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I didn't say you merely talked about success you dolt. I said you quickly abandoned the issue of characterizing the people who live under fascist regimes as having picked their leader. The single thing I called you out on to start with. I suppose I can't expect you to keep track of this discussion beyond the last two comments, so what's the point?
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2024-15-06
Great argument, very well thought-out.
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2024-15-06
Well shit! Let’s pretend this didn’t happen
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2024-15-06
You are literally the definition of a useful idiot by thinking Trump (or Biden, for that matter) had any direct say in the creation of these programs. In fact, they just make his narrative of the "deep state" quite a bit more credible.
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2024-15-06
Americans still believe that people in authoritarian countries are being forced in some way. If they looked at history, they would see that authoritarian governments are often very widely supported by their people.
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2024-15-06
And they just let trump do this????
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2024-15-06
K then. Glad you love that pentagon propaganda. Keep spreading them for special interest lobbyists, bub.
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2024-15-06
*“We weren’t looking at this from a public health perspective,” said a senior military officer involved in the program. “We were looking at how we could drag China through the mud.”* Disgusting motherfuckers.
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>I said you quickly abandoned the issue of characterizing the people who live under fascist regimes as having picked their leader. Wtf are you talking about? I literally just reiterated that point, that yes, they did pick those fascist leaders. I never made any claim about them trying to revolt and failing, my point has been that they wanted it to begin with. You're the one constantly trying to muddy the issue.
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2024-15-06
I don't think people should have to disclose their identity but I don't think people should be allowed to just jump from account to account to manufacture and create the appearance of multiple identities or otherwise influence what people get to see. Reddit's upvote system is especially vulnerable to this type of manipulation.
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2024-15-06
Nobody around the world sees the parties as different. Nobody in the US knows the different factions in china, iran, india, turkey, Brazil etc. No afghan cared if it was a democratic bomb or republican bomb that dropped on them.
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2024-15-06
Every country has its issues, at the end of the day it all comes down to greed. Small minority of the country has a lot of money, and power, and wish to do everything they can to maintain it. Pitting Americans vs Americans has been the defacto winning strategy for them. Propaganda is going full blast even here, not just Russia. All politicians are targets for lobbying to erode morality. Many of the poorer counties/states are deliberately underfunded to keep the population stupid and obedient. Boundaries are meticulously drawn out that less votes is needed to win. These people don’t owe any loyalty to their country or anyone in it. Other rich people are their circle and they all basically “citizens of the world” of whatever country is most convenient at the time.
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Just a reminder that de-anonymizing the internet is one of the biggest psyops corporations have been trying to conduct in accordance with the US government for years now.   And yes, I am indeed accusing you of being one of the people paid to push these psyops. And don't say this is ridiculous, given the headline we're commenting under.  Remember when it was taboo to use your real name online? Now you got people pushing for mandatory self reporting. Ridiculous. 
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2024-15-06
/r/thathappened
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2024-15-06
The fucking irony. Holy fuck.
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2024-15-06
Wow... are the fucking flat earthers the Pentagon as well?
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2024-15-06
And Facebook was used as part of this campaign.
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2024-15-06
This kind of activity is evil from start to finish, but let's go overboard. Not a lot of people walked away from Covid looking like they handled it well.
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2024-15-06
I *hate* online disinfo, I wish it were treated like a public health disease or pandemic, but I take it now as a fact of life. This, however, putting people's health directly in danger, that absolutely crosses a line.
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2024-15-06
The poster you’re replying to is talking specifically about the anti-vax campaign. What you’ve quoted from the article is about disinformation in general.
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2024-15-06
It’s hard to discern between Propaganda and legitimate criticism when a lot of Chinese “revolutionary” technology like EVs seem to be mostly glitz and glamor. You see videos from actual Chinese people saying how their cars broke down, or locked itself with them in it and wouldn’t unlock from the inside, they had to wait for a neighbor to pass by and try to open the door from the outside.
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2024-15-06
Chinese EVs are common outside China and I've heard very little negative about them but it's likely only the best EVs are being exported.
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2024-15-06
Because y'all been doing horrible shit like this since long before Trump.
