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Pakistan! Zindabad! I love Pakistan! 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰
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2024-03-06
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Pakistan is in da bag!
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2024-03-06
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Unionists and Republicans.
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2024-03-06
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And if this comment section is anything to go by most people never will.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide
There we go.
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2024-03-06
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2024-03-06
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Don't you love it when the media nowadays is just a game of telephone?
Here we have Reuters citing Financial Times citing "3 anonymous sources familiar with the matter."
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2024-03-06
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Enemy of my enemy is my...enemy? Karma for Putin, pity for the average russian citizen
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2024-03-06
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No honor among thieves.
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2024-03-06
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> That's where the road you started on in 2014 ends,
The road should have started in 2014, because Europe and especially Germany should have realized Russia was our enemy after they annexed Crimea in 2014. But Germany signed Nord Stream 2 *after* Crimea, and continued to buy Russia gas freely, over the criticism of most of Eastern Europe and the US.
It was only in 2022 that the road to becoming a Chinese vassal was really taken.
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2024-03-06
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Can't be true, their loyalty and cooperation is beyond what we in the west can comprehend, also the BRICS currency is coming this summer to slaughter the dollar
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2024-03-06
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Classic Ruzzia double thinking
We're so strong that ALL of NATO+Ukraine is nothing, and sanction totally not working!!! But plz buy our gas and oil plzzzzz, I ready to offer all of my dignity with it!
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2024-03-06
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Ukraine war is just going to help China over comes it's weakness of energy and food imports by using Russia. That's not good really if u don't want them to invade taiwan etc
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2024-03-06
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Pray I don't alter it any further
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2024-03-06
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The only olive branch Russia has put forward is "Stop sending aid to Ukraine, or we will use nukes! WE mean it! THIS TIME WE MEAN IT! STOP IT!"
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2024-03-06
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I'm happy to debate any of it with anyone who can restrain themselves from degrading the conversation with insults, which that person obviously couldn't - and nor can you. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
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2024-04-06
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Maybe it's a good thing if China invade Taiwan. In the attack, Taiwan self destruct their fabs and it takes years to get them going again in the US and elsewhere. This will slow down AI systems for some years without nvidia and others providing chips.
We need proper laws for AI and society otherwise it's going to end in disaster. Either it takes over all the military networks drones etc and destroys us, or it takes out a _lot_ of jobs.
a) Are there any regulators inspecting what these AI companies are really up to, how these AI systems really work and what these AI systems have access to (or are secretly gaining access to)? Are there any safety systems and mechanisms imposed on the AI? Can we self destruct (or bomb) the AI's main data centers, or will it be too late by then if it's spread a worm/miner into every computer worldwide and survives that way by hijacking x% of the computing power per machine?
b) Are any countries prepared or capable to pay a living allowance when e.g. 50% or more of their citizens become unemployed, especially when tech companies around the world barely pay taxes including the AI ones who in particular would be messing society up and gaining much of the profit?
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> There's nothing in my comment about whether what NATO did was good or bad.
Today's most disingenuous statement ladies and gentlemen, and coming from Mr Pedantic himself.
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2024-03-06
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Where did I say what NATO did was good or bad? It's always been about refuting your comment "NATO is a defensive alliance. If you don't attack NATO, they don't attack you." to "NATO had to do it to put a stop to it." So stop trying to move the goalpost to another argument.
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2024-03-06
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Axis of evil unites against NATO, Asia be wise to act against them (China Iran Russia (plus felon oligarghs Putler etc) Hamas Trump (plus felon oligarghs) and Jihad.
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2024-03-06
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Asian NATO sounds like a great idea. Thanks China.
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2024-03-06
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[Feel like shit. Just want him back](https://imgur.com/gallery/i-just-want-him-back-x1UFqi2)
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2024-03-06
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In cases where U.S. argument is “flimsy” as the parent commenter stated, alliance members are not required to provide assistance for an attack. For example, after 911, many NATO countries sent forces to aid U.S. in Afghanistan. This was just a sign of goodwill, as there was no obligation to send troops to the Middle East.
China is more concerned about United States influence in the region than it is about U.S. allies suddenly attacking the mainland. China views its interests as opposed to the U.S., and it will pursue those interests (including invading other countries) if and when the opportunity arises.
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2024-03-06
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Yes, NATO countries were not required to provide assistance
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2024-03-06
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It's about time Asian NATO happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expansionism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China
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2024-03-06
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"How dare you make defensive networks among asian countries making it harder for me to invade them."
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2024-03-06
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Nah, dude. YOU created Asian NATO.
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2024-03-06
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And yet in more than one occasion , it was an offensive Alliance.
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2024-03-06
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> And yet in more than one occasion , it was an offensive Alliance.
Yes, it put an end to an ethnic cleansing in the Bosnian War, without invading or occupying any country, and with UN sanctions. It also responded to an attack on one of it's members. The only time Article 5 has been invoked in its history, when it responded to the September 11, 2001 attacks on the US. What's your point?
