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2024-03-06
Give us a new colosseum where politicians have to battle each other to pass their legislature.
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Sex and scams - many times both - are really the wild frontier of new technologies.
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Cheese, it's cheese all the way down.
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2024-03-06
Cool. What are they really doing?
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No such thing? Good, let's disband the UNRWA then.
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2024-03-06
You can’t bomb your way out of an ideology. Hamas has been extensively damaged. You can work with the existing Palestinian population, offer economic incentives, and show that there is a better option than aiding the rebuilding of Hamas. I believe Israel should continue to receive the support of the West. It is also the largest democracy. But it is not infallible and should be open to criticism (for eg, camera equipment being seized from the AP).
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2024-03-06
It very much is how a parliamentary system works.
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2024-03-06
Please. It is not how all parliamentary systems form government. Many win majorities.
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2024-03-06
Destroy all their capability of fight and destroy the infrastructure used to build back that fighting capability. They can have the idea, atleast there will be no rocket coming from said idea.
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2024-03-06
The evacuation of Gaza was well into the 2nd intifada, man. Shit was winding down. A Sharon who didn't realise his fuckup at the temple mount wouldn't have made such a decision.
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2024-03-06
And how can Biden promise it from his comfortable coach in the other side of the world?
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2024-03-06
They will remember, but they would not have rocket.
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2024-03-06
That’s how many past conflicts have ended. Only Palestinians must wage eternal war for the sake of religion.
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2024-03-06
No, they threatened to dissolve the ruling coalition. "Topple the government" makes it sound like they're threatening a coup, instead of the perfectly legal and honestly quite necessary decomposition of the current government.
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2024-03-06
Hamas is still in power and has no intention of not staying in power. Their only intentions are to prepare for the next attack on us Israelis that will be far worse than October 7th. Hamas is still firing rockets at us and hezbollah in the north do as well. Israel is the only one who respects a ceasefire, and the reality is that many citizens are scared to be the next to be butchered. Once a replacement to Hamas that is stronger than Hamas will be taking control over Gaza and Hamas won't be able to steal food and fire rockets at Israelis, it will be a sign that Hamas lost enough power. As of now? This is not the case. And what about the northern border? Israeli citizens haven't been able to go back home since October, and yesterday, the north was on fire due to the constant rockets.
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2024-03-06
Lol, lmao even
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2024-03-06
10 year olds in Gaza deserve to die because they voted for Hamas, yet if you point out that israelis voted for an extremist government you get downvoted to hell. All this while in Gaza palestinians voted with a gun to their head. This is the logic of the idiots being okay with Israel sniping 10 year olds from rooftops for throwing rocks.
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2024-03-06
Maybe your government should prevent the attacks from happening in the first place. Israel knew a year ahead of the attack that Hamas was planning it. There was a 40 page report called “Jericho Wall”. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israel-had-hamass-october-7-battle-plan-for-a-year-but-dismissed-it-report/ They let it happen. Or they’re completely incompetent. Or both.
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2024-03-06
They are worse than terrorists. Absolutely despicable scums.
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2024-03-06
Is Israel to the USA what North Korea is to China?
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2024-03-06
and what says that replacement for hamas wont be as bad or even worse than hamas? What says that the palestinians wont be bitter, angry and ready to continue after what has happened? There is this strange expectation here, just as is here in west with hopin putins death, that if this one bad thing goes away then all will be well while nothing says that the thing that replaces the thing that went away would be any better.
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2024-03-06
* Phase one: 6weeks ceasefire, Israel retreats from the city centers of Gaza, Hamas releases some old, female and wounded/sick hostages, population of Gaza may return to thier homes * Phase two: Israel retreats fully out of Gaza, Hamas releases all hostages * Phase three: rebuilding in Gaza This will only work if both sides are willing to compromise. Personally i think the most important aspect is not to involve Hamas in the rebuilding efforts. Because they would just steal all the international help, let the population suffer and spin the whole thing onto Israel again. This would mean, that Israel and foreign allies would have to make the effort to rebuild Gaza, rather than letting it fend for its own.
