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Let's try this one more time, real slow:
Commenting on *an actual discussion about the topic* - ok.
Bringing up your stupid cause at the workplace where people just want to do their 9-5 and go home - stupid.
It's like politics. Go to all the Biden or Trump rallies you want, but i don't need to know who you're voting for and how the other guy will "destroy the country" at work, stfu and do your job. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Budapest Memorandum, Minsk I, Minsk II...
But sure, the FOURTH time, Putin will totally honor his word... | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
This is a deal for annexation of Ukrainian lands with no security guarantees, meaning there will be a future invasion.
This deal signals that Putin isn't in a good spot. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
There are some protests of Putin in Russia too. Didn’t stop him winning 110% of the vote last election though | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
If you think it's a war they can't win, then you clearly aren't paying attention.
Just because the Soviet Union was considered a superpower does not mean that the declining, degrading Russia we see today is the same entity. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
in other words: "give us everything we want now and maybe we'll consider your position during the actual peace talks." | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Can we get Elton to change his lyrics? Fart in the wind is way better | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
First, no. Ukraine isn’t giving you the land you stole. They’ll fight to take it back. Second, who the hell would believe Putin’s ceasefire agreement anyway | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Putin asks for ceasefires when they can't hold what they've stolen, and need time to regroup and fortify.
I'd look at the list of what he wants to keep and consider weaknesses in each. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
No. Russia withdrawals completely out of Ukraine. Pays reparations to Ukraine. Then arrests its leadership and turns them over to The Hague including Putin. In exchange Ukraine lets Russia keep Moscow. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
there are conditions under which the president can end his term and none of these conditions match, so you continue to lie
The actions of usa politicians were direct also; there were in-person visits with US politicians and maidan opposition | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yeah, sure, and we’re just supposed to believe you when you say you’ll stop, Putin.
Fuck right off. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
So, they agreed to nothing, then. Enjoy 1.9B worth of hot death, dipshit. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Russia invaded once. Then they supported and armed insurgents in eastern Ukraine. Then they sent soldiers to train and fight with them. After that failed they launched an invasion on the rest of the country.
Russia has been playing the long game for a decade at this point. If they are allowed to take more land it will just push Russia's border forward. They will be allowed to fortify that position and use it to launch attacks in the next year or two. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
* Stop attacking you for now.
You forgot that little bit. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yeah. I'll tell you why. Ukraine is about to get jets. A lot of them. This is the real reason. They lasted so long those fighter pilots are training or about done and a bunch of those French planes which are not just a little better but a generation and change better than russia's garbage planes and then tomcats will be there, about 6-12 months. They will lose the ability to hammer Ukrainian cities as they have been and risk losing a likely aging fleet. They will need to use their real planes and they wont fare much better id wager. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Somehow I forgot for a second how stupid a political party would be to support and disseminate its country’s main adversary’s bullshit. But you’re 100% right. putin benefits handsomely from providing talking points for his foreign allies to use to upset the order abroad. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Stealing children. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Ukraine should counter offer of a reestablishment of the 2014 borders and a ten kilometer demilitarized zone. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Old man offers to be rewarded as punishment | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
I assume you're talking about Pringles. If so, please tell me you're joking. Oh please. If not, then you yourself don't even have 1/4 of a half brain. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
It would be like someone telling you not to listen to ben shapiro because he’s ugly. That’s correct advice despite faulty supporting logic.
And, to be clear, I don’t really have an opinion on ben shapiro’s appearance. I’m saying there is plenty of evidence to suggest him as a poor source of information because of what comes out of his face, not what it looks like. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
It’s 100% what I expect the theme of his messaging to be after the offer is summarily rejected. It is also incredibly stupid and should be believed by no one yet it will be official Russian policy. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
“We won’t shoot at anyone as long as they’re moving east” | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Hahaha 🤣 sure putin | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
"Putin offered an incredibly fair deal to President Zelensky. But it appears he is more interested in being on TV than helping secure the safety of his people." -Fox News | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
It's all so obvious if you start from Feb 24 2022. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Uncle Putler can suck a leafbag full of dicks. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yeah crazyy | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Would be nice if they also returned all the children they kidnapped. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Either Putin is completely misled or he is literally insane. He truly believes he can negotiate from his current position as if hes strong.. as if he has choices… | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
California has the 4th-largest economy IN THE WORLD.
