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The phone announces that it’s recording when one party tries to record. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
I just tried this feature, and could not figure out how to do it. I'm guessing in a later beta they will release it.
Tried to have the call come in, and call out. Didn't see an option to start recording.
*Before anyone asks, yes I just upgraded a device to IOS 18 developer beta to test his on. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
With 2 party consent the person on the other end just needs to be aware the call is being recorded via an automated announcement at the beginning.
If they don’t consent then they simply hang up. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
It’d be useful if someone’s giving you specific instructions/information and writing it down may not be viable
Eg when I was someone’s assistant I made a ton of calls while I would be commuting, but didn’t want to write stuff down while I was driving, so I either had to pull over or try to remember until I got to work. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
What happens when a one party state calls someone in Florida? How does that work? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Hopefully can just record calls and do not need to opt in to ai | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
**Our society is so fcked** | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Fingers crossed that it says, “This call is being recorded for quality control purposes” | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
iOS 18 isn’t out yet you won’t be able to use it yet | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
WHAT!!!!??? Reddit has taught me that Android is ALWAYS soooo far ahead of IOS. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Love how you came in with full confidence without reading the full comment | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
That’s not true. A jailbroken iPhone can easily install the Call Recorder tweak. I used it once and it saved me from paying a fee that was erroneously imposed on me. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Because it mostly is | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I mean with the surge of AI technologies, you don't need to cut things, you can simply provide a sample and generate anything unfortunately. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I remember when it first came out and there was no copy and paste function for two years.
LOL what a crippled product!
But shiny shiny shiny@ | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Damn you Linda Tripp | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
There are already ways to record calls so this isn’t really changing that paradigm, just making it more accessible | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
New York is 1 party. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
>Damn you Linda Tripp
*now that's a name i haven't heard in a long time* | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
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Share, how ludicrous. In their minds, each child needs their own iPad | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
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Mozilla did a privacy review and found every car to be basically a rolling spying platform. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
It's been a thing for a long time [https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/04/28/135809709/dutch-police-used-tomtoms-gps-data-to-target-speeders](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/04/28/135809709/dutch-police-used-tomtoms-gps-data-to-target-speeders) Phone apps nowadays have access to more data than car navs. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
I drive older cars, one of which is so old it does not even have Bluetooth. My newest vehicle is 12 years old and doesn't have the info entertainment so there are no apps to add to my vehicle. I have very few apps on my phone and none of the ones mentioned in the article. Sometimes old school technology is better. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
several downvotes with zero replies. it feels a little racist. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Oh hell yeah that company is so shaddy. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
People are obviously ok with it, because they continue to use the products and sign up for more every day. More then 50% of Facebooks users were extremely concerned or very concerned with their privacy on social media, but they keep on using Facebook despite knowing it is invading their privacy. Every day more and more people voluntarily grant their insurance company the ability to track their movements and phone usage just for the chance to possibly save a couple dollars. Everyone says they care about their privacy, but no one is willing to put their money where their mouth is.
If you cared about privacy, you wouldn't be using reddit right now. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
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Finally. they've been behind on this for years | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Meanwhile as of 2 days ago, Google yet again blocks rooted devices from using RCS. Nobody yet knows how they did it, but it appears passing SafetyNet is no longer enough. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
That used to be the case, but most of the big apps optimize for the big companies now, iirc. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
They did mention it by name when the iOS 18 overview card was displayed on screen. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Oh look an iSupremacist | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
You're confusing two entirely different issues.
Number one: Pixel takes the best pictures of any phone out, iPhone included.
Number two: MMS technology (what sends the data from your phone to another over cellular) is VERY old and antiquated. MMS was replaced by RCS in Android like a decade ago, but Apple stuck with MMS. MMS is the problem.
MMS has a file transfer size limit. RCS fixed this. So when you exchange photos between an iPhone and an Android phone, MMS is the bottleneck.
IOS doesn't allow Android to send messages through iMessage, obviously. But RCS is available to literally anyone who wants to use it.
Apple is the problem. It has nothing to do with the camera for God's sake. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
It's Android's fault for Apple not adopting RCS? Lol. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Why is that relevant | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
The ‘blue’ bubbles are already different shades of blue depending on the position of the message in the window. That would be a branding nightmare | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Hasn't been true for years | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-10-06 |
Siri failed you | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
[https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/8/23824800/google-messages-rcs-end-to-end-encryption-default-group](https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/8/23824800/google-messages-rcs-end-to-end-encryption-default-group) | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
To pretend that apple wasn't putting this off because it threatens iMessage is naive | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
You're saying the EU was wrong and that Apple was just looking out for everyone's best interests. It wasn't an attempt to lock out competition for an important communications platform?