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2024-03-06
Tbh, as an Israeli, I kinda have nothing to lose in this situation. On one hand, that proposal is pretty atrocious for Israel, but that means Netanyahu and his pet clowns are out of office. On the other hand, if the deal falls through, it means hamas keep getting stomped, and maybe it leads to a decisive victory.
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2024-03-06
I agree actually - that regime is a real problem. I don’t think it can just be ended - but hopefully their influence can be curtailed over time.
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2024-03-06
>You can’t bomb your way out of an ideology. Hamas has been extensively damaged. Of course you can. >You can work with the existing Palestinian population, offer economic incentives, and show that there is a better option than aiding the rebuilding of Hamas. Maybe Palestinians and the Arab world should show that there's a better option than repeatedly bombing Israel. Israel is but a tiny tiny minority in the Middle East.
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2024-03-06
Do you not see that you weaken your own point about civilian complicity when you point out that their last election was in 2006? It’s not the gotcha you think it is.
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2024-03-06
> On the other hand, if the deal falls through, it means hamas keep getting stomped, and maybe it leads to a decisive victory. What does this decisive victory you envision looks like? I am asking this in completely good faith. Because the way I see it every orphan you create will be a prime recruit to be a terrorist for Hamas. And as Hamas leaders are not in Gaza, there will be recruiting for sure, so this whole invasion seems to be pointless at best and painful for Israel in the long-term at worst. So what's the solution that I am not seeing?
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2024-03-06
Yes but the illegal Israeli settlements never stopped being built, which is the root cause of the conflict.
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2024-03-06
Bibi's sure, he's unpopular. Extreme right, nationalist and ultra religious parties together are still a total majority of the seats. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-06-02/ty-article/elections-poll-gantz-favored-as-pm-opposition-bloc-win-69-seats-over-netanyahus-51/0000018f-da36-d673-ab8f-fffe578a0000 Nvm, I can't math
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2024-03-06
Hamas has to go; let them wipe it clean.
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2024-03-06
Do you live in Israel? Did you forgive Oct 7? Are you guys not backing up Netanyahu? From the outside, I feel easy rooting for him, Hamas is just pure terror and ignorance, why don't you support him?
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2024-03-06
also rebuilding germany after WW2, we germans sure as hell wouldnt be where we are now without the marshall plan, integration into the west with simultanious control we do not slip back towards fascism
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2024-03-06
Netanyahu does not want a 2 state solution. He came to power sabotaging the Oslo talks Yitzhak Rabin was having with Bill Clinton and Arafat, by staging violent protests which Rabin's wife claims were responsible for her husband's assassination. It's well known that Netanyahu sabotaged any peace talks since he came to power. Likud is not in favor of a Palestinian state.
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2024-03-06
Hamas as an idea doesn’t need to be destroyed and that’s not the goal. Hamas as a de facto ruling governmental and military power can absolutely be destroyed. In any scenario the IDF will have to remain in Gaza for several years to prevent Hamas from reemerging while a new political alternative is constructed.
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2024-03-06
Bibi would look like an absolute clown if he doesn't take this deal, considering it first came from his government!
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2024-03-06
Ah yes Gaza, the double digits poverty level and high levels of food insecurity is clearly a sign of Israel’s great containment strategy. The economic growth, the increase in quality of life!! Cmon be real - you can’t displace a population, have increasing numbers of illegal colonial type settlements (West Bank), and expect the people not to hate you. Israel has had great prime ministers and leaders - but the current iteration is horrible. There is a serious level of dehumanization in the name of security.
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2024-03-06
Why would Gazans accept a government propped up by their most hated enemy?
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2024-03-06
Why does it feel like some one is going to have a problem with something. No such thing as a perfect solution.