Any American who would want to “give it away” is a brain-dead MAGA troglodyte. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Putin is aware that he is on the losing streak if this continues but is pretending to come out as the bigger man. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Sounds like a Stephen King plot. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
He's not talking to Ukraine, he's talking to Trump. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
“I’ll stop raping you if you let me fuck you.” | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
It’s the same thing he’s being offering. “We pause this round, go back to our corners of the ring, I keep the occupied parts, and you agree to cut off your leg.” | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Fuck me, isn't that the truth? The GOP passed saying the quiet part out loud like 4 exits back and are now at blatant racism and making stuff up.
Nobody with any amount of character or intelligence can support that party. Sure, you may agree with free market or closed borders. Even be pro life. I disagree, but that's your right to think what you want. But if you're willing to hitch your cart to a bunch of racists, homophobic, liars to further those platforms, then you are objectively a bad person. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
He knows they won’t do this, but believes it’ll make him look like he’s an angel of peace and not a war monger. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Ukraine should make a counter offer, Russia withdraws from all Ukraine terretories incuding Crimea, will pay a total of 2 trillion USD worth of recompence to Ukraine over the course of the next 10 years, and Putin has to sign the peace treaty IN PERSON, at the UN building in New York, wearing a pink unicorn outfit with a sign that says, "I'm an asshole" | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
>it's hilarious.
Thank you. It was something called a "joke." | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
So he's going to stop, provided that they surrender unconditionally. How gracious. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
He is doing it to undermine the efforts of the Swiss peace talks starting today!
„Hey, I am offering peace. But the West wants the war! India, look!“ | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Buddy you gotta give them something or they'll never let it go. This is probably the loss we are going to have to take. I'd also rather throw a vat of acid over the fuckers I'm just being practical. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
>Corruption has nothing to do with this discussion.
Yes it does.
The original assertion implied the war only happened because Ukraine gave up its nuclear ""capability."' Corruption would prevent this from being a capability in the first place—even if someone theoretically figured out how to solve the Moscow-centric infrastructure problem, it wouldn't have been implemented. On top of being corrupt, Ukraine was flat broke (which further drove corruption). Ergo, *because of corruption,* Ukraine was never going to be a nuclear superpower, only a nuclear danger. Therefore, the "West" can't be blamed for taking away its big scawwy war pweventing nukes. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yes, devastated its economy and its population demographics, which will have a permanent and profoundly negative impact on the country as a whole. Are you really trying to argue that his failed invasion and failed war and all the other consequences doesn’t make him a less than smart individual? Do you think it’s working out in his favor? Lol
Europe has already moved on from buying their energy from Russia - where do you get the idea that the west is still going to buy natural gas. Why go back? Only if it’s cheaper and Putin isn’t in power, and if Russia is no longer a threat to Europe. China takes advantage of them economically, they do not “help them out” in the way you’re suggesting. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Lying losing sack of shit. Die. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
That's gonna be a nyet from me, dog. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Someone Kennedy this guy already. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
> So he wants Ukraine to surrender two major oblasts along with their capitals.
