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Does a bear crap in the woods?
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This asshole had such disregard for safety, if there's one guy that deserved to be in that carbonhull coffin, it was this guy. "You're remembered for the rules you break" -Stockton Rush
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2024-11-06
Its kinda weird to say, but I'm glad they ended up imploded. While the search was going on and nobody knew what happened to them, there was the possibility that they got stuck down there with no means to surface. I think that'd be a worse way to go. I was actually feeling pretty anxious during the search, imagining them stuck down there suffocating in a tiny tube in the dark. The implosion was probably so fast they didn't feel anything.
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2024-11-06
“on your port side you will see sone red mist and carbon fiber debris”
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2024-11-06
I like that you're comment starts with the author's name. I'm not a comment creator, so I don't really have any skin in the game, but have noticed that a good chunk of what I consume is anonymous due to omission. I hate it.
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2024-11-06
The crazy thing is that it had made the trip before many times, but they kept tempting fate since the material is not made to keep using over and over like that.
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2024-11-06
That is what baffles me the most. The billionaire could have "rented" time with Robert Ballard or James Cameron on tested and proven deep sea submersibles but decided to go with the one that people kept saying was sketchy.
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2024-11-06
That sounds like a bit of a conspiracy. I would say that the acoustic sensor capabilities were highly classified, as anything related to ballistic missiles submarines and anti-submarine warfare tends to be. Ballistic missiles subs each contain enough firepower to wipe out a medium sized country. Everything tangential to that is highly classified and likely took time to approve declassification so that rescue teams could be informed of what they heard and interpreted. A potential adversary could learn a lot about the capabilities this way.
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2024-11-06
People barely know how to use the email,not everyone knew fiber hull was a no go, and people like me thought "well they must have found a way if they're so sure about it",innovation can always happen,so yeah, the world was shocked, especially since noone knew how many shenanigans were done and how many safety protocol have been ignored. You expect that if you're gonna dive to such depth,the people that are piloting it(especially if it's the CEO) would do their best to not die in one of the most horrible way:crushed,drowned,or both.
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2024-11-06
Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same… just to show them.
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2024-11-06
it really is a crazy story of hubris and deceit, I can't wait for the movie about it
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2024-11-06
No one other than the press thought that.
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2024-11-06
"TITIAN system: Trash all safety precautions.  Invite billionaires.  Take lots of money.  Avoid success.  Night night in a watery grave." 
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2024-11-06
They had the number of life boats the experts said they had to have .
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2024-11-06
Though it’s historically inaccurate to say they did this out of hubris. The Titanic met the standards at the time for number of lifeboats. During the sinking, there was miscommunication about whether it was women and children first, or preferred, so a lot of lifeboats were launched at partial capacity.
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2024-11-06
Ie what everyone would have done at the time
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2024-11-06
The Titanic was far safer than any of its contemporary ships. “Unsinkable” was a bit of a stretch, but you can hardly advertise a ship as “maybe possibly but unlikely to sink”. I don’t think anyone at the time truly believed a ship was unsinkable, as much as we don’t believe in unsinkable ships today, and people didn’t believe in that before the Titanic. 
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2024-11-06
I'm not even an engineer and I know that carbon fiber is known for tensile strength and not compressive strength.
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2024-11-06
Unfortunately, he couldn't break the laws of physics.
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2024-11-06
> I'm not a comment creator ... Should we tell them?
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2024-11-06
If the information is being shared with Cameron it’s not classified to any significant level.
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2024-11-06
One of them was just more dense than the other.
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2024-11-06
Had heard an interesting podcast talking about a bunch of this stuff (I think they were interviewing the host of The Rest is History) and from the sounds of it the single biggest mistake the Titanic made was trying to avoid the iceberg. If they had hit the thing dead on the ship would have been dead in the water but it would still be floating. That's also why they didn't have many lifeboats. The lifeboats weren't intended to get off a sinking ship because the ship actually was pretty much unsinkable. The lifeboats were supposed to be used to shuttle people from the Titanic to the rescue ships.
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2024-11-06
Exactly. Titanic was designed very well for a certain kind of accident, just not the one she suffered. In the nuclear industry (and probably others), this would be known as a beyond-design-basis accident. 
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Apparently there were never supposed to be enough lifeboats for everyone because the lifeboats were supposed to be used as shuttles in an emergency. The way the Titanic was designed it actually was supposed to be unsinkable. In the event of an accident it wasn't too hard to immobilize it, but it would stay floating. Then you just have to wait for a rescue ship to show up and start moving people over to it. The problem is when they tried to avoid the iceberg they sideswiped it which completely ruined the safety measures that were in place. If they had hit it dead on it likely wouldn't have sunk.
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Don't run into an iceberg.
