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Where in Finland was that haven’t read anything about it yet? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
It's because one member, Sebastian Lämsä, tried to kill two black kids in Finland this week. He was also responsible for a previous assault with a knife during an attempt to disrupt the publishing of a book on far-right extremists in Finland, and an attack with a pepper spray. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Better get rid of them ASAP, because when russia invades you, we won't help because they exist! | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Shit, I’m often in Kajaani so this is spreading | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
And yet the guy who did the Christchurch massacre [did a tour of radical eastern europe](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-10/christchurch-shooting-far-right-groups-in-ukraine-eastern-europe/10983542) before he did his despicable deed. Not everything is a conspiracy, sometimes things are exactly as they seem - by letting such groups flourish this is the inevitable outcome. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Oh Roger, what alliteration! | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
The USA should look internally… they have their own groups. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
What I posted is not a conspiracy theory....
It's a fact that Russia actively supports these movements throughout the West. Hell they even shelter the Leaders of US groups so that they can continue stressing the ideology in the US while avoiding being prosecuted https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51236915
Use of far-right motorcycle group the Night Wolves to exert influence and for clandestine activity throughout the Balkans and Eastern Europe. They even participated in the seizing of Crimea and likely were used for reconnaissance prior to 2022 invasion.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/20563051231177920
Even Wagner Group throughout its founding and up to today has strong ties to white supremacists groups and neo-nazis.
Russia can't beat NATO in a direct confrontation so they find and train groups like this to create internal strife and clandestine activities. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
As they (far) rightly should. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Anyone who uses imagery reminiscent of that used in Nazi Germany is a good sign they are Nazis. Even things like worship of spartans and crusaders has infected our military at the highest level. If the US is giving funding to Wagner (unlikely) I'd expect that to cease also. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Where? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Okay, now do all of our domestic terrorist nazi groups | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
> For all the comments demanding that certifiably domestic terrorist organizations aren't on this list, they simply can't be on this one.
And let’s keep it that way please. I am also horrified by the rise of far-right terrorism in the US but granting the federal government the power to declare certain domestic groups “terrorists” is a terrible idea, unless you’re comfortable with a future Trump administration declaring everyone they don’t like to be “Antifa Terrorists” | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
I'm not gonna start a reddit argument about January 6th since the entirety of reddit is convinced it was the darkest day in American history, but I'm pretty sure BLM riots had a LOT more terrorism than Jan 6th. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Brought to Germany by fleeing Russian nobles as well | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Is there such thing as life in prison without parole in Finland? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
> life sentence here is 12 years and you can basically halve it with good behaviour
That's actually not true. Life sentence in Finland is for life, but can be paroled by the president. It has become common for the president to parole life sentences after 12 years, but this is not automatic. Also different presidents parole at different rates.
Also there's no halving the penalty for life sentences, ever. That only happens when it's the first conviction and when the sentence is not for life. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Why can’t we designate our own neo-Nazi groups as terrorists? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Well I was wrong then. I will admit my ignorance. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
So do you think January 6 was warfare rather than terrorism? They weren’t trying to scare people, they were trying to actually overturn the election.
I don’t see much of a difference really; one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. There’s no objective difference. The American Revolution started with freedom fighters/terrorists. The one distinction I guess you can make is that terrorists targeting civilians are worse than terrorists targeting government institutions. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
I don’t think the quantity is the only thing that matters though. January 6 was bad because it represents the very real potential for an end of democracy. And I think democracy is very good, and it would be an incredible loss to see it slip away in favor of authoritarianism. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yeah, he'd probably be welcomed with open arms (by prisoners and guards alike) if he were going to prison in certain parts of the US... | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Okay buddy, here's my hot take: January 6th was much more of a PR opportunity for Democrats than it was a representation of "the very real potential for an end of democracy".
Come the hell on, this isn't Prague in the 1600s, you don't have a political revolution by a bunch of people walking into a building and throwing people outside of a window or by sitting on a fancy chair and proclaiming yourself king. Nothing that happened that day with those MAGA idiots LARPing as political revolutionaries could have changed the outcome of the election.
