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panther s president as i promised i would give you the name of the panther s president after huizenga announced the team name he announced that bill torrey is named the first president of the panthers a little bio from sun sentinel torrey the architect of four consecutive stanley cup champions as persident and general manager of the new york islanders throughout his years in the nhl bill torrey s bow ties have become as much of a signature as andre agassi s hair the panthers will introduce a uniform insignia and ticket price information in early next month in the meantime huizenga leaves the day to day operation in the hands of torrey and bob clarke the vp and gm the florida panthers was chosen as the name of south florida s nhl team to focus attention on an endangered species there are to florida panthers in the everglades national park the big cypress national preserve and other parts of southwestern florida the panther is the quickest striking of all cats torrey said hopefully that s the way we ll play on ice more bio in torrey huizenga has the first man hired by the expansion islanders in and the one most responsible for guiding the islanders to four consecutive stanley cup championships their first after only eight seasons and consecutive winning seasons as executive vice president of the california golden seals torrey watched the seals go to the play offs in only their second nhl season i guess this completes my own personal hat trick said torrey a native of montreal but a resident of bear lakes country club in palm beach jim g other accounts gorycki sol cse fau edu jimg cybernet cse fau edu i repeat myself when under stress i repeat myself when under stress i repeat myself when under stress i repeat myself when under stress i repeat adrian belew indicipline
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pens playoff radio coverage was re radio stations in article ragraca vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu randy a graca writes greanias texas mitre org steve greanias writes i can give you a couple in detroit wjr will be broadcasting at least the first couple of games of the wings toronto series and since they broadcast at watts you may be able to pick it up after dark where you are at the pittsburgh penguins games used to be broadcast on kdka but i don t know whether they will be pre empted by baseball and moved to another station or not you can try those if the local baseball teams aren t playing at the same time anyway according to this morning s post gazette the pens will be carried by kdka radio am unless the pirates are playing when the pirates play the games will be carried by wdve fm wdve will carry games starting with tonight s game in fact after this season kdka will no longer be the flagship station for the pens the penguins and kbl have struck a new deal regarding the tv and radio rights to the games it seems more than likely that wdve will be the flagship radio station next season kbl will carry games on tv with of the games to be simulcast on kdka tv the remaining games as well as some of the early round playoff games will be available by subscription tv only to receive the games you ll have to pay a one time hook up fee and then a monthly fee of dollars also under the new deal there will no longer be radio tv simulcasts there will be a tv broadcast team and a radio broadcast team no word on who the announcers will be mike lange and paul steigerwald are both under contract with kdka but their contracts expire at the end of this season kbl president bill craig said he d like to hire lange and steigerwald lori contact for the penguins lli cs cmu edu
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wirtz is a weenie so what s the deal with bill wirtz apparently the blackhawks st louis game was a standing room only sell out as usual but the hawks reported the attendace as gee i wonder if wirtz is planning to use this as justification for continuing to keep home games off of tv what a schmuck in other tv news the penguins announced yesterday that they will have fewer broadcast tv games and will have games on some sort of subscription pay per view system yuck ralph
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re nhl team captains in article apr iastate edu njdevils iastate edu cire y trehguad writes anna matyas am x andrew cmu edu wrote michael collingridge writes and while we are on the subject has a captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated wasn t ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh and rick tochett was the captain of the flyers when traded to the pens recently and of course mike ramsey was at one time the captain in buffalo prior to being traded to pittsburgh currently the penguins have former captains and real captain lemieux playing for them they rotate the a s during the season and even the c while mario was out even troy loney has worn the c for the pens jay john w huber jr aka jay penguins stanley cup champions software engineering institute pirates nl east champions sei mastercraft the only boat for skiing
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re thumbs up to espn in article apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charles achkar writes it was nice to see espn show game between the wings and leafs since the cubs and astros got rained out instead of showing another baseball game they decided on the stanley cup playoffs a classy move by espn what did you leave the room each of the or so times they said that there were no other night baseball games every break they took back at the studio mentioned it followed by so we re gonna show you hockey instead my wife and i are hoping for rain at every baseball game they have a feed for tommorrow night point is be glad they showed hockey but if baseball was available anywhere else you can bet you would ve watched baseball last night pete clark
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travesty at the joe louis detroit april in a development that shocked most knowledgable observers the detroit redwings scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en route to a win over the best team in the nhl the toronto maple leafs the leafs could not be faulted as they completely dominated the inferior detroit squad and clearly deserved to win only the biased officiating of andy van hellemond and the idiots that insisted upon throwing an octopus on the ice at every stoppage in an obvious attempt to distract the superior visiting side prevented an all out massacre of the wings by the league s best team alan p s this is sweet roger so sweet i look forward to the next installment on wednesday night i trust you do too
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re who picks first in article apr epas toronto edu sclark epas utoronto ca susan clark writes according to the fan here in t o ottawa has won the daigle e sweepstakes they didn t mention why but san jose had more goals than the sen sens so i have a hunch this is why ottawa would pick first if i m not mistaken san jose had more wins than ottawa first tiebreaker in the nhl is always most wins alan
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re abc coverage anna matyas am x andrew cmu edu wrote antonio pera writes i loved the abc coverage the production was excellent the appearance was excellent it had a sleek modern look this was the first time i heard thorne clement i thought they were great my only request is to leave al micheals out of this he annoys me i was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the coverage i was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting back to the puck boy everyone has been ripping on espn s hockey coverage or is it just pittsburgher s who are thrilled with lange steigy for all of you who are unaware espn bought the air time from abc and did all the production advertising sales commentating etc and even reaped any made enjoy caleb
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looking for boxscores i am looking for all the boxscores of any nhl team for some personal research can someone help me michel arsenault