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2024-15-06
Ugh, this disgusting shit is just the type of thing we expect from putin's russia. Biden should seriously consider giving china an official apology for the behaviour of the trump government. I'm really really glad this shit stopped the moment JB found out about it. . It's basically a warcrime commited in a time of peace. It should really carry a prison term for those who "only followed orders"
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2024-15-06
As an Australian all I remember about this is all the coffins they placed in mass graves in New York all under Trumps command. So many people who died that did not need to because of childish leadership. Now you lot want him back…….yeah that is going to go well.
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2024-15-06
How’s CIA misinformation leading to deaths of possibly thousands of Filipinos equivalent to Duterte’s war on drugs? One is the wilful murder of Filipinos by a foreign government and the other is a murder by a nutter.
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2024-15-06
This is so disappointing, Americas. If you want us Filipino to be on your side don't do this. Actions like this  create dictators like Duterte.   Like don't, from a Filipino.
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2024-15-06
They want you looking for drones, the BIRDS are the real enemies.
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2024-15-06
Nah, the context is China was saying COVID came from thr US with its own propaganda. Tit for tat.
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2024-15-06
What people need to realize is that you can't stop this. If you play nice but the other side doesn't, you are screwed. The problem exists on the fundamental level of the universe. The axioms governing the functionality of the reality do not prevent this. Does teleportation exist anywhere in nature? Not that we know of. It might, but we aren't aware of it for now. Does lying, perverting of facts, abuse, and other evil shit to get ahead work in nature? It does. Period. You have a problem with that, write a complain to the universe. You wanna be the good guy while the nature itself lets the opposite party be the bad guy to fuck you over? Be my guest. I'm not saying you should do what this article says that it's being done, but that you shouldn't be surprised by it. It has always happened and unless we find a way to stop this on a physical level, it always will happen in one form or another. Legal laws and societal changes and intellectual progress has altered the way this happens but it never stopped it. Never.
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2024-15-06
So all those international scientific reports saying the vaccine China made was only 60-70% effective were fake and created by the US military? Edit: *reads very long article* No. This was a propaganda campaign by the US military using fake social media accounts to specifically target the Filipino populace in Southeast Asia, as Chinese influence in the Philippines was seen as a bad thing. While they're not sure how far the misinformation spread, it caused severe vaccine hesitation in that country which may have lead to tens of thousands of deaths. That's fucked up.
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2024-15-06
Yea I’m def gonna vote for rfk jr, a skeleton candidate propped up by the Trump campaign and MAGA allies. That’ll work out well ffs
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2024-15-06
So trump did something stupid (shocker) and Biden fixed it (shocker)
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2024-15-06
To the world, America is America no matter who is in charge. We all look like shit heads thanks to him.
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2024-15-06
You want the US to ***subsidize*** vaccines? Looks like you missed this passage in the article: >"Washington’s plan, called Operation Warp Speed, was different. It favored inoculating Americans first, and it placed no restrictions on what pharmaceutical companies could charge developing countries for the remaining vaccines not used by the United States. The deal allowed the companies to “play hardball” with developing countries, forcing them to accept high prices, said Lawrence Gostin, a professor of medicine at Georgetown University who has worked with the World Health Organization."
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2024-15-06
Have you considered that those downvotes are also part of the campaign? It's not just about spreading propaganda, there's also suppression of counterarguments after all.
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2024-15-06
> We have no other proof for any other vector of the virus’ mutation. The fact of Chinese state interference into all investigations of that aspect is certainly cause for concern. China does that normally and it's normal behaviour for them to try not to talk about stuff like it, It's still embarrassing no matter if it came from a lab or a improperly sanitized meat market with bat meat. >To categorically deny that something of the sort is not a probable factor is a fools errand. I have never heard someone deny the lab theory in the last 4 years since the coronavirus hit the world big. The only closest thing I have heard are people saying labs are usually pretty good at dealing with this type of thing. >Then, to switch thinking just after the election to include that theory is highly indicative that there was a disinformation aspect meant to sway us voters from supporting trump in the election. But there wasn't? The amount of people saying covid started in a lab was pretty much the same pre- and post-election. >highly indicative that there was a disinformation aspect meant to sway us voters from supporting trump in the election. I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, even if there was a disinformation campaign Trump isn't related to this. >And I personally don’t see how the term “china virus” is xenophobic. One, because the focus/flex on the tone when most people say it is on the word "china" and not "virus". 2. that's not how we name viruses, and going out of the way to not use its official name to insult a country isn't something normal people do. 3. The Spanish flu started somewhere in Western America. Yet nobody in or ever after ww1 ever called it the "America flu" or the "America virus". If you hear people say a term about a group or a country, and they use it derogatorily, saying "I don't see what's wrong, it's factual" is a great way to test if you are part of the problem.