There was no democracy threatened by authoritarianism on that day. Funnily enough, the people who were there and participated believe the Democrats are the authoritarians. But that's beside the point. I'll be eager for the elections this year so I can watch from an ocean away as the anti-MAGA crowd probably end up doing the same if not worse than J6. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Chances for fun time is high. Finland’s prison system is more like vacationing at a resort. [https://youtu.be/l554kV12Wuo?si=uiwivPgoNjYzVxeQ](https://youtu.be/l554kV12Wuo?si=uiwivPgoNjYzVxeQ) | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Umm, this guy isn’t going to any open prison lol
Did you think all criminals in Finland are in those minimum security prisons? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
There is no maximum length of imprisonment for life sentence. However, when at least 12 years have passed the prisoner can be released on parole, depending on how dangerous they are.
So, it's possible to be actually imprisoned for life. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
There is actually a 2022 article talking about this exact group, and why the Biden administration should do what it just did.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/07/is-biden-ignoring-tool-combat-violent-extremists-00005674
To answer you question though, is that there just isn't a legal mechanism to designate domestic groups as terrorists. As I understand it they would need a bill passed by congress to be able to do something like that. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
How about the ones who marched on the capitol building in Missouri last week, complete with coward masks and a Nazi flag? Why do US Nazis get a pass? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
I think it was insurrection, rather than terrorism. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
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You don’t see that Israel’s reputation in the world is taking a serious hit? Not saying that it is deserved, just telling you what’s going on | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
those people tend to have a specific idea of what "justice" would entail if it involves israel, and it certainly doesnt match any sane humans idea of justice. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
>pay for slay
Do we need stupid cutesy slogans for these sorts of things | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
One is an islamist terrorist group. The other is a socialist hypernationalist terrorist group.
They are different, but equally shitty | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
2006-roughly the last time they had the capacity to exart control. Coincidentally, it matches quite closely on the timeline with the end of the bloodiest terrorism campaigns they waged(2nd intifada). The correlation between fatah power and influence, and terrorism waged by fatah affiliated individuals is a clear one. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
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My heart breaks. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Form a gang… | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
and let's just assume that a government that grants itself the power to arrest and permanently imprison people with zero judicial oversight or legal recourse would never, ever abuse that power to suppress its political opponents and stay in power.
seems like a reasonable assumption since this is latin america, where that kind of corruption just doesn't happen. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Tattoo - Jail.
No Tattoo - Also Jail. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
The solitairy confinement there is just a slab of stone to sleep on. That's a start. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Even the US rental market in some cities look like shit, compared to Nordic prison cells | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
You treat them like wild animals not humans. You tell then where to stand, what to dress, what to eat, when to sleep, who to talk to, what they do with their time. You isolate them from the oustide world and make seeing daylight a privelege. If they dont obey, then you punish them severely.
Your average household dog has more rights then these men. For the things these guys have done though, they are animals and deserve to be treated like such. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
The deserve that treatment and probably worse | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
That’s not going to end well | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Ah, every poor Americans dream, being sent to a Nordic prison. And that's not entirely a joke. During the last housing crisis, I researched how much it would cost an American to go to a Nordic prison as part of a satirical article on said housing crisis. It was one of several creative ideas to solve your housing needs. IIRC, it was around $600 for a one-way ticket at the time. Add another $80 if you don't already have a passport.
The problem was the fact that the countries with nice prisons typically deal with foreign criminals by deporting them as soon as possible and banning them from ever coming back. You'd have to commit a pretty serious crime with actual victims to get sent to a Nordic prison as a foreigner.
So while the monetary cost was relatively low, the moral cost was (hopefully) high for most. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
That just means have better security. But yeah tradition being the main reason will be their downfall.
And good riddance. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yes, prison should not be a fun place to be. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
big pharma can use them to trial new medicine..at least make them useful | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
almost everyone I saw in those pics had very prominent MS13 tattoos
they sure make it easy to get rounded up | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
As I say. It matters more than you think. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yo wtf? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
In isolation this is a good makeshift solution but I worry about long term consequences.