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re div and conf names in apr newshub ists ca dchhabra stpl ists ca deepak chhabra writes however that aside the real question is whether you like the idea of changing the names based on the reasons given for it making it easier for the casual fan or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names based on individuals who do deserve the honour imo the latter is a nice and unique touch that differs from other sports in addition i do not think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of people that are interested in hockey so it s a pointless exercise anyway there are several problems with the way the game is being presented to the fans i feel that geographical names would enhance regional loyalties more than names honouring personages and of course they would not appear nearly as confusing to one approaching the sport for the first time another thing that bothers me is the points system percentages as used in the other major sports are clearly more informative when i look at the nhl standings the first thing i have to do is make a quick calculation to account for games in hand which is almost always the case some will object to percentages claiming perhaps that it is an americanization of the sport but i feel that using percentages is more informative and whether it is american or not is irrelevant if the current names are inappropriate then that is a separate issue not central to the original article something to consider additionally is whether or not players like orr who contributed to the glory of the sport would have been able to do so without an organized professional league to play in in this case honouring builders of the league as opposed to builders of the sport becomes a chicken and egg type question although it was the chicken even if orr couldn t have contributed without the likes of norris you would have to agree that norris couldn t have contributed without the likes of orr and taking a poll of most fans would quickly tell you who the fans feel made the more meaningful contribution exactly true naming divisions and trophies after smythe and the bunch is the same kind of nepotism that put stein in the hall of fame i have always thought that this was nonsense dunno if the stein comparison is justifiable since it doesn t look as though his unanimous acceptance to the hall will hold up it doesn t look as if the division names are going to hold up either does it cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time
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re nhl team captains and of course mike ramsey was at one time the captain in buffalo prior to being traded to pittsburgh currently the penguins have former captains and real captain lemieux playing for them they rotate the a s during the season and even the c while mario was out even troy loney has worn the c for the pens i had heard perhaps incorrectly that while lemieux was out noone wore a c on their jersey the as took turns doing captain duties whatever they are scott scott marks launchpad unc edu scott marks launchpad unc edu the opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the university of north carolina at chapel hill the campus office for information technology or the experimental bulletin board service internet launchpad unc edu or
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re nhl team captains anna matyas am x andrew cmu edu wrote wasn t ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh no in what still imho ranks as the all time greatest pr blunder not to mention on ice blunder the whalers ever committed gm eddie johnston and coach rick ley decided that francis was incapable as a leader and stripped him of the captain s c in december of the whole organization read ej and ley and by default owner richard gordon because he was too much of a dupe to know how much he was being blind sided by ej dumped on francis all season starting with refusing to sign him to a new contract publicly humiliating him stripping him of the c and then trading him that spring to the penguins classy guy that ej the loss of francis and too a lesser extent ulf was one of a series of decimating player moves by ej which stripped the personality and fan awareness from the team that has put them in the precarious position they are in today gratuitous good ej note he did preside over the organization when it acquired verbeek cassels sanderson poulin nylander etc he stripped the roster but he did lay a foundation sg a real live hartford whalers season ticket holder steveg cadkey com
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the most average player in the nhl and now i interrupt your regularly scheduled news reading to bring you another message sponsored by the department of really mundane statistics i passed the final individual player stats posted here the other day through a filter to average out games goals assists points and penalty minutes for the mythical average nhl pro who played in the league this season why because it s monday and i didn t feel like writing any real code anyway after i wiped out the odd goalies in the list i came up with nhl average gp g a pts pim then i passed the list through a second time to come up with the players who had the smallest percentage difference in each of the categories marty mcinnis nyi gp g a pts pim igor kravchuk edm gp g a pts pim these two are close in games goals assists and points but are too far off in pim this leaves as the most average player in the nhl bobby carpenter was gp g a pts pim what an honor i also passed the list through with the goalies still included kravchuk and carpenter were still in the top three but rob dimaio came flying up from behind to take the title nhl average gp g a pts pim igor kravchuk edm gp g a pts pim bobby carpenter was gp g a pts pim rob dimaio tb gp g a pts pim it s all really kind of underwhelming when you think about it sg and now back to our regularly scheduled programming
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re nhl team in milwaukee charlie betz cbetz romulus cray com writes after reading some of the reports of possible nhl moves to milwaukee or that milwaukee should have an nhl team i thought i d pass along a story i heard recently this is second hand so i don t know how true it is but i have no reason to doubt it either bradley center in milwaukee is home to the milwaukee admirals minor leauge hockey team the owner of the admirals sorry i can t remember his name either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the bradley center lloyd pettit supposedly he was approached by the nhl about an expansion franchise but turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of million was too high like i said i don t know whether this story is true or just a rumor but if it s true don t look for an nhl team in milwaukee anytime soon the admirals aren t going to be forced out of the building and you won t see an nhl club and a minor league club in the same building especially since the nba s milwaukee bucks play there as well yes it is true that he refused to buy a franchise from the nhl for m but at the time the reason was that the established market for teams was much less than that he felt that no one would pay m for an expansion team and that he would simply wait to buy an existing franchise for less than that but the market fooled him and teams have been created for m apiece in the last three years and even the existing teams can t be moved for less than m and i doubt that he could get one for that little pettit gambled and lost now he ll have to pay more sg
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re possible canadian wc team this is an all point team for the canadian nhlers who are not playoff bound centers geoff sanderson hartford sanderson will be on team canada but he d be out of position as a center although he was drafted as a center and played there as a rookie sanderson scored goals this season as a left wing sg
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re wc results april gerald olchowy golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca writes podein is an interesting case because he was eligible to play in cape breton in the ahl playoffs like kovalev zubov and andersson obviously sather and pocklington are not the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be certainly in this case they ve massively outclassed paramount and the new york rangers what is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus wc i know that the rangers are holding back kovalev zubov and andersson for binghamton but i also know that the whalers wanted michael nylander to play for springfield while nylander wanted to play for sweden the whalers allowed the nhl to decide and the nhl chose the wcs how does this differ from the rangers and oilers did the whalers have to go through the league or could they have forced nylander to play in springfield sg
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re tie breaker isles and devils rex wang wangr vccsouth its rpi edu spews forth stupidly are people here stupid or what it is a tie breaker of cause they have to have the same record how can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker if it is a tie breaker how can there be different record man i thought people in this net are good with hockey i might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can t believe people actually put win as first in a tie breaker please please please tell me that you don t actually attend rensselaer and that you just work for its or that this was tounge in cheek does this mean that i should be cutting off my alumni contributions or increasing them sg
