
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2024-07-06
Good thing I only use Microsoft for the gaming.jesus. and I thought Google integrating itself into all android phones was bad.
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2024-07-06
Yeah. After 20+ years of them getting more invasive, this is the final thing that will push me to Linux as my daily driver.
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2024-07-06
The thing is, IT professionals and software engineers usually use Linux anyway so no customers lost for Microsoft. The vast majority of office workers will stick with Windows out of sheer inertia, even the (realistically) very few who actually care about this new feature.
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2024-07-06
The plugins to watch YouTube will either be installed with firefox, or you will be prompted to install them automatically when you load YouTube for the 1st time. Proton was a huge game changer for Linux gaming. Most(not all) Steam games work without tinkering now. You just install and launch them like in windows.
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2024-07-06
and yet people continue to use their products
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2024-07-06
I switched to Mac to avoid dealing with shit like this, and I’m glad I did.
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2024-07-06
>valve needed games to work on Linux. You’re describing a company filling a market gap in order to make money. The games are not free and open source, Valve is not contributing to open source in the same spirit as true open source. That’d be no different to Adobe saying “hey, I’ve noticed Linux doesn’t have a true comparable for our Photoshop, so let’s make it”
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2024-07-06
Oh Linux is looking better and better everyday.
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2024-07-06
CEIP is telemetry and has been in since Windows XP. This *specific* telemetry is new with 10, but it's not the only telemetry in Windows.
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2024-07-06
Yes, this is a tiny minority of people who ever even tried Linux on their private computers, and the few enterprise customers (which are what microsoft actually cares about) who try it will switch back immediately after they find that half their customers software and a bunch of their most important software suites are now broken.
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2024-07-06
But Open Source advocates go on about how great the open source community is and how if a product doesn’t do what you want it to you can easily fork and add it in your self. It’s so easy and great and just works and Linux can do anything Windows or Mac can do they say. Then whine about bad faith when you point out this great coding community with the ability to add anything they want, well, hasn’t. 😆
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2024-07-06
In the U.S., a contract cannot supersede the law. Not allowing a way for someone to disagree with changes in contract conditions can very much be a cause for a lawsuit if Adobe breaks the terms, as they did not provide the option.
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2024-07-06
Aka late-stage capitalism bears more rotten fruit
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2024-07-06
Well time to go to mac os
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2024-07-06
Windows died when they purposely fired all the senior devs back in the 2000s and replaced them with the 'people' that made windows past 8 or something. Microsoft should be abandoned by all and they deserve to fail. Which hopefully they do asap.
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2024-07-06
I don’t trust M$ with this data because I work in healthcare and if they back track in the future they’d be illegally accessing soooooo many patient medical records. Every major electronic medical record system at your doctor’s office and hospitals runs on Windows. M$ would be looking at a shitstorm that would make the hacking of Optum seem like a paper cut.
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2024-07-06
Anyone wanna file a class action lawsuit
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2024-07-06
Yes, if you trust Microsoft, which I don't. Not until they disclose their source code for auditing, which they won't. We don't have barely any regulations to stop them from being assholes, so they're assholes. Software needs to be regulated like everything else, like cars...you'll NEVER be able to release a car without disclosing it's full specifications to the relevant agencies, extensive auditing, extensive testing with high standards etc Microsoft never gave me reasons to trust them, they've been increasingly anti-consumer and anti-worker ever since Windows was conceived.
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2024-07-06
im biting the bullet, going with Linux.
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2024-07-06
People really sell users short. Users are not unwilling to switch to Linux, the problem of Linux has always been not having pre-builds loaded with Linux. See Google and their Chromebooks. Users got used to Linux as long as it's the only option offered to them.
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2024-07-06
Oh, they (the government) are too busy (trying to impeach cabinet members - having hearings over the Trump/pornstar case that has already been decided).
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2024-07-06
You could have saved yourself (and us) some time by just stating one word - greed.
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2024-07-06
I installed Linux about a month ago alongside windows on my pc, expecting to switch back and forth a lot. To my surprise, in the past month I’ve had the need to boot into windows once to transfer some files off.
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2024-07-06
It's funny, mac was always getting shit on by windows users in it's earlier days and now look. No ads in my operating system and never got a virus or malware
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2024-07-06
They already tried the always-on mic. Cortana was as helpful as a bandaid made of razor wire.
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2024-07-06
Except one is on everything and the other only pictures backed on iCloud
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2024-07-06
Ah ok, that's really interesting. I'm very new to it all, when researching I kept seeing headlines like "Ubuntu Cinnamon has killed Linux Mint" and I saw various comments of people saying there wasn't any point using Mint now Cinnamon exists. So you think Mint is a better choice?
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2024-07-06
Not everything is racism. There are great Indians all around, but if you've ever worked in tech and offshore, you'd know.
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2024-07-06
Aww thanks! That's incredibly kind of you, I may just take you up on that offer! Thank you so much.
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2024-07-06
Interesting, so yeah it seems like most online PvP games are fine, but a handful with extra intrusive anti cheat are not. Thanks!
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2024-07-06
But Thurott is still going strong there...
