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Yeah. For some comparison, the rise of trees in the Carboniferous period may have inadvertently caused or contributed greatly to its extinction event... The carboniferous rainforest collapse took at least 4 million years.
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2024-07-06
During the Great Oxidation event 99% of life on Earth died. Sure, that was natural, but like. Is that what we want to happen on our watch when we can stop it?
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2024-07-06
I’m actually halfway through Homo Deus on Audible right now! I gotta take that one slow because it’s so dense, but super thought provoking. Thank you for not calling me an idiot like some other guy did. It’s good to know that likeminded people are out there.
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2024-07-06
I'm sorry but this is deluding yourself. There's no tangible impact left. Blame governments, corporations, racism, whatever. It's over. Past tipping point. There's rumination, there's ostrich-like ignorance. There's hedonism, last days or Rome kind of escape. But it's over.
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2024-07-06
First link takes me to a page where I’m Not sure it’s an article. It says it’s worse in ‘some’ northern areas. We all can agree on that. Second one shows a graph that shows a reduction as explained. The reduction matches my 5 year old data as it’s mostly the same data I believe.
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2024-07-06
I feel like corporations only caring about short term profits for their shareholders coupled with their lobbying power is going to ultimately be what destroys this planet. Very sad, but hopefully it happens after I'm long gone.
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2024-07-06
Redditors in general, and lazy people like them, don't like to change their behavior. That's why these comments are always downvoted in these discussions. Because even though corporations are responsible for the vast majority of the pollution, lazy fucks refuse to accept any responsibility. Every single time the climate discussion comes up one of the top-voted comments is something along the lines of "and they want me to switch to paper straws while the corporations pour tons of pollutants into the rivers". Like... yeah, because every little bit helps, and decreasing the demand for plastics by switching to alternatives will lead to a net benefit in the long run. But lazy people don't think that way and they don't like to change their behavior. They'd rather make excuses for why they shouldn't have to make changes in their lives. It's just a shit argument. Both can be done, and both WILL help. Instead, these fat fucks will defend their daily consumption of McDonalds, their usage of helium balloons, their reluctance to recycle, etc - all because "but the corps are worse".
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2024-07-06
Very much this. Destroying the planet for profit is a Supply Side Jesus thing. Even a crazy person reading of the Bible says Adam was created to steward the Garden.
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2024-07-06
Sulfur dioxide, unfortunately, precipitates as sulfuric acid. In other words, acid rain.
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2024-07-06
Humanity, natures one hit wonder. We peaked early and will fade away!
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2024-07-06
Totally not missing the point of the article, but thanks for your assumption. You seem to be missing mine: CBS makes a headline about runaway CO2 emissions which, are "faster than ever," meaning unprecedented or "never this bad ever in the history of anything ever happening". They then proceed to correct themselves and say it's the 5th largest... Not the worst, or in their context "first-largest" or THE largest. It's clickbait, sorry.
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2024-07-06
Check the graphs in their source, they match mine. Happy to be shown otherwise! Human growth is so large that we will be in natures way a lot more, nobody denies that. It’s obviously getting warmer too. Again, nothing new but the uptick is faster.
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2024-07-06
I think the USA is going to have to become the "bad guys" suffer through a horrible war on our own land, and somehow lose that war, for the tide of late-stage-capitalism to come to a close. This country will cling to it like madmen, but we might not have a choice. Only then will humanity be able to move forward into something reasonable and sustaining. We're not going to give up our gluttony for resources. We're just not. Nor will other nations. Not without crisis.
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2024-07-06
Humanity has proven that we can plan for the future and engage in projects that wont benefit the current generation but will benefit future generations. But this late stage capitalism attitude of "line must go up" has put consumerism over absolutely everything else. I believe its a systemic, societal problem driven by our overlords at the top rather than a flaw with our species. The flaw with our species is that we are hard wired to organize ourselves in a heirarchy and then not break that heirarchy until it becomes unbearable. By the time we overthrow those responsible for climate change (if we ever do) it will be far too late. Most revolutions dont have a hard deadline. This one does, and we have probaby surpassed it
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2024-07-06
People who both give a fuck *and* have hope for the future will have children too. Not all of us are doomers.
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2024-07-06
I feel so bad for the kid you're going to raise to be a nutjob.
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2024-07-06
Some people would rather be asleep.