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re nhl team captains in article apr samba oit unc edu scott marks launchpad unc edu scott marks writes and of course mike ramsey was at one time the captain in buffalo prior to being traded to pittsburgh currently the penguins have former captains and real captain lemieux playing for them they rotate the a s during the season and even the c while mario was out even troy loney has worn the c for the pens i think that mike foligno was the captain of the sabres when he got traded to the leafs also wasn t rick vaive the captain of the leafs when he got traded to chicago with steve thomas for ed olcyzk and someone speaking of the leafs i believe that darryl sittler was their captain he d torn the c off his jersey but i think he re claimed the captaincy later on when he was traded to the flyers oh yeah of course gretzky was the captain of the oilers before he was traded wasn t he gary
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nhl summary parse results for games played mon april toronto detroit first period detroit yzerman gallant ciccarelli toronto cullen clark gill second period detroit sheppard probert coffey pp detroit burr racine sh detroit chiasson coffey pp detroit howe yzerman drake toronto gilmour borschevsky ellett pp third period detroit racine primeau drake toronto lefebvre cullen pearson detroit power play special goals pp sh total scorer g a pts burr chiasson ciccarelli coffey drake gallant howe primeau probert racine sheppard yzerman toronto power play scorer g a pts borschevsky clark cullen ellett gill gilmour lefebvre pearson winnipeg vancouver first period vancouver adams linden bure pp vancouver craven bure murzyn winnipeg steen shannon housley pp second period no scoring third period winnipeg king barnes vancouver linden courtnall mclean vancouver ronning courtnall vancouver power play scorer g a pts adams bure courtnall craven linden mclean murzyn ronning winnipeg power play scorer g a pts barnes housley king shannon steen
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re travesty at the joe louis in article apr mtroyal ab ca caldwell mtroyal ab ca writes detroit april in a development that shocked most knowledgable observers the detroit redwings scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en route to a win over the best team in the nhl the toronto maple leafs not only that but if i m not mistaken detroit scored goals on their first five shots on net looks like toronto s cream cheese run continues or is that swiss cheese after watching potvin i m leaning towards the latter bill
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re tie breaker isles and devils in article lrw f rpi edu wangr rpi edu writes are people here stupid or what it is a tie breaker of cause they have to have the same record how can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker if it is a tie breaker how can there be different record man i thought people in this net are good with hockey i might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can t believe people actually put win as first in a tie breaker i didn t see any smilies in this message so w t l pts team a team b there you go two teams that tie in points without identical records
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request for video in pittsburgh area there was apparently a minute special here on the penguins season on abc wtae channel immediately preceding the opening game against the devils on sunday i only turned it on in time to watch the credits if anyone taped it and is willing to let me borrow it to dub it i would appreciate it i would be willing to come pick it up and i ll return it the next day and buy you a beer please respond via e mail thanks a lot oh yeah was it any good billy
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re bay area media wings leafs coverage in article dreier apr durban berkeley edu dreier durban berkeley edu roland dreier writes the san francisco bay area media is reporting tonight that the detroit red wings beat the toronto maple leafs can someone who is not part of the media conspiracy against the leafs tell me how the game really went i am expecting a win for the leafs shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and a goal and assists for gilmour if the leafs really lost how many penalties did whichever biased ref was at the game have to call against the leafs to let the red wings win thank you very much roland dreier dreier math berkeley edu sorry to disappoint you but the red wings earned the victory easily i watched most of the game on espn as soon as i realized that they were televising the game which was at the beginning of the second the maple leafs were flat very flat meanwhile the red wings were skating very freely and dictating the pace of the game i didn t detect any bad penalty calls van hellemond did his usual good job toronto looked like how i expected them to for their first playoff game in a few years nervous for the leafs sake i hope they can rid themselves of the butterflies for game if game is indicative of the series it s gonna go quick tom galvin galvint taurus cs nps navy mil
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re schedule in article netnews upenn edu kkeller mail sas upenn edu keith keller writes in article qup linnotb master cs rose hulman edu swartzjh rosevc rose hulman edu writes does anyone have the games espn will be airing this week hopefully the detroit toronto game tongiht i though abc did a decent job by getting some f king no hockey games televised nationally tonight what the hell is this why the hell is espn showing some stupid baseball game when baseball is not even three weeks into the season and hockey is in the playoffs no wait i know the answer but still it really pisses me off to no end they better start putting some more f cking games on or they will never make any money off of the deal that brought hockey back to espn aargh not that i d watch anyway but hockey needs all the publicity it can get keith keller let s go rangers let s go quakers kkeller mail sas upenn edu ivy league champs a cow is not a vegetarian dish keith keller you obviously don t understand how tv scheduling works espn had prior contracts to baseball to show monday night games and had contracted all the other bs shows well in advance the nhl tv deal was very late in the scheduling process you normally have to do this one plus year out the nhl package was finished two weeks before the season started espn has shown tremendous commitment to the nhl by squeezing in extra telecasts when it could like the last minnesota game and putting stanley cup games as backup to their baseball telecasts which by favorable circumstances they could pull off last night but the bottom line is that espn cannot break contracts at will they must honor the previous deals they made does have something to do with it especially if you risk a lawsuit for breach of contract with baseball so relax i m happy i don t get sportschannel anyway tom galvin galvint taurus cs nps navy mil
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west coast nhl playoff games us easterners who have newspapers with editors unsympathetic to playoff pools often don t get summaries from west coast games since they finish too late at night for the morning edition i and i m sure others too would greatly appreciate it if scoring summaries of west coast playoff games could be posted to this group right away basically all we need are goal scorers and assists don t bother with times penalties shots etc this would make a lot of pool obsessed people very happy i guess with the senators out golfing now the local papers have lost interest thanks kd
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nhl playoff results for games played nhl playoff results for conference semi finals best of seven patrick adams norris smythe nj buf leads stl leads win pit leads bos chi van leads nyi mon tor la leads was leads que leads det leads cal toronto maple leafs detroit red wings leads series st period det yzerman gallant ciccarelli tor cullen clark gill nd period det sheppard probert coffey pp det burr racine sh det chiasson coffey pp det howe yzerman drake tor gilmour borschevsky ellett pp rd period det racine primeau drake tor lefebvre cullen pearson powerplay opportunities maple leafs of red wings of shots on goal maple leafs red wings toronto maple leafs potvin shots saves detroit red wings cheveldae shots saves att winnipeg jets vancouver canucks leads series st period van adams linden bure pp van craven bure murzyn win steen shannon housley pp nd period none rd period win king barnes van linden courtnall mclean van ronning courtnall powerplay opportunities jets of canucks of shots on goal jets canucks winnipeg jets essensa shots saves vancouver canucks mclean shots saves att spike