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2024-16-06
Yes, the deep state is definitely responsible
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2024-16-06
Did people seriously not think that the US had a propaganda campaign against China? The US has probably been the biggest propaganda machine since the cold war. And it's not like they've been subtle about it.
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2024-16-06
I think it’s more they have no idea how deep the propaganda goes.
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2024-16-06
Disagree, but I do think proper education around the levels of government would help. Too many people vote in the federal election when they become eligible and then become disillusioned that nothing changed. There’s significantly more important elections and they don’t understand how to be politically engaged in an effective way. People also need to understand that a federal politician isn’t going to bank their reelection on some people who say they’ll vote for a politician that does x on the internet. People lie on the internet everyday, so if you want to be taken seriously get involved in local level elections so they know you’re actually serious. Otherwise, they’re just thinking about what the majority of voters who will show up for them want. 
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My mistake, depressingly your points make sense.
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Says the guy sitting in a troll farm sucking Putins dick on Reddit all day. Lol Gonna have to put in more effort if you wanna please dear leader shit heel.
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2024-14-06
They literally mirrored your comment.
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2024-14-06
Worms? They died of hunger
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2024-14-06
Cancerous sewage scum like yourself make no impact on this war, your comments on how a Russian soldier should be are entirely useless. Incidentally you also made it clear that Ukrainians are no more then useful tools in your hands, as expected from a ancestry of racists and murderer monsters. Fucking idiot cannot even spell "maimed" and he thinks he can decide anything in this war. HaHaHaHa.
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Safeguard let’s go 🙌🏻
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Well, they defended the Earth from an alien invasion in *Battleship;* that was pretty intense.
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2024-14-06
AP is a shit rag.
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2024-15-06
Thank you for the thorough explanation. So it seems companies only caring about this quarter’s profit targets versus long term health of the company and customer service strikes again. This is a real shame. Plenty of Americans are willing to work and put in an honest days work for an honest days pay….butt the wage having to compete with a person’s bills gets to be a bit overwhelming eventually.
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2024-15-06
Whats your best argument on why the current military age generation and the next should care and risk their lives to go kill enemies so far away?
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2024-15-06
We literally have ICBMs. If we wanted we wouldn’t send a single ship or plane there and just 2 of them and the entire country would be flat. They don’t have defense against ICBMs.
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2024-15-06
You think anybody is stupid enough to start launching ICBMs over guys hiding in the desert? You're dumber than the average worldnews Redditor.
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2024-15-06
Do you not know how to read? I don’t think you do.
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2024-15-06
Was there a divergence somewhere along the way in doctrine? How do you get as far along as the building the damn thing before realizing it's not compatible with the missions you're trying to conduct?
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2024-15-06
Thanks
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Best thing to do with all the sabre rattling that China has bene doing
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2024-14-06
My grandfather was NVA, and my father and uncles fought Khmer Rogues and they have no problem with Americans. My grandpa loved to talk to my mother about buying Ford trucks and bringing American chocolate home. Myself I was US military for 6 years, all of my family was proud of that. For warriors like my grandpa, fighting is normal amongst men and should never get into the way of the new generation. Only cowards dwell on grudges. Look at the Afghan mujahideens, they say that they were bored now that they don't have Americans to fight anymore.
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2024-14-06
I would think they’d want to expand trade and economic ties, rather than defense ties. It’s clearly been shown that our economic relationship with China has had greater influence than our military influence. It’s been shown across the World that economic sanctions have a greater negative impact than military posturing.
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2024-14-06
All this article basically says is that Vietnam’s president wants to get help from the US. There’s no comitment from USA.