Just long enough for Putin to rebuild his military and then he can go in and finish wiping out Ukraine and then on to Poland. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
This is literally not news, he says that constantly. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Besides all of that, "fool me once, shame on you," when Ukraine gave up its nukes at the promise Russia would never invade it, but Russia did anyways and took Crimea away. If Ukraine were to agree to a ceasefire this time, it would be "fool me twice, shame on me," scenario and I don't think Zelensky is that stupid, regardless how the Russian-money compromised American Republican politicians want to push the ceasefire narrative. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Funnily enough a year later his then rivals Shoigu and Gerasimov have been shunted out of the inner circle of Putin, with Shoigu being promoted sideways to the natsec council and Gerasimov not having been physically at the Kremlin for almost a year (many think because he was wounded in a Ukrainian rocket strike that allegedly missed him last year). They weren’t really able to capitalize much on the destruction of Shoigu’s empire. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
"I'll guarantee a ceasefire if you let me win the war I started" | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Has anyone ever told Mr. Putin that he is a dickhead? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yeah, no. He will break that ceasefire and blame it on them. Regardless, it's a terrible deal. Besides Putin looks even weaker trying to do a ceasefire while his country is being bombed and brutalized by ISIS. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
All bullshit so nothing changes | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Riiight, we totally Beleive this...... I mean it's not like you have lied about the reason for attacking Ukraine, that your have destroyed hymar systems (which they haven't) and claim that every thing that is reported by Ukraine is "propaganda and lies"
Honestly I think he knows he is losing and thinks he can keep the land he has if he offers up something like this. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
It has already failed. It failed when they didn’t take Kyiv. In what way can it work out for them at this point? There’s no going back now. Sweden and Finland now in NATO, Ukraine on its way. Europe no longer dependent on Russian energy. The west and people of Ukraine aren’t going to ‘just kinda forget’ the devastation and war crimes. How fuckin thick in the head are you? Lmao. The world can’t go back to previous ‘business as usual’ — it doesn’t exist anymore. There’s been two years of sanctions and isolation. Worst of all, for them, is the destruction of yet another entire generation of the youth, just like in WWII and the revolution before it. They will literally cease to exist as a people and country in the next hundred years, short of mass immigration. He IS a crazy lunatic for the people he’s leading. No one with their country’s best interest in mind would have done the things he’s done. But hey, he and his buddies are billionaires now, so I guess he’s not crazy, right? He’s gonna end up dead with the country in ruins | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Said a bit*h sitting in the Balkans. Come to Russia if you like sucking Putin's dick so much. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
That promise lasted quite long though, over 30 years. I doubt any promise by today's Russia lasts even 5 years. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Drop NATO bid and reocuppy. Sounds like a trap. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Seems fair | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Fuck Putin | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Crazy | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yeah nah | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Remember that time Russia and Ukraine [signed an agreement in 1997 to never invade each other](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian%E2%80%93Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty) if Ukraine gave Russia the nuclear missiles deployed within its borders, but Russia violated the agreement when they invaded Crimea?
Aside from this new offer being a bad deal that incentivizes invasions, why would anyone trust Russia to abide by it? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
As ukrainian here, I'm glad that people actually understand what is going on. Fuck poopoo | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Ceasefire, meaning that he could go ahead and keep going at any moment. Prick | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
"I will pause the robbery. Now disable the alarm system to the other rooms." | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
The conditions you listed were prerequisites to carry out the impeachment procedure, yet if you read the actual law dismissing Yanukovitch, the lawmakers didn't even pretend to impeach him: [https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/en/757-18#Text](https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/en/757-18#Text)
They instead established that he removed himself by fleeing the capital during a time of crisis, and so they only used their constitutional powers to call new elections. That's all they did.
You also didn't answer my question: How could the US be conspiring against Yanukovitch since the politician he thought should get the PM post were also the one Nuland wanted to see in the government ? The only possible answer is that they all were working to solve the crisis and wanted to create a government of national unity. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Translation: We're going to lose if we keep going, so give us some kind of win for no reason and we'll not attack you again until we've given birth to more bodies to throw at you. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Bennett also came out and said his words had been misrepresented, that he felt the chance of a deal was a certain % but the US felt it was lower. Not that any western leader actually scuppered any deal.
Far more likely that western leaders went over as a *response* to the talks going nowhere, to promise military aid so Ukraine wasn't forced to surrender which is all that deal really was. And then Russia spun that into a total lie about the west blocking a peace deal, by just quoting shit totally out of context.