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2024-03-06
Thanks for the reply, and hope you are doing ok all things considered; if I may ask more, who are the alternatives to Netanyahu? What are the options?
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2024-03-06
I don’t mean to take the current situation out of the context of history, but at the same time we can’t blame young Palestinians (or young Israelis for that matter) for those events they obviously had/have no control over.
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2024-03-06
I agree with you completely. Gaza needs a reboot under responsible administration. Jordan would probably be my first choice for it from a cultural perspective but they don't want to do it. Israel can't do it because even if Netanyahu leaves the scene, there's just too much bad blood for any Gazan to credibly cooperate with the enemy. I'd personally be OK with the PA having a try, as reaching the level of Nablus or Hebron would still be an improvement over Hamas, but that didn't go too well the last time they were in Gaza. The Saudis are an interesting thought though Palestinians don't particularly like them. Indonesians... maybe? They don't speak Arabic but they're moderate Muslims and haven't burned Israel yet.
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2024-03-06
By leaving the coalition which I assume is small enough so that Bibi no longer has the majority.
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2024-03-06
Why are you so eager to regurgitate such irrational propaganda? Military organizations can be destroyed via military action. This isn’t a puzzle. It’s a simple fact that’s repeatedly proven throughout history. Israel doesn’t have to erase the word “Hamas.” They want the organization to no longer have the capacity to wage war and control Gaza.
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2024-03-06
you forget the option pretty much everyone, including the US, will soon be choosing: "neither" getting involved in this endless powder keg with religious fanatics on both sides fighting over the holy land benefits noone else look at the political damage Biden has taken, the civil unrest literally all over the world for a relatively insignificant conflict involving a relatively small number of people russia-ukraine involves almost 200 million people and half of the continent of eurasia. israel-palestine is 10 million people and a postage stamp sized piece of land that is mostly a barren wasteland devoid of oil, arable land or really anything of value...other than to aforementioned religious fanatics who are now in year 3000-4000 of fighting over said holy land
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2024-04-06
> Crossing the border into a sovereign country, Not sure that's a big deal people do it a lot. > butchering over a thousand civilians 767 civilians killed, but your point is not diminished by whatever the number are. 10,000 + civilians blown up would be a loss for hamas, and if not, 10,000+ fighters blown up surely is. Thanks for the no offence claim. One assumes that Israel claims many previous ceasefires as a win. Fighting is a lose/lose. Stopping fighting is a win/win. A ceasefire is not peace, but it's much more peaceful than a war.
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2024-04-06
What do you think will happen when the West stops ending military aid to Israel?
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2024-04-06
I count soldiers on a day off in their homes as civilians. So it's over a thousand. Like I said, civilians blown up is a win for Hamas. They have said this openly. Fighters blown up is kind of a loss, but still not really? It doesn't hurt their morale at all, they celebrate being shaheeds, and their motivation is only influenced by land or international support, not lives. I get that it might be difficult to understand from a western perspective, but the lives and even the military infrastructure are just not seen as losses in an eternal religious war with an undefined time horizon where every dead goes to heaven and is literally celebrated. No problem, I genuinely didn't mean it as an insult. I just don't know a better description. Israel does not claim previous ceasefires as a win. We never claimed any of the Gaza operations as wins. At least that's not what anyone perceived them as. It was only the big wars that were claimed as wins. It's not really a win if the enemy is still motivated and expected to go back into action in a couple years, and that's what happens every time. Fighting is only a certain amount of lose/lose. You start a war because you have objectives, and the objectives are usually essential to preventing much heavier losses down the line. Stopping fighting is therefore not at all win/win, it's a win for the genocidal people who will use this time to rearm and launch another attack a couple years from now, who will use this victory ('we did all this to the jews and they couldn't defeat us in response, our strategy is working, the world hates them') to motivate their brainwashed population into more bloodshed and violence. If we didn't stop in 2014, October 7th wouldn't have happened. That's a much bigger loss than anything in the war. If we stop now, we are leaving the door open for much bigger offensives from the Arab world who now feel like the floodgates have been opened. It's a surrender deal, and it's not only an issue against Hamas but against all of our enemies.
