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re plus minus stat in article apr sol uvic ca gballent hudson uvic ca writes in article blue cis pitt edu jrmst pitt edu joseph r mcdonald writes jagr has a higher but francis has had more points and take it from an informed observer ronnie francis has had a much better season than jaromir jagr this is not to take anything away from jaro who had a decent year although it didn t live up to the expectations of some bowman tended to overplay francis at times because he is a bowman style player he plays hard at all times doesn t disregard his defensive responsibilities and is a good leader bowman rewarded him be increasing his ice time jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a me first attitude this rubbed bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time throughout the year francis consistently recieved more ice time than jagr althouhg i have never seen stats on this subject i am pretty sure that jagr had more points per minute played that francis when you add to that jagr s better rating i think it becomes evident that jagr had a better season not that francis had a bad one actually what i think has become more evident is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost jagr did not have a better season than francis to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of hockey knowledge save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus minus it is the most misleading hockey stat available until the nhl publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its quality i e is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game is he matched up against the other team s top one or two lines short handed etc i would much rather see the disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications brad brad k gibson internet gibson geop ubc ca dept of geophysics astronomy main mall phone university of british columbia fax vancouver british columbia canada v t z
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re hockey and the hispanic community in article saross starbase spd louisville edu saross starbase spd louisville edu stacey a ross writes in c i s bt odin corp sgi com rickc wrigley corp sgi com richard casares writes you ll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that can t play it on account of availability or financial reasons hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off what white yes well off definitely not hockey season ticket owners have the lowest average income of any of the four major north american sports do you have a basis for this claim try these stats taken from playboy magazine june percentage of pro football fans who have attended college percentage of pro baseball fans who have attended college percentage of pro basketball fans who have attended college percentage of pro hockey fans who have attended college percentage of pro football fans who earn more than k percentage of pro baseball fans who make more than k percentage of pro basketball fans who make more than k percentage of pro hackey fans who make more than k and think of where the majority of hockey players come from from a farm out in boondock saskatchewan or weedville alberta the biggest advantage that kids from boondock or weedville have is the availability of ice in the san jose area we have a population of and that population is served by ice arenas in contrast kamloops british columbia has a population of about and has rinks there are also myriad ponds pools etc that freeze in the winter down here it s hard to find a kid without a bicycle up there it s hard to find a kid without a pair of skates and before you say what does he know he s from california let me say that i was born and raised in trail british columbia a town of about with lots of ice in the winter my father did radio play by play for the local team the trail smokeaters who by the way were the last canadian team to win the world championship back in i was on skates almost as soon as i could walk and have been playing recreational hockey for about years when was the last time you saw a hockey league in the inner city the insurance alone is a big enough barrier the inner city isn t the only place that is poor i think the biggest barrier to hockey in the inner city is no ice to play on lack of ice is a big factor but costs is a bigger factor both my kids play for the santa clara valley hockey association and this season which just ended cost me per kid for membership in hockey usa plus per kid for club dues the hockey usa fees cover excess medical insurance and the club dues cover ice time officials trophies etc other areas have similar fees unless the city government subsidises some of the costs as stockton does by the way most ice arenas are located in what could be called the inner city areas eastridge and vallco are exceptions redwood city s rink is in an industrial area on bay rd near berkeley s is near ashby and martin luther king stockton s is in oak park sacramento s is in an older section of downtown i forget the name of the street fresno s is out on the edge of town just west of santa rosa s is a nice rink but it s in an older section of town dublin s is outside of town off most of the rinks are old and expensive to run with huge electric bills and insurance premiums if you want to buy ice time expect to pay around per hour at any of these rinks some of them give you a minute hour for your money others give you a minute hour and include the resurfacing time in the fee alan hepburn a man doesn t know what he knows national semiconductor until he knows what he doesn t know santa clara ca alan berlioz nsc com thomas carlyle
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re octopus in detroit david
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re rumour keenan signs with rangers in article apr news columbia edu gld cunixb cc columbia edu gary l dare writes upi clarinet has just relayed a scoop from the toronto sun or was that star i like the star myself that iron mike keenan has come to an agreement with the new york rangers for next season interestingly this comes the day after the times sports had an editorial about how the rangers need their own pat riley who cares about what happens after next season the rumour was basically everywhere in toronto based on reports that keenan has told both san jose and philadelphia that he was no longer interested in pursuing further negotiations with either team the ranger announcement is supposed to happen tomorrow supposedly the rangers have so many veterans that they had to get a coach with weight and a proven record and whom they know messier respects gerald
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blackhawks win the hawks win jermey roenick scored his th goal and the hawks put the leafs in their place the losers column if the leafs can not even beat the hawks in a match that had little or no meaning i will hate to see them against the wings oh btw i laugh at rm that jerky go hawks jb
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re octopus in detroit harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet writes i was watching the detroit minnesota game last night and thought i saw an octopus on the ice after ysebaert scored to tie the game at two what gives is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in detroit it is a long standing good luck redwing s tradition to throw an octopus on the ice during a stanley cup game they say it dates back to at the olympia when the wings became the st team i think to sweep the cup in games a lot hardet to throw one from joe louis seats than from the old olympia balcony though funniest i ever saw was when some tiger fans threw one on the field during a detroit toronto baseball game i was living in california and the folks i was watching with had never heard of hockey and were incredulous when i recognized the octopus before the camera closeup
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re blackhawks win in apr vax cns edu jbrown vax cns muskingum edu writes the hawks win jermey roenick scored his th goal and the hawks put the leafs in their place the losers column if the leafs can not even beat the hawks in a match that had little or no meaning i will hate to see them against the wings oh btw i laugh at rm that jerky i would appreciate it if you would not refer to mr maynard by his initials thanks see you in the norris finals ron and one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about i m getting bored reading the same problems in the paper decade after decade i want people to have to deal with new problems president bill clinton
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re plus minus stat in article qmtd innr l iskut ucs ubc ca gibson nukta geop ubc ca brad gibson writes in article apr sol uvic ca gballent hudson uvic ca writes in article blue cis pitt edu jrmst pitt edu joseph r mcdonald writes jagr has a higher but francis has had more points and take it from an informed observer ronnie francis has had a much better season than jaromir jagr this is not to take anything away from jaro who had a decent year although it didn t live up to the expectations of some bowman tended to overplay francis at times because he is a bowman style player he plays hard at all times doesn t disregard his defensive responsibilities and is a good leader bowman rewarded him be increasing his ice time jagr can be very arrogant and juvenile and display a me first attitude this rubbed bowman the wrong way and caused him to lose some ice time throughout the year francis consistently recieved more ice time than jagr althouhg i have never seen stats on this subject i am pretty sure that jagr had more points per minute played that francis when you add to that jagr s better rating i think it becomes evident that jagr had a better season not that francis had a bad one actually what i think has become more evident is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost jagr did not have a better season than francis to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of hockey knowledge save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus minus it is the most misleading hockey stat available until the nhl publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its quality i e is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game is he matched up against the other team s top one or two lines short handed etc i would much rather see the disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications thank you for posting this as the person who first brought up the fact that jagr has a much higher than francis i can assure you that i brought it up as an example of the absurdity of comparisons even on the same team i never ever thought that anyone would argue that jagr s higher actually reflected better two way play in my opinion francis s low is purely a result of him being asked to play against opponents top scorers at all times the fact that he can chip in points while neutralizing the other team s top center is a testament to how valuable he is even if his suffers on the other hand jagr for how big fast and skilled he is can t even get points no matter how inflated his is by the way don t get me wrong i like jagr he may be a lazy floater but he turns it on at exactly the right times like overtime of playoff games roland dreier dreier math berkeley edu
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re president trophy winner missing playoffs jstrangi hora seas upenn edu jim strangio writes in article apr vm mcgill ca ccdb musica mcgill ca ccdb writes when was the last time a president s trophy winner fell to last place the following year a long time i d bet well i think it in the montreal canadians finished st although there was no president s cup in those days and missed the playoffs in i do recall that the playoff picture wasn t decided until the final day when the ny rangers defeated the redwings the tie breaker was the number of goals for if i remember correctly so the rangers played with an empty net for the entire game some hab loyalists accused the wings of throwing the game to keep them out but as i recall gordie and delvecchio had the flu so coach sid abel sat them out and the rangers swarmed the redwings most of the night
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re octopus in detroit it s in the faq have fun gak richard stueven aha he has erected a multitude of new internet gak wrs com go offices and sent hither swarms attmail attmail gakhaus gak sharx of officers to harass our people cow palace h and eat out their substance
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keenan signs with the rangers just heard on the news that mike keenan formerly of the blackhawks flyers and general of a siberian prison has just signed to coach the rangers the rangers who won the president s cup last year have slipped just a bit at the end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly flyers the flyers fans are going to be disappointed on keenans decision because they were very interested in him oh well go caps connin
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ahl final standings final american hockey league standings northern division w l t pts gf ga lyf providence bruins adirondack red wings capital district isles springfield indians new haven senators southern division w l t pts gf ga lyf binghamton rangers rochester americans utica devils baltimore skipjacks hershey bears hamilton canucks atlantic division w l t pts gf ga lyf st john s maple leafs fredericton canadiens cape breton oilers moncton hawks halifax citadels last year s point total league record total bri farenell farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruins contact for rec sport hockey adirondack red wings calder cup champs clarkson hockey ecac tournament champs glens falls high hockey ny division ii state champs ahl fans join the ahl mailing list ahl news request andrew cmu edu
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devils and islanders tiebreaker if the islanders beat the devils tonight they would finish with identical records who s the lucky team that gets to face the penguins in the opening round also can somebody list the rules for breaking ties
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nhl team in milwaukee after reading some of the reports of possible nhl moves to milwaukee or that milwaukee should have an nhl team i thought i d pass along a story i heard recently this is second hand so i don t know how true it is but i have no reason to doubt it either bradley center in milwaukee is home to the milwaukee admirals minor leauge hockey team the owner of the admirals sorry i can t remember his name either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the bradley center supposedly he was approached by the nhl about an expansion franchise but turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of million was too high like i said i don t know whether this story is true or just a rumor but if it s true don t look for an nhl team in milwaukee anytime soon the admirals aren t going to be forced out of the building and you won t see an nhl club and a minor league club in the same building especially since the nba s milwaukee bucks play there as well charlie betz cray research inc chippewa falls wi cbetz romulus cray com
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re how to beat pittsburgh in article apr guvax acc georgetown edu apanjabi guvax acc georgetown edu writes how to beat pittsburgh iii kevin stevens a fighting call bob probert call tie domi call my grandmother she d kick his ass yeah i ve seen you re grand mother i bet she could joseph stiehm
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re rumour keenan signs with rangers golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca gerald olchowy writes gld cunixb cc columbia edu gary l dare writes the ranger announcement is supposed to happen tomorrow supposedly press conference at pm the rangers have so many veterans that they had to get a coach with weight and a proven record and whom they know messier respects interestingly keenan s co coach or is it his number one on team canada at the world championships is roger neilsen it d be interesting if the rangers call in the balance of neilsen s contract to be keenan s assistant roger did do a very good job with the mediocre players just as he handled the cinderella canucks of years ago but his mistake was playing the rangers like those canucks last may gld je me souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
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re patrick playoffs look like this jan brittenson writes last year the pens weak spot is defense and goaltending if boston boston doesn t have the guns of the pens but the pens doesn t have the defense goaltending and discipline of boston still boston can why do you say this as of now the pens and bruins have played the same number of games and given up the same number of goals they are tied for the third and fourth best defenses in the league behind chicago first and toronto second the pens weak spot is defense only by comparison to their offense which is second in the league to detroit but the pens are no weaker on defense and goaltending than the bruins are that is they are both very strong terry
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re finland sweden vs nhl teams was helsinki stockholm nhl expansion finland d jyrki lumme d teppo numminen d peter ahola well well they don t like our defenders mainly lumme and numminen c jari kurri c christian ruuttu now do you think that ruuttu is only worth i think it might be r teemu selanne compared to kurri selanne s points are too high lets make it or well in the canada cup and world championships largely due to the efforts of markus ketterer the goalie or the players listed above and luck there s presumably a lot of decent players in finland that wouldn t be superstars at the highest level but still valuable role players however my guess would be that the finnish canada cup team would be a team in the nhl wow now it looks like you don t like our players what about guys like nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen and even if he is aging ruotsalainen the main difference between finnish and north american players is that our players tend to be better in the larger rink the canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in europe and i think that there was more in our success than ketterer and luck though they helped i think that the main reason was that the team worked well together howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uuuurgh prostetnic vogon jeltz marko poutiainen mep phoenix oulu fi
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re devils and islanders tiebreaker according to the hockey gurus over at espn should the islanders win tonite the two teams will have the same record but the devils will be playing the penguins this is because the islanders have won the season series against the devils i think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include season series goals against goals for in this order correct me if i m wrong anyone have anything to add craig go islanders
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re octopus in detroit d jaracz oz plymouth edu writes in article dlmqc cunyvm bitnet harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet writes i was watching the detroit minnesota game last night and thought i saw an octopus on the ice after ysebaert scored to tie the game at two what gives no no no it s a squid keep the tradition alive kinda like the fish at unh games actually the way i understand it it is an octapus apparently a number of years ago a fan threw an octapus on the ice and the announcer said octapi will not occupy the ice or something like that and it s happened ever since the fans cheer those who pick up the dead octapus with their hands and boo those who use a shovel matt at uva