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2024-07-06
Being adaptable and surviving doesn't mean we're gonna thrive in catastrophic climate change. I could see a lot of humans dying out from famine, birth rate decline, wars, disease, etc,. Human "civilization" could just end up as subsistence farming or some sort of modern take on feudalism. People are gonna be way less focused on research and development and there could be loss of knowledge/technology, at least for the masses.
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2024-07-06
"If there's one thing that the world needs right now, it's scientists. We cannot stop innovating. That's how you solve a problem." * The Tomorrow War
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2024-07-06
I mean it's certainly better than 100 years ago
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2024-07-06
We are the most cooperative species to ever exist. It’s our fundamental competitive advantage. Alone we are weak. In numbers we will fuck up a Wooly Mammoth
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2024-07-06
Nixon created the EPA because Congress was about to create something much more draconian. I will give Tricky Dick a bit of credit here, that was a compromise which is something the modern Republicans can't seem to wrap their pea brains around. But ultimately his goal was to create an institution that would pay lip service to protecting the environment, while rendering them toothless to hurt his big business donors.
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2024-07-06
Just about every Canadian province set records for wildfires in 2023. A nation-wide phenomena across one of the largest regions in the world is not a "localised extreme."
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2024-07-06
Yea. You're telling me a guy on death row is depressed because they're ruminating on existential issues... What a goddamn surprise.
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2024-07-06
We have atmospheric manipulation tech - we're using it to make the climate worse.
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2024-07-06
Crazy adaptable, sure, if you want your home invaded by climate migrants. Or have to pay >1000% more for basic commodities like food because crops don't grow very well, fish and animals die off.
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2024-07-06
The miracle technology exists already: Solar, wind..We just don't say goodbye to coal and oil
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2024-07-06
Corporations also spend billions to convince consumers that they need their products.
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2024-07-06
Prices go up, poor countries starve while rich countries complain about inflation.
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2024-07-06
Those stats are misleading since they include donations from employees of those companies from their personal bank accounts, not tied to the interests of the companies themselves. If you work for an oil company and you donate to Biden, it's going to show up as a donation to Biden from the fossil fuel industry, but that is misleading since the company didn't make that donation itself. The real big money we have to worry about are the super PAC donors. That's where the billionaires and corporations and foreign governments use to influence policy. That being said, you can see clear differences between the two parties. The Democrats have been making active efforts to fight climate change for years, while the Republicans have been blocking all those efforts. Based on their behavior, you can deduce that the Republican party is the one taking bribes from the industry itself and its super PACs.
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2024-07-06
Bad news. It's not just the atmosphere that has issues. It's the soil we grow our plants in as well. It's a bit of a quiet crisis, but when it hits (half century) then we're gonna have population control whether we like it or not.
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2024-07-06
Well yes and no… Humans are really bad at course correcting so things like stop using cars, eating meat and flying is pretty much useless and doesn’t work at scale. On the other hand, Humans are amazing at adapting to difficult circumstances and I’m pretty optimistic that we’ll be fine. Despite all the doom mongering from Redditors who don’t actually go outside, the simple truth is that, orders of magnitudes less people die today of Natural disasters (Yes, natural disasters), illnesses, famine and starvation than did 50 or 100 years ago.
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2024-07-06
The Krogan (Mass Effect) got uplifted and immediately turned their planet into a nuclear war zone. That's pretty on par with humanity
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2024-07-06
What's your age? My guess is that it's 25 years out.
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2024-07-06
I feel like a dick arguing with everyone, but I find this super normal/common sentiment frustrating. I’m copying a relevant comment I made down below: “ There have been 5 mass extinction events of similar scale in the 3ish billion years of life on earth. So to cause one ourselves is pretty major id say And we have this confidence that life is so resilient (I.e. “life finds a way etc etc”) but we haven’t had much chance to actually test that out. Like I said, in 3ish billion years we’ve had 5 mass extinction events, we can consider these our “tests”. 5 tests in 3ish billion years is not very good data - maybe life got lucky those 5 times? Do we wanna push our (all life as we know it’s) luck? But hey, maybe life is super resilient, maybe life is a law of entropy & is almost guaranteed given the right conditions. Could be true, but there isn’t much evidence for it currently. We have no clue. “
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2024-07-06
I'm 33.