Yeah no. I'll take the EU regulators perspective on this. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I was just talking about this last month: 25 years ago, there used to be a chat software through which you could load all of your instant message accounts and contacts, and they would all display there in one feed. (Apparently, that was relatively easy, back then.) Here it is in 2024, and I am forced to open, check, and use /seven/ different messaging apps -- eight, if you include SMS -- on a daily basis, and it is annoying as hell. Maybe RCS will be the standard through which all messages will someday flow, and a single "message hub" will handle all my messages from all of the sources. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Lmao what? Apple's finally joining the 21st century in messaging standards so that their phones can natively communicate with the other 71% of phones in the world. People have been complaining because it actively affects their user experience when it comes to group chats and sending media. Aside from that, literally nobody who owns an Android cares what Apple gets up to because it doesn't have any impact on them. But if iPhone users still want to complain about unsightly green bubbles, then that's their problem to worry about. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
> literally nobody who owns an Android cares what Apple gets up to
You’re really going to try and pretend there aren’t slews of comments mocking Apple every time a post referencing them hits /r/all? C’mon. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Samsung had their own version of RCS in like 2012. I guess Apple stopped that too? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Don’t be so quick to jump on the regulators bandwagon. Yes, they impose standards on messaging and cable connections, but wait until there is a new and better messaging infrastructure or cable type. Those wont be readily implemented because the EU will still require RCS and USB C. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
In the rest of the world? Hate to burst your bubble but texting is really only a US thing. The rest of the world uses WhatsApp, telegram and signal to communicate via text. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
EU already mandated common chargers in the early 2000s which consolidated the industry from 30 different chargers to USB, as agreed on by an industry consortium. The main change is that Apple is no longer allowed to just provide adapters to be compliant.
This has already worked 29 times before, so I don't think the 30th is any special | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
pity samsung is dog shit the last couple generations. especially with their warranties. fuck the consumer i guess | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Except RCS is standardized by GSMA, the same entity that defined and upheld the standard of SMS. Google was just the first company to adopt the RCS standard natively and has been laying the foundations for carriers and alternative messaging apps to adopt the standard. Since Apple finally caved on adopting RCS over SMS, Apple and Google have been working together to get GSMA to update the standard to require E2EE. This will then ensure that everyone on RCS is using the same universal encryption protocol and not different/independent encryption protocols hosted by the various companies that support E2EE in their apps. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
This isn’t the open profile standard though. This is Google’s extended version of RCS, which is not an open platform. All US carriers run their RCS servers on Google Jibe hardware due to Google pushing heavily on them to let them take the load of RCS messages. They kind of made a mess of RCS by implementing Jibe, rather than working with the GSMA | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I worked on one of these multi-protocol chat clients, Gaim (now called Pidgin). I promise it was anything but relatively easy back then 🙂 Each service required reverse-engineering (and keeping up with changes to their protocols), and only IRC and Jabber were open protocols. Most of the rest, those services didn’t want clients like ours there, and actively fought us.
What seemed relatively easy was just the public result of countless hours, _years_ of dedication and hard-won battles.
These days, while there are many services around, there’s at least efforts toward standardizing some of them. And easy access to clients on any device. Notifications that go to a central notification center. System-wide concepts of presence (Focus on iOS). Reliable file transfer. System APIs for talking to messaging services and sharing over them.
There aren’t as many all-in-one client efforts, for sure. And it’s harder to reverse-engineer than it used to be (primarily due to encryption, which was more rare for these services then).
But in many ways, these systems are more officially integrated and accessible than ever before. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Guys, maybe im playing devils advocate but i think this was sarcasm. Lol | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Samsung was using RCS back in like 2012 | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Messages Ultra | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
God I hope so | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Wow. Thanks so much for providing that background and insight. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Sorry, I meant Play Integrity. Passing device integrity is no longer enough. They're doing something else. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
RCS floundered for years. Even with all the influence Google/Samsung have, it took well over a decade to get what was a clear upgrade over SMS to get any kind of traction. Even the carriers tried to take things in their own direction and form their own coalition in 2019. While in an ideal world all of the phone device makers, Carriers, and the GSMA would have worked together to make this happen, it ended up Google had to go and do it themselves. And who could blame them. I don't think Google is any kind of angel by any means but I am confident they will be good stewards of RCS (particularly after their very public chastising of Apple) and work with everyone to make many of the nice features they added to RCS, like E2EE, become part of the GSMA standard | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Such as? RCS is a closed communication protocol developed by Google. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Nah, Google is shadowbanning rooted users when there's something off about the signature of the device. It used to be that you could just spoof device integrity and get around it, but it was recently noted that Google added some kind of additional serverside check.
Rooted devices are still encrypted and have been so for many years.
There's an interesting video on the subject here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcFg0ZJ2E_A
Essentially, it involves an encrypted binary that Google silently pushes to your device, which acts in combination with their server to run some code that spits out the state of your device. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
It happens on the Android side just the same. Yes, it should stop that. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
In 2020 Google pulls the gloves off with the mobile carriers and told them "either you implement this or we're just going to do it on our own and y'all get nothing."