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re devils and islanders tiebreaker in article c ldi u odin corp sgi com enolan sharkbite esd sgi com ed nolan writes if the islanders beat the devils tonight they would finish with identical records who s the lucky team that gets to face the penguins in the opening round also can somebody list the rules for breaking ties i am not sure about the tie breaker rules however i think if the islanders win oh god please please let them win the islanders win the series against nj and advances to third of course no one asked me i always interject my opinions on maters i have no concern over go islanders i mean come on the jets were bad enough go jets for
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re plus minus stat in article qmtd innr l iskut ucs ubc ca gibson nukta geop ubc ca brad gibson writes in response to a debate about who has has a better season jagr of francis i think jagr did he probably had a better point per minute ice time stats don t exist to properly analyze this and he had a substancially better actually what i think has become more evident is that you are determined to flaunt your ignorance at all cost jagr did not have a better season than francis to suggest otherwise is an insult to those with a modicum of hockey knowledge save your almost maniacal devotion to the almighty plus minus it is the most misleading hockey stat available until the nhl publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its quality i e is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game is he matched up against the other team s top one or two lines short handed etc i would much rather see the disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications is a useful statistic if a player is on the ice when his team scores a lot of goals and only allows a few goals he must be doing something right it is especially useful to compare between teammates as they play for the same team and should have roughly similar ratings if they are equally good players it can be adjusted with varying degrees of success to compare between players on different teams i agree it would be nice for the nhl to keep more statistics but how useful are the ones that you suggest total ice time would be very useful it is a missing stat in jagr vs francis arguments from before somehow measuring the quality of ice time as you suggest would be useless it would be a better stat for evaluating coaching ie are the players given quality ice time actually their talented ones a very good player could be given low amounts of quality ice time because of team depth or a stupid coach who doesn t recognize his talent and a very bad player could be given lots of quality ice time because of a lack of team depth or a stupid coach that thinks he is an effective player this stat would be much more flawed than and almost no conclusions could be drawn regarding player talent is a useful stat it is quite useful in evaluating player talent you are the one displaying ignorance because of your unwillingness to see that being on the ice when goals are scored but not when they are allowed is a very positive thing and should be evaluated as such gregmeister
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re wc results april in article apr ericsson se etxonss ufsa ericsson se staffan axelsson writes world championships in germany is there any games being shown here in the us from the wc thanks mc
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re abc coverage gerald olchowy writes clement although he has a pleasant personality aggravatingly pleasant in my opinion is a terrible analyst because he is almost alway wrong the prototypical example being new jersey s first goal last sunday i grew up with dick irvin doing color beside danny gallivan i knew did irvin dick irvin was a friend of mine bill clement you aren t any dick irvin as long as the teams involved do not include the us national team or the new york rangers i d take john davidson over bill clement any day personality means something to me that is exactly why i like clement and emrick on the other hand jd is a pompous bull headed arrogant know it all he s a real turn off which is exactly what i do when he s on one complaint i do have about clement is that he sometimes talks too much if i wanted that i d listen to tim mcgarver doing a baseball game mom
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let s go buffalo you know i never really appreciated them before
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re wirtz is a weenie from dean in other tv news the penguins announced yesterday that they will have fewer broadcast tv games and will have games on some sort of subscription pay per view system yuck this is incorrect this year the pens had games on free tv and games on ppv next year they will have games on free tv and on a subscription basis you actually get more free game than last year and there will be no more radio only games yes you re right after going home and reading the paper i got the full details that s what i get for making a post based on wduq s news i should know by now they get just about every sports related item wrong ralph
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don cherry help me out here as a person who has rarely even seen don cherry and doesn t know anything about him i don t know whether it is just this area pittsburgh of the usa that is deprived of his broadcasts or whether he s a canadian thing altogether seriously what is he all about i know he was a coach at one time and from the volume of posts about him someone surely is getting a steady diet of him somehow but my question is what is the deal with him secondly are the comments of his that i read about on the net merely flame bait or do people actually take him seriously i gotta tell you from what i see he really sounds like an ass let me know maybe i m missing something
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new div ncaa teams it was great to hear that umass is bringing back hockey it reminded me that a couple of years ago there was talk that both bimidgi sp and mankato state trying to upgrade their programs to div status i also seem to remember that they had some trouble with new ncaa rule about just who was allowed to compete at the div level was that ever resolved also i was just wondering if there is any college hockey east of colorado alaska excepted with the new popularity of hockey on the west coast i would expect there to be some interest building at the collegiate levels too anyone heard anything james old e mail jold vma cc nd edu
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re truly a sad day for hockey mom writes i fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team left in pittsburgh will be the steelers perish the thought but you know you may be right at least as far as major league professional sports teams go they all seem to be becoming big money games much more so than at any previous time to think that if i am ever able to move back home several years from now all that may be there is an ahl team at best sigh the interesting thing is that the nhl is also expanding at the same time as it is dramatically increasing the amount of money needed to operate a team this would seem to indicate that there s a big shake out about to occur in the next few years unless player salaries can somehow be brought under control frankly i don t see how the nhl s current drive for expansion is supportable under its current operating conditions if revenue sharing and a salary cap don t come into the nhl soon look out steve
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stats for hockey pool i m the keeper of the stats for a family hockey pool and i m looking for daily weekly email servers for playoff stats i ve connected with the servers at j militzok skidmore edu and wilson cs ucf edu i m still sorting these two out are there others email please as my site doesn t get this group thanks rick rick emma panam wimsey bc ca rick emma tfbbs wimsey bc ca
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re nhl team captains quoting cire y trehguad to all cyt michael collingridge writes and while we are on the subject has a captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated cyt cyt wasn t ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to cyt pittsburgh cyt and rick tochett was the captain of the flyers when traded to the pens cyt recently cyt caleb cyt and let us not forget that the new jersey devils traded cyt captain kirk muller for stephen richer and chorske cyt man i hated that trade well as for team captains being traded in there first year in the nhl the edmonton oilers traded their captain ron chiperfield to the quebec nordique right at the trading deadline for goaltender ron lowe in their second year of existence the edmonton oilers again right at the trade deadline traded their captain this time b j mcdonald to the vancouver canucks along with the rights to winger ken berry for garry lariviere and the rights to lars gunner petterson as for more captain trivia the next edmonton captain was lee fogilin who was later traded to the buffalo sabres after him was wayne gretzky who was traded to l a then came kevin low who only this year was traded to the n y rangers so that every captain the edmonton oilers have had has been traded the present captain is craig mctavish and we ll just have to wait and see well talk to you later steve answers short correct dumb looks are still free blue wave qwk v
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re goodbye good riddance get lost stars in article dt b w w sms business uwo ca s lawren sms business uwo ca stephen lawrence writes goodbye minnesota you never earned the right to have an nhl franchise in the first place whatta weird town whatta ass go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd a prism gatech edu
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re nhlpa poll partial stats results all these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at njd they are a very deep team with two very capable goalies and excellent forwards and defensemen shooter in richer an all around do it all in todd chef stasny master of a thousand dishes power play captain stevens take a look at the numbers or play with them and see for yourselves
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detroit playoff tradition way back in the early years s it took wins to garner the stanley cup soooooo a couple of local fish mongers local to the joe louis arena that is started the tradition of throwing an octopi onto the ice with every win after each victory one leg would be severed before the octopus found its way to the ice they are dead by the way it was a brilliant marketing strategy to shore up the demand for one of their least popular products hope this helps j lange
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roger maynard does anyone recieve annoying email from roger maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group these emails are filled with insults more than are usual in roger s posts and have little if any hockey info i have recieved two in the last days i am just wondering if i am special or roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him gregmeister obligatory hockey comment it is highly unlikely that the maple leafs will even get out of their division
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re devils and islanders tiebreaker in article c lfa e murdoch acc virginia edu cal d csissun ee virginia edu craig allen lorie writes according to the hockey gurus over at espn should the islanders win tonite the two teams will have the same record but the devils will be playing the penguins this is because the islanders have won the season series against the devils i think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include season series goals against goals for in this order correct me if i m wrong anyone have anything to add i thought it was wins goals for gerald
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re finland sweden vs nhl teams was helsinki stockholm nhl expansion in apr ousrvr oulu fi mep phoenix oulu fi marko poutiainen writes finland d jyrki lumme d teppo numminen d peter ahola well well they don t like our defenders mainly lumme and numminen about is correct for numminen and lumme r teemu selanne compared to kurri selanne s points are too high lets make it or no kurri s points are too low for kurri and for sel nne well in the canada cup and world championships largely due to the efforts of markus ketterer the goalie or the players listed above and luck there s presumably a lot of decent players in finland that wouldn t be superstars at the highest level but still valuable role players however my guess would be that the finnish canada cup team would be a team in the nhl wow now it looks like you don t like our players what about guys like nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen and even if he is aging ruotsalainen the main difference between finnish and north american players is that our players tend to be better in the larger rink the canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in europe and i think that there was more in our success than ketterer and luck though they helped i think that the main reason was that the team worked well together that s true game is so different here in europe compared to nhl north ame ricans are better in small rinks and europeans in large rinks an average european player from sweden finland russian or tsech slovakia is a better skater and puckhandler than his nhl colleague especially defenders in nhl are mainly slow and clumsy sel nne has also said that in the finnish sm league game is more based on skill than in nhl in finland he couldn t get so many breakaways because defenders here are an average much better skaters than in nhl also alpo suhonen said that in nhl sel nne s speed accentuates because of clumsy defensemen i have to admit that the best players come from canada but those regulars aren t as skilful as regulars in the best european leagues also top europeans are in the same level as the best north americans except lemieux is in the class of his own tommi
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re rumour keenan signs with rangers in article apr news columbia edu gld cunixb cc columbia edu gary l dare writes interestingly keenan s co coach or is it his number one on team canada at the world championships is roger neilsen but ultimately their hockey philosophies are like night and day keenan believes in pressuring the opposition and taking the initiative within the limits of his system while roger has a reactive hockey philosophy which is why messier will be able to and has played for keenan but thought roger s way was a sure loser it d be interesting if the rangers call in the balance of neilsen s contract to be keenan s assistant roger did do a very good job with the mediocre players just as he handled the cinderella canucks of years ago but his mistake was playing the rangers like those canucks last may roger is a great assistant coach but considering what must be bad blood between nielson and messier it would be a mistake to bring him back even in that role gerald
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re plus minus stat it is meaningless to compare one player s plus minus statistic with another players out of the context of the role and the playing time of the players involved to compare jagr s and francis s plus minus is ridiculous and absurd gerald
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re detroit playoff tradition in article apr reg triumf ca lange reg triumf ca threading the canadian tapestry writes way back in the early years s it took wins to garner the stanley cup soooooo a couple of local fish mongers local to the joe louis arena that is started the tradition of throwing an octopi onto the ice with every win after each victory one leg would be severed before the octopus found its way to the ice they are dead by the way it was a brilliant marketing strategy to shore up the demand for one of their least popular products hope this helps j lange local to the joe louis arena you mean local to olympia stadium where red wings games were played until fairly recently early s comes to mind as far as i know the rest of the post is basically correct if what you meant by local was simply detroit and i m being incredibly picky okay sorry about that david nichols senior statistical support specialist spss inc phone internet nichols spss com fax any correlation between my views and those of spss is strictly due to chance
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re goalie mask update in article c l ec f v acsu buffalo edu hammerl acsu buffalo edu valerie s hammerl writes in article hydra gatech edu gtd a prism gatech edu hrivnak writes here are the results after three days of voting remember pts for st for nd and for rd also you can still turn in votes and if the guy isn t a regular goalie or he is retired please include the team thanks for your time and keep on sending in those votes glenn healy nyi tommy soderstron ray leblanc usa soderstrom plays with philly but he doesn t have a moulded mask he s got the helmet and cage variety in white or at least that s what he wore thirteen hours ago yeah but soderstrom s mask has always appeared to be a lot bigger than the average helmet and cage variety it has a certain appeal on its own josh valerie hammerl some days i have to remind him he s not hammerl acsu buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brooks on claude acscvjh ubms cc buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for the devils but v pwwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu known for taking dumb penalties
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stop maynard bashing was re roger maynard in article apr sol uvic ca gballent hudson uvic ca writes does anyone recieve annoying email from roger maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group these emails are filled with insults more than are usual in roger s posts and have little if any hockey info i have recieved two in the last days i am just wondering if i am special or roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him gregmeister you can t be serious i and many of my colleagues have not received any bad e mails from roger in fact roger happens to have answered most if not all of my hockey questions and curiosities so before you start flaming at me or roger better re consider your nasty attitude towards roger and the like steve lee university of western ontario london canada lee obelix gaul csd uwo ca
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re flames question in article c htrb ice ccu umanitoba ca clhawth ccu umanitoba ca timothy chesley writes i heard a little while back that gary roberts would be returning to play in calgary s last regular season game can anybody confirm this he ll be a big help to the flames in the playoffs and may change my playoff pool strategy roberts played in last night game against the sharks and got a goal th and an assist this definitely bolsters calgary s chances in the playoffs rahim hirji rahim hirji life is what happens while you are actuarial science making other plans rhirji descartes uwaterloo ca university of waterloo
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re tv schedule for next week jpc philabs philips com john p curcio writes mmb lamar colostate edu michael burger writes united states tv schedule april devils islanders at pittsburgh est abc april st louis at chicago cdt abc april los angeles at calgary pdt abc okay here s the down side of the espn deal no additional coverage with a split contract sca could have at least gotten at leftovers like canucks jets caps whoever and red wings leafs or whoever else is playing april devils islanders at pittsburgh espn april tba espn april tba espn does anyone know if there will be alternate games in cities where local broadcast rights are being protected for our area islanders devils it s likely to be the bruins since the other adams series is montreal quebec i d prefer the latter myself i m under the impression that the abc deal overrides the local deals but if st louis at chicago pops up we ll know gld je me souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
