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Both Facebook and Google said the same thing. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
I prefer my personal devices not be made by a company whose primary shareholder value is the collection and aggregation of personal data. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Apple’s security posture, especially for on-device data, is years ahead of Google or Microsoft. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
From what info I have been able to find on Apple's AI, the privacy aspects are similar to Microsoft's Recall feature, with the notable exceptions that Apple has this feature available on existing hardware (with Microsoft it's only on specific hardware), and with Apple there is some amount of cloud upload of data to sync between devices and for 'scaling up' (Microsoft's is completely on device, and no data is transmitted from the device for any reason).
I didn't see any mention of how Apple is protecting user data when the software is in use (Microsoft require biometric confirmation for any access of the data).
I don't think it's fair to say:
>Apple seems to be the only ones that are actually concerned with their consumers privacy even a little bit.
If anything (disclaimer, I've been reading about Microsoft's Recall for a week or more now, and have only a cursory understanding of Apple's newly announced stuff) it sounds to me like Apple's version is less privacy oriented than Microsoft's, but Apple are simply better at communication than Microsoft. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
They gave into the CCP and only allow "government approved" apps in China, which almost certainly collect data on users with the user's "consent". Sure Apple will fight in a court case, but they won't give up a lucrative market to stay true to their values. I don't blame them for that, but trusting a company to never bow down to a government isn't a good move. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
I agree with you, but I think it's still fair to point out that there's a "trust the auditor" step in there. It's true that it can never match the privacy guarantees of, say, an open-source system.
That's not to say Apple is up to anything nefarious or incompetent here, just that there are inherent limits to dealing with proprietary cloud software, even from companies with good reputations. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
It doesn’t say anything about how they specifically train their model or what datasets go in to it. The only mention of data leaving the device is to fulfill requests that an on-device model isn’t capable of handling. If I had to guess, I’d imagine they are using something like Applebot to curate such a dataset (https://support.apple.com/en-us/119829), which at this point has an insane amount of data that it’s scraped (and continues to scrape). Probably have it more focused rather than “download the internet”, like Applebot does. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
You can run a model over data without contributing that data to the model. In the field, its referred to as “training” and “inference”. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Because not every prompt into Chat GPT contains something that you care to keep confidential. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Graphene OS or any of the other open source cellphone OSs. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Apple makes money by selling you hardware and services. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
It's really interesting to see the difference in what comments are getting upvoted/downvoted in this thread compared to the ones about Microsoft's Recall.
Basically the criticisms in this thread are getting downvoted, but almost identical criticisms are getting heavily upvoted in the Microsoft threads.
And while I admittedly haven't yet got up to speed on Apple's new feature, it currently looks to be less privacy oriented than Microsoft's (e.g. Microsoft is sending nothing off device, whereas Apple is using the cloud for some aspects; Apple is adding this feature to existing devices whereas MS only includes it on new laptops). | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
What about 3rd parties? Will they also have access to this data? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Simmer down, Elon | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
same reason why people wanted to choose their default browser | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Some people may be ok with that. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
that run on…wait for it…their hardware! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Yes, it's pretty hilarious to watch how little people trust Microsoft... Apple is a trusted brand for security and the disparity between them is obvious | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
That is precisely what was just announced | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Because you shouldn’t trust a company whose entire existence is built upon the theft of countless data harvesting endeavors that are unprecedented in their vast scope and scale? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Tech security is not my area, but what's your assessment on Apple's involvement in the PRISM program? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
It's also amazing to see the quality of comments on Reddit vs ArsTechnica. There are people on that site who are very, very knowledgable as compared to Reddit. Here you have a bunch of people who spread absolute BS and get 1000 upvotes for it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Literally of the big companies who is better?
Apple arnt flawless by any means but they have consistently fought against government attempts to get data, they have refused to break into devices and been taken to court over it.
Hell they even added the ability to stop apps tracking you by default.
As far as big tech companies go when it comes to privacy I trust apple a hell of alot more than Google, meta, Microsoft.
If you think any of those are better I would love to hear why. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Wait until you visit /r/science | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
> This sub is for discussion about technology in general
Is it though? Or is it mostly discussion about stocks, big tech, and social media lmao | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
I call bullshit | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Most people are ok with that. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Yes but you don’t understand they make the same phones every year | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
But again, one is “not doing something they were supposed to” the other is “doing something they were not supposed to”. You could make an argument for improper encryption but I find that unlikely, nor do I have any idea what they’d gain from doing so to begin with. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
But it's still on your device, right? If you have a pile of valuables in the middle of your house, you wouldn't feel especially clever just because you locked the door. If the AI is watching you and building a profile about you, then that's a pile of valuables. Sure it's not supposed to leave your device, but that doesn't mean it won't. If the data exist then it's stealable. The only security is to make sure the data doesn't exist. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
They don't sell your data because their products are so anti-consumer that they use the data themselves to develop their products. They would be stupid to sell it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Because Google does the same thing. They are not selling People's music data, but anonymizing it as well.