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2024-03-06
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I mean, you're the ones making countries like Japan and South Korea draw closer together. Not to mention all the new deals Japan's been making with the Philippines, Australia and the like. Hell, even New Zealand's finally starting to wake up. And it's all thanks to the completely unnecessary aggression of China itself.
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Maybe you should consider the agency of the people in those nations under threat by China. It speaks volumes that literally every single Asian nation except North Korea chooses to side with the West over China whenever the opportunity presents itself.
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2024-03-06
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Does china want to join too?
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2024-03-06
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I hope it lasts longer than [SEATO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia_Treaty_Organization) did, and includes more countries.
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2024-03-06
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No, The Netherlands, Poland, and Denmark participated as well.
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2024-03-06
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I agree but the defence needs of the Pacific are a genuinely regional thing in themselves. It would be better that there were a NATO, a Pacific alliance, a middle/south Asian alliance, and a few regional African organisations.
Then those democratic alliances could perhaps make agreements for assistance with each other. That way each region develops their own alliances and militaries that can hold their own. But with the benefit of knowing you're not on your own.
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When nations act aggressive towards there neighbours, they look to the US for assistance. It's not that hard, if you don't want the US on your back, stop invading/ threatening to invade your neighbours.
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2024-03-06
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No territorial dispute with Russia? What happened to Manchuria?
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2024-03-06
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You left out Libya in 2011 oddly enough.
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> In cases where U.S. argument is “flimsy”, alliance members are not required to provide assistance for an attack.
Ah. TIL. I honestly wasn't aware of this. Tbh, I'm not well-versed in NATO policies because it has almost nothing to do with my country. But it's good to hear they have safeguards like this. How do they decide what reason is "flimsy", though? Legit Q.
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2024-03-06
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The UN did not approve Nato's military intervention in Yugoslavia. Glad you agree it's an offensive alliance and not a defensive one.
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2024-03-06
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East Pacific Treaty Organization.
Not as sexy as POTATO tho.
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2024-03-06
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Appropriate after China creating Asian USSR.
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2024-03-06
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That solves it guys. We can’t call it a defensive alliance anymore because piyumabela said so. Gotta start working on changes to www.nato.int, the page is wrong now.
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2024-03-06
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We actually had a SEATO but it didn't last long.
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2024-03-06
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They have enemy of my enemy friends.
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2024-03-06
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If you say you're a vegan but eat meat, then you're not a vegan and you're just trying to trick people by saying you're vegan.
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2024-03-06
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If "resolving" the dispute means snatching huge amounts of land by blackmailing a tiny county with almost no real army that they would snatch even more land if not given the "extortion land" then Russia is "resolving" dispute with Ukraine as well it just happens to be there is no Asian version of EU, NATO so retaliation is not just a option for Bhutan.
https://www.chathamhouse.org/publications/the-world-today/2023-12/china-takes-more-land-bhutan-expected-border-deal
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2024-03-06
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Did they Ejecto SEATO, cuz?
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2024-03-06
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SPaTO? South Pacific Threaty Organization
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2024-03-06
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China seized Singaporean tanks that were in transit from a military exercise to pressure Singapore to drop its principles on free navigation in the South China Seas.
That alone has given many Singaporeans a very bitter taste of the CCP's jackboot.
Probably why they've changed tack and tried to convert many Singaporeans though overt propaganda.
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Just FYI, the UN was meant to go into Kosovo after reports of widespread atrocities, ethnic cleansing and allegations of genocide. Guess which countries on the UN Security Council vetoed it?
Yep, that's right. Russia and China.
So the UN found their hands tied and NATO then took the lead to protect civilians, which is exactly the kind of thing NATO should be used for here.
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>NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia wasn't sanctioned by the UN
Go on. Tell people why. Which members of the UN held it up?
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2024-03-06
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I mean russia also cried about ukraine and its other neighbours trying to get into defensive alliance. Just before invading it.
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2024-03-06
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Ah, a fellow man of culture.
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2024-03-06
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Russia: Some one mention sexy potato?
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2024-03-06
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> Take a look at the resolved disputes section and how they resolved disputes with 10 countries.
I'm not even gonna open that link, in how many of those 10 disputes did China "resolve" by gaining the disputed land? In how many did China end up giving up the land it's disputing?
I think the word you're looking for is "surrender". Not every surrender is unconditional, like Nazi Germany. Normal surrenders mean you're giving up something in exchange for some monetary compensation or temporary privileges, which is with little doubt how China wants to ""resolve"" things.
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2024-03-06
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Should just bring back SEATO without the Brits, French, and Pakistanis. Add SK, Japan, maybe Indonesia and Malaysia.
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2024-03-06
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Sounds good.
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China keeps bitching about that one time, NATO went into yugoslavia without a mandate from the UN Security Council (you know, to like prevent an actual genocide because in the years before that, we sent UN peace keepers and they all failed and we know what happened) and allegedly* bombed the Chinese embassy by accident.
(*The guardian did an article on it back then. According to whistleblowers, the embassy was relaying communications for the yugoslavian army. Thus, it became a legitimate target. https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/oct/17/balkans)
But in their eyes ever since, NATO is the aggressor.