Eventually they decided to play ball. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Nah, the true Apple way is to help invent something and then simultaneously fight against implementing it like USB-C lmao | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
FINALLY , I can text my family. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Me as a shrimp keeper: “RCS? How do you bring red cherry shrimps into a new operating system? Intergrated tomogachi of pet shrimps?” | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Apple went overboard with the one generation of MacBook pros. Thank God they reversed on that and also fixed the keyboards. What a shitty Mac generation | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
That's what it should be all about. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
And as an Android user, I'm good with that. I'd much prefer an open standard. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
> You completely missed the point
On purpose. I'm responding to what comes after that question.
Yes there aren't any apps that offer another implementation of RCS on android. (Pretty sure Samsung Messages is no longer a thing or they switched to using Google's RCS implementation)
Doesn't change the fact that they're spreading something that is completely wrong. RCS is not a closed communication protocol developed by Google. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
110kB, you claim? Got a source for that? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
As long as the bubbles are still green, I'm fine with it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
It’s allowed to get off your ass and look something up because asking everyone “what the fuck” it is. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Because neither of you read the article. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
You don‘t need RCS APIs to build an RCS app. There are e.g. RCS clients on iOS by a few dedicated mobile operators.
You can build your own stack from scratch. What people keep crying about is RCS APIs so they can just build a frontend and freeload off of Jibe. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I use Messages a lot, outside the US. I’m still reacting like you say, but that’s because it won’t affect me much. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
You‘re free to build your own RCS networking stack and connect to your own RCS hub that‘s interconnected. A few mobile operators did so with iOS apps.
Barrier of entry is unreachable high for freeloader messaging apps, but doable for actual carriers (they just don‘t do it cause it doesn‘t bring money). | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
There is no (open) standard for it in RCS. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Core RCS doesn’t support it, it’s a Google extension. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
The file size attachments is part of the universal profile, which is the bare minimum a client has to provide so Apple doesn‘t have any wiggle room in that regard. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Let’s say I upgrade my iPhone to the latest iOS. I’m a group w ten people. Most have iPhones but. Few have Google so it’s always “so and so liked ….” As opposed to a simple emoji.
So if I upgrade, it’ll look normal on my screen and vice versa? But it will look the old crappy way is someone is on iPhone but doesn’t upgrade to the latest iOS?? Did I get that correct? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
The big issue is that the encrypted RCS Android uses goes trough Google's servers. And that is what prevented Apple from implementing it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
E2EE is not defined in the RCS specifications.
Google created a proprietary extension for this, but this means all messages go through googles servers. So when Google is marketing RCS, what they are really marketing is basically their own WhatsApp - build on an open protocol (WhatsApp uses XMPP internally), but then extended in such a way that it creates a lock-in into the service.
Instead of, you know, giving those new features and extensions to the community to integrate in the protocol. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
And encryption. RCS does not have end to end encryption, iMessage does (I think they even were one of the first major messengers to use it).
And yes, I know about googles extension for RCS that adds encryption. But that’s googles proprietary, closed source feature, and only works with googles servers. It has nothing to do with a standard any client can use / implement. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
„Only outside of the US“ is like 95% of the world though.
So it’s more like „only inside the US“. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
I don’t know anyone over 40 not using WhatsApp.
I would guess that’s a highly regional thing. In many countries, WhatsApp basically just replaced SMS, so instead of a SMS app, people just open WhatsApp now. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
RCS does not support e2ee.
Google build a proprietary, closed source extension for this, that only works with their own servers, in a try to finally get a mainstream messaging platform they can control.
If they really cared about RCS being secure, they would have worked with the GSMA to make it part of the specification. Not their own secret add-on. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Why does the iPhone need a reaction control system? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
It's not as if they allow us to use our own OS with out own keys so that it can be trusted. However as far as the device not being trusted there is a handful of zero-day SMS/RCS based exploits over the past couple of years that allow RCE even on unrooted devices, none of which required root to begin with. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Isn’t it encrypted? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
This sounds confused.
You’re no more locked in to a Samsung than apple (I switch between them nearly every purchase), they have high end models that are similarly priced, both have cheaper models, and both want you to buy again (not hold on to the same phone). They both have similar upgrades to their devices each year.
Maybe it’s time to stop caring about these companies like they’re political sides or sports teams? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
He didn't say it was "relatively easy" to code all the integration. He said it was relatively easy to use. Good backstory, but weird to frame it like you're lecturing the guy for making misstatements. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Well yeah, but you were right in the first place. It all was relatively easy. This guy's coding story doesn't contradict that. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Terrible waste of recourses. 15 years using iPhones and I have never had to message someone more than once that used an android. Fuck em. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
Yeah. The important word was "relatively". I'm sure that it was difficult, especially for 1999 levels of programming, but compared to what that would involve today...? Hoo-boy. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
So is Signal or veracrypt, which are open source. Good encryption is not the kind of security requiring a controlled enclosed environment.
The security risk here is that maybe being rooted, you could run malicious code which could keylog you or something like that. But I see no reason why a messaging service should stop working.
(As usual, I'll be happy to be shown wrong) | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
More people need to think like you. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
And Apple will not be supporting that RCS, thankfully. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-11-06 |
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