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series game kings flames los angeles kings notes and game reports kings calgary flames the third place kings opened the stanley cup playoffs in calgary against the second place flames and came out with an impressive victory in front of a non sellout crowd of at the saddledome in calgary symthe division playoff hockey this was both teams seemed a bit tense in the opening period though the kings scored off the opening face off the kings got into the flow of the game much earlier than the flames as they played out standing team defense it took the flames of the first period to record their first shot on goal the kings ranked th of the playoff teams on penalty killing shut down the flames the flames went on the power play and could record only shot on goal in those opportunities the kings had their problems on the power play yet they did manager to score goals in tries the kings forwards back checked while the defense stood the flames up at the blue line allowing the kings to take took the home ice advantage away from the flames rob blake missed the game due to the lower back contusion but is ex pected to be in the lineup on wednesday wayne gretzky suffered a charlie horse in his right leg he took a few shifts in the second period before retiring to the dressing room for the rest of the game interviewed on the radio this morning he stated that he was fine and would be in the lineup on wednesday st period the kings got things started right off the opening face off gretzky won the draw with the puck going to sydor he crossed center ice and slapped the puck into the flames zone and behind the net the puck carried around to the far side where robitaille wacked at it and the rebound bounced to sandstrom he put the puck behind the flames net where gretzky picked it up gretzky set up in his office moved to the near side and passed into the near circle where sydor had moved in sydor who got the puck between the face off dot and the hash mark shot off the pass beating vernon low and between the legs millen and fleury went off at skrudland went off at but the kings failed to convert carson went off at and the flames failed to convert dahlquist went off at and dahl went off at giving the kings a second on which they failed to convert the kings recorded goal posts in the period nd period the kings opened with a on carried over from the st period which they failed to convert on with seconds left in the on vernon put a bouncing puck into the stands and received a delay of game calgary evened the score on the ensuing kings power play kurri with the puck in the neutral zone tried to put the puck into the flames zone but it hit the stick of fleury and bounced to suter at the flames blue line suter skated down the near wing and into the kings zone he faked a shot at the circle and skated around kurri as he cut thorugh the crease he got hrudey to go with him and he put the puck behind hrudey on his stick side for a short hander the kings reclaimed the lead seconds later on the same power play shuchuk in the far circle passed to sydor at the top of the slot and headed for the net sydors shot hit shuchuk in the back and dropped into the low slot where kings shuchuk and granato were being checked by flames carson came from the far corner picked up the loose puck and snapped a wrist shot between the legs of vernon from feet above the crease the kings widened their lead just seconds later rychel was checked off the puck at the flames blue line taylor picked up the puck and sent a pass cross the slot to huddy huddy shot off the pass from the near face off dot beating a diving vernon on the glove side later the kings had a goal lead mcsorley took a shot form the near point that hit a flame and deflected towards the boards marty got his own rebound skated to the bottom of the circle and sent a pass into the low slot that hit dahlquist on the leg and deflected past the stick of vernon skrudland went off at but the kings could not convert sydor went off at and watters went off at giving the flames a second but they failed to convert mcsorley went off at and the flames had consecutive power plays but the flames killed it themselves when suter went off for high sticking at sandstrom went off at to close out the period the kings hit goal post in the period rd period the kings used the phrase initiate not retaliate and it was very evident here in the rd period as the kings continued to pound the body and the flames continued to take bad penalties to take themselves out of the game the kings extended their lead to goals at the mark the kings shot the puck into the near corner of the flames zone vernon went behind the net to cut off the puck but he could not control it donnelly who was behind him wacked at the puck sending it into the low slot as vernon slid back in to the crease granato got a shot that hit a flame and bounced to the left of the net where millen fired the rebound behind vernon sydor went off at nieuwendyk went off at as the teams skated on otto skating down the far side stepped around mcsorley cut to the net and passed to dahlquist in the low slot dahlquist cut through the top of the crease and put the puck in under a diving hrudey carson and rychel came in on a when carson passed across to rychel fleury tripped rychel with no call the puck got shoveled into the far corner where fleury knocked rychel down and checked him from behind into the boards drawing a minute major and a game misconduct at the mark unfortunately the kings squandered the minute power play when granato at and watters at took penalties the flames closed to within at the mark macinnis at the near point passed to yawney at the far point he took a few strides towards the net wound up and drove a shot off the near post and in over the glove of hrudey the play started on another faceoff that the kings lost timeout la macinnis took a penalty at and the kings converted on the power play to seal the victory sandstrom skating down the far wing in the flames zone cut towards the back of the net just as he crossed the goal line he passed the puck into the low slot on the far side to carson who shot off the pass beating vernon on the ice stick side at the mark skrudland went off for slashing and stern went crazy as he went after shuchuk stern wound up with a double minor for roughing a single minor for cross checking and a minute misconduct and he took the flames right out of the game on the plus side the kings for the most part played very disciplined hockey as they let calgary retaliate the kings played good team defense and excellent penalty killing on the minus side the kings lost almost every face off this must improve or the flames will surely get that power play back on track notes the kings recalled guy leveque brandy semchuk and jim thomson from phoenix wayne gretzkys st period assist was his th career playoff point the kings entered the game th in the league in shots per game against giving the opposing team an average of 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murray as gm was wings will win in article apr sol uvic ca gballent hudson uvic ca writes in article vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu randy a graca writes are predicting although i think bryan murray is probably the best gm i have ever seen in hockey how do you figure that when bryan murray took over the wings they were a pretty good team that was contending for the stanley cup but looked unlikely to win it now they are a pretty good team that is contending for the stanley cup but looks unlikely to win it a truly great gm would have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon of the nhl and maybe win the stanley cup a good gm like murray can i think murray has done a great job he s picked up ciccarelli sheppard ysebaert howe coffey and riendeau plus some depth players without giving up anything the wings needed or any of his top prospects all of this in three years has anyone done better the year before he took over the wings didn t even make the playoffs there was about a year and a half during demers stint that the wings did ok but that was due to demers motavational skills and clutch and grab style they didn t have much talent gerald murray wasn t responsible for primeau although i m not ready to admit that s a horrible pick they hired him after the draft which has never made sense to me his first pick was lapointe ron and one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about i m getting bored reading the same problems in the paper decade after decade i want people to have to deal with new problems president bill clinton