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2024-07-06
Still 0 effort to discuss the matter at hand, eh? Oh well. I rest my case with you, little troll. Fare thee well.
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2024-07-06
Disingenuous article. > Had it been tested openly, these security concerns would have definitely been pointed out well ahead of general availability, and likely fixed before mass hysteria could ensue. The whole damn thing is the 'security concern'.
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2024-07-06
>We don't think about the electrical or plumbing in our homes as needing to be "innovative."  Hate to break it you, but the tech idiots have been doing the same shit in the building/construction fields as well. What do you think all the Smart Home stuff is? The only saving grace we have is that things like computer controlled lighting systems in commercial buildings got big about 10 years ago as a power saving measure before the LED revolution in lighting systems. They turned out to be such a bad idea that most new buildings are going back to things like good old mechanical switches and direct power controls rather than mucking around with digital controls and computer systems that are immediately obsolete and unsupported before they even see a job site or get installed.  In the meantime, there's a whole generation of buildings that are going to need to be retrofit with reliable 50 year old technology like basic wall switches to keep them in operation.
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2024-07-06
Lol right? It seems like this argument of Linux being only accessible to the computer savvy will never die, because it’s perpetuated by people who have never used linux
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2024-08-06
Ok? That changes literally nothing about what i am saying.
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2024-08-06
Any real business can’t just bail because they feel like it. In multiple industries, the software devs account for you having the full stack of Microsoft products already on your machine. The third party devs are reusing .dlls already on the system because the assumption is that you already have at least windows and office. So while some people like to pretend they can teach millions of users Linux across an entire industry, like healthcare, the biggest hurdle ISN’T Microsoft at all; it’s the fact that every single bit of software that actually makes the industry work is dependent. And worse, in healthcare in particular the dev speed is so slow that not only is windows a requirement, it’s old Windows at that. A company who can’t even keep up with windows / server releases is never going to move anyone or anything to Linux. And that doesn’t even get us to the absolutely massive support agreements that the industry relies on, which can’t be fulfilled without a deep stack of experts, which don’t currently exist, for products which don’t currently exist and won’t be developed for years.
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2024-08-06
If you’re asking purely from a tech standpoint; because everything has compression, de-dupe, encryption and decryption running all the goddamned time; and that’s before you get into analytics, next-gen AV, SIEM, etc. Because every system is now spending 99 percent of all processor cycles trying to “streamline” and “protect” the 1 percent of cycles that actually matter to you.
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2024-08-06
Not many products are truly owned by the person that paid for it anymore . Roku makes unwanted changes to imy roku all the time, I have a Samsung TV that won't work unless I connect it to the Internet and create an account. Same for fire stick, some cars, etc.
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2024-08-06
Are you switching to another os?
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2024-09-06
I'm making that permanent switch to Ubuntu. Anyone got a better OS to recommend to developers?
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2024-09-06
Simple minds see the world in mutually exclusive extremes.
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2024-09-06
These guys can't even turn their bodycams off.
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2024-14-06
I read that there is proof of concept of this running on non arm based computers. It is just a matter of time till it is ported. I work as a Health IT Consultant (integrations). This is a nightmare from a Hipaa and Intellectual Property stand point. If there is an OS update and the vetting is missed, i bet money the feature will auto turn back on. Google is following suit and i bet apple will to eventually. Linux distros and BSD might be the only safe point. Lots of medical hardware runs Linux by default anyway. I knew a couple of years ago that it was a mistake for DARPA to provide a defense contract to microsoft. What a joke! I mean all their 0365 products are copies from competitors. If they cannot buy you out they copy you. 
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2024-06-06
They already have it for web search which is far more creepy in my opinion. They've had it for years too, search: "Google My Activity." You can review all of that the stuff that Google spied on you doing. It's really neat considering the whole sending all of your data to the NSA thing.
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2024-07-06
Already have it installed. When Windows 10 finally forces me to update to 11, then I'll just change my boot order.
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2024-07-06
Then everybody figured out that you don't need the dildos at all? It's just like what these companies are doing you're totally correct!
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2024-07-06
Of all the concerns, that is not one. It is entirely local. The concerns are valid, but they are related to more hacking problems. There is no point at which the data leaves your computer;
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2024-07-06
Hang on to your dicks computers are about to become nearly unusable so that tech giants can have a dance-off.
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2024-07-06
I don't have a stastitic, but I doubt the majority of people know that exists. I've watched a rep at a phone store just hit accept to everything right before handing the phone to a customer. So, there's also a good chunk of people who are opted in to the data collection that have absolutely that they are. I'm sure if a rep at a store sets up your Chromebook they do the same thing. They also probably have no idea what any of that stuff says and is just trying to be helpful by setting the device up for the customer.
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2024-07-06
That's true. However, I don't really blame Google - the history page that shows all of your history (which, mind you, has proved very useful for me to find old searches) - has 3 big toggles right at the top, in a very uncluttered interface. =
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2024-07-06
Of course they are. It's the ultimate tracking technique, as soon as it's ready, they'll be throwing it into every suitable Android phone.
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2024-07-06
I mean let’s be honest most people are just going to put up with it like always. Corporations have shown recently they can do what ever anticustomer shit they want and still win.
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