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re bruins pens the ulf neeley fight oh excuse me for wasting the bandwidth but i was referring to the original incident not the recent skirmish which occurred this past month tom huot huot cray com
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cut vukota and pilon i have been to all isles caps tilts at the crap centre this year all isles wins and there is no justification for vukota and pilon to play for the isles vukota is absolutely the worst puck handler in the world he couldn t hit a bull in the ass with a banjo al must remember a few years back when mick scored goals in one period against the caps in a isles win i was there and was astonished as was the rest of the crowd wake up al years later he s gotten worse he s a cheap shot artist and always ends up getting stupid senseless penalties i think he would make a good police officier as for pilon he can t carry the puck out to center ice by himself he either makes a bad pass resulting in a turnover or he attempts to bring the puck towards the neutral zone and skates right into an opposing skater he can t stay on his skates with most forwards or centers he either falls down or committs a penalty call up somebody from capital district al as far as the playoffs the isles are as difficult to figure out as the caps two good teams with talent but so inconsistent they should meet in the first round the isles seem to play up to the level of their competition so they should play well against jersey tonite it ll probably be another tight goal game as the last games hve been for the isles i wish when the get a lead they could continue to pour it on instead of settling back into a defensive shell and letting the opposition get back in the game al must understand he can t do with this team what he did with the isles maybe al should got to where is bobby nystrom clark gilles john tonelli these are the kind of young minds we need behing the bench fire al john scialdone scialdone nssdca gsfc nasa gov when your ship comes in first man takes the sail
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re goalie mask poll in article hydra gatech edu gtd a prism gatech edu hrivnak writes here is an update on the goalie mask poll first since so many people gave me their best i decided to give pts for their favorite pts for nd for rd if you e mailed a response with only one i gave it pts please feel free to send me your other favorites if you only sent one before also votes are still welcome any mask you like will do as i have received votes for players not in the nhl please mention what team they play for though so here are the up to date results so far my vote goes to andy moog st belfour nd vanbiesbrouck rd the bruin s are hot at just the right time rich beskosty rbeskost east sun com
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re ulf and all you should be ashamed to call yourself an ulf samuelson fan anybody who plays the way he does does not belong in the nhl there have been cheap shot artists through the history of the game but a lot of them have been talanted players bobby clarke kenny linsemen pie mckenzie chris chelios etc but nobody has been out right as dirty a cheapshot coward as ulf violence in hockey has got to be curbed and players like should have been a women samuelson don t belong when players like ulf who s main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed to continue and the league won t stop it the players should a christian pro aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely if the bruins get a chance to meet pittsburgh in the near future you can bet neely will have his day the sight of watching ulf turtle up like the coward he is is worth almost as much as a stanely cup this wimp of a player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers in the game if you are to remove ulf samuelson from the lineup the penguins would not even notice he s gone he s an eyesore on the game of hockey rich
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re stop maynard bashing was re roger maynard in apr julian uwo ca lee gaul csd uwo ca steve lee writes in article apr sol uvic ca gballent hudson uvic ca writes does anyone recieve annoying email from roger maynard whenever they post an article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group these emails are filled with insults more than are usual in roger s posts and have little if any hockey info i have recieved two in the last days i am just wondering if i am special or roger trys to bully everyone who disagrees with him gregmeister you can t be serious i and many of my colleagues have not received any bad e mails from roger in fact roger happens to have answered most if not all of my hockey questions and curiosities so before you start flaming at me or roger better re consider your nasty attitude towards roger and the like steve lee university of western ontario london canada lee obelix gaul csd uwo ca speaking of roger where is his comments from last nights game you have to admit he can make a nothing game sound like it was game of the stanley cup finals roger pushes the leafs so much it even bothers me a long time supporter but he does have a good overall idea of the game wow i just gave r m a compliment guess i better stop it with the rye water before i give him another
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re bruins vs canadiens in article apr rose com jack petrilli rose com jack petrilli writes so i don t know what you mean by parity boston never was is not now and never will be as good an organization as the montreal canadiens never was probably is not now debatable what other valid test can you think of besides the final standings or divisional playoff winner what do you propose a worthless vote like they do in college football what a joke you boston fans make me laugh you re going crazy based on a very recent boston domination over montreal in the playoffs i mean how many cups has boston won compared to montreal s and who do you think is going to win the next cup between the teams montreal or boston you know sinden s going to find some way of screwing up even this good boston team he ll fire suter or trade away a vital star admittedly his last few trades have been good ones but how long before his luck runs out and he starts making esposito for ratelle type trades again if i remember right brad park was also involved in that trade he wasn t all that bad a hockey player but let s look at some of sinden s trades over the years for rick middleton rangers i don t know who sinden gave up for middle ton so i ll call this one a barry pederson for cam neely canucks any questions greg hawgood for vladimir ruzicka oilers didja see that one rosie roofed against roy in last year s playoffs courtnall ranford for andy moog oilers a wash moog is a good goaltender ranford burned boston in the finals in his first year and courtnall always seems to get his points anyone in vancouver care to comment on courtnall as a defensive liability ken linseman for dave poulin flyers any more questions janney quintal for adam oates blues janney is an enormous talent and a personable guy the the bruins play in adam s division enough said so even if you count the esposito vadnais ratelle park i don t remember who else joe zanussi trade as a double minus harry the horse trader comes out on top i submit that the bruins are always good because of harry not in spite of him btw do you really think the habs will bounce back next season i ll bet they finish fourth or fifth in the conference behind any of the following pittsburgh quebec boston washington islanders someone correct me if these five teams will not be in montreal s conference in summary things look bleak for the habs at least in the near future i suspect that the next team from la belle province to win the cup will be that team that lindros didn t want to play for i admit that i ve been suffering lately with the boston gets hot while montreal swans in the playoffs type years but i do have the sure knowledge that the montreal braintrust will keep plugging away until they hit the right formula for yet another cup whereas if i were a boston fan i d have this kind of despair that as long as harry sinden is running the show the bruins will always be good but never good enough jack dan lyddy daniell cory berkeley edu university of california at berkeley my two favorite hockey teams the boston bruins whoever s playing pittsburgh
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re plus minus stat brad gibson gibson nukta geop ubc ca wrote much text deleted plus minus it is the most misleading hockey stat available not necessarily the most misleading but you are right it definitely needs to be taken in the proper perspective a shining example is if you look at the penguins individual you will find very few minuses that only makes common sense since they didn t lose many games until the nhl publishes a more useful quantifiable statistic including ice time per game and some measure of its quality i e is the player put out in key situations like protecting a lead late in the game is he matched up against the other team s top one or two lines short handed etc i would much rather see the disappear altogether instead of having its dubious merits trumpeted by those with little understanding of its implications unfortunately you will need to keep a ridiculous number of stats to really come up with a statistic which really shows a player s value let s just enjoy the game and not overanalyze it like i m doing now excuse me tom huot huot cray com
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re plus minus stat gerald olchowy golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca wrote it is meaningless to compare one player s plus minus statistic with another players out of the context of the role and the playing time of the players involved to compare jagr s and francis s plus minus is ridiculous and absurd gerald thank you for putting this in perspective tom huot huot cray com
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rangers are an embarrassment i can t believe that the ny rangers would force its players to go to binghamtom to play in the ahl playoffs instead of letting them represent their countries in the world championships anderrson and zubov are waiting for the nhl to make a decision to this while kovalev has given in and gone down to the minors the rangers are a disgrace ps it has been reported that neil smith was very much against the hiring of mike keenan how long will smith be in ny for the godfather
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flyers notes the flyers blew a lead over the buffalo sabres in the second period but kevin dineen s th career hat trick powered them to their th consecutive win over the sabres who have now lost in a row alexander mogilny led the comeback scoring his th and th goals of the season which tied the game at in the nd period and in the rd tommy soderstrom stopped of shots on goal to improve his own record to as he was tested by mogilny and lafontaine all night roster move andre faust was once again recalled from hershey shawn cronin was a healthy scratch lines eklund lindros recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroy faust acton brown galley bowen yushkevich hawgood carkner mcgill tommy soderstrom game summary say if anybody from buffalo is reading this where did you people get that woman who sang the anthems we had to turn down the volume the flyers defense started out the game showing everybody why the flyers have been shutting teams out lately by holding the sabres to only shots in the first period they then showed everybody why they will be playing golf sunday when they gave up shots in the last two periods maybe tommy told them that he was getting bored back there mark recchi opened the scoring so fast that if you blinked you missed it after buffalo won the faceoff and dumped tommy wrapped the puck around the boards to eric way up on his left eric dropped it to galley and he sent it ahead to recchi steaming out of the zone mark skated into the center circle passed the puck to himself through the legs of richard smehlik skated around him and in on fuhr smehlik was pulling at him all the way through the zone with his stick recchi drifted right drifted back left and slid the puck back to the right past fuhr for a flyers lead at it was so beautiful eric and garry should turn down their assists the flyers kept the pressure on fuhr for a while after that but he was strong and kept the flyers from doing further damage the game then became a defensive struggle for a while the sabres got the first chance on the power play when terry carkner took a boarding minor at for crunching dale hawerchuk into the boards in the flyers zone lafontaine got the only scoring chance and not a terribly good one as the flyers smothered the sabres power play mogilny got a post after it was over the th consecutive penalty kill for the flyers keith carney took a holding penalty at for taking down mark recchi to give the flyers a power play the best penalty killing team in the league didn t allow the flyers a shot on goal although the flyers did create a good scoring chance for lindros who partially fanned on his shot towards the end of the period the play started going end to end but everybody kept missing the net greg hawgood took an interference penalty at to give the sabres another power play but they couldn t get anything going and the fans expressed their displeasure particularly when they iced the puck shots were buffalo after the flyers had led at one point mike emrick interviewed flyers president jay snider between periods jay was disappointed to not make the playoffs but not discouraged this was considered a rebuilding year after the trade and he seemed very happy with the way the season went when asked if he agonized over the trade he said that it was russ farwell s trade and not his that it only was an issue for him and ed snider as far as the money but yes there was some agonizing and they d do it all over again when asked how the coaching situation would be handled for next year he said that it s russ call and russ will evaluate things at the end of the season he feels that they re years away from a shot at the cup he expects to get into the playoffs next year have a shot at a division title the following year and a shot at the finals the year after that this based on the current level of play and anticipated improvements over the summer he s very happy with the re alignment he called it outstanding happy with the current expansion feels that the talent pool is big enough with the unflux of europeans but feels that they must make sure existing franchises are stable seemed to like the idea of playing in the olympics booo but said that there was a definite split among owners and that this certainly would only happen in four years if there was a consensus the sabres gave the flyers their second power play of the game when brad may took a tripping penalty at of the second the flyers had a little trouble getting started but eventually did hawgood took a pass as he was moving throug the neutral zone and handed the puck to eklund just outside the sabres blue line along the right boards eklund carried into the zone nad passed across to dineen who tried a one timer from between the blue line and the top of the left circle he half fanned on it and sent the puck trickling through the slot fuhr didn t know where it was though and hawgood won the race to it and flipped it into essentially an open net at then mogilny on a breakaway he slipped through two flyers at the blue line and went in on soderstrom he went with the backhander but soderstrom was all over it the flyers then took some bad discipline type penalties that really hurt them viacheslav butsayev took a double minor for roughing and high sticking when barnaby got under his skin and drew one minor then according to gary dornhoefer took a dive to get the other there was no video at the sabres coudln t get started ryan mcgill poked at the puck just after a sabre carried into the flyers zone and after a bunch of people poked at it dineen emerged with it and headed the other way it started out a on but brind amour hustled ahead to make it a on and back off the defenseman dineen let it rip from the top of the right circle to make it flyers at that was all for fuhr john muckler sent in dominik hasek to take over but the sabres still had lots of power play time again they took some time to just get into the flyers zone and when they finally did the flyers were all over them boos began to ring through the building but they finally got through soderstrom on an ugly goal smehlik took a shot from the top of the zone that missed and kicked out to hawerchuk in the slot hawerchuk tried a backhander as he skated towards the goal line to the right as galley dove down to block it mistake he should have let soderstrom handle the backhander and worried about a the rebound or b barnaby who was camped behind the goal line right next to the net well the rebound dropped right next to soderstrom and mistake galley just laid there and watched barnaby get three hacks at the puck before he finally pushed it through the goalie he didn t even swing his stick out to try and knock the puck away with the goal at two streaks end for the flyers of shutout hockey and straight penalty kills lindros put them right back on the power play at with a high sticking minor i think it was barnaby again this time the sabres were able to get set up quickly but couldn t get too much quality on goal the sabres continued to keep the puck in the flyers end for a while after the power play ended things evetually settled down but then the other very bad penalty mcgill allowed barnaby to get under his skin and slashed his stick just before a faceoff the gloves were dropped and mcgill started pounding the crap out of him but during the fight he gave barnaby a head butt with his helmet and that meant a match penalty for slashing fighting and for the major minutes of power play time for the sabres at barnaby only got the flyers were keeping them at bay for a while but there was only so long they could do that after a couple of good sabre chances audette handed to ledyard at the point and ledyard sent a drive that was knocked down by soderstrom lafontaine whacked at the bouncing puck from the left side of the net and knocked it over to randy wood at the right soderstrom had moved over to play lafontaine and since yushkevich and carkner were waving at the puck instead of picking up men wood just slid it into the empty net at to close the flyers lead to lafontaine was actually trying to put it on net but half fanned on it and got a break the flyers then got some shorthanded pressure in the sabres zone but hasek was strong finally it was keith carney passing ahead to hawerchuk into the neutral zone and hawerchuk sent a good backhand pass to mogilny at the flyers blue line another mini breakaway for mogilny he elected to shoot from the left circle and he threaded the needle to get it just inside the far post at for his th of the season ironically the youth hockey tip between the st and second period was tommy soderstrom talking about cutting off angles that was all in the nd shots were sabres into the rd period and pelle eklund blew a golden opportunity to get the flyers the lead back a on acton with the puck he dropped to eklund in the slot and eklund held the puck as he slid through the left circle until he had almost no angle at all to shoot from when he finally did shoot he hit the far post that was still during the carryover power play time than an incredible almost goal randy wood skated around recchi and hawgood untouched into soderstrom soderstrom goes down wood pokes the puck under soderstrom and a black object hits the back of the net red light comes on horn sounds crowd cheers but up to the video replay booth for some strange reason and in the meantime emrick and dornhoefer try to figure out what they could be reviewing well it turns out that it was the taped up