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re wings will win in article ragraca vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu randy a graca writes i also think that they will have a hard time with pittsburgh if they face them in the finals which is what all the detroit sportswriters are predicting although i think bryan murray is probably the best gm i have ever seen in hockey i m not as impressed with his abilities as a bench coach or in general as a motivator with the amount of talent he has on this team he should have blown away everyone in the norris there is not another team in the norris maybe even in the campbell conference that can hold a candle to detroit on paper in terms of pure talent but some guys have not been pulling their weight at times this year scotty bowman on the other hand who has won i think correct me if i m wrong nine stanley cups is an outstanding coach and i think he could outcoach murray if they faced each other bryan murray has done very little as gm yzerman fedorov cheveldae chaisson the whole russian strategy was a product of the previous gm murray has made a couple of decent trades that s about it that would hardly rank him as the best gm wasn t primeau murray s first decision as gm gerald
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re wc results april in article apr iscnvx lmsc lockheed com spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockheed com mark spiegel writes according to the sj murky news the team usa roster is names and teams played for in listed goalies forwards tony amonte new york rangers ted drury harvard univ rob gaudreau san jose sharks craig johnson univ of minnesota jeff lazaro ottawa senators mike modano minnesota north stars ed olczyk new york rangers derek plante univ of minnesota duluth shion podein edmonton oilers david sacco boston university darren turcotte new york rangers doug weight edmonton oilers it looks like the edmonton oilers just decided to take a european vacation this spring ranford tugnutt benning manson smith buchberger and corson are playing for canada podein and weight are playing for the us is kravchuk playing for the russians i know he had nagging injuries late in the season podein is an interesting case because he was eligible to play in cape breton in the ahl playoffs like kovalev zubov and andersson obviously sather and pocklington are not the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be certainly in this case they ve massively outclassed paramount and the new york rangers gerald
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re nhl team captains michael collingridge writes and while we are on the subject has a captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated wasn t ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh mom rick tocchet was captain of the flyers for several years before he was traded to the pens john santore we break the surface tension with our wild kinetic dreams rush grand designs go philadelphia flyers john santore jsbh andrew cmu edu rush yes king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesis w gabriel
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re sharks kingston fired in article apr leland stanford edu terry garfield stanford edu terry wong writes i think that jack ferreira s firing eventually led to kingston s firing you mention consistency of vision i think the sharks lost that with the loss of ferreira there has never been a headed g m that has ever worked you need one person making the personnel decisions at the top not management by committee the conventional wisdom from around the league is that ferreira would have made the moves that would have fielded a better product on the ice how exactly would ferreira accomplished this the three headed gm ship has taken a lot of heat but nobody s explained how things would have been any different had ferreira still been there would ferreira have made more trades who would have he had traded would he have made fewer trades who should not have been traded sherri nichols snichols adobe com
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re wings will win in article vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu randy a graca writes gballent hudson uvic ca greg ballentine writes in article vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu randy a graca writes i also think that they will have a hard time with pittsburgh if they face them in the finals which is what all the detroit sportswriters are predicting although i think bryan murray is probably the best gm i have ever seen in hockey how do you figure that when bryan murray took over the wings they were a pretty good team that was contending for the stanley cup but looked unlikely to win it now they are a pretty good team that is contending for the stanley cup but looks unlikely to win it a truly great gm would have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon of the nhl and maybe win the stanley cup a good gm like murray can maintain the team s success but can t push them to the next level when jacques demers brought the wings to the conference finals twice a few years back he had everyone on the team giving percent but he had very little talent he had yzerman bob probert who had drinking problems at the time and a couple of decent goaltenders in hanlon and stefan who got hot that s about it can you name one player on those earlier teams who even deserved to be in the all star game much less actually got there other than yzerman and probert like petr klima give me a break when they faced edmonton in both of those conference finals as hard as they played it was clear they faced a team that simply had superior talent to the wings that s why they could not get to the finals also at that time the norris division was still the weakest division in hockey and getting past chicago and toronto was not as impressive as it is today murray has brought scoring talent to the wings that they did not have a few years ago when devellano was gm and demers was coach to name a few ysebaert kozlov and paul coffey who has made a definite positive impact on the power play especially murray has built one of the most talented teams in hockey at the present with the possible exception of the pittsburgh penguins the wings have at least five goal scorers that i can think of and a couple of defenseman with over games worth of playoff experience murray s one failing is that unlike the other gm s you mentioned who are definitely also good don t get me wrong he has not found for himself a strong coach to motivate the team to go out and give percent for the full minutes every night like they did the last time they made a cup run when a team wins or loses it s a reflection of the gm and the coach which was the point of my original post if the team outmatches their opponent in terms of talent but loses anyway which has been the case this year when the wings have struggled that indicates that the gm has done his job in building up the team but the coach has failed to motivate them if as in the case of the last run the wings made in the playoffs before murray came they gave opponents a hard time who should have beaten them easily that indicates good coaching making up for a lack of talent all of this is fine i never said that murray was a bad gm i merely said that he isn t the best gm in hockey or even a contender for that honor if murray is as great as you claim the wings would have won the stanley cup by now probably more than once if he was as great a gm as you claim and he was as poor a coach as you claim he would have been intelligent enough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success but murray is an average unspectacular nhl coach and a pretty good gm so none of this is true anyway gregmeister