1) do they have a plan for rehabilitation? Or do they plan on keeping these guys locked up for the rest of their lives? I bet many of these gang members have families and kids too - a bunch of gang members' kids growing up fatherless without some support from the state doesn't sound great
2) bukele is becoming increasingly authoritarian and the country is backsliding significantly in its democracy. We've seen the story of an initially popular dictator turn into a despot decades down the line so many times. the government has already identified gang members as public enemy number one and created procedures and institutions to perform mass arrests. Who's to say they won't invoke this against protestors or political dissidents? They'll just say these people are "gang sympathisers" or something. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
That photo makes it look like El Salvador is where they're filming Human Centipede 4 | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
You appear to be hardwired to blindly hate anything you can compare to a “dictatorship”, even if it’s massively positive for the lives of El Salvadorians.
Maybe consider that “liberal democracy” doesn’t work for the vast majority of nations, especially those which lack physical and/or economic security. It even appears to be failing in most Western nations lately.
Instead of attempting to apply some “best form of government” to every country, you should acknowledge that you have to be pragmatic about each country’s needs first. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Why? He would be released in 10-12 months again 🤣 | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Im not shitting on dictatorship, its just another form of government. if anything, I am a avid disbeliever of democracy, everyone having equal say is a fking stupid ass premise.
The issue with dictatorship is that all it takes is 1 bad successor to fuk everything up. You can have a authoritative government and not have a single point of failure. How much power is concentrated matters.
And the problem with El Salvador especially is that its not a dictatorship, its semi/roughly democratic, but the current legislation is setting up questionable precedents. For example: the 2 term thing.
Even if everything is set for benevolence, power attracts, this is why the saying goes: Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. How it goes from here, only time will tell. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
All gang members are forced to get a gang tattoo. No normal citizen gets any kind of tattoo in El Salvador, I saw a dude with big MS13 or 18 on this whole back. You are doing the classic west bullshit, complaining about the situation without providing no solution. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
> Last time they did that, the guards were ordered to leave and many prisoners burned to death by the same fire they started.
Leopards ate my face moment | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
To be fair, no one expects that the reported umbers for China are real. There is no transparency from the government. As far as I believe, these numbers are made up to make china look good. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Let's say China does incarcerate more than the US. It still wouldn't make the US quantity small. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
You're acting like gangs can't adapt. A widespread event like this can 100% lead to gangs changing the requirement. Otherwise, they definitely get locked up. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Unfortunately, people don't think that far ahead. They only focus on the short term. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
the problem is actually left wing media. we had a historic drop in crime now cause we had a historic rise in crime post blm when we decided to get extremely lax with crime and criminals became emboldened.
We still actually have the same or more (I think more crime) than before blm. Left wing media makes you think being lax on crime made things better but no, lax on crime was directly post blm.
Now is actually when weve started to get tougher on crime again and the crime rates are now dropping rapidly.
Everything I've said about crime rates and when we were tough/lax on crime are fact. Look it up yourself. The left wing media just isn't sharing with you preblm data and what I just told you is too much thinking for the average American so media just doesn't go into it, | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
These prisons remind me of Pandora with all the bandits and whatnot. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Splendid work! | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Even Australian rentals look like hell compare to a Nordic prison | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Just wait. If Trump gets elected he’s talking about mass deportation camps for 11 million people and rapid execution for drug crimes.
It’s going to be very ugly. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
> likely just young men with tatoos who were in the wrong place at the wrong time
No one *just happens* to innocently have MS-13 tattoos. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Right, I’m sure there is not a single innocent person who got swept up in that roundup and is now forced to live in a terrible megaprison.
And if there is, well that’s the price we pay for safety. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Holy fuck this is a brain dead take.
First off, I’m a Westerner and I live in fear that the next time I go to a grocery store, or a movie theater, or to school that I’ll be the victim of a mass shooter.