stick blade that went into the net not the puck emrick mentions that one of the criteria for scoring a goal is that the puck must go into the net dave hannan then took out recchi and got a holding minor at the flyers could not get anything going at all they finally got set up way through but were kept on the perimeter as time ran out beranek stripped the puck from a sabre in the offensive zone along the right boards and passed it across to eklund at the top of the left circle eklund saw dineen heading at the net just inside the right circle and passed through to him dineen fumbled the pass but twice directed it at hasek and eklund swooped in and chipped the bouncing puck over the goalie for his th at flyers but the sabres came right back lafontaine picked up the puck in his offensive left corner and slid it to bob erry behind the flyers net erry started to skate out but then just dropped the puck back to nobody behind the net mogilny flew in skated around and stuffed it through soderstrom s hole for his th at to tie the game at then hawerchuk took a retaliatory roughing penalty at the flyers set up in the sabres zone and stayed there off a faceoff high in the sabres zone in the middle while brind amour wrestled for the puck dineen snuck through the line and wristed a perfect shot low to hasek s glove side at play started to go back and forth until hawgood took a roughing penalty at the flyers dumped the puck into the sabres zone brind amour and ledyard went after it and rod got the puck he backed away from the right boards skated to the right faceoff dot and passed between his legs to dineen crashing through the slot all by himself dineen waited patiently and lifted it over the blocker of hasek for a flyers lead at rd hat trick of the season for dineen th of his career nd shorthanded goal of the game for him th of the season then carney took a tripping penalty at to kill the rest of the sabres power play not much action on the on and the sabres got most of the chances on the flyers resulting power play play went end to end for quite a while after that and both goalies had to make some big saves the sabres weren t able to pull hasek as time was running out as the flyers wouldn t allow any consistant possession for the sabres finally as time was running out ken sutton misplayed the puck in his own left corner and brind amour stripped it away from him he pulled away and found dineen on the other side of the left circle and dineen found acton at the right of hasek he slid the puck between two sabres defenders and acton chipped it back to the far side of hasek for his th of the season at on his th birthday that was all the scoring shots were buffalo and the ice was showered with plastic drinking mugs handed out before the game so another strong game from tommy soderstrom who hadn t been tested much in his last couple of starts kevin dineen has a career high point night unless he had a better night earlier in the season but i don t think so the flyers longest winning streak in years goals for only against with three shutouts eric lindros is th in league with even strength goals despite missing games with injury points out of th clinched th place since the rangers lose the tie breaker a couple misc notes forget the mike keenan rumors there will be a press conference tommorrow to announce that he will be head coach of the new york rangers next year in the last notes i mentioned that garry galley won the barry ashbee award but i failed to mention that the award is for the best defenseman the times of trenton has reported that a preeminent specialist from oklahoma has looked over tommy soderstrom s medical record and determined that no further tests are necessary in the near future same paper had a blurb about bill dineen being asked about whether or not he expected to be back next year his response was that he wants to come back he feels he did a good job this year but that he would cheerfully accept a role scouting if farwell didn t want him back flyers team record watch eric lindros goals assists points rookie records club record goals club record points eric lindros dave poulin brian propp brian propp ron flockhart eric lindros dave poulin ron flockhart bill barber pelle eklund mark recchi goals assists points club record goals club record points reggie leach mark recchi tim kerr bobby clarke tim kerr bobby clarke mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobby clarke bill barber rick macliesh reggie leach more than games flyers career years player points best prior season mark recchi penguins rod brind amour flyers garry galley kings brent fedyk red wings that s all for now pete clark jr rsh flyers contact and mailing list owner
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re ulf and all richard wernick richard amc com wrote you should be ashamed to call yourself an ulf samuelson fan anybody who plays the way he does does not belong in the nhl there have been cheap shot artists through the history of the game but a lot of them have been talanted players bobby clarke kenny linsemen pie mckenzie chris chelios etc but nobody has been out right as dirty a cheapshot coward as ulf violence in hockey has got to be curbed and players like should have been a women samuelson don t belong when players like ulf who s main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed to continue and the league won t stop it the players should a christian pro aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely if the bruins get a chance to meet pittsburgh in the near future you can bet neely will have his day the sight of watching ulf turtle up like the coward he is is worth almost as much as a stanely cup this wimp of a player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers in the game if you are to remove ulf samuelson from the lineup the penguins would not even notice he s gone he s an eyesore on the game of hockey rich thank you for your extremely lucid and well thought out observation now when you get back on your medication please let us know how you are feeling thank you tom huot huot cray com
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re goodbye good riddance get lost stars stephen lawrence s lawren sms business uwo ca wrote goodbye minnesota you never earned the right to have an nhl franchise in the first place hope you enjoy your twin city wide mania for high school hockey hey by the way my old pee wee team is having a reunion in regina care to come up and film the event yee haa golden gophers whatta weird town s lawren sms business uwo ca stephen lawrence western business school london ontario this is the second posting of this kind from an idiot at a business school in canada what is your problem up there anyway is this what they teach you in business school in canada tom huot huot cray com
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re goalie mask update in article hydra gatech edu gtd a prism gatech edu hrivnak writes here are the results after three days of voting remember pts for st for nd and for rd also you can still turn in votes and if the guy isn t a regular goalie or he is retired please include the team thanks for your time and keep on sending in those votes player team pts votes brian hayward san jose andy moog boston curtis joseph st louis ed belfour chicago gerry cheevers boston retired manon rheaume atlanta ihl ron hextall quebec don beaupre washington others receiving vote artus irbe sj tim cheveldae det clint malarchuck buf sd ihl grant fuhr buf rick wamsley tor ret jon casey minn john vanbiesbrouck nyr ken dryden mon ret bob essensa win mike vernon cal glenn healy nyi tommy soderstron ray leblanc usa c mon tommy soderstrom is having a fine rookie i think he s a rookie season with the flyers i m sure most of you knew that already but just in case john p jfp acad drake edu a longtime but realistic ranger fan who s willing to admit that the rangers sucked big time this year they don t even deserve the luxury of a nice golf course with a warm breeze god talk about underachievers mike keenan we re waiting for you go skins now for the next question does emotional music have quite go braves an effect on you mike patton faith no more go hornets go capitals mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd a prism gatech edu
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sharks review part defensemen peter ahola season nd acquired trade with pittsburgh for future considerations grade i b it is way too early to tell about ahola who was acquired probably because the penguins figured that they would lose him in the expansion draft ahola had only played games this season i think it s actually less the san jose mercury news may be in err here of them with the sharks in the games he has played he appeared quite solid defensively although he hasn t been spectacular and his offense isn t anything to write home about points it s even possible that the trade may be for future considerations which turn out to be peter ahola doug wilson season th acquired trade with chicago for rw kerry toporowski and nd round pick in entry draft grade i b i have often been accused of overly down on wilson i may have had too high expectations for him but his legs knees et al are giving out nevertheless when he was playing he exhibited a strong shooting and playmaking abilities even if he has lost a step on defense which unfortunately he demonstrated this year as well as at times he was slow to catch the opponent forwards and his offensive output was only good enough for nd place on the team points in games but next year which may be wilson s last if he can stay healthy he can still be a contributor dean kolstad season nd acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade i c d it s probably somewhat unfair for me to judge kolstad on just a handful of games forgetting exact number but no more than but at age he s quickly running out of time if he wants to make it to the nhl in those games he did not impress anyone after generating shots in the first period of the first game he played he scored just points in his tenure up here with the sharks and was even less impressive defensively as he appeared awkward with his movement and was prone to giveaways he needs to make a leap in his level of performance to have any chance of making the team pat macleod season nd acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade i macleod was on the roster a lot longer than kolstad but it appears to my memory that he played less than kolstad because the sharks were reluctant to use him but were even more reluctant to send him to the minors figuring that he wouldn t clear waivers in fact he has played the past weeks with kansas city but is still technically there on a rehabilitation assignment a rehab assignment that will include him playing in the turner cup playoffs since he has played so little i can t even give a tentative grade on him but he demonstrated last year excellent offensive skills but terrible defensive skills tom pederson season st acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade i b called up in the middle of the season when the defensive corps was decimated by injuries pederson impressed many sharks fan here on net including yours truly he demonstrated very good offensive skills scoring points in games however his size lbs is of concern and soon after he began to shine offensive did teams begin to push him around physically on both sides of the ice although he had appeared fearless in his approach but to be successful he probably needs to bulk up to have a fighting chance on surviving against some of the bigger players in the league claudio scremin season st acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade i d d he played all of games in the league this year but was thoroughly umimpressive just as he was at the end of last season again it may be a small sample but just as in the case of kolstad scremin at age is quickly running out of time he was not a contributor on either offense or defense in the games he played with the sharks the only notable thing that will go down in scremin s entry of league stats is probably the fact that he was once traded for now capitals goaltender don beaupre go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu claudius leland stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks
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dear montana pinetree org re hockey pool hi there i can t seem to get mail to you can you tell me your entire adress or even your dotted decimal address ie thanks rocket calvin cs unb ca maurice richard
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stan fischler keenan stuff the keenan hiring is precipitated by the loss of an anticipated m in playoff revenue and fears of losing season ticket holders plus paramount chief stan jaffe s chip against the flyers over l affaire lindros last autumn add to this that neilsen might return as an assistant coach gerald what d i say earlier today and roger conferred with jaffe on the hiring this hiring by jaffe went over the head of msg inc par subsidiary head bob gutkowski and over the head and the protests of pres gm neil smith msg is making the announcement on saturday to get back at the islanders for making the playoffs i e steal the press flyers owner ed snyder is livid and beside himself over this keenan will make up to yr gary bettman has appointed an independent consul to look at gil stein s admission into the hall of fame new crease colours rather than blue the oilers will charge to eat in the press room next year gld je me souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
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playoff pool rule revision well i will have to change the scoring on my playoff pool unfortunately i don t have time right now but i will certainly post the new scoring rules by tomorrow does it matter no you ll enter anyway good keith keller let s go rangers let s go quakers kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs when i want your opinion i ll give it to you
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re keenan signs with the rangers in article apr ns cc lehigh edu cpc ns cc lehigh edu connin patrick colgain writes just heard on the news that mike keenan formerly of the blackhawks flyers and general of a siberian prison has just signed to coach the rangers the rangers who won the president s cup last year have slipped just a bit at the end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly flyers the flyers fans are going to be disappointed on keenans decision because they were very interested in him oh well at least we got somebody the flyers wanted is this really true i have not been keeping up with any news if it is what s the deal with neil smith is he gone too keith keller let s go rangers let s go quakers kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs when i want your opinion i ll give it to you
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re devils and islanders tiebreaker in article c lfa e murdoch acc virginia edu cal d csissun ee virginia edu craig allen lorie writes according to the hockey gurus over at espn should the islanders win tonite the two teams will have the same record but the devils will be playing the penguins this is because the islanders have won the season series against the devils i think the rules for deciding a tie breaker include season series goals against goals for in this order correct me if i m wrong anyone have anything to add i think that they go to divisional records before goals but i could be wrong too keith keller let s go rangers let s go quakers kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs when i want your opinion i ll give it to you
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re hockey cards for sale in c h x dtw panix com formeza panix com the owl writes in case anyone missed it i m reposting this and i m also selling some other stuff i would like to sell a few of my hockey cards sets upperdeck hockey low s sets this is the first upperdeck hockey set made important rookie cards in it are mogilny roenick belfour recchi stevens jagr nolan nedved ricci sundin modano richter and others the beckett price is but i m charging to cover the shipping and packaging i ve sold one but i still have left for sale i also realize that is alot of money especially if you don t normally collect cards so if enough people are interested i ll break up the set into team sets i m not sure how much for each it would be nice to just sell them for each but then the people who get the whalers and devils note i m not bagging on these teams its just that they don t have alot of good rookie cards in this set would be subsidizing the people who want chicago or pittsburgh so i ll have to make it varialble pricing but most of them should be about or dollars score pinnacle candian sets this is a very nice set premium quality cards has second year cards of the players above plus bure potvin falloon and lindros value second year cards and the following rookie cards lidstrom kamensky zelepukin roussel konstantinov beckett price is but i have alot of these upperdeck czechoslovakian set this is a card set of the world junior tournament meant for sale in czechoslovakia but didn t sell well there and some of it filtere back in to the us the cards are bilingual has lachance kovalev and straka rookies if your interested please e mail me thanks ok someone asked for this one but he s from canada if he can get me the money in us funds then its his if not the first person who writes in will be the alternate also i would like to sell upperdeck pavel bure rookie cards note these are not in the ud low s set mentioned above each they are in the book but the goes for postage packaging and insurance and if there is something you want that you don t see e mail me i may have it or may be able to get it for you thanks the owl ted formeza formeza sun panix com
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kings regular season schedule results los angeles kings schedule results tv preseason games of regular season and all playoffs on tv pt prime ticket ktla channel abc channel playoffs radio all regular and preseason games broadcast on the kings radio network southern california xtra am flagship simi valley kwnk am ankorage alaska kbyr am el centro kamp am fairbanks alaska kiak am hemet temecula khsj am lancaster palmdale kavl am palm desert knwz am paso robles kprl am reno nevada kply am sacramento ksac am san luis obispo kkal am santa clarita kbet am las vegas nevada keno am preseason september october la vs van vancouver pt la vs pit portland pts pt la vs pit tacoma pts la vs nyr san diego pts pt la vs nyr phoenix pts la vs sj sacramento pts la vs van the forum pts la vs sj the forum pts total regular season october la calgary ot pts pt la vs detroit pts pt la vs winnipeg pts pt la vs san jose pts pt la vs calgary pts pt la vs boston pts pt la calgary pts la winnipeg pts pt la minnesota pts la ny islanders pts pt la boston pts pt la hartford pts oct pts november la vs new jersey pts pt la vs buffalo pts pt la san jose pts no tv la winnipeg pts pt la vs vancouver pts pt la vs edmonton pts pt la vancouver pts pt la san jose pts pt la vs chicago pts pt la vs toronto pts pt la edmonton pts no tv la detroit pts pt la toronto pts pt nov pts year december la chicago pts at milwaukee pt la vs pittsburgh pts pt la vs hartford pts pt la vs montreal pts at phoenix pt la vs quebec pts pt la vs st louis pts pt la vs tampa bay pts pt la edmonton pts la calgary pts pt la vs vancouver pts pt la san jose pts la vs philadelphia pts pt la vancouver pts pt dec pts year january la vs montreal pts pt la vs tampa bay pts pt la winnipeg pts la chicago pts la ottawa pts pt la new jersey pts pt la vs winnipeg pts pt la edmonton pts pt la vs vancouver pts pt la vs ny rangers pts pt la vs san jose pts pt la vs calgary pts pt la vs chicago pts pt jan pts year february la quebec pts pt la montreal pts pt la vs edmonton pts pt la vs detroit pts pt la vs washington pts pt la vs vancouver pts pt la minnesota pts pt la chicago pts pt la washington pts pt la tampa bay pts pt la st louis pts pt la vs toronto pts pt feb pts year march la vs calgary pts pt la vs ottawa pts pt la vs edmonton pts pt la ny rangers pts pt la pittsburgh pts pt philadelphia postponed after period due to weather resch for buffalo postponed due to weather rescheduled for la buffalo pts pt la vs winnipeg pts pt la vs ny islanders pts pt la vs st louis pts pt la vancouver pts la edmonton pts la winnipeg pts pt la detroit pts la toronto pts pt mar pts year april la philadelphia pts pt rescheduled la vs minnesota pts pt la vs calgary pts pt la vs san jose pts pt la san jose ot pts pt la vancouver pts pt la vs vancouver pts pt apr pts year pts rd smythe th overall playoffs april calgary noon calgary pm pt vs calgary pm pt vs calgary noon calgary pm pt vs calgary pm pt may calgary pm pt all times listed are pacific time if necessary may be shown on abc if televised by prime ticket time is pm stan willis willis empire dnet hac com net contact l a kings talk with the l a kings mailing list kings cs stanford edu to subscribe or unsubscribe kings request cs stanford edu