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re ron francis matthew rush writes is there an award for best back up behind a hockey great underneath all the hype about lemieux stevens jagr ulf etc ron francis has quietly put together a point season goals and assists in games that was probably the best acquisition the penguins have made since getting lemieux apologies to rick tocchet who has had a hell of a year himself the pens got just the right person at just the right time when they got francis before the playoffs two years ago to back up mario who was the second line center before they got francis i remember randy gilhen who really plays tough an ace in the face off circle but nobody with all the skills francis has scoring passing winning face offs and putting into every game every night just wanted to glow a little i know what you mean i glow everytime ronnie s out on the ice in fact one of the neatest things about seeing the pens in person is that i can key in on him instead of watching what i d probably be seeing on tv he does so many subtle things behind the play he said in an interview recently that when he was a kid his dad stressed the importance of playing two way hockey that you have to learn how to play defense as well as offense and he obviously took that advice to heart he was a breath of fresh air when he arrived in pittsburgh to the team whose forwards for the most part couldn t and wouldn t play a lick of defense it s really difficult to assess what the key trades were that brought all of this success to the pens you mention rick tocchet and he has certainly helped and even ol kjell has been steady but looking at this team you could almost take any one of them out of the line up permanently and replace them with an extremely mediocre player and it wouldn t matter if i had to pick the top three acquisitions in recent years they would be tom barrasso ron francis larry murphy i d love to put francis first but i do think the only thing that could really damage the pens right now would be to lose barrasso mom
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re don cherry coach s corner summary april on apr in don cherry coach s corner user allan sullivan cs ualber writes next a clip was shown from an earlier episode in which don was proclaiming doug gilmour to be the best player not only in the nhl but in the world what about players like lemieux don said that gilmour was the best player not designated point getter its not like baseball where you have a designatted hitter who can score runs but can t play defense gilmour is a good two way player this clip was shown on local news in pittsburgh last night kdka complete with animated sarcasm by the sportscaster it s the second time cherry has been shown on local pittsburgh news in the last couple of weeks both times he was blasting lemieux jim murawski sr software engineer office administrative computing and fax information services jjm andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university office ucc forbes avenue pittsburgh pa le mieux le magnifique soixante six claude non there are days until clinton clinocchio leaves office too many
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re don cherry coach s corner summary april in article allan swanlake allan cs ualberta ca allan sullivan writes next a clip was shown from an earlier episode in which don was proclaiming doug gilmour to be the best player not only in the nhl but in the world what about players like lemieux don said that gilmour was the best player not designated point getter its not like baseball where you have a designatted hitter who can score runs but can t play defense gilmour is a good two way player what can you expect from a buffoon who said that the pens should have drafted kirk muller instead of mario lemieux perhaps once upon a time don cherry had some insight into the game of hockey but he s really degenerated into a parody of himself sherri nichols snichols adobe com
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re nords habs in o t we was robbed in article apr vm mcgill ca jbe jbe musicb mcgill ca writes aargh paul stewart is the worst and most biased ref presently in the nhl he called a total of penalties on the habs and one on the nordiques the nords penalty came in o t stewart being an ex nordique himself was looking to call penalties on the habs while letting the nords get away with murder we was robbed no patrick roy is the reason the game was lost and ron hextall is the reason quebec won everybody said it would come down to goaltending that goaltending was the key etc etc well the key doesn t quite fit if you re montreal the dionne penalty was kind of a cheesy call but let s face it he literally left his feet to throw an elbow blaming stewart is just an excuse to avoid facing the fact that roy allowed what was one of the worst goals he could possibly allow he even saw the whole shot dammit besides stewart evened things up a bit by calling a quebec penalty in ot montreal played a solid game although they still don t know how to clear traffic in front of the net the loss of schneider will hurt even more normally i would say that any team that blows a goal lead with less than five let alone two minutes to go in regulation time in a playoff game especially needs to be smacked upside their collective heads but i don t think this was a team loss although keane should have been able to clear the zone just prior to the first quebec goal roy is paid big money to play he looked like a player in an industrial league on sakic s shot demers should start racicot in the next game if not that he should let the damn team read the papers for the next day or two and maybe this article if possible patrick roy collapsed after letting in the tieing goal he was shaky and on his knees for the rest of the night the winning goal shouldn t have gone in i didn t think the wrap around was as bad as the second goal i also didn t think scott young should have gotten around the defender can t remember who in the first place but you are correct it shouldn t have gone in regardless oh well at least the bruins lost in o t also ha ha yep moog looked bad on mogilny s goal with five seconds left in the second imo how about neely though holy shit what a player speaking of great players man oh man can quebec skate i haven t seen a team so potent on the rush in a long time watching them break out of their zone especially sundin is a treat to watch they remind me of the red army but i still hate the team on the rest of the games didn t st louis winning goal come on a powerplay penalties will cost chicago dearly especially against detroit same goes for calgary very very undisciplined when marty mcsorely is waving guys to the bench to avoid fights you know something s up new jersey was overmatched terreri s heroics notwithstanding mario is unbelievable and jagr for some reason shows up in the playoffs but i hate that team anyway dchhabra stpl ists ca pissed off habs fan
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re atlanta hockey hell in article fovj i wb miumht andrew cmu edu mamatha devineni ratnam mr andrew cmu edu writes well it s not that bad but i am still pretty pissed of at the local abc coverage they cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing stuff deleted ok here s the solution to your problem move to canada yesterday i was able to watch four games the nj pitt at on abc la cal at cbc buff bos at tsn and fox and mon que at cbc i think that if each series goes its max i could be watching hockey playoffs for some odd consecutive nights i haven t counted so that s a pure guess i have two tv s in my house and i set them up side by side to watch mon que and keep an eye on bos buff at the same time i did the same for the two afternoon games btw those abc commentaters were great i was quite impressed they seemed to know that their audience wasn t likely to be well schooled in hockey lore and they did an excellent job they were quite impartial also imo dchhabra stpl ists ca not suffering from a shortage of hockey here
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re div and conf names in article apr ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes evan pritchard writes i think that you are incorrect roger patrick smythe and adams all played or coached in the league before becoming front office types hence they did help build the league although they were not great players themselves punch imlach s contributions as a coach and gm were far greater than those of the above combined should we name a division or trophy after him owner vs player contributions deleted are we going to honour those who contributed to the league s evolution or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the sport itself stuff deleted the money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on and that is it is the players that are what make the game great and not the people who put them on the ice as i recall the author of the original article that started the thread claimed that he disliked the changing of the names for a variety of reasons roger on one front you flamed him rather severely on the grounds that his was a jingoistic rant but you also supported the name changing on the grounds that the current names are inappropriate because of the individuals they represent fwiw i do not think the flaming was warranted nor do i think you enhanced what credibility you have with it at all just an observation however that aside the real question is whether you like the idea of changing the names based on the reasons given for it making it easier for the casual fan or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names based on individuals who do deserve the honour imo the latter is a nice and unique touch that differs from other sports in addition i do not think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of people that are interested in hockey so it s a pointless exercise anyway if the current names are inappropriate then that is a separate issue not central to the original article something to consider additionally is whether or not players like orr who contributed to the glory of the sport would have been able to do so without an organized professional league to play in in this case honouring builders of the league as opposed to builders of the sport becomes a chicken and egg type question although it was the chicken exactly true naming divisions and trophies after smythe and the bunch is the same kind of nepotism that put stein in the hall of fame i have always thought that this was nonsense dunno if the stein comparison is justifiable since it doesn t look as though his unanimous acceptance to the hall will hold up dchhabra stpl ists ca