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2024-14-06
Russia are visiting them this week.
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There's a whole generation that doesn't know how we got here.
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for sure, but the US has lots of debt already and there're so many war fronts. How long can they hold on until they fold? everyone wants them to be their security, lol.
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2024-14-06
How chi Minh petitioned the US to let them remain independant after helping drive out the Japanese during WW2 with the help of OSS. He quoted Thomas Jefferson and the declaration of Independence as reasons why the US should protect them from French recolonisation. Truman ignored these pleas and wanted all the post-war political matters handled as fast as possible (including leaving the republic of China to fend for itself against the communists) and allowed France to reclaim indochina as a colony. Even after declaring themselves a communist power to gain aid from Soviet union, HCM was still open to relations with the US until his death. Modern day Vietnam is far removed from the communist power that had the worst economy in the world just 30 years ago and today has embraced capitalism and trade, so with improved relations, ho chi minhs dream of American cooperation may finally be coming true.
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2024-14-06
Bruh the Vietnamese are tough as fucking nails. Trust you do not want to invade them for whoever wants to try in the future. You're gonna have a Really bad time.
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Are they saying the same thing? I think you know that these are two very different thinkers. How do you think they’d each finish this sentence? “America provoked China and therefore America should-“ I’d imagine Mearsheimer’s response would be less hostile to American power projection than Chomsky’s, if similarly opposed to how it occurs now.
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That's more a question of numbers. In the case of the Vietnam War the US had them outnumbered too. The loss was purely political. If the US had actually fought all out Vietnam wouldn't have lasted a week.
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> The loss was purely political. "War is the continuation of politics by other means." - Karl Von Clausewitz War and politics are inseparable.
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Not to be pedantic, but the Soviet Union was part of the Allies too.
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2024-15-06
Even in that case it wasn't Vietnam that won, it was the protesters. And mote broadly Capitalism has utterly defeated Communism. Vietnam might nominally be Communist, but check the tags on all your clothes and other household items and you'll see they're working for US corporations now and you'll find plenty of McDonald's and other US brands all over the country.
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2024-15-06
Is this Trump posting? The rambling nature suggest so.
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Vietnam vs. Afghanistan. Who wins?
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2024-15-06
This is the correct take. Vietnam manages to survive, but that's like its only option.
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2024-15-06
Sadly in matters of freedom of thought and expression and human rights, the country is just as bad as China.
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2024-15-06
Who’s invading who though?
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And people forget that China just unilaterally moved the border of Vietnam and stealing part of Vietnam. This is very sore point with the Vietnamese people and one of the reasons that anything Chinese related is detested in Vietnam. The Chinese also recently change the baseline map line that runs through the Gulf of Tonkin claiming extensive areas of the Vietnamese exclusive economic zone. The arrogance and disrespect China has for all countries and International law is palpable So currently in Vietnam China is public enemy No1. All Chinas own fault and doing! I am not surprised that the Vietnam is turning to the USA for better leverage.
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And its widely accepted the Ho Chi Minh was not Vietnamese but a Chinese General. I have not seen credible English Language evidence that supports this claim.
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Saratoga, Yorktown, Trenton, Cowpens, Ticonderoga, Lexington, concord, Bunker Hill, Boston, etc. Quite a few actually
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They're both trying to take over Nepal at the same time.
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don't think China intended to grab any land. They went in simply to mess up Vietnam's ongoing invasion to Laos/Cambodia.