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2024-11-06
It's the poster child accident for Murphy's law. There are a thousand ways it could have hit, just so happens the first one was the one way it couldn't survive. I'm not even sure some modern ships would survive that
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My link was purely in response to u/cmfarsight in regards to "what did the titanic ignore?". While the Ship hit an iceberg and the iceberg sunk it the belief on why the ship was at that rate of speed to begin with is to empty the burning coal bunker they had to put the burning coal somewhere so straight into the boiler. By the time the ship hit the iceberg it was going at an incredible rate of speed, the bunkers were empty and the steel had lost an estimated strength of 75%. >In his documentary, Molony claims the fire heated the [hull bulkheads](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulkhead_(partition)) up to 1,000 degrees Celsius (1,832 degrees Fahrenheit), which meant they stood no chance against an onrushing block of ice. >"We have metallurgy experts telling us that when you get that level of temperature against steel it makes it brittle, and reduces its strength by up to 75 percent," [Molony told *The Times*](http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/iceberg-absolved-fire-may-have-sunk-titanic-tp3g8fmr0). [Article from 2008 that delves more into the testimony from crew](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/titanic-doomed-by-fire-raging-below-decks-says-new-theory-808472.html)
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What tf kind of article is this? It looks like a giant ad on mobile, I can’t tell what’s story and what’s an ad.
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I both read the article and considered what you said. It’s a pleasure, in this instance, to end the conversation respectfully agreeing to disagree.
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2024-11-06
Coal fire as in coal that was being stored for use was on fire. Not the actual furnace the coal was being burned in to power the boat…
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2024-11-06
No, not using iron was the problem.
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2024-11-06
Thanks. I didn't want to read this obvious clickbait drivel now that wired has turned full tabloid along with all of the rest...
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2024-11-06
Oh COUNTLESS people told him, he just didn't listen
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2024-11-06
Ehhh not very good optics….thats sorta like Costanza trying to get compensation from the hospital for his car after it got smashed by the suicidal escapee. George was justified but, it’s not a good look lol
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2024-11-06
Shocked but not surprised
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2024-11-06
Holmes is a tale about if your a women in tech you can just have money thrown at you without having any actual business ideas.
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They cut costs went with a Logitech knockoff the kind you give to an extra player you want at a handicap.
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This part really stood out to me (among many warnings that this wasn’t safe): > David Lochridge, who oversaw marine operations at the company and who needed to sign off on the transfer, became convinced that Titan was unsafe. In January 2018, Lochridge sent Rush a quality-control inspection report detailing 27 issues with the vehicle, from questionable O-ring seals on the domes and missing bolts to flammable materials and more concerns about its carbon-fiber hull. Rush fired him the next day. (Although Lochridge later made a whistleblower report to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration about Titan, Rush sued him for breach of contract. The settlement of that lawsuit resulted in Lochridge dropping his complaint, paying OceanGate nearly $10,000, and signing an NDA. Lochridge did not respond to WIRED.) Infuriating.
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2024-11-06
Imagine your entire life riding on a MadCatz controller…
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2024-11-06
This is exactly why they say it's common for CEOs or higher ups to be sociopaths or worse, because the system rewards that type of behaviour
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One was irony the other is more titanium/carbony
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2024-11-06
Recover what? They'd all be dust..
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I thought being a whistleblower protected you from this kind of thing?  I mean I, know countless whistleblowers get, absolutely raked and that's why they don't come forward, but what a stupid system we have.
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To be fair, the controller was probably the most reliable piece of equipment on that submarine
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I did, but thought it was AAA…? We’ve got both on board, right?
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They couldn't say with 100% certainty that the implosion noise they picked up was the Titan (though everyone in-the-know was probably 99.9% sure), and didn't want to dash the hopes of the surviving family. No one wants to be "that guy."
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The title is OBVIOUS clickbait. So, right from the get go. And, yes, Wired has turned into clickbait over the last couple of years too.
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2024-11-06
Lol "baseless" cries. Nothing baseless about them
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2024-12-06
I really want to see a documentary about this.
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2024-12-06
“Unless the rules apply to the safety of others” -the rest of the world
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Also, after the Titanic the panic rush to increase lifeboat capacity [ended up killing 844 after one now overloaded ship capsized in port.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Eastland)
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Mir, that Cameron used for the majority of his Titanic dives held 3 people
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Mir, that Cameron used for the majority of his Titanic dives held 3 people.
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2024-12-06
"Shocked." No, it made the world laugh. I remember so many jokes being made about the guy.
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I mean at least use PS5 controller for steering, this guy is cutting corners
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Because it was wireless and if you run out of battery during your journey you are fucked, especially with the redundancy available
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You mean the submersibles where there are only 2 in existence, with both being decommissioned and owned by the Russian government? I hope you understand that both of these submersibles were not available for western billionaires to go on a trip to the Titanic, right? The last time either of the 2 submersibles were used was in 2011, so not a viable option. I specifically said submersibles that James Cameron “uses”, not “used”.
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The article starts with Stockton Rush fashioning himself as Elon Musk of the deep sea. The hubris...
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Rush cut every possible corner, refused to spend money on the project and ignored at least 40 expert engineers, scientists and academicians in a quest to be the musk of the sea (not something to be proud of). Was anyone less surprised than me?