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2024-07-06
That webpage still says that we’re are acting to avoid surpassing 1.5C. We’re surpassing 1.5C this year. Humanity is fucked.
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2024-07-06
That's a plot point in Ministry for the Future
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2024-07-06
Corporations: What?... What was that? We can't hear you on our mountain of money.
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2024-07-06
Reference it
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2024-07-06
I mean sure. It just feels like a pointless nitpick when the overall message is 'we're fucking over our own future, not just those of other species.' Like okay, pollution won't make humanity go extinct, it'll just enormously reduce our population and put us on the WALL-E timeline. Hooray?
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2024-07-06
One side is TRYING the other is reversing. THOSE ARE YOUR CHOICES. Sorry people like you live in fantasy land where someone can snap their fingers and fix all these things. Reality is progress takes TIME. The slow moving bruecray IS how things work. REVERSING IS NOT THE ANSWER. People like you are happy reversing to feel smug that "ThEY CaN dO MoRE". When in reality this isn't how things work. So yes. You are the problem. Go feel smug somewhere else while real people try and march progress while you sit at home. You will let trump win who will burn down the planet faster just so you can feel smug. Unreal.
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2024-07-06
With all of these private climate agenda meetings and public statements from billionaires, fossil fuel burning is still paradoxically accelerating. I think the solution is that billionaires aren't doing enough and need to quadruple or quintuple the number of events where they fly their jets into rich resorts and talk amongst themselves about the need to cap CO2 emissions and cap the global temperature rise at 1.5 C, which is starting to look like a pipe dream.
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2024-07-06
Fun fact: there are charcoal fields outside of Chernobyl where the radioactive contamination is indeed preventing wood from decaying naturally. And it does indeed lock in a huge amount of carbon in this forest that never decays. So now there are whole fields of very flammable charcoal logs just sitting there. Out in the open. Of a modern battlefield. Completely covered and filled with the sort of stuff you want to keep in lead-lined concrete caskets deep underground. And it looks like it's going to be a dry summer there. Again. ... Welp, sleep tight! Don't get anxiety-induced insomnia!
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2024-07-06
Raising a child right won't stop them from suffering the rapidly worsening climate. I'd rather have no children than create a loved one just to see them suffer. The guilt would drive me insane and I wouldn't blame them for resenting me. If people want to raise someone who can make a difference, they should consider adopting one of the many orphans who already exist.
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2024-07-06
If you make room, there is always time for civics, volunteerism, or supporting your beliefs by way of protest or organizing.
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2024-07-06
Then mass populations die and the world slowly heals! Yay!
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2024-07-06
why do you suppose he chose those 2 numbers? 20,000 thousand years of what?? humans have existed longer than that, but we didn't really start fucking up the earth until the industrial revolution in the late 1800s. And why 7 more. so specific!
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2024-07-06
I wish we could get more people to simply care. Even just caring would mean so much.
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2024-07-06
We need a carbon tax. A strong one.
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2024-07-06
I now talk about the climate in a doomier past-tense sort of way when the topic comes up.
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2024-07-06
I live in the Midwest. There is no longer a proper spring and fall. It's either summer or winter. You may get 1 week of spring/fall, but that's about it
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2024-07-06
Your friend’s coke usage is to blame. Vaccines don’t cause tumours or heart issues.
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2024-07-06
Why would anyone complain to some randomer on Reddit that is angry at the world and people in it and is judgemental AF with a toxic and selfish attitude to anyone who dates to have or raise kids or plans anything into the future? I won't. Same as I am going to ignore you because frankly... You don't matter.
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2024-07-06
I agree completely. The more resources we can dedicate to arranging summits and meetings, the more theoretical policy discussion can occur, benefiting nobody and generating mountains of waste.
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2024-07-06
And you know that will never happen and still said it.
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2024-07-06
Go on and kill your fucking kid buddy
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2024-07-06
100%. Also, think about the people who do care about the environment. It's a lot of educated people and people that aren't struggling day to day. Lower income people in the US for example could care less about changing anything when they just want to survive. That is compounded in 3rd world countries. The average person can literally do nothing to stop this, IT HAS to come at a huge governmental level between the biggest countries to do anything. I recycle, i take public transport, i eat locally grown food, I use the least amount of power necessary, i dont buy shit i dont need, etc. but it's doing fuck all on the grand scheme of the planet and I'm a lucky one who is well off and not struggling day to day.