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Don’t poke the Pooh Bear
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And France. Definitely it's own graveyard of empires
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>How many big battles did the US win vs. Britain in the Revolutionary War? Is this a serious question? A lot. The American Patriots lit up British Empire forces across the map. The storming of Fort William and Mary and the Powder Alarm in 1774. The battles of Lexington and Concord, capturing Fort Ticonderoga, the siege of Boston, the battle of Chelsea Creek, the battle of Machias, the capture of the Turtle Bay depot, the battle of Gloucester, the raid on the Manhattan Battery, the siege of Fort St. Jean, the battle of Great Bridge, the Snow Campaign, the battle of Great Cane Break, and the New York Armory raid in 1775. And the battle of Moore's Creek Bridge, the raid of Nassau, the battle of Saint-Pierre in Quebec, the battle of Sullivan's Island, the battle of Gwynn's Island, the battle of Lindley's Fort, the battle of Harlem Heights, the ambush of Geary, and the battle of Trenton in 1776. Then in 1777 the second battle of Trenton, the battle of Princeton, the battle of Millstone, the siege of Fort Stanwix, the battle of Bemis Heights, the battle of Red Bank, and the battle of White Marsh. In 1778 the siege of Boonesborough, the battle of Edgar's Lane, the raids on Unadilla and Onaquaga, and the battle of Kettle Creek. In 1779 the siege of Fort Vincennes, the battle of Chillicothe, the battle of Stony Point, the battle Paulus Hook, the battle of Newtown, the battle of Lake Pontchartrain, and the battle of Baton Rouge. There's more. Do you want me to list them?
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> And people forget that China just unilaterally moved the border of Vietnam and stealing part of Vietnam That seems to be a reoccurring theme with nations that boarder China.
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Good, the Vietnamese are excellent warriors, they will add great strength to our defense strategy in the pacific. They fought against the Chinese before and if I recall correctly, watching the Fog of War about sec of defense McNamara, they are not fans of the Chinese and they more or less kicked their asses before.
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I think you misunderstood China's invasion of Vietnam and might be glorifying Vietnam too much. The Chinese invasion of Vietnam was not about territorial gains but to counter the USSR and Vietnam's ambitions to dominate Southeast Asia. After the Vietnam-US war, Vietnam had the strongest military in Southeast Asia, and the US had left non-communist countries in the region to defend themselves. Vietnam then invaded Cambodia, causing concern in Thailand and Singapore, which led them to clandestinely support the Khmer Rouge. There were reasonable fears that after Cambodia, Vietnam might target Thailand, Malaysia, and Singapore next. Ho Chi Minh's ministers had vocally expressed intentions to spread communism across Southeast Asia. China, worried about being encircled by the USSR, decided to "teach Vietnam a lesson" by invading, aiming to show that the USSR would not commit militarily to help Vietnam. The PLA pulled back their army after Vietnam started withdrawing their elite forces from Cambodia to counter the Chinese invasion. To this day, many Southeast Asian leaders from that era feel grateful to Deng Xiaoping. You can read about this in most Southeast Asian leaders' biographies. Side note: China informed the US before the invasion and the US gave their approval. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War)
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Basically, the US quit the match while way, way ahead in K/D and Objectives, as no cities were conquered by the North while the US was there - but the US got sick of the cost of the "PTW against Zerg forces" game and logged off, leaving it to the South Vietnamese to finish it and they only were able to go a few more rounds before collapsing and getting roflstomped.
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Seeing the current Vietnamese cabinet that decide most reform and law, as a Vietnamese, it worrying really because most are from Ministries of Domestic affairs and Military which isn’t great. And with scandal with a banking firm a few months ago. Thing ain’t great but i will hold my decision later on
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You evacuated tens of thousands but left millions behind. Millions who wanted to go to but cant. You are not in any position to consider what is and is not abandonment. As the victims, only we can decide that, and the large number of south vietnamese decided that you indeed abandoned everyone behind. The US is an unreliable ally to us now. I dont doubt that china is an authoritarian state who treat their citizens like expendable numbers. But as a Vietnamese educated in our communist politics and theirs, and considering historical reasons, unlike the black and white view of reddit, I do believe they will leave us alone as long as we have a government that is friendly to them. The moment we declare an alliance with the US is the moment they make plans for an invasion.
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There seems to be a power struggle going on right now with the new president, and then general secretary is getting really old and will probably retire within a few years, so people are fighting to become his successor. This is bad because as the new people take charge, they feel like their grip on the population is loosened and will seek to tighten it. I expect to see more authoritarianism in the next 5 years
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Hopefully we get another Doi Moi like movement latter on. Back then it broke off the comicon system of economic, hopefully in the future there a change for a more change in politics and free of expression. At least i hope so, just one of almost 100 million people here after all
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Total war id imagine, the way war was fought for like 99.99% of human history.
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