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re hawks vs leafs lastnight in article apr alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca gerald olchowy writes on all replays joe murphy s goal shouldn t have counted the game would have ended in tie i thought the red light went on thus in the review the presumption would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the net from the replays i say even from the rear the evidence wasn t conclusive that the puck was in or out in my opinion i was under the impression that the objective is to find conclusive evidence that the puck did cross the line and the replays i saw showed fairly conclusively that the puck did not cross the goal line at any time anyway somebody screwed up dchhabra stpl ists ca
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re thumbs up to espn in article apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charles achkar writes it was nice to see espn show game between the wings and leafs since the cubs and astros got rained out instead of showing another baseball game they decided on the stanley cup playoffs a classy move by espn it was good to see the wings play but lets not give espn too much credit there weren t any other late baseball games on so they didn t have another option eric sebastian go pens
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re wings take game one in qvos r cl msu vergolin euler lbs msu edu david vergolini writes the detroit red wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a washing of the toronto maple leafs all you toronto fans have now seen the power of the mighty red wing offense toronto s defense in no match for the wing offense as for the defense probert kennedey and primeau came out hitting hard toronto players were being thrown left and right not even wendell clark was tough enough for the wings tough guys the wings only gave up three goals a low total for what they say is a mediocre defense all you leaf fans better speak up now you team will probable have its season ended soon wings fans keep up the support there s quite a few wings fans lurking about here they just tend to be low key and thoughtful rather than woofers i suppose every family must have a roger clinton though but remember to paraphrase one of my favorite star trek lines if we adopt the ways of the leaf fans we are as bad as the leaf fans ron and one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set of things to worry about i m getting bored reading the same problems in the paper decade after decade i want people to have to deal with new problems president bill clinton
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re wings will win golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca gerald olchowy writes bryan murray has done very little as gm yzerman fedorov cheveldae chaisson the whole russian strategy was a product of the previous gm murray has made a couple of decent trades that s about it that would hardly rank him as the best gm wasn t primeau murray s first decision as gm gerald there are many teams in the nhl who have taken a liking to russian players the whole russian strategy is not specific to detroit or to devellano who was gm before murray what the previous gm also did was to trade away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams most notably in my memory murray craven who had a few very good years with philly after leaving here also it s not the volume of trades that will necessarily improve a team but the quality of them trading adam oates for bernie federko was just plain stupid even if federko used to be a great player at one time most of murray s trades have worked significantly to the wings advantage with those that didn t being soured mainly by injury to the players involved such as troy crowder who suffered back problems from which he never really recovered put scotty bowman pat burns or any of the other better coaches in the league behind the bench of this detroit team and they could beat anybody randy
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re abc coverage in article cfoy mw uh jndv andrew cmu edu anna matyas am x andrew cmu edu writes thorne is good and i ve always been a fan of clement but i miss mike emrick my boyfriend who is not a hockey fan even looked up at one point and said these guys are pretty good announcers this is the same guy who said that rick tocchet looks like charles bronson did your boyfriend comment on the fact that clement looks like a walking ad for brillo pad hair replacement therapy the guy s just a stuffed shirt who thinks he s the greatest hockey analyst since howie meeker for gosh sakes i ll take schoenie any day george george ferguson arpa ferguson cs rochester edu dept of computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university of rochester vox rochester ny fax
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re thumbs up to espn in article apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charles achkar writes it was nice to see espn show game between the wings and leafs since the cubs and astros got rained out instead of showing another baseball game they decided on the stanley cup playoffs a classy move by espn they tried their best not to show it believe me i m surprised they couldn t find a sprint car race mini cars through pigpens indeed on short notice george george ferguson arpa ferguson cs rochester edu dept of computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university of rochester vox rochester ny fax
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re abc coverage in article blue cis pitt edu ccohen pitt edu caleb n cohen writes boy everyone has been ripping on espn s hockey coverage or is it just pittsburgher s who are thrilled with lange steigy for all of you who are unaware espn bought the air time from abc and did all the production advertising sales commentating etc and even reaped any made in the interests of saving badnwidth during this heated time of the year viz the early flurry of retard comments coming from a certain state whose name starts with p and ends with a why don t you tell us something we don t already know george george ferguson arpa ferguson cs rochester edu dept of computer science uucp rutgers rochester ferguson university of rochester vox rochester ny fax
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re thumbs up to espn in article apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charles achkar writes it was nice to see espn show game between the wings and leafs since the cubs and astros got rained out instead of showing another baseball game they decided on the stanley cup playoffs a classy move by espn the only reason espn showed that hockey came was because there was no other baseball game scheduled for the evening randy r turgeo oz plymouth edu a l l e z l e s b l u e s joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis jca cec wustl edu blues
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re abc coverage ccohen pitt edu caleb n cohen writes boy everyone has been ripping on espn s hockey coverage or is it just pittsburgher s who are thrilled with lange steigy for all of you who are unaware espn bought the air time from abc and did all the production advertising sales commentating etc and even reaped any made no caleb it s not the quality of espn that i have a problem with it is superb whereas it did not evolve beyond the point where espn left off when hockey went to sc this is excepting sc s use of feeds from cbc it s the amount of hockey they re showing or lack of it that we re complaining about they had rights to two ot s that could ve been shown on sunday night after baseball and they had pickup trucks racing through oversized pigpens followed by super home movies of old car races yes i was checking in desperation for canucks jets last night after sportscenter gld je me souviens gary l dare gld columbia edu go winnipeg jets go gld cunixc bitnet selanne domi stanley