Actually selling data would be an incredibly non lucrative idea. By hoarding the data, both companies can make a lot of money by matching ads up with appropriate demographics. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
TIL there are oss phone os’s. I assume they sre android based? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
But that's what Apple does as well. Google and Apple methods for selling advertising are the same. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Just.
Run.
It.
Local.
None of this shit needs to be in a hosted cloud environment. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
However that's where anonymization comes in. You know that there are 3 million people who fit that demographic in the city you are in but you don't know who they are. You wouldn't be able to tell individual names or addresses or anything. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
I hit the group chat with Albert Einstein with some nice boobs and the next day anything explicit was unable to be rendered smh | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Would you care to buy the Brooklyn Bridge? It is a lovely property, and I have the exclusive right to sell it. Serious enquiries only. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Maaaan, missed opportunity for sure lol | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Remember when Alexa claimed they weren't recording at all times except for "Hey Alexa"
Are you in the industry by chance? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
People dont really trust apple either lol | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
I want that in formal writing not subject to change | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
>They sell all of the data they collect so as to sell things to you.
They sell targeted ads but they do not sell your data. That would be silly.
Apple and Google do the same thing with their data, as far as advertising goes. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Until you get hacked. It's all on your device | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
I have a lot of problems with Apple, but the one thing I can say with complete certainty is currently not an issue with them is security. I have seen a significant number of scenarios in which Apple is beseeched for help and their response was effectively, "We don't have the encryption key. Can't help you." Sure, someone can try to, "Yeah but...," me all they want, but at least a few of those times were in direct response to a *federal government request*. If they had a way to break it, that would be the time.
In fact, the last time this happened was the trigger for one of the more recent waves of politician stupidity where they try to outlaw encryption. That shit always happens after some investigation doesn't get the blatant backdoor they wanted. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
> also a gay man born in 1960. Probably has some experience with wanting to keep things private given the world he grew up in.
Not just a gay man born in 1960, a gay man born, raised, educated, and who started his career across the southeast in the 60s-late 90s when he took the job at Apple. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
No the only option for you is to be roasted alive. Too many Apple folks get uppity when people talk bad about Apple. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Sorry but I definitely do trust apple on this statement. Apple has always valued privacy. You can laugh at me if me if apple one day turns out to steal your data, but until them i do trust them. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Just 3rd parties they sell it to. 👍 | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
It was a fair question, why do people feel need to download it to non-existence? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
This feels like a Mr Burns style promise where he just turns around and murmurs the sneaky reveal quietly while tapping his finger tips | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
But then at the same time making a deal with chat GPT. I wonder how they are securing that? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
If memory serves me right, wasn't the Fappening caused by a breach in apples cloud services?
Also, didn't apple recently have some update that recalled old deleted photos from years prior? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
[Lies](https://youtu.be/Y8tVRmykGR4?si=CIAyTXxVVo5RsHKh)
Doubt | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
It won't really change anything. What remains of the market share Apple doesn't have aren't going to jump to them because of this.
This was just an easy PR win in the face of Microsoft's stupidity with Recall. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I’m guessing right before iOS 18 comes out | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
You’re getting a lil aggressive for a internet argument lol | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Google cannot market anything well | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Google doesn't sell your data. They collected and use it for targeted ads, in this exact same way that Apple does. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Depends on whether one strategy provides significant advantages over the other. Having more access to data and computational capability for the data may improve the product more quickly.
I’m pretty excited to see what happens in the future between ChatGPT, Gemini, and Apple Intelligence going forward. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
> ...if we genuinely want these things to be our Everything Assistants...
I of course cannot speak for everyone, but I absolutely do not want this. At all. I have been figuring shit out myself for over thirty years, I couldn't give two shits about AI trying to predict what I want (in *any* meaning of the phrase), and in my honest opinion no one should want so much data pooled together about them that an AI can *accurately* predict their every whim.
It's just so crazy shortsighted to me that there's anyone whom thinks this is a good idea, and I honestly don't mean that as an insult to you, just a blunt statement.
In a utopia scenario, maybe I could be persuaded, but we are so far from that scenario that to humor it borders on the ridiculous. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
You seem to be suggesting Apple and Google are no different regarding user privacy. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Google and Meta also do not sell data. They sell services that use the data. They are the same as Apple.
Selling the data directly would mean the buyers would no longer need your services because they have the raw dataset. The raw data is the golden goose. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
> Because Google does the same thing. They are not selling People's music data, but anonymizing it as well.
The way the two companies *use* that data is *completely* different:
- Apple uses it in very select places like the App Store to allow app developers to display relevant app ads inside of that app.