Remember, this was around the same time that aid moved beyond infantry weapons for the first time and Ukraine started getting pledges of western artillery pieces, and heavy equipment including tanks from Soviet era stockpiles in Eastern Europe. Stuff Ukraine needed to continue defending itself - artillery was needed to even stay in the fight at all. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
You're arguing that Russia can't tell the difference between NATO and the EU, when their main enemy, the US, aren't even part of the latter ? Now you're just being ridiculous.
They just saw Ukraine leaving their sphere of influence and acted like the brutal empire they are. If in an alternate universe, Ukraine wanted to join another hypothetical power bloc existing in Europe, centred around Turkey for example, it would've been the same story. None of all this is about Ukraine getting closer to EU/NATO/whatever, it's all about them leaving Russian influence. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Putin is delusional. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Sure thing, would you also like some fries with that? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Did you have a stroke? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
his popularity was really split in half | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Same shit they did 2014, everyone knows what happened later | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
And he is going to be so proud of you for whiteknighting for him when he sees this, hahaha. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
The best possible scenario right now for Ukraine and for the world to avoid a worldwide war is to accept Putin offer, donate those small areas of land and Ukraine can then enter into NATO so Russia no longer can proceed further outside those already occupied areas. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
I am willing to accept a cease fire, if Putin steps down, and pays me 20 million USD a year in perpetuity. Anyone else got some reasonable terms to add? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
What superbowl ring? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Would you rather have the smaller risk now by helping Ukraine; or the larger risk later when Putin decides it's time for the Baltics, Finland, or Poland to return to their status as historical russian territory? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Translation:
> Do all that and we might not finish you off. But we will, anyway. But do that what we ask, war is hard for us too, man. We'll, you know, finish you off later. Gotta keep the face, you know. Shit's been hard. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
So Pootin is getting nervous, trying to broker a peace deal. Now is the time to hit that bastard hard. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
So, if Ukraine surrenders and does exactly what completely losing the war would achieve, then he'd be ok with a ceasefire? No shit Sherlock! | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Not only for domestic. There are countless useful idiots on their side worldwide. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
And those riot police got torched along the highway on the way out back to where they came. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
I'm very disappointed in Putin
I thought he was going to enter the capital in 10 days.
But the Russian army is much weaker than expected. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Oh a Putin pledge, how exciting! And utterly worthless. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
She was very foolish when she gave up her overwhelming power.
All politicians should be executed on charges of high treason. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
You mean Putin? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
You mean like they did in 2014? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Someone worried about Crimea. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Are you claiming that the elections of May 2014 were rigged ? Can you back it up with a source ? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
No ceasefire without a complete and unconditional Russian surrender. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
I’m not cheering for him, but that psychopath is going to win now, and he’s moved ships into Cuba. I think any peace is a good start to peace. But if he fucks around I think the Americans are going to have to just end it quickly and brutally, no diplomatic bullshit just send them and get your defensive capabilities armed. So easy for me as a Canadian to sit here. I shake my head at our current useless government, while the world sits on a razor | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
He’s worried folks. Biden promised 10 years of aid and congressional experts and politicos say it is very bad form for incoming new POTUS to Welch on this type of basic military support handshake agreement of this nature and go far to say that Trump may honor it (forced).
You cannot go long term on a “war economy”. He has lost extremely valuable domestic talent, workers and potential recruits (they’re dead, gravely injured or left the country).
The F-16’s are coming in with full throated NATO support:
“F-16s will add an additional layer of defense to Ukraine’s current air defense artillery systems. Ukraine will likely use its F-16s to intercept inbound Russian cruise missiles and other less-advanced surface-to-air missiles. As a multi-role fighter, the F-16 can also provide air support to Ukrainian ground operations, help deter Russia from gaining control over additional airspace, and help prevent Russian aircraft from conducting close air-support operations along the front lines. “
https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/what-it-takes-fly-f-16-challenges-ukraine
UAF is shooting down Russian jets and recon planes without f-16’s now. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
So… unwinnable | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
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