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2024-07-06
At least you attempted to earn fake internet points for your edgy comment about regretting having your kid. A model parent you must be.
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2024-07-06
Did you forget what the article you're commenting under says? We are doing worse than predictions. Go with the peak oil prediction, and expect it to be worse.
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2024-07-06
Same, my plants, chickens, two corgis all dead cause of the vaccine.
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2024-07-06
And it as been proven that they will reduce how much Co2 they can absorb as climate change does it's thing.
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2024-07-06
They’ll only come here to steal our water like in Battle Los Angeles or fatten us up like in that Twilight Zone episode
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2024-07-06
We as a species got lucky that our ancestors, who were use to living in harsher living conditions that most today ever could deal with daily, survived. We are not the same as them. Any where that remains habitable for long will be overrun by people. There will be fighting over the land that is left. We will likely kill most of whats left of us ourselves before climate ever can. That will likely leave very few of us left. Also the situation will not be the same either. This isn't something that has just happened. It will likely be way worse than the ice age was with the help we are giving it. When things like the oxygen levels of earth drop to a point people can't breath it won't matter what we survived in the past.
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2024-07-06
Do you know your kid might have to possibly engage in cannibalism to survive? Hell he might get cannibalized himself.
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2024-07-06
Plants need more than just CO2 to survive.
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2024-07-06
they don't even bother with the greenwashing part thanks to tieing it all together in wonderful intersectionality. Don't worry it was a women veteran who did it so no need to watch those emissions
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2024-07-06
So this is the type of mental delusion Trump supporters use to try and justify when they are wrong after being given actual proof. Truly miraculously
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2024-07-06
Consumerism doesn’t exist without the consumer.
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2024-07-06
Since 1912.
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2024-07-06
Nobody expected them!
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2024-07-06
Ecc 1:9 ...sans the aliens.
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2024-07-06
Goodbye Patrick! Goodbye Ice Cream!
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2024-07-06
Plenty of people care a lot, it’s just that maybe what they care about is hurting people who aren’t white, or who are gay, or who aren’t from where they’re from. I think it’d be better if people cared less, actually. A lot of the people caring the most are caring about really harmful, negative things.
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2024-07-06
> There is no such thing as having kids for the sake of the kids... That makes no logical sense. You cannot do something that someone who isn't in existence wishes. You seem to have some serious empathy problems. When someone plans to have a kid, a good person will think about the future they can provide their kid. They will have a room ready for them, and even might start thinking about school before they're even born yet. Parents care about their children, even the theoretical ones. A good person doesn't want to bring a child into a world if they think the child will live a terrible life.
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2024-07-06
So... when you gonna contact China about reducing that?
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2024-07-06
The age difference between me and my kids will be some 20/30 years so whatever they will experience I will. Stiff happens. I rather have kids raise them and for them to die as adults who aimed to do things and tried their best at improving the world than to have nothing, die with nothing, and left the world to rot because I couldn't not bare to try and make it better across generations.
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2024-07-06
Yeah well we need that open space for golf courses
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2024-07-06
We can’t even get human rights and international law right. Of course we can’t get this right
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2024-07-06
Bitcoin
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yeah it's insanely sad im at the point deciding with my partner if we want to have kids and this is the concern. Not if we can afford them, if we want to, but the future of the planet. For fuck's sake. At least our boomer parents lived in the literal perfect lifetime to not experience real war, buy houses for 30k, live comfortably off an average job, and take what's left of social security.
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2024-07-06
We are so fucked.
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2024-07-06
Exactly, Amazon deforestation is a classic example. There is a level called "point if no return" on which enough deforestation will prevent Amazon forest to retain the necessary humidity and block enough the winds to keep it humid. If that happens, not only the environment will change to more desertic and Mother Nature will not be able to "restore" but rather change it to something less efficient in CO2 absorption.
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i hope they would be sporting about it then. cause currently it would be like a kid at the bottom of a 50 foot deep sinkhole with a bunch of molotov cocktails he can only throw most of the way up, vs the entire us military who have no reason to even get near the edge, but would be safe even if they did.