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2024-12-06
Pretty much. It's new details about how arrogant this guy was, but completely in line with everything we already knew about him.
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2024-13-06
How in the world is OceanGate the victim in this scenario?
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2024-15-06
This is exactly the sort of thing NDAs tend to be used for: protecting the interests of the wealthy. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.
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2024-15-06
Definitely not. He witnessed the multiple implosions of their pressure tests. I think he just didn’t believe it would implode this soon, or that he would have enough warning of the composite delaminating beforehand.
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2024-15-06
Bro, the ethical violation here was all on Stockton Rush / OceanGate. Lochridge did his best to prevent it, and reluctantly caved to serious legal threats that could have deported him and his family.
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Also, the information was classified at the time. And the rescue authorities had both a legal and moral obligation to continue the search.
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Also, the information was classified at the time. And the rescue authorities had both a legal and moral obligation to continue the search.
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> My point is that if Cameron was passed the information it wasn’t considered highly sensitive. That just means that someone decided to share it, not that it wasn’t classified. It’s worth noting that Cameron did not publicise this information before it had been officially disclosed.
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2024-15-06
He’s likely spoken to investigators. His attempts to blow the whistle are already known, maybe he does not see any value in doing an interview with media organisations.
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2024-15-06
> At the point it’s reported to the Incident Commander it’s already changed classification level. Not according to the source I linked. Where’s your source?
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Making poor people even poorer
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Look guys, you don’t *need* to use Apple Pay. I never have. It’s something you sign up for. I am getting tired of all the “oh, what about the poor people!” comments. Are they adults or not? Do the have the cash to afford an iPhone in the first place? Should we ban them from credit cards too? Side note, if you are poor, paying for things only in cash is probably a good idea. They say that’s the best way to teach children. But *that’s children*.
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2024-11-06
How does Affirm make money on this? AFAIK they don’t charge interest and it doesn’t cost the vendor any extra
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2024-11-06
I mean, recognizing an expense via buy now pay later is no different than recognizing an expense on a credit card. The only difference is that some personal accounting platforms might not connect to them.
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2024-11-06
Nah, due to inflation your money is always worth more now than later. If you always set up stuff on auto pay it’s worth it. Might change my mind if I ever screw it up, but it’s built into the Amazon card so it’s not like I would forget.
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2024-11-06
Finance is a risk reward game. To me affirm provides no reward and has some risk, so it doesn’t make sense. It’s a tactic to get people to buy more than they need. Credit cards make sense because they provide benefits in points so I use that and pay it off each month.
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ITT: people who don’t understand what opportunity cost is. If it’s 0% and you have the means to pay it off at any time, why wouldn’t you take the loan? That’s money you can now spend/invest elsewhere.
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Apple Pay is more than just credit cards and loans. I have my debit card in Apple Pay and use it all the damn time. It’s a pretty safe way to do it since each transaction is a one-time transaction number and never uses your actual number.
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You say that like it's a good thing. Financing luxury purchases is one of the worst financial moves a person can make. If you can afford to pay for it now, pay for it now. If you can't, don't buy it.
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Yeah but he's not wrong. If you're getting 0 percent interest it makes sense to finance it and make the minimum payments because inflation will make your 300 dollar watch cost the equivalent of somewhere around 295 dollars over the lifetime of a 2 year financing plan. You just need to be incredibly disciplined with your money and make sure you don't get hit by too much subscription affliction.
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Brotha getting slaughtered with down votes but is 100% correct…. Bunch of financially illiterate redditors.
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These still aren't unique to Apply Pay. Neither are rotating categories. I mean it's great it's a benefit of Apple Pay, but not specifically an advantage over some other cards. [https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/credit-cards/credit-cards-that-give-instant-rewards](https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/credit-cards/credit-cards-that-give-instant-rewards)
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What does that mouse do that it cost $300? I've got a hard time justifying to myself spending even $100 for a mouse
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No, the point of it is you pay the card off each month. Get the points/cash back, pay off the balance and it is effectively a discount on what you buy
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No, they’re saying to pay in full every month so you get the benefits of using your credit card without paying any interest. Paying your credit card balance in full each month means you avoid interest charges altogether. If you don’t carry a balance, you don’t pay interest.
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> It’s a bad habit Is a very different statement to > You should never
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77mm watch is absolutely enormous lol Did you buy it to backhand someone?
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Hell, I can use my debit card in Apple Pay to get into the foyer of my local branch (debit card acts as a key) and then tap the ATM with my phone. Literally don’t need the physical debit card on me.
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This guy finances.
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Different circles perhaps? Anyone who took a basic finance/accounting class knows time value of money... and to make sure your income exceeds your expenses.
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You’re right, though I won’t argue with anyone that doesn’t understand what you wrote since they should likely just stay away from financing their purchases.
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How convenient that "security changes" involve the necessity of cutting the throat of a competitor
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thunderbird is good alternative
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