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possible canadian wc team this is an all point team for the canadian nhlers who are not playoff bound goalies bill ranford edmonton sean burke hartford peter sidorkiewicz ottawa defensemen zarley zalapski hartford norm maciver ottawa garry galley philadelphia greg hawgood philadelphia dave manson edmonton mark tinordi minnesota centers mark messier n y rangers geoff sanderson hartford brian bradley tampa bay rod brind amour philadelphia left wings adam graves n y rangers chris kontos tampa bay patrick poulin hartford shayne corson edmonton right wings pat verbeek hartford russ courtnall minnesota mike gartner n y rangers kevin dineen philadelphia go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu claudius leland stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks
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re pens info needed in article apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson lu writes in article apr jyu fi mikkot romulus math jyu fi mikko tarkiainen writes coaching news vasili tichonov ex assat to san jose sharks wow so that s probably the reason why current assistant coach drew ramenda hinted that he won t be back thanks for the news mikko can you or any of our finnish netters comment on tichonov the first time i heard this piece of news was on the post game radio interview here in jyvaskyla that was the bronze medal game in the sm liiga which tichonov s team porin assat the aces of town pori lost vasili the son of victor tichonov the famous soviet coach said that for a long time the sharks have been persuading him to take the assistant coach post but he wants to be the head coach where ever he goes he definitely won t be coaching assat anymore after three seasons i don t know why vasili is a good coach i believe assat was a good team produced many players to our national team assat wasn t a skilled team imho but they had the fighting spirit after all they butchered jokerit in the playoffs and gave hard time to tps the champs but assat wasn t consistent only when they were in the right mood they could beat any team in the sm liiga i am not sure about the deal with the sharks as i said he wants to be the head coach but he and the sharks are going to negotiate and decide during the wc i doubt that he will be the head coach but maybe they ll do some compromise could somebody post more information about vasili i know he was coaching in the former soviet league teams results his character as a coach
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re devils and islanders tiebreaker in article c ldi u odin corp sgi com enolan sharkbite esd sgi com ed nolan says if the islanders beat the devils tonight they would finish with identical records who s the lucky team that gets to face the penguins in the opening round also can somebody list the rules for breaking ties as i recall the penguins and devils tied for third place last year with identical records as well poor devils they always get screwed yet they should put a scare into pittsburgh they always do pens in robbie po pgh penguins it won t be easy but it contact for the stanley cup will have greater rewards penn state lady lions champions mountains and valleys are rap psuvm psu edu straight wins better than nothing at all
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re goodbye good riddance get lost stars in article dt b w w sms business uwo ca s lawren sms business uwo ca stephen lawrence says goodbye minnesota you never earned the right to have an nhl franchise in the first place hope you enjoy your twin city wide mania for high school hockey hey by the way my old pee wee team is having a reunion in regina care to come up and film the event yee haa golden gophers whatta weird town minnesota definitely deserves an nhl franchise you ll see the minnesota whalers pretty soon so fear not minnesota fans no norm green cept for the team color sorry bad pun what a difference two years makes minnesota finished in and made the finals they finish with a better record at thi year and move to dallas every team in the playoffs has a winning record finally it s about time nhl robbie po pgh penguins it won t be easy but it contact for the stanley cup will have greater rewards penn state lady lions champions mountains and valleys are rap psuvm psu edu straight wins better than nothing at all
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final nhl player stats if you are interested in receiving the final player stats for the nhl season as well as playoff box scores stats and scores updates then e mail my stat server mmilitzo skidmore edu the subject of the message must be stats
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wc scores and standings april world championships in germany group a standings munich group b standings dortmund gp w t l gf ga p gp w t l gf ga p sweden germany italy czech republic russia usa canada finland switzerland france austria norway april italy russia norway germany sweden austria usa czech republic april canada switzerland russia austria finland france april sweden canada czech republic germany switzerland italy finland usa april germany france italy sweden czech republic norway april switzerland russia usa france austria canada norway finland april switzerland austria germany finland april russia sweden czech republic france canada italy usa norway april sweden switzerland finland czech republic russia canada germany usa april austria italy france norway playoffs april quarterfinals a b a b april quarterfinals a b a b april relegation a b a b april semifinals a b a b a b a b may relegation bronze medal game may final staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson se r s h contact for swedish hockey
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ripem frequently asked questions archive name ripem faq last update sun mar about this posting this is a still rather rough listing of likely questions and information about ripem a program for public key mail encryption it this faq not ripem was written and will be maintained by marc vanheyningen mvanheyn whale cs indiana edu it will be posted to a variety of newsgroups on a monthly basis follow up discussion specific to ripem is redirected to the group alt security ripem this month i have reformatted this posting in an attempt to comply with the standards for hypertext faq formatting to allow easy manipulation of this document over the world wide web let me know what you think disclaimer nothing in this faq should be considered legal advice or anything other than one person s opinion if you want real legal advice talk to a real lawyer questions and answers what is ripem ripem is a program which performs privacy enhanced mail pem using the cryptographic techniques of rsa and des it allows your electronic mail to have the properties of authentication i e who sent it can be confirmed and privacy i e nobody can read it except the intended recipient ripem was written primarily by mark riordan mrr scss cl msu edu most of the code is in the public domain except for the rsa routines which are a library called rsaref licensed from rsa data security inc how can i get ripem ripem contains the library of cryptographic routines rsaref which is considered munitions and thus is export restricted from distribution to people who are not citizens or permanent residents of the u s or canada therefore the following request is quoted from the readme file please do not export the cryptographic code in this distribution outside of the usa or canada this is a personal request from me the author of ripem and a condition of your use of ripem note that rsaref is not in the public domain and a license for it is included with the distribution you should read it before using ripem the best way to get it is to ask a friend for a copy since this will reduce the load on those sites that do carry it not to mention the humans that run them naturally this requires that you trust the friend ripem is available via anonymous ftp to citizens and permanent residents in the u s from rsa com cd to rsaref and read the readme file for info last i looked this site contains only the source tree and does not contain compiled binaries or the nice mac version ripem as well as some other crypt stuff has its home site on rpub cl msu edu which is open to non anonymous ftp for users in the u s and canada who are citizens or permanent residents to find out how to obtain access ftp there cd to pub crypt and read the file getting access for convenience binaries for many architectures are available here in addition to the full source tree will ripem run on my machine probably it has already been ported to ms dos and most flavors of unix sunos next linux aix ultrix solaris etc ports to macintosh include a standard unix style port and a rather nice mac like port written by raymond lau author of stuffit more ports are expected and help of users is invited will ripem work with my mailer probably how easy and clean the effective interface is will depend on the sophistication and modularity of the mailer though the users guide included with the distribution discusses ways to use ripem with many popular mailers including berkeley mush elm and mh code is also included in elisp to allow easy use of ripem inside gnu emacs if you make a new interface for ripem or create an improvement on one in the distribution which you believe is convenient to use secure and may be useful to others feel free to post it to alt security ripem what is rsa rsa is a crypto system which is asymmetric or public key this means that there are two different related keys one to encrypt and one to decrypt because one cannot reasonably be derived from the other you may publish your encryption or public key widely and keep your decryption or private key to yourself anyone can use your public key to encrypt a message but only you hold the private key needed to decrypt it note that the message sent with rsa is normally just the des key to the real message see what is des note that the above only provides for privacy for authentication the fingerprint of the message see what is a fingerprint like md is encrypted with the sender s private key the recipient can use the sender s public key to decrypt it and confirm that the message must have come from the sender rsa was named for the three men rivest shamir and adleman who invented it to find out more about rsa ftp to rsa com and look in pub faq or look in sci crypt what is des des is the data encryption standard a widely used symmetric or secret key crypto system unlike rsa des uses the same key to encrypt and decrypt messages however des is much faster than rsa ripem uses both des and rsa it generates a random key and encrypts your mail with des using that key it then encrypts that key with the recipient s public rsa key and includes the result in the letter allowing the recipient to recover the des key des is sometimes considered weak because it is somewhat old and uses a key length considered too short by modern standards however it should be reasonably safe against an opponent smaller than a large corporation or government agency it is not unlikely that future ripems will strengthen the symmetric cipher possibly by using multiple encryption with des what is pem and how does ripem relate pem is privacy enhanced mail a system for allowing easy transfer of encrypted electronic mail it is described in rfcs these documents have been approved and obsolete the old rfcs ripem is not really a complete implementation of pem because pem specifies certificates for authenticating keys which ripem does not handle at this time their addition is planned what s this about distributing and authenticating keys for a remote user to be able to send secure mail to you she must know your public key for you to be able to confirm that the message received came from her you must know her public key it is important that this information be accurate if a bad guy convinces her that his key is in fact yours she will send messages which he can read ripem allows for three methods of key management a central server the distributed finger servers and a flat file all three are described in the ripem users guide which is part of the distribution none of them provide perfect security why do all ripem public keys look very similar ripem public keys begin with a pkcs identifier describing various characteristics about the key so the first bunch of characters in your key may be the same as those of lots of other people s keys this does not mean your keys are similar but only that they are the same class of key were generated with the same program are of the same length etc what is a fingerprint like md md is a message digest algorithm produced by rsa data security inc it provides a bit fingerprint or cryptographically secure hash of the plaintext it is cryptographically secure because it is not possible in a reasonable amount of computation to produce a different plaintext which produces the same fingerprint thus instead of signing the entire message with the sender s private key only the md of the message needs to be signed for authentication md is sometimes used for other purposes for example it is often used to map an input of arbitrary length to bits of data as a passphrase interpreter or cookie generator md is described in its entirety including an implementation in c in rfc what is pgp pgp is another cryptographic mail program called pretty good privacy pgp has been around longer than ripem and works somewhat differently pgp is not compatible with ripem in any way though pgp does also use rsa some major differences between pgp and ripem pgp has more key management features particularly for users without a direct network connection ripem conforms to the pem rfcs and thus has a greater probability of working with other pem software pgp makes no attempt to be compatible with anything other than pgp in fact pgp is not compatible with pgp ripem uses rsaref a library of rsa routines from rsa data security inc rsaref comes with a license which allows noncommercial use pgp uses its own implementation of rsa which is not licensed thus pkp the firm holding the u s patents on the rsa algorithm claims that it is a infringement of that patent to make use or sell pgp in the u s or canada in acknowledgement of this pgp s original author phil zimmermann says in the documentation in fact if you live in the usa and you are not a federal agency you shouldn t actually run pgp on your computer because public key partners wants to forbid you from running my software pgp is contraband both pgp and ripem are export restricted and cannot be sent outside the u s and canada however pgp already exists on many ftp sites in europe and other places whether you use pgp or ripem or whatever the documentation to pgp is recommended reading to anyone interested in such issues note that the above facts both regarding patent and export restrictions are somewhat controversial many people think it shouldn t be that way and some people interpret various documents differently unfortunately discussions of it on the net inevitably seem to produce more heat than light and probably belong in misc legal computing see disclaimer what about rpem rpem stands for rabin privacy enhanced mail it was similar to ripem but used a public key cipher invented by rabin which is not rsa in an attempt to avoid the patent on rsa it was written by mark riordan the same author as ripem its distribution was halted when contrary to the beliefs of many including rabin public key partners pkp claimed that their patent was broad enough to cover any public key cipher whose strength rested in the difficulty of factoring products of large primes not just rsa this claim is not universally accepted by any means but was not challenged for pragmatic reasons rpem is not really used anymore it is not compatible with ripem or pgp what is mime mime stands for multipurpose internet mail extensions and is described in rfc you can find out about it in the newsgroup comp mail mime how pem should interact with mime is not yet entirely clear some people use the stopgap solution of having a mime type application x ripem in order to send ripem messages as mime ones i hope some standards will emerge draft internet documents exist on the matter i have this simple way to defeat the security of ripem you may wish to check the companion post ripem attacks which discusses some of the more obvious attacks on ripem s security and what procedures will minimize the risk ripem s main weak area is probably key distribution