- Google lets anyone on their advertising networks to use it to track you wherever you go on the web and in other apps in order to sell you whatever (and often to target you with malware). | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
True that… well, seems like I expected too much… maybe a syndrome following “btw i use arch” | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Yes, but importantly, Apple handles customer data. It’s not possible to attribute individual app downloads to a specific ad tracking id
Marketers hate it, because you have to jump through extra hopps | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Yep. I don't want everything I do on my computer to be perpetually available to any legal action and/or unfortunate virus. It's an unnecessary risk. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Bingo. If they gonna get my data, at least ask nicely and I'll give you down to the details of my poop size. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
How do you think apple can block your uploads if they deem them inappropriate if they don't look at what you are putting on icloud?
Why could an israeli security company hack the iphone of a terrorist when apple refused to help the US Federal govt?
It's in apples interest to lie about their ability to access peoples data. Its worth money to them to perpetuate that. Whats your excuse. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I wasn't aware that Apple had actually added AI to their walled garden yet. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
What part of anonymizing didn't you understand? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I'm literally a programmer for a cybersecurity company. I have created CI/CD pipelines with automated hash validation. Asking these questions is what I do for a living.
Apple, like any other company, is not immune to flaws.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/apple-security-flaw-full-control-1.6556039
https://www.ft.com/content/a0e75b32-8f95-4869-af94-e5f44f0f7961
Any time a huge company talks about how they use, access, or protect data, I take it with a grain of salt and it's a little disturbing how readily people will just accept those claims and crap all over anybody who says, "now hold on a second-" | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Next versions of the OSs that will be out in the Fall. Just announced today. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
For a company who apparently doesn't make money from your data... they seem to love gathering information from literally every avenue of your existence, except maybe your thoughts.
weird | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
No, very much the opposite. Security through obscurity is not security. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
You spelled trillion wrong | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
That’s how our university is using ChatGPT through copilot. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Its because apple supporters are brain dead and will believe anything | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
when did everyone drink the apple flavored koolaid? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
“And everyone knows we’ve only become the richest company on the planet by being completely honest and upfront.” | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Android isn't one unified entity. It's an open source OS. Literally, it doesn't exist to make money. Now, Google supports it and uses it on their phones. They also own one of the main stores where you can get apps. However, to say that you are the product with android is disingenuous. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Hey, each to their own. I’m comfortable enough in my perspective that I won’t take shots at yours, the way you took shots at others.
Cheers! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Apple is not good at Privacy.
At least not everywhere.
You might want to do some research on how they hand over all Chinese users data. They store Chinese user data in Government controlled facility, and they used an old encryption algorithm that is easy to break for the gvt.
it's a funny trick, because officially, they don't hand over the data, but in practice, it's an open book. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I’m looking into this myself right now. Do you have any articles or documents explaining Apple’s process for this that you’d like to share? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Ever use an android without the google layer? It’s rather painful. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
> Apple runs a massive ad platform for app installs and uses user data in the exact same way they ban google and meta from doing so.
You're either new around here or a very special kind of naive
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/
And they also lie about you privacy when the feds tell them to. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
The people who don't realize this is far too high. No company on the world will leave money on the table, none. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Never buy a house! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
To be fair, Apple is possibly the only company that I _wouldn't_ suspect of lying about this (either outright or changing their minds later).
I don't even like Apple that much, but their business model is based around selling hardware to consumers/orgs rather than services/ads/etc - they don't benefit much from lying about privacy compared to other companies. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
The technically illiterate have all come to post on this thread. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
lol, I honestly don't get why people get so mad about this.
Just don't use it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Just don't opt in? Are you dumb lmao?? No one is forcing you to use this. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Hahaha, yeah right. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Hahahhahahahahahahhahahaha
Hahahaha
Hahahahahahaahahahaa | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
See, this comment here is interesting. All this comment did was insult me and invalidate what I'm saying by making a pair of outlandish comparisons, without addressing any of the actual content of the article or this particular thread. By invalidating what I've said, it is essentially saying, "Trust Apple. What they say they're going to do is exactly what they're going to do."
But how many times have big companies been caught storing more data than they said? How many times have the terms and conditions been adjusted with no recourse for the user? This isn't some conspiracy mindset. Stuff like this pops up in the news all the time. Like the Adobe AI moderation thing that came up just a few days ago. Or Google storing data from private browsing sessions a few years ago. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I can’t not use it. It’s baked into the products.
You can’t even delete Edge from Windows. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I mean... Some people probably said this years ago when phones got popular. "I don't need a smartphone". Yet, today a smartphone is pretty much a necessity unless you wanna make your life really hard.
So I guess you'll just have to adapt. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
> At it's heart Windows has never been better
In terms of overall stability and security (privacy isn't the same thing), yes. HDR support is also better than 10, though still pretty bad.
Most everything else isn't really any better, and several things are actively worse, especially with UI/UX. Out of the box experience is fucking awful now if you don't know how to debloat/strip it, folder previews still suck ass compared to Windows 10, recursively setting folder view settings never works anymore, taskbar is still missing basic features Windows has had since **Windows 95**, etc etc. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
thats how it starts, then a stealth update will change it , if they get caught they just say oopsie.. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
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