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>Siding with Palestine may be the morally right thing to do Why?
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2024-03-06
2000 with Clinton wondering what Arafat would say yes to
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2024-03-06
Israel intentionally sabotaged the deal by demanding highly insatiable demands though. No way, the humiliating deal was going to be accepted.
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2024-03-06
That's because Israel wants Palestinians to migrate to others and take whole of the Palestine to themselves.
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2024-03-06
Does anybody think the Arab countries will turn on Israel once Iran is no longer a threat?
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2024-03-06
I mean lets be real. If Palestine were to somehow become "independent" it will be one of the biggest failed states which will thus turn them into an Iranian vassal state. Like, Yemen, Iraq and Lebanon.
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2024-03-06
I mean the fact that Palestine will just be an iranian vassal state if it became independent is enough to get them to not want to get involved. Its like if they gave the Houthis Yemen
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2024-03-06
I mean... it s not like they could not have a "royal family" that could keep some kind of political sway alongside a democratic govt., and they have tens or hundreds of billions of dollars already.
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2024-03-06
Anyone who hasn't been disappointed with the Palestinians is someone who's never dealt with them. There's a reason no other Arab population wants them as fellow countrymen. The country that's friendliest to Palestinian Arabs is Israel - namely the 2 million Palestinian Arabs who are Israeli citizens and not dedicated to the destruction of the state.
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2024-03-06
I guess fear of their own people?
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2024-03-06
They could go down a constitutional monarchy route, and it would probably be a good idea and one can hope. Unfortunately, I just don't see a scenario in the near future where they elect to give up their near-absolute power for no reason.
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2024-03-06
If that’s your take on it ok.  It flies in the face of every account from Clinton and the Americans through the Israeli negotiators and govt and on past some truely neutral observers…. Clinton got peace in Northern Ireland, I’d trust his opinion and writing on this. Side note if the PA was serious then follow up negotiations with the 2nd infitada?
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2024-03-06
Yes, I’m sure about that. Britain was there from the 1920s and it was called Palestine before that too.
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2024-03-06
Why donr yoy link it for him
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2024-03-06
That's like saying America existed before China. But sure, if you want to play this game, the kingdom of Israel existed before anyone invented the word Palestine.
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2024-03-06
Well, that would be just made up. But I am not interested in debating that way.
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2024-03-06
There was never a Palestinian state. It was ottoman then British controlled territory. Though the region had been called various names in the past, including Palestine, it wasn’t really a national identity.
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2024-03-06
Maybe for a short while as recent "beef" still stands, but if the place could be left alone without proxy wars (Iran acting on behalf of others mostly) they would be just as peaceful as anywhere else. Arguably due to geography, they've been stuck under proxy wars for the majority of recorded history. It's actually a testament to people's sense of peace that there is only so much violence in the ME and not far more.
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2024-03-06
British Mandatory Palestine.
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2024-03-06
>Palestine existed before Israel By what metric do you think this is true
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2024-03-06
mandatory palestine wasnt exactly something that you would call the state of palestine, but thats besides the point. are you really sure that the region known as palestine existed before israel? that seems like a very odd claim to make.
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2024-03-06
There has never been an independent Palestine. The establishment of one would be the first example.
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2024-03-06
“Give us your land or we’ll kill you. Jk we were gonna do it anyway.”
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2024-03-06
I would think that they wouldn’t after it would be futile effort considering Israel’s nuclear weapons capability.
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2024-03-06
And yet Israel denies the right of return to Palestinians? If they are Israeli why can’t they return and be Israeli?
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2024-03-06
Ugh I with you here but I know all those Paliwood Fanboys will screech in anger. :)) 
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2024-03-06
2008 offer was so generous that i couldn't believe it and had to look for other sources bwfore finally believing it. Palestinians still rejecting that is crazy and shows them for what they are; warmongers.