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ripem frequently asked questions archive name ripem faq last update mar about this posting this is a listing of likely questions and information about ripem a program for public key mail encryption it this faq not ripem was written and will be maintained by marc vanheyningen mvanheyn cs indiana edu it will be posted to a variety of newsgroups on a monthly basis follow up discussion specific to ripem is redirected to the group alt security ripem what s new i am now running a world wide web archive of ripem information it does not contain much of anything that isn t available elsewhere but it has convenient pointers to the most current version of this faq and some other stuff the url is http cs indiana edu ripem dir html this month s version has a fair amount of new pointers to information on patents and stuff like that i ve also reordered a few things to have a more sensible ordering i hope i don t have to edit this again soon disclaimer nothing in this faq should be considered legal advice or anything other than one layperson s opinion if you want real legal advice talk to a real lawyer preferably one with experience in patent law export regulations or whatever area of law is in question list of questions what is ripem how can i get ripem will ripem run on my machine will ripem work with my mailer what is rsa what is des what is a fingerprint like md what is pem what s this about distributing and authenticating keys isn t it a bad idea to use patented algorithms in standards like pem what about rsadsi pkp why do all ripem public keys look very similar what is pgp what about rpem what is mime what is tis pem i have this simple way to defeat the security of ripem questions and answers what is ripem ripem is a not yet complete but useful implementation of privacy enhanced mail pem ripem allows your electronic mail to have the four security facilities provided by pem disclosure protection optional originator authenticity message integrity measures and non repudiation of origin always see what is pem ripem was written primarily by mark riordan mrr scss cl msu edu most of the code is in the public domain except for the rsa routines which are a library called rsaref licensed from rsa data security inc the current version of ripem is the current version of the macintosh port of ripem is how can i get ripem ripem uses the library of cryptographic routines rsaref which is considered munitions and thus is export restricted from distribution to persons who are not citizens or permanent residents in the u s or canada without an export license no such license has been obtained nor would one likely be granted unless the rsa key exchange were shortened to bits and the symmetric cipher changed to something weaker than des there are some suggestions that this situation may change now that clinton is in office the author requests in the readme file that this law not be violated please do not export the cryptographic code in this distribution outside of the usa or canada this is a personal request from me the author of ripem and a condition of your use of ripem note that rsaref is not in the public domain and a license for it is included with the distribution you should read it before using ripem ripem is available via anonymous ftp to citizens and permanent residents in the u s from rsa com cd to rsaref and read the readme file for info note that the non rsaref portion of ripem is not a product of rsa data security incorporated they merely are helping distribute it ripem as well as some other crypt stuff has its home site on ripem msu edu which is open to non anonymous ftp for users in the u s and canada who are citizens or permanent residents to find out how to obtain access ftp there cd to pub crypt and read the file getting access for convenience binaries for many architectures are available here in addition to the full source tree will ripem run on my machine probably it has already been ported to ms dos and most flavors of unix sunos next linux aix ultrix solaris etc ports to macintosh include a standard unix style port and a rather nice mac like port written by raymond lau author of stuffit more ports are expected and help of users is invited will ripem work with my mailer probably how easy and clean the effective interface is will depend on the sophistication and modularity of the mailer though the users guide included with the distribution discusses ways to use ripem with many popular mailers including berkeley mush elm and mh code is also included in elisp to allow easy use of ripem inside gnu emacs if you make a new interface for ripem or create an improvement on one in the distribution which you believe is convenient to use secure and may be useful to others feel free to post it to alt security ripem what is rsa rsa is a crypto system which is asymmetric or public key this means that there are two different related keys one to encrypt and one to decrypt because one cannot reasonably be derived from the other you may publish your encryption or public key widely and keep your decryption or private key to yourself anyone can use your public key to encrypt a message but only you hold the private key needed to decrypt it note that the message sent with rsa is normally just the des key to the real plaintext see what is des note that the above only provides for disclosure protection for originator authenticity message integrity and non repudiation of origin services to be implemented the fingerprint of the message see what is a fingerprint like md is encrypted with the sender s private key the recipient or a dispute resolving authority can use the sender s public key to decrypt it and confirm that the message must have come from the sender and was not altered rsa was named for the three men rivest shamir and adleman who invented it to find out lots more about rsa and modern cryptography in general ftp to rsa com and look in pub faq some information also may be in sci crypt what is des des is the data encryption standard a widely used symmetric or secret key crypto system unlike rsa des uses the same key to encrypt and decrypt messages however des is much faster than rsa ripem uses both des and rsa it generates a random key and encrypts your mail with des using that key it then encrypts that key with the recipient s public rsa key and includes the result in the letter allowing the recipient to recover the des key des is sometimes considered weak because it is somewhat old and uses a key length considered too short by modern standards however it should be reasonably safe against an opponent smaller than a large corporation or government agency it is not likely that the pem standard will incorporate support for other symmetric ciphers in the near future because there is a strong feeling that pem should be stable so it can become utilized widely without early problems with interoperability what is a fingerprint like md md is a message digest algorithm produced by rsa data security inc it provides a bit fingerprint or cryptographically secure hash of the plaintext it is cryptographically secure because it is not possible in a reasonable amount of computation to produce a different plaintext which produces the same fingerprint thus instead of signing the entire message with the sender s private key only the md of the message needs to be signed for authentication md s can also be exchanged directly for authentication for example ripem public keys include an md of the public key in the file so parties wishing to confirm their keys are authentic via a separate channel merely need exchange md s of keys and verify their accuracy md is sometimes used for other purposes for example it is often used to map an input of arbitrary length to bits of data as a passphrase interpreter or cookie generator md is described in its entirety including an implementation in c in rfc there have been some recent suggestions that md may not be as strong a hash as was originally believed presumably some other hash function will be used if this is accepted as true what is pem pem is privacy enhanced mail a standard for allowing transfer of encrypted electronic mail generated over a long period of time by a working group of experts it is described in rfcs these documents have been approved and obsolete the old rfcs ripem is not really a complete implementation of pem because pem specifies certificates for authenticating keys which ripem does not handle at this time their addition is planned what s this about distributing and authenticating keys for a remote user to be able to send secure mail to you she must know your public key for you to be able to confirm that the message received came from her you must know her public key it is important that this information be accurate if a bad guy convinces her that his key is in fact yours she will send messages which he can read ripem allows for three methods of key management a central server the distributed finger servers and a flat file all three are described in the ripem users guide which is part of the distribution none of them provide perfect security the pem standard calls for key management by certificates the addition of this feature to ripem is planned but chicken egg issues still exist isn t it a bad idea to use patented algorithms in standards like pem this issue has been considered in the standards process rfc the specification for internet standards has a discussion section on what specifications for nondiscriminatory availability must be met for a patented method to be included in a standard rfc addresses this issue with regard to the patents covering public key cryptography this does not of course mean that all questions are settled or that everyone is in agreement an interesting exchange on the use of patented algorithms in standards with regard to public key cryptography is in the league for programming freedom archive available via ftp ftp uu net doc lpf in the files bidzos letter and bidzos response amusingly the lpf files on ftp uu net are compressed with a patented algorithm what about rsadsi pkp rsa data security inc rsadsi is a california based company specializing in cryptographic technologies public key partners is a firm which holds exclusive sub licensing rights of the following u s patents and all of their corresponding foreign patents cryptographic apparatus and method diffie hellman no public key cryptographic apparatus and method hellman merkle no cryptographic communications system and method rsa no exponential cryptographic apparatus and method hellman pohlig no pkp claims these four patents cover all known methods of public key cryptography the two businesses are rather closely related for example the same person jim bidzos is president of both of them pkp has licensed this technology to a considerable number of companies ibm dec motorola at t lotus for use in their products pkp has also threatened and filed lawsuits defending their patents ripem was originally created with no connection to rsadsi other than its use of the rsaref library and for no reason other than its author s desire to see widespread use of public key cryptography however after the ball started rolling people at rsadsi got interested rsadsi decided to carry ripem on its ftp site and some people there started making their own ripem keys and contributing code ripem even won the best application built on rsaref in award why do all ripem public keys look very similar ripem public keys begin with a pkcs public key cryptography standards identifier describing various characteristics about the key so the first bunch of characters in your key may be the same as those of lots of other people s keys this does not mean your keys are similar but only that they are the same class of key were generated with the same program are of the same length etc what is pgp pgp is another cryptographic mail program called pretty good privacy pgp has been around longer than ripem and works somewhat differently pgp is not compatible with ripem in any way though pgp does also use rsa a few major differences between pgp and ripem pgp has more key management features particularly for users without a direct network connection ripem conforms to the pem rfcs and thus has a greater probability of working with other pem software pgp makes no attempt to be compatible with anything other than itself ripem uses rsaref a library of rsa routines from rsadsi which comes with a license allowing noncommercial use pgp uses its own implementation of rsa pkp claims that it is a violation of its patents to make use or sell pgp in the u s or canada without either a license or written permission see disclaimer see what about rsadsi pkp phil zimmermann the author of pgp stopped distributing it after being threatened with legal action he believed that a licensing scheme could be arranged but it hasn t happened and there seems little prospect of it happening in the future he acknowledges in the pgp user s guide in fact if you live in the usa and you are not a federal agency you shouldn t actually run pgp on your computer because public key partners wants to forbid you from running my software pgp is contraband both pgp and ripem are export restricted and cannot be sent outside the u s and canada without an export license however pgp already exists on many ftp sites in europe and other places whether you use pgp or ripem or whatever the documentation to pgp is recommended reading to anyone interested in such issues unfortunately it s not distributed separately from the program which can be difficult to find in the u s on ftp sites due to liability concerns what about rpem rpem stands for rabin privacy enhanced mail it was similar to ripem but used a public key cipher invented by rabin which is not rsa in an attempt to avoid the patents on public key systems it was written by mark riordan who later wrote ripem its distribution was halted when contrary to the beliefs of many including rabin pkp claimed that their patents were broad enough to cover the cipher employed this claim is not universally accepted but was not challenged for pragmatic reasons rpem is not really used anymore it is not compatible with ripem or pgp what is mime mime stands for multipurpose internet mail extensions and is described in rfc you can find out about it in the newsgroup comp mail mime a faq exists on it how pem should interact with mime is not yet entirely clear some people use the stopgap solution of having a mime type application x ripem in order to send ripem messages as mime ones i hope some standards will emerge draft internet documents exist on the matter what is tis pem trusted information systems is working on a version of privacy enhanced mail for general availability last i heard it was rumored to be integrated into an existing mail user agent mh rather than a stand alone system and in beta test i don t know much more than that i have this simple way to defeat the security of ripem you may wish to check the companion post ripem attacks which discusses some of the more obvious attacks on ripem s security and what procedures will minimize the risk ripem s main weak area is probably key distribution
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ripem frequently noted vulnerabilities archive name ripem attacks last update mar some possible attacks on ripem this is a living list of potential weaknesses to keep your eyes open for when using ripem for secure electronic mail it does not go into great detail and is almost certainly not exhaustive obviously many of the weaknesses are weaknesses of cryptographically secured mail in general and will pertain to secure mail programs other than ripem it is maintained by marc vanheyningen mvanheyn cs indiana edu it is posted monthly to a variety of news groups followups pertaining specifically to ripem should go to alt security ripem cryptanalysis attacks breaking rsa would allow an attacker to find out your private key in which case he could read any mail encrypted to you and sign messages with your private key rsa is generally believed to be resistant to all standard cryptanalytic techniques even a standard key about bits with ripem is long enough to render this impractical barring a huge investment in hardware or a breakthrough in factoring breaking des would allow an attacker to read any given message since the message itself is encrypted with des it would not allow an attacker to claim to be you des has only bits in its key and thus could conceivably be compromised by brute force with sufficient hardware but few agencies have such money to devote to simply read one message since each message has a different des key the work for each message would remain high key management attacks stealing your private key would allow the same benefits as breaking rsa to safeguard it it is encrypted with a des key which is derived from a passphrase you type in however if an attacker can get a copy of your private keyfile and your passphrase by snooping network packets tapping lines or whatever he could break the whole scheme the main risk is that of transferring either the passphrase or the private key file across an untrusted link so don t do that run ripem on a trusted machine preferably one sitting right in front of you ideally your own machine in your own home or maybe office which nobody else has physical access to fooling you into accepting a bogus public key for someone else could allow an opponent to deceive you into sending secret messages to him rather than to the real recipient if the enemy can fool your intended recipient as well he could re encrypt the messages with the other bogus public key and pass them along it is important to get the proper public keys of other people the most common mechanism for this is finger assuming the opponent has not compromised routers or daemons or such finger can be given a fair amount of trust the strongest method of key authentication is to exchange keys in person however this is not always practical having other people vouch for you by signing a statement containing your key is possible although ripem doesn t have features for doing this as automatically as pgp ripem does generate and check md fingerprints of public keys in the key files they may be exchanged via a separate channel for authentication playback attacks even if an opponent cannot break the cryptography an opponent could still cause difficulties for example suppose you send a message with mic only a pem mode which does not provide disclosure protection to alice which says ok let s do that your opponent intercepts it and now resends it to bob who now has a message which is authenticated as from you telling him to do that of course he may interpret it in an entirely different context or your opponent could transmit the same message to the same recipient much later figuring it would be seen differently at a later time or the opponent could change the originator name to himself register your public key as his and send a message hoping the recipient will send him return mail indicating perhaps even quoting the unknown message to defeat playback attacks the plaintext of each message should include some indication of the sender and recipient and a unique identifier typically the date a good front end script for ripem should do this automatically imho as a recipient you should be sure that the originator name header and the sender indicated within the plaintext are the same that you really are a recipient and that the message is not an old one some this also can and should be automated the author of this faq has made a modest attempt at automating the process of generating and checking encapsulated headers the programs are included in the standard distribution in the utils directory local attacks clearly the security of ripem cannot be greater than the security of the machine where the encryption is performed for example under unix a super user could manage to get at your encrypted mail although it would take some planning and effort to do something like replace the ripem executable with a trojan horse or to get a copy of the plaintext depending how it s stored in addition the link between you and the machine running ripem is an extension of that if you decrypt with ripem on a remote machine which you are connected to via network or worse yet modem an eavesdropper could see the plaintext and probably also your passphrase ripem should only be executed on systems you trust obviously in the extreme case ripem should only be used on your own machine which you have total control over and which nobody else has access to which has only carefully examined software known to be free of viruses and so on however there s a very real trade off between convenience and security here a more moderately cautious user might use ripem on a unix workstation where other people have access even root access but increase security by keeping private keys and the statically linked of course executable on a floppy disk some people will keep ripem on a multi user system but when dialing in over an insecure line they will download the message to their own system and perform the ripem decryption there however the security provided by such a mechanism is somewhat illusory since you presumably type your cleartext password to log in you ve just given away the store since the attacker can now log in as you and install traps in your account to steal your private key next time you use it from a less insecure line this will likely remain the situation as long as most systems use the rather quaint mechanism of cleartext password authentication i find it nice to put a brief statement of how carefully i manage my security arrangement in my plan next to my public key so that potential correspondents can be aware what level of precautions are in place some people use two keys a short one which is not carefully managed for ordinary use and a longer one which is treated with greater care for critical correspondence untrusted partner attacks ripem s encryption will ensure that only a person with the private key corresponding to the public key used to encrypt the data may read the traffic however once someone with that key gets the message she may always make whatever kind of transformations she wishes there exist no cryptographic barriers to a recipient say taking an encrypted message and converting it to a mic only message signed by you and readable by anyone although ripem does not provide this functionality indeed the latest pem draft i have seen specifically states that such transformations should be possible to allow forwarding functions to work including the recipients in the plaintext as mentioned above will make it possible for recipients of a redistributed message to be aware of its original nature naturally the security of the cryptography can never be greater than the security of the people using it