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2024-03-06
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Libyan intervention was authorized by the UN.
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2024-03-06
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Exactly, I wonder why China doesn't take what Russia had stolen from them, instead they complain about NATO which is strictly defensive alliance.
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2024-03-06
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How about the *United Federation of* *~~Planets~~* *Countries*
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2024-03-06
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The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.
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2024-03-06
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China needs to stfu, fucking asshole leadership over there
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2024-03-06
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But that shows it does work. Neither Greece or nor Turkey have invaded the other despite disputes between them.
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2024-03-06
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Well China if you didn't act like bitch boy Russia then maybe it wouldn't of happen, you fucked around and now you are about to find out
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2024-03-06
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Is there any water when it's been heavily implied or clearly stated multiple times?
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2024-03-06
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Yup,... and apparently it's working because you guys are piiiiiiissed!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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2024-03-06
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There hasn’t been any combat between Greece and Turkey because they are both in nato, the definition of safer
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2024-03-06
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Nice Asian Treaty Organisation. It's very friendly.
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2024-03-06
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POTATO
Pacific Ocean Treaty and Trade Organization
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2024-03-06
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Switzerland and Austria being surrounded by NATO and just chilling.
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2024-03-06
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Is he wrong? Sounds like a good idea, anyway.
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2024-03-06
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That's a good thing isn't it?
Unless you want to invade your neighbour.
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2024-03-06
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US does have the mutual defense treaty with the Philippines, which is pretty ironclad. Pretty much any country attacking the Philippines would be a declaration of war against the US.
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>Outer Manchuria was a sparsely settled outback
So was Hong Kong, just a bunch of worthless fishing villages.
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2024-03-06
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It's almost like someone is trying to become Asian version of russia
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2024-03-06
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NATO didn’t do *enough* in Yugoslavia. It was one of the biggest failures of any European alliance.
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Yugoslavia genocide was a failure of UN and NATO and every single country that stood around and watched. They saw it unfold, knew it was going to happen, and did nothing until it was too late. Not even a NATO thing, just a basic human rights thing.
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2024-03-06
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Making allies instead of enemies is bad?
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2024-03-06
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If you’ve played risk you alway know the us wins
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2024-03-06
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Technically, half of Korea does side with China.
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2024-03-06
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Don't worry, we're trying to give them a second chance
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2024-03-06
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“I will go to the one place that hasn’t been corrupted by Capitalism!… *struggles to hold on laugh* ***SPACE!***
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2024-03-06
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Oh wow..
Nato is shit and most states underspend because of being in it. Plus, 90% of NATO's firepower is the US. Most countries don't have logistics or command and control capabilities because they believe the Americans will do everything for them.. they can't even traffic control their own airspace in conflict.
No one cares if Belgium, iceland, and luxenberg are going to join forces to fight you. The only credible part of NATO is the US.
The problem with that is that you are now dependent on US leadership and commitment.
If nato is so scary, why did Russia invade ukraine twice? It nato is a deterrent, why is there fighting in a country that wants to join, and borders nato states.
And that's a tired, burnt out failing Russia.
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2024-03-06
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Who would be in Asian NATO? US, Australia, Japan, south Korea, Philippines, Taiwan. Who else?
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2024-03-06
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Half the land area maybe. South Korea has twice the population so technically only 1/3 side with China.
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2024-03-06
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In the "resolved border disputes" section it mentions China stating a Russian island is now listed as China's as of a 2023 map. Looks like their "unlimited" friendship is about to be tested.
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2024-03-06
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Well...technically close to a third....if we're being technical.
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2024-03-06
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Yeah, the US is totally responsible.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with China's 9-dash line bullshit and harassment of commercial vessels in international waters and within *their* respective economic zones.
It can't be because of that type of behaviour.
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2024-03-06
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I mean... yeah?
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2024-03-06
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Kane lives!
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Actually, China created "Asian NATO" by harassing their neighbors for years. USA had been voted out of the Philippines entirely, no longer a territory, no longer allowing US bases. After years of territorial water disputes and having their citizens and coast guards bullied, they've signed off on 5 original bases with 4 more added a few years later. Japan and South Korea had to build up their navies and allowed more US bases on their lands as well. Thailand entered into military treaties for the same reason and Guam was always Guam.
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2024-03-06
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Korea will always side with Japan when US wants it to happen, both have high numbers of US troops on the ground
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2024-03-06
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no they arent, thats what they want the populace to think to justify and rationalize supporting hostilities
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2024-03-06
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The Irish suffered enough already Godamn.
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2024-03-06
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>It's almost as if there is a country threatening and coercing every neighboring country
Two countries.
One's not named Taiwan. One's not named Ukraine.
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Most of their tech is behind but China currently has a massive advantage in hypersonic testing and materials. I think the best US has goes to max Mach 12 with max one arm to test one object in flight while China has a max Mach 30, another going to Mach 24 and a hypersonic chamber using two arms to test the flight of a missile dropped from hypersonic speeds. They’ve also got some hypersonic material tech that apparently “defies the laws of physics” by not overheating or degrading at those speeds.
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