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2024-07-06
i agree with this. I think it will take a significant crop failure world wide. once stable foods are unavailable in the US and Europe and rationing has to take place - i think the action required will be taken. immediate bans of fossil fuel burning, huge investment into green energy / carbon capture etc. it COULD happen
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2024-07-06
I would say the cuter and more pettable the animal the better its chances of staying with us longer. Cats should be completely fine btw, they can easily deal with 50 degrees and won't mind. I was more thinking of lions, elephants, most monkeys, lots of reptiles, the extinction event is already well on its way, and we are the cause.
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No, I don't think it will happen quite like that, but I think they'll be a lot of shitty times, but peoplein the year, say 4000, will lookback on us maybe the way we look back on medieval times with things like the plague - a tragedy, but it's not one that affects us anymore. We're modern humans on the other side of all that. It's clearthat humanity as a whole is working towards a state of mastery over the physical world and the creation of balanced environments, but it will take us centuries to get there.
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2024-07-06
It seems more consistent with who George Carlin was that it would be the more apathetic option—which is that there's nothing we can do and we're all screwed. This is the same guy that rails on about both parties being the same and that voting doesn't matter. He's right about a lot of things, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who was open to discussing solutions. He was of the mindset that it's all fucked and it will all stay fucked and nothing we do will change that, and that's the mindset of a lot of people in regards to climate change.
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2024-07-06
At least we have a shit ton of plants in florida to eat some of the carbon dioxide.
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2024-07-06
I like how the prescription is we’re all gonna die and all anyone can do is upvote the comment that is serving the most cunt at the time, instead of what any one individual should actively be trying to do about it. Like 🤷💀😪
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The earliest example of buildings and basic agriculture are at the [Ohalo II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohalo_II) site, in modern day Israel, carbon dated to about 20,000 years ago. "This" refers to civilization, not pollution 7 more years is an asspull, but it's taking the stance that world doesn't need to become fully uninhabitable for civilization to collapse
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2024-07-06
We better have a tax about it. 
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2024-07-06
Or to put it succinctly... We are fucking fucked. https://youtu.be/ac4E_UsmB1g?si=P39lozwIwgoRNz2E
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2024-07-06
You don't mean what you say
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2024-07-06
no reason it needs to be liquid when you harvest it, just take it in the form of ice and melt it, water is super abundant out beyond the frost line everywhere in the universe. even if they wanted liquid water specifically, just in this solar system it is more abundant off planet earth than it is on earth....probably, we do need to 100% confirm that still tho.
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Feudalism, peasant farming, **all farming** requires stable and predictable climates. That’s probably why human agriculture didn’t develop until the end of the last glacial maximum. Other sources of food within our environment like fish in the ocean were wildly abundant and relatively easy to catch. The modern ocean has been dramatically over fished, polluted, acidified, and dramatically heated. In other words the ocean compared to pre-industrial times is effectively **dead already**. Add in the fact that it will keep on warming, and continue to become more acidic before our civilization collapses, annnd studies have already suggested that the Ocean will essentially be empty by 2050… https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/seafood-biodiversity In other words there is no “going back” to the way things were. The composition of the atmosphere has already been changed and will not stabilize for thousands of years. Wild sources of food have been effectively driven extinct. Living as a pre-historical or even pre-industrial world was quite difficult. Now take that lifestyle and instead of allowing people to live in a environmentally pristine world instead make those same people live in a toxic waste dump… Would you say toxic waste dumps are a good place to farm?
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2024-07-06
China produce the most solar energy than the next 5 counties combined and have the largest EV market than any country. While we're the NUMBER 1 oil producing country in the world.
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2024-07-06
Actuaries have been shitting a brick about climate change for 30 years at this point. One only has to look at the Florida insurance industry to see where this is headed. I fucked off to Alaska and I call myself a climate refugee already.
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2024-07-06
Well yeah and a lot of people associate "woke" with bad. So, it's by design these bad actors try to associate climate change with wokeness.
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2024-07-06
and if you WANT to make changes, like add solar to your home, they put up roadblocks to make it difficult or way more expensive than it needs to be. only 5KW is needed on most homes, at retail price of $1 per watt, thats $5KUS for the solar panels, mounts. add 30% to that for the synching microinverters and wiring. can be wired in less than 4 hours by any electrician. Regulations, roadblocks and outright greed by solar install companies take that MAX $10 of equipment and turns it into a $80K price that nobody can afford and has a payback time that is unreasonable.
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