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certifying authority question answered if you have access to ftp try ftping to rsa com login as anonymous there are several documents there including a frequently asked questions about today s cryptography document it has faq in its name i believe this document explains the idea behind the certifying authorities good luck john kelsey c mizzou missouri edu thanks i ve ftp ed the faq file and it is just what i was looking for jim miller suite com
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rubber hose cryptanalysis some sick part of me really liked that phrase actually merely the threat of a long prison sentence even without a beating can get most people to give in especially if it s also punctuated with a trip to the county jail where one just happens to get locked up with all the drunk stoned crazy folks that are too violent to be left in cells with other people
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declassifying media there are many urban legends maybe this ought to be in the crypt faq about what is actually sufficient to clear or declassify magnetic media when used for classified data here is some information from the horse s mouth regarding the sufficient overwriting of media clearing meant to be retained within the controlled environment or declassifying the material to be reused outside the controlled environment from national telecommunications and information systems security ntiss advisory memorandum on office automation security guidelines ntissam compusec clearing of magnetic media certain types of removable media e g magnetic tape floppy disk cassettes and magnetic cards may be cleared by overwriting the entire media one time with any one character floppy disks may be cleared by applying a vendor s formatting program that overwrites each location with a given character fixed media e g winchester disks should be cleared by overwriting at least one time with any one character one way to do this is by applying a vendor supplied formatting program that overwrites each location on the disk with a given character if it can be shown that this program actually works as advertised the user should beware some programs that purport to overwrite all locations do not actually do this cleared media may be resides within the controlled facility or released for destruction however they should be marked and controlled at the level of the most restrictive sensitivity of information ever recorded declassification of magnetic media certain types of removable media can be declassified using a degaussing device that has been approved for declassifying media of that type a list of approved devices is maintained by the nsa if a fixed medium for example a hard or winchester disk is operative an approved method of declassifying the disk pack is to employ an overwrite procedure which must overwrite all addressable locations at least three times by writing any character then its complement e g binary ones and binary zeros alternatively when fixed media become inoperative it is impossible to declassify the media by the overwrite method in this case there are two alternate procedures that may be used disassemble the disk pack and degauss each platter with the appropriate approved degaussing equipment and courier the inoperative media to the vendor s facility have the magnetic media e g disk platter removed in sight of the courier and returned to the courier for destruction at the secure site the vendor can then install new platters and repair any other problems with the disk unit destruction of magnetic media see dod computer security center department of defense magnetic remanence security guideline csc std for official use only this and many other interesting documents many that are more informative than probably intended on computer security procedures can be obtained free from executive secretary national telecommunications and informations systems security committee national security agency fort george g meade md write them it s fun to be on the nsa s mailing list grady netcom com ef e ad d d c f fc ac f d f e f
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re hard drive security for fbi targets from res colnet cmhnet org rob stampfli separate locations to gain credibility if they are seized and you are compelled to decrypt it you simply explain that you are an amateur cryptologist playing around with one time pads and that the first file is the pad for the second they xor the two files and sure enough out pops a copy of war and peace so judging from recent history at this point they drop the original charges preemptively find you guilty of copyright violations and seize your computer your home and your financial reserves under federal forfeiture laws ah no what really happens is that they turn up at the court with another file which when exored with your document gives up the famous e document and i tell you some judges would fall for it g
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re disk safety measure begin pgp signed message in article pq re gc network ucsd edu loki sdphu ucsd edu lance m cottrell writes btw i have not been able to get pgp to produce a signature that i can attatch to the end of this message what is the procedure thanks try pgp sat clearsig on this will do the clearsig signing enjoy derek pgp key available upon request on the key server pgp public keys toxicwaste mit edu derek atkins mit electrical engineering and computer science secretary mit student information processing board sipb mit media laboratory speech research group warlord mit edu pp asel n nwh
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re pgp general comments neuhaus vier informatik uni kl de stephan neuhaus hiwi mattern writes lots of stuff i hate to follow up to my own posting but i should perhaps clarify some things so i won t get flamed first of all when i m talking about factoring the modulus or a breakthrough in factoring what i really mean is a breakthrough in the cryptanalysis of rsa i know that factoring and breaking rsa are not proven to be equivalent it s just so damn convenient not to repeat this every time i also have to admit that i don t really know if the non group property of a cipher is essential only for key chaining i have thought about it a little while but i can t find a way that a cryptanalyst could exploit a group structure that of course means nothing at all then i wrote please note that as long as it is much harder to factor a rsa modulus than it is to generate it the increase in computer speed alone will keep key lengths and modulus factoring in lock step i e people will simply start using longer moduli and still be safe what i meant was that as long as the only advantage of the cryptanalyst is a faster computer then we will probably have rsa for a long time to come because even if bit moduli somehow could be broken with fast computers not with a new algorithm then people would simply use longer moduli both users and cryptanalysts benefit from better technology in the same way hope this keeps the flames away have fun stephan neuhaus informatik uni kl de sig closed for inventory please leave your pickaxe outside pgp public key available on request note the expiration date
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licensing this thread brings up the more general question can any crypto implementation for which highly publicly scrutinized source code is not available ever be trusted after ibm had invented the des and the nbs had advertised for proposals but before ibm had decided to respond i argued strenuously that they should not they should keep it proprietary the biggest proponent of proposing was dr lewis branscomb dr branscomb was the ibm chief scientist and had come to ibm from nbs fortunately for all of us dr branscomb understood the answer to the above question much better than i he realized how difficult it would be to gain acceptance for any cryptographic mechanism because of the necessary complexity publicity would not be sufficient and neither would authority in fact it has taken both of those plus more than years we have also had independence the des was solicited by nbs invented and proposed by ibm and vetted by nbs it has also been examined and vetted by experts like adi shamir who are not subject to influence by any of these even now there are still people posting on this list who do not trust the des in spite of all the time all of the analysis and all of the public scrutiny of course it is just this point that nist misses when it attempts to gain acceptance for a novel mechanism developed in secret on the basis of authority alone we had a long thread here about whether or not the nsa can break the des that is a silly question at some cost and in some time they can break anything the important question is at what cost and in what time the fundamental strength of the des and rsa are not nearly so important as what we know about their strength as long as we understand the cost and duration for an attacker then we can use them in a safe way at this point we may never replace either because of the inability of any successor to overcome this knowledge gap des and rsa are among the most significant inventions of the century and the most important inventions in the history of cryptography we are damned lucky to have them william hugh murray executive consultant information system security locust avenue suite new canaan connecticut att wmurray whmurray at dockmaster ncsc mil
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re licensing of public key implementations with regard to your speculations on nsa involvement in the creation of pkp i find that it fails the test of occam s butcher knife never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by forthright greed hilarie orman
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re identifying securing files in article bb f c mash boulder co us rmashlan mash csn org robert mashlan writes tarnold vnet ibm com todd w arnold said in article almaden ibm com it s ok as long as you trust the end user to stay out of your application program or as long as it runs in a system where the user can t get to it otherwise you can t stop him from finding the load a module code in your program and simply bypassing the check for a valid module the devious user can either modify the object code before running the program or he can run the program under a debugger and change the instructions in memory there is a way to foil debuggers by clearing the single step interrupt on which a debugger depends every few instructions in the sensitive areas of the code this assumes the person is using the hardware debug instruction of an x type processor it can be negated by nop ing the clear debug instruction or by running the code on a machine simulator like one i wrote as a senior project in college it can bypass and trace practically anything one could write in software kind of like being on a star trek holideck kenneth ng please reply to ken eies njit edu for now all this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting on someone s table j l picard st tng
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lga ncrypt source i got a number of requests for code so here it is its written in x asm borland tasm will do tasm lga asm tlink t lga asm the code lga ncryption c by nick nassuphis code segment assume cs code ds code org h start jmp begin gas particle assigment bit particle moving east bit particle moving west bit particle moving north bit particle moving south bit particle moving east bit particle moving west bit particle moving north bit particle moving south collisiong rules gas rules if e w and n s then e w n s if n s and e w then n s e w for nibbles and for bytes reflection rules just swap bits along directions this look up table implements two particle collisions for the hpp lattice gas hpprule db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b 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implements the velocity reversal needed to run the gas evolution in reverse its called a wallrule because its the same as is all particles hit a wall head on wallrule db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b db b maxbyte equ lineno equ srcptr dw offset buffer desptr dw offset buffer savebuff db maxbyte lineno dup buffer db maxbyte lineno dup db dup buffer db maxbyte lineno dup db dup data db db db db this is a test for a lattice gas based encryption db algorithm the data is encoded as particles of a db digital gas whose time evolution is then simulated db with a cellular automaton type algorithm decryption db can be achieved by running the simulation in reverse db a thermodynamic argument ensures that even if a single db bit is flipped no decryption of the data is possible db db after the gas is let to evolve for timesteps db one can either run the reverse evolution by pressing db space or flip a bit and then run by pressing db db for a cryptographic application the key would consist db of the number of time steps and the time and location db of specific bit inversions db db db db db fill the gas with a piece of code initgas mov di cs srcptr mov si offset data mov cx lineno ig push di push cx mov cx maxbyte ig mov al cs si mov cs di al inc si inc di loop ig pop cx pop di add di maxbyte loop ig mov si cs srcptr mov di offset initgas mov cx maxbyte mov al lg mov byte ptr cs si al not al inc si loop lg ret display gas molecules bouncing around showgas push es push si push di push cx push bx mov ax b h mov es ax mov si cs srcptr mov di mov cx lineno add si maxbyte sg push cx push di mov cx maxbyte sg mov al cs si mov byte ptr es di al inc si add di dec cx jnz sg pop di pop cx add di loop sg pop bx pop cx pop di pop si pop es ret cs si sourse of data cs di destination of data scanonemiddleline first byte is a special case because of warparound mov bl al is the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte north is one line up lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh or them into the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte south is one line down higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh place the stuff into al mov bh cs si maxbyte west is one byte left lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh cs si east is one byte right higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh mov al byte ptr cs bx offset hpprule mov cs di al inc si inc di middle bytes can be handled in a loop mov cx maxbyte sol mov bl al is the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte north is one line up lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh or them into the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte south is one line down higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh place the stuff into al mov bh cs si west is one byte left lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh cs si east is one byte right higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh mov al byte ptr cs bx offset hpprule mov cs di al inc si inc di loop sol last byte is also special mov bl al is the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte north is one line up lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh or them into the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte south is one line down higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh place the stuff into al mov bh cs si west is one byte left lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh cs si maxbyte east is one byte right higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh mov al byte ptr cs bx offset hpprule mov cs di al inc si inc di ret cs si sourse of data cs di destination of data scanfirstline first byte is a special case because of warparound mov bl mov bh cs si maxbyte lineno and bh b and at bits and or bl bh or them into the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte and bh b and at bits and or bl bh place the stuff into al mov bh cs si maxbyte west is one byte left lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh cs si east is one byte right higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh mov al byte ptr cs bx offset hpprule mov cs di al inc si inc di middle bytes can be handled in a loop mov cx maxbyte sfl mov bl al is the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte lineno and bh b and at bits and or bl bh or them into the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte and bh b and at bits and or bl bh place the stuff into al mov bh cs si west is one byte left lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh cs si east is one byte right higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh mov al byte ptr cs bx offset hpprule mov cs di al inc si inc di loop sfl last byte is also special mov bl al is the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte lineno and bh b and at bits and or bl bh or them into the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte and bh b and at bits and or bl bh place the stuff into al mov bh cs si west is one byte left lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh cs si maxbyte east is one byte right higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh mov al byte ptr cs bx offset hpprule mov cs di al ret cs si sourse of data cs di destination of data scanlastline first byte is a special case because of warparound mov bl al is the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte and bh b and at bits and or bl bh or them into the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte lineno and bh b and at bits and or bl bh place the stuff into al mov bh cs si maxbyte west is one byte left lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh cs si east is one byte right higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh mov al byte ptr cs bx offset hpprule mov cs di al inc si inc di middle bytes can be handled in a loop mov cx maxbyte sll mov bl al is the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte and bh b and at bits and or bl bh or them into the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte lineno and bh b and at bits and or bl bh place the stuff into al mov bh cs si west is one byte left lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh cs si east is one byte right higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh mov al byte ptr cs bx offset hpprule mov cs di al inc si inc di loop sll last byte is also special mov bl al is the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte and bh b and at bits and or bl bh or them into the assembled byte mov bh cs si maxbyte lineno and bh b and at bits and or bl bh place the stuff into al mov bh cs si west is one byte left lower and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh cs si maxbyte east is one byte right higher and bh b and at bits and or bl bh mov bh mov al byte ptr cs bx offset hpprule mov cs di al inc si inc di ret invert all velocities in the gas invertall push bx push cx push si mov si cs srcptr mov bx mov cx lineno ia push cx mov cx maxbyte ia mov bl cs si mov al byte ptr cs bx offset wallrule mov cs si al inc si loop ia pop cx loop ia pop si pop cx pop bx ret iterateonce mov si cs srcptr mov di cs desptr mov cs srcptr di mov cs desptr si push si push di call scanfirstline pop di pop si add si maxbyte add di maxbyte mov cx lineno dont scan first and last l push si push di push cx call scanonemiddleline pop cx pop di pop si add si maxbyte add di maxbyte loop l push si push di call scanlastline pop si pop di l ret iterate hpp rule cx times iterate push cx call iterateonce pop cx call showgas loop iterate ret iterate hpp rule cx times iterateuntil mov si mov cx offset iu offset iu iu mov al byte ptr cs si offset iu xor byte ptr cs si offset iu al inc si loop iu iu call iterateonce call showgas mov si cs srcptr mov cx maxbyte mov bx mov ah mov al iu mov bl byte ptr cs si mov dl byte ptr cs bx wallrule not ah xor dl ah and al dl inc si loop iu mov si mov cx offset iu offset iu iu mov ah byte ptr cs si offset iu and ah al xor byte ptr cs si offset iu ah inc si loop iu jmp iu iu mov ax offset iu push ax ret db dup h iu push ax push bx push cx push dx push ds mov ah mov dx cs msgptr int h pop ds pop dx pop cx pop bx pop ax ret db dup h msgptr dw offset msg msg db this message is printed out by db code decrypted using data from the lattice db which was applied to the decoding routine db after every time step db the decoding function left the code unchanged db except after the gas evolution had completelly db reversed the thermalization times equ repetitions are enough to equilibrate the gas begin mov ax h mov bh mov dh mov dl mov cx int h mov ah mov bh mov dh mov dl int h call initgas call showgas mov ah int h push cx mov cx times call iterate call invertall call showgas mov ah int h cmp al jne begin mov si cs srcptr xor byte ptr cs si b begin mov cx times call iterateuntil call invertall call showgas mov ax c h int h code ends end start