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2024-03-06
He didn't say palestinians doesn't exist now, he said that palestinian identity didn't exist before the Israeli did. This is not the same as Russia uses to justify it's invasion, it's exactly the other way around
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2024-03-06
I wouldn't go that far... There's plenty of examples of where nations need to be established to sort out tensions... And sometimes with population swaps. India is one example - Pakistan was literally founded because of religious tension between Hindus and Muslims. The Palestinians in Gaza by and large are just hotheaded idiots brainwashed by islamic extremists. After watching the crowds including kids screaming Allah Ackbar while running after a pickup truck with the body of a dead raped woman on board I lost any sympathy for them. They've had so much aid and money given that it should be the Singapore of the Levant. Instead they just want to kill a few Jews to try and start a regional holy war.... For what? Their 77 virgins?
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2024-03-06
They have started multiple civil wars in multiple neighbouring Muslim countries: many Palestinian groups are also intimately tied to Islamist and separatist terror groups like Hezbollah and the Muslim Brotherhood in multiple countries. From speaking to people in the region, you really do get the impression that they really don't *support* Palestine, or the Palestinians; as much as they don't like them being mistreated or anything and tend to oppose things like Israeli settlers and so on, there's a palpable sense that it's also kinda the Palestinians' fault for being dicks, basically...
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>Israel denies the right of return to Palestinians >why can’t they return and be Israeli because most likely those Palestinians that are opposed in the creation of Israel in the first place, fleed/evacuated as the surrounding Arab nations would gangup against the newly created nation. ofcourse there Palestinians that decided to stay, thus been given citizenship and became part of Israel. There are currently around 2.1 million Palestinian that are Israeli citizen. (thus a fun fact that there are more Palestinians in Israel than Jews in Europe) and ofcourse Israel don't want these Palestinians in the first place, too many Arab inside the democratric country may get the Jews outvoted. Israel wants Two State solution and have been offering it from time to time to the Palestinians, whom refused it again and again.
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2024-03-06
Logical, considering Hamas is under heavy Iranian influence.
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2024-03-06
It's complicated. The Saudi government recognizes the strategic importance of an alliance with Israel to counteract Iran, but they also understand that their populace is very anti-Israel. Since it is a monarchy, the Saudi royal family is at risk of getting deposed if the local populace gets too upset with them. They will speak out against Israel and not officially recognize them as a country to quell the general public, but also work with Israel to counteract Iran whenever possible.
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2024-03-06
Was there really ever an alternative to a two state solution?
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2024-03-06
No never if you are a logical person but the Palestinian leadership has shown great obtuseness in this regard...
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2024-03-06
Arab uprisings are pretty costly tho too. I imagine it’s a combination of factors including coercion by republicans
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Nope. You only use a comma with a coordinating conjunction if it’s joining 2 independent clauses. The comment has a compound verb but NOT 2 separate clauses, so it doesn’t need a comma after “points.”
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2024-03-06
> adds up to like four times the size of Israel Do you have a source?
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2024-03-06
He’s the perfect example of failing upward, while his followers got nothing to show for it
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2024-03-06
Its because he didn't want to be a Martyr that he refused to accept the deals offered. He thought he would get shot like Sadat or Rabin.
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2024-03-06
? My grammar’s on .
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2024-04-06
The new King in the making loves videogames .. that means he’s cool with American culture which means Israel 4 ever 
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2024-04-06
Yes, the far right is a complete joke too. The thing is Reddit has a lot more people on the far left than far right
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I could not imagine thinking that AP isn't credible. The fact that people agree with you is actually sickening.
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Doesn’t sound like a huge amount, but still a potential game changer. Would alleviate dependency on imports and have a ripple effect to Japan as well. This could actually accelerate our eventual move off of fossil fuels globally. Less seaborne energy trade would discourage further investments elsewhere.
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