Second, are you so dense that you don’t think people should get their day in court and then be treated humanely? There is zero doubt in my mind that there are more than a few wrongfully imprisoned Salvadorians who are now forced to exist in prison with actual dangerous people.
But hey, your sacrifice is one I’m willing to pay for the price of safety right? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Fortunately, I don't mind downvotes. But, yeah 50% is not the right number for pure innocence, though it might be about right for the proportion that could be convicted under actual decent due process standards. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
So first off I didnt say that, so neat strawman.... but I'll play your idiot game and take you at face value.
So in your view having a certain tatoo is a valid reason for indefinite detention without trial? | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
You can't just throw 10s of thousands of people in prison without process and not make some mistakes.
I understand it may be important for you to beleive what you do, but please when you grow up and have the time for reflection, consider why the civilizated world has such high standards for criminal conviction and incarceration. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Why would you do crime if you live in Norway. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Since the year 2015, El Salvador has reduced its homicide rate by over 97%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_El_Salvador | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Can you stop with the hijabs? Especially if you live in the west. Let women do what they want to do, and no you’re not their savior by banning it, because not all of it is imposed. Delusional. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
The racism is crazy. Imagine saying that about a Catholic convert with a cross. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Was just there and it seemed like one of the safest places I’ve been in a long time. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
This is so dramatic, you barely see gun violence in these areas. Barely even any murders. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
That place sounds like actual hell. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
the number of innocent people swept up is likely astronomically lower than the number of innocent people who's lives would have been ended or hurt by the gangs had El Salvador not gotten as tough as they did on crime.
there is nothing perfect in this world. you need to choose the option that hurts innocents the least. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
That can be said of any judicial system. The American one too. There are always cases of exonerated convicts.
What is your issue here? That doing these mass incarnations may cause an innocent man to go to jail?
Are you saying they should find a better approach?
Are you just lamenting the fact?
It’s easy to be moral when you grow up in conform. Reflection is for times of peace not war.
El Salvador is at war.
Like I pointed out before. No civilian gets tattoos. The chance of jailing an innocent men are nil. There isn’t some 9-5 civilian sitting there with the dogs. Even if there was, shit happens when in war. Civilian casualties are inevitable, the peace that was brought by this policy was god sent. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Mandatory death sentence for even marijuana trafficking. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
People certainly got arrested as part of the protests and that could contribute to a temp rise in crime numbers that wouldn't have happened otherwise. However, there is no proof that criminals decided to commit more violent crime specifically because of BLM.
Plenty of people on both sides believe crime is a big issue right now. The stats (rising or falling) don't really matter because of there's still crome and you can always want it to be lower. However, your post is literally the first time I've ever seen it tied to BLM and when I went looking for it all I found was racist right wing nonsense so you'll have to excuse me when you spout that bullshit. Then you claim the pandemic didn't cause societisl issues... more bullshit. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
I gotta agree with you, I value my own life a lot | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
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> On Thursday (13) night, many Brazilian cities saw feminist protests against Bill 1904/2024, dubbed the Child Pregnancy Bill, which equates abortion to homicide. It provides for 20 years of incarceration for people that make abortions after 22 weeks of pregnancy, a situation mainly seen among girls who were sexually abused.
Good for them, this Bill is horrific | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
8 months 29 days? Just a thought experiment.
I’m generally pro abortion too. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
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Vladimir Putin has been in charge of Russia since 1999. I don't see you asking for sympathy for all the Russians affected by sanctions because they never really had a choice of who would rule them. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Yeah we should only get our news from sources without a stake like jpost and fox. All other networks are bias and should be boycotted. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
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This story has major Dr Mantis Toboggan dropping his magnum condoms for his monster dong and wad of 100s in front of a lady vibes | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
What China consider it as secret might be not so secret in the west but then China will not tell us so it remain a secret. :P | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
I'm gonna stick to stalking. | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
Average war thunder player... | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
You should see him feast | r/worldnews | comment | r/worldnews | 2024-15-06 |
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