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re illegal wiretaps was denning s trust in article ppg i k bigboote wpi edu ear bigwpi wpi edu mr neat o tm writes it is apparently quite easy to get hold of a person s calling records through the phone company police and some lawyers are able to acquire such information without any warrant or judicial supervision whether or not the target is suspected of specific crimes pardon me but isn t this very illegal i was under the impression that a warrent is needed to get this information out of the phone company in order to protect people s privacy legal or not i ve seen it done phone records were obtained in order to establish probable cause rather than as a result of it in other words for a fishing expedition a local worcester ma police officer i spoke with only a couple of nights ago told me that they usually only subpeona the phone companies records in extreme conditions because it s so much of a hassle and does the phone company require written subpoena able evidence of probable cause in order to process the request i suggest that the officer was disinterested in pursuing your case even if you could prove the offender had called you at a certain time your chances of winning a harassment suit on the strength of this evidence are nil my contact with several people who have dealt with cases of extreme phone harassment several thousand calls in one case teaches me that police in this area are quite lethargic about pursuing such matters tal
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re licensing of public key implementations strnlght netcom com david sternlight writes i will provide one hint it is reported that rsa expressed puzzlement at their conference that nobody has asked for permission to use ripem to write a pgp compatible program this actually supports bill s speculation if there is a backdoor in rsaref and if pkp is supported secretly by the nsa then it is more than natural that they will welcome any public key implementation that uses rsaref and will strongly oppose themselves against any implementation that doesn t i personally cannot see how one could put a backdoor in a long precision modular arithmetic library that comes in source but of course the fact that i cannot see it means nothing regards vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university of hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public key available on request vogt koelln strasse rm c e mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de d hamburg germany
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re opinions of rc alg markowitz dockmaster ncsc mil writes it is interesting to note in this regard that permission to export pkzip s encryption scheme has twice been denied by nsa draw you own conclusions uh i m afraid that your information is slightly out of date pkware has obtained a license to export their program to the whole world except a very limited list of countries draw your own conclusions about the strength of the algorithm regards vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university of hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public key available on request vogt koelln strasse rm c e mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de d hamburg germany
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re disk safety measure cuffell spot colorado edu tim cuffel writes there is no guarantee that the deleted space would be overwritten during optimization likely but no guarantee a quicker and more secure method would be a batch file that overwrote all of your free space for example fill bat echo out fill bat this is off the top of my head include std disclaimer h it is much easier faster and probably even more secure to use norton utilties i m talking ibm pc here and to tell wipeinfo to a clean the free disk space and b clean the slack space at the end of the files use to government standard option for more careful overwriting regards vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev virus test center university of hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public key available on request vogt koelln strasse rm c e mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg de d hamburg germany
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licensing this actually supports bill s speculation if there is a backdoor in rsaref and if pkp is supported secretly by the nsa then it is more than natural that they will welcome any public key implementation that uses rsaref and will strongly oppose themselves against any implementation that doesn t my speculation does not include or depend upon a trapdoor in rsaref i do not believe that rsa would consent to such however there are other limitation in the concept of rsaref in which nsa has an interest it has an interest in a limited number of implementations i e targets it has an interest in fixed key or maximum modulus size it has a legitimate literally right to pursue such interests within bounds it probably has a right to pursue those interests by covert means at least it has the same right as the rest of us not to disclose all of its motives and intentions institutions are not self aware they do not know their intentions in any meaningful sense william hugh murray executive consultant information system security locust avenue suite new canaan connecticut att wmurray whmurray at dockmaster ncsc mil
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re looking for one way trap door password encryption etc algorithms michael levin wrote i am looking for references to algorithms which can be used for password encryption i e someone has a clear text word runs it through the algorithm and it becomes some other sequence of symbols i want this algorithm to have the property that it is a next to impossible to reverse and b would take too long to try all possible words to see which one works even by use of a high speed computer please send references or ideas to mlevin husc harvard edu the original one way encryption i put into multics about as suggested by joe weizenbaum was invertible an air force tiger team demonstrated this to me in may i then asked an expert who requested anonymity what i should use instead the expert s suggestion was to treat the byte password as both key and data for the lucifer encryption algorithm which is similar or identical to des this method or something stronger should take care of a issue b is discussed in comp security misc longer passwords and quality control on what users can choose as passwords are the common tactics tom vanvleck taligent com
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re hard drive security for fbi targets cme ellisun sw stratus com carl ellison writes for example if i had a program on my disk which created totally random files looking like encrypted messages and could demonstrate that the file in question could have been created by that program then my claim that it was in fact created by that program must stand as true since i m innocent unless someone can prove me wrong hmmm that brings up a neat idea unfortunately it s sooo neat i think i ought to patent it so i can t tell you about it sorry bill copyright william s yerazunis aka crah the merciless all rights reserved no responsibility taken i love the smell of flash powder in the morning it smells like like theatre
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re hard drive security for fbi targets in article apr ucsu colorado edu cuffell spot colorado edu tim cuffel writes how about this i create a bunch of sets of random data and encrypt it i keep only one of the sets of random data around to show that i encypt random data for kicks the rest i delete with their keys i tell all my friends i think this establishes reasonable doubt about the contents of any encrypted files and my ability to provides keys since anyone could do this any law that forces a user to provide keys on demand is worthless the law is much worse than worthless it gives police the power to put innocent people in jail because they the police find something they don t understand most police don t know what the return key does never mind the difference between a core file and classified military secrets there are plenty of scenarios where the user would have no idea what something is either it could be uninitialized junk the burden of proof is on the user to show that it s something a normal upstanding citizen should have no one should ever be put in that situation especially in america what s disgusting about this is how easily most people go along with it to provide a bargaining chip against some hypothetical alleged child molester or drug dealer or whatever bad thing is in style at the time basically most people don t have a clear distinction between criminals and suspects as an analogy it s like they find a loose screw in your house and they insist that you re building a bomb or machine gun they ask you where it came from like you d know and ask you to prove your claim when you explain it in such simple terms people may start to get the idea as a matter of fact i do keep random files on my disk the reason is without special purpose hardware it takes a long time to generate good random bits i have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute which is pretty conservative but over time that s more than i need if you think about it there s no point in actually encrypting random data because it just gives you different random data if you want some data to look like an encrypted file you just put an appropriate header on it if enough people do this some of them will be put in jail when you get arrested and the police ask for your keys you can tell them it s just random junk although of course they won t believe you while you re sitting in jail you can take consolation in the fact that the government will burn a few cpu years trying to find something that s not there joe keane amateur cryptologist jgk osc com uunet amdcad osc jgk
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re hard drive security for fbi targets in article osc com joe keane jgk osc com writes as a matter of fact i do keep random files on my disk the reason is without special purpose hardware it takes a long time to generate good random bits i have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute which is pretty conservative but over time that s more than i need sounds like a useful program interested in posting it to alt sources g
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re hard drive security in article m c fkj rpi edu antonh rpi edu writes say can anyone send my info on how to encrpyt a hard disk ps i would also like know the consequences of those types of actions if i so chose to do them in the future in this country and european countries people have been encrypting notes in their notebooks for hundreds of years maybe over a thousand it s a long tradition dating at least back to the alchemists i know of nothing bad happening to them i would assume that nothing bad would happen to you given this long history establishing encryption as the property of individuals to do with as they please disclaimer all opinions expressed are my own of course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m bkw tel fairbanks boulevard marlborough ma fax
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re licensing of public key implementations in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu jebright magnus acs ohio state edu james r ebright writes i guess we will have to wait for the time in the far future when everyone uses such good crypto that the nsa has no job then the agency will be disbanded and its files opened after the approprate historical delay you ve overlooked a fundamental truth both headcount and budget of any government agency are monotonic increasing functions given that truth you need to look for what the agency can do to occupy all those people and spend all that money when crypto is unbreakable perhaps they could talk the world s telephone companies into making equipment they could break into and tap maybe they could convince people that distributed computing was a good idea so that even the internal state of a process would be available for access by wiretapping maybe disclaimer all opinions expressed are my own of course carl ellison cme sw stratus com stratus computer inc m bkw tel fairbanks boulevard marlborough ma fax
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re hard drive security for fbi targets rja cl cam ac uk ross anderson writes in article apr ucsu colorado edu cuffell spot colorado edu tim cuffel writes this suggests a new pc security product design approach first fill the hard drive with random files and files encrypted under a number of known keys then whenever a new secret file is created you delete a random file and replace it with real encrypted data new non secret files are encrypted under a known key better yet instead of thrashing around on the dos file system take it a step further write yourself a minimal file system program that is used to create delete files en decrypt them to ramdisk list a directory put the util password protected on a floppy the catch is that the storage space used by this util is not part of the dos file system instead defrag your disk thus packing all allocated clusters into clusters n then use the back end of the partition to hold your stealth file system or leave a small nd partition on the disk that is not assigned to dos another approach might be to use a directory that contains a set of invariant files dos system files for instance due to dos allocating a minimum storage unit of a cluster there is unused physical space on the disk between the tail end of each file and the end of its associated cluster these dead spaces could be concatenated and used to hold your stealth file system now you have a situation where no encrypted data appears on your disk at all ray berry kb ht ray ole cdac com rjberry eskimo com compuserve com
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re source of random bits on a unix workstation in article pivot sbi com bet sbi com bennett todd salomon brothers inc ny writes this came up because i decided to configure up mit magic cookie security for x r for this to work you need to stick some bits that an intruder can t guess in a file readable only by you which x client applications read they pass the bits back to the server when they want to establish a connection what i settled on was grabbing a bunch of traffic off the network basically i ran etherfind u x greater compress and skipped over k of output then grabbed my bits as best i can tell these are bits that can be expected to be reasonably uniformly distributed and quite unguessable by an intruder for your application what you can do is to encrypt the real time clock value with a secret key
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re source of random bits on a unix workstation in article c ja s a cs psu edu so eiffel cs psu edu nicol c so writes in article pivot sbi com bet sbi com bennett todd salomon brothers inc ny writes this came up because i decided to configure up mit magic cookie security for x r for this to work you need to stick some bits that an intruder can t guess in a file readable only by you which x client applications read they pass the bits back to the server when they want to establish a connection what i settled on was grabbing a bunch of traffic off the network basically i ran etherfind u x greater compress and skipped over k of output then grabbed my bits as best i can tell these are bits that can be expected to be reasonably uniformly distributed and quite unguessable by an intruder for your application what you can do is to encrypt the real time clock value with a secret key for a good discussion of cryptographically good random number generators check out the draft ietf security randomness txt internet draft available at your local friendly internet drafts repository a reasonably source of randomness is the output of a cryptographic hash function e g md when fed with a large amount of more or less random data for example running md on dev mem is a slow but random enough source of random bits there are bound to be bits of entropy in the tens or hundreds of megabytes of data in a modern workstation s memory as a fair amount of them are system timers i o buffers etc ji
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re fifth amendment and passwords in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu ashall magnus acs ohio state edu andrew s hall writes i am postive someone will correct me if i am wrong but doesn t the fifth also cover not being forced to do actions that are self incriminating e g the police couldn t demand that you silently take them to where the body is buried or where the money is hidden but they can make you piss in a jar and possibly provide dna semen and hair samples or to undergo tests for gunpowder residues on your hand btw that was why the chemical engineer arrested in the wtc explosion thrust his hands into a toilet filled with urine as the cops were breaking down the door the nitrogen in the urine would mask any residue from explosives i found it interesting the news reported his acts but not his reasons somewhere perhaps a privacy group they discussed the legal ramifications of using a password like i shot jimmy hoffa and his body is in a storage locker in camden a while back the impression i got was that real judges would dismiss arguments that this password is self incrimination as first year law school sophistry the fact that you use a statement for a password has no bearing on the veracity of that phrase you are not being asked to incrimidate yourself e g where did you bury the body you are being asked to provide information necessary to execute a legal search warrant refusing to provide the password is akin to refusing to provide a key to a storage locker except that they could always force their way into the locker of course that doesn t mean you have to help them understand what they find or point out things they overlooked in their search bear giles bear fsl noaa gov
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what is going on in article qhc p d transfer stratus com cme ellisun sw stratus com carl ellison writes in article apr mnemosyne cs du edu rwebb nyx cs du edu russell webb writes call me paranoid but this is the same kind of scare story which dorothy denning was citing while calling for the limitation of cryptography i doubt that dd is behind this but i suspect that the fbi and maybe nsa are behind dd and those agencies could easily be mounting a nationwide campaign with our tax dollars to build up public outcry against digital communication especially against unbreakable encrypted communication what s going on here haven t you read any of noam chomsky s works a widely used information net outside the control of the right people is unthinkable hundreds of billions of dollars will be spent to wipe it out sorry regulate and order it once the major media and poitical powers wake up to the efect it can have if you can t be bothered reading get the video manufacturing consent paul
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