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re nhl team captains colling ann arbor applicon slb com michael collingridge writes and while we are on the subject has a captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated luc robitaille was captain of the kings the first third of the season until the great one came back from his disc injury it was kind of awkward but melrose appointed anointed tgo as captain immediately upon his return after which he did not score a goal for something like games i think luc should have remained captain all season dvb
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re abc coverage in article cfoy mw uh jndv andrew cmu edu am x andrew cmu edu anna matyas writes i was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the coverage i was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting back to the puck thorne is good and i ve always been a fan of clement but i miss mike emrick my boyfriend who is not a hockey fan even looked up at one point and said these guys are pretty good announcers this is the same guy who said that rick tocchet looks like charles bronson mom i have one complaint for the cameramen doing the jersey pitt series show the shots not the hits on more than one occassion the camera zoomed in on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot they panned back to show the rebound maybe mom s camera people were a little more experienced joseph stiehm
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re ron francis not to mention mr francis is an incredibly nice person over christmas break a friend of mine had a little xmas gathering the two of us drove to ron s house while i stayed in the car out of shyness my friend went to the door and rang the bell ron answered and my friend introduced himself he then proceeded to invite francis to the party ron declined because he had to watch his daughter he then reached out and shook my friend s hand i know this isn t r s b but i don t think barry bonds would be this polite in this situation george
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sharks review part left wings apparently part defensemen numbered through was lost when i posted it to make things worse i lost my own copy i have asked on the sharks mailing list on which it did get out to see if someone can mail me a copy back if someone responds i will repost it when i get it otherwise i will re write it in a day or two and post it sorry about that larry depalma season rd acquired free agent from minnesota grade i c d no netter fan watching the sharks including me knows where depalma was at the end of the season the sharks appeared to still have his rights but he wasn t in san jose he wasn t in kansas city and his name hasn t appeared on the waiver wire and that kind of invisibility was prevalent for the most part for depalma after being called up october against the tampa bay lightning depalma had an excellent week scoring points in games while playing good defense unfortunately the year old depalma then disappeared the rest of the way getting just more points in more games and generally looked lethargic and uninterested on both ends of the ice he then was sent down to kansas city walked out from there and was suspended and later reinstated when it was revealed that he was injured he then promptly disappeared from the watching eyes of shark bytes as the mailing list is now known to sharks officials faithful and neither the sharks nor we miss him johan garpenlov season rd acquired trade with detroit for d bob mcgill and th round pick in entry draft from vancouver grade a a after an early slump garpenlov was nothing short of inspirational the rest of the way finishing with points in games second highest total on the team as he clicked well with team mvp kelly kisio and right wing rob gaudreau kisio got most of the credit but garpenlov finishing second in the mvp voting clearly demonstrated his playmaking and scoring skills as he was seen making excellent centering passes as well as finishing passes to him by putting the puck past opposing goaltenders getting a club high power play goals contrary to his previous rep garpenlov also showed that despite his small size lbs he was willing to throw himself around when necessary albeit not very successful yet he also still needs to work on his defense although he improved tremendously throughout the season and was actually quite a good penalty killer by the end of the season he will be a major key to the offense next year david bruce season th acquired from st louis in expansion draft grade i after a banner when he led the team in power play goals and was third in total scoring points in games bruce was bothered virtually all of this season with a groin injury which kept him out of the lineup for all by games this season of course it is difficult to speculate how well he would have done this season had he not been affected by the injury but the year old bruce was effective with a man up or a man short in the sharks first season and was expected to be a strong offensive leader this season as well the injury appears serious which is a shame because otherwise he may have a much brighter future for now instead his future with the sharks next season appears clouded mark pederson season rd acquired trade with philadelphia for c lw dave snuggerud grade i b it is difficult for me to understand the flyers decision to unload pederson after a very good offensive season last season points in games but after riding the pine early in the season pederson was summarily sent to the sharks in exchange of the defensive minded snuggerud and he finished with games combined with the flyers and the sharks he was also limited by injuries this season and this limited his production points but when healthy pederson appears impressive with a good scoring touch good size and the willingness to throw it around although he s not considered a physical forward and good speed he also does not appear to be a liability on defense but the sharks probably have to wait until next season to see how much exactly pederson can do john carter season th acquired free agent from boston grade i b b carter was definitely one of the hardest workers on the team and the hard work worked wonders as at times he looked great on ice however although he did look great at times the fact that he received just points in games for his efforts is a sign that there is only so much his hard work can do and the sharks confirmed that by sending him to kansas city with about games left in the season carter who will turn on may always hussled but as a result was sometimes trapped too deep within the offensive zone while forechecking but he was generally a credit on the defensive end but he is probably of limited utility in that capacity and he did not impress offensively although he was one of the best sharks at drawing penalties he is very unlikely to be back next season jean francois quintin season st acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade i b b i don t understand why the sharks didn t let quintin play any more than the games he played this season he was generally hard working and creating opportunities offensively and appeared at age ready for regular nhl duty at least for a team like the sharks finishing with points in those games while not being a defensive liability shoulder injury in training camp before the season limited quintin the team s leading scorer in exhibition games despite sitting out the final two to just games with the sharks and the blades that season but he looked impressive he should be a solid contender for regular duty next season mark beaufait season st acquired nd round pick in supplemental draft grade i after a all star season at kansas city beaufait got a cup of coffey with the sharks late in the season when the blades knocked down a playoff spot and the sharks decimated with injuries playing games and scoring a goal for his only nhl point thus far despite small size lbs beaufait was not shy to throw himself around when necessary and looked pretty good at times although it s too early to judge him based on nhl games in which he played mostly left wing away from his center position at northern michigan and kansas city jaroslav otevrel season st acquired th round pick in entry draft grade i like beaufait otevrel also played away from his normal position when he was up for his cup of tea games midway through the season he was generally very much of a defensive liability and did not show much offensively either although that may be more indicative of the lack of ice time he got in those games he may need another season to work on his defense but once his defense is acceptable he should be ready michel picard season st acquired trade with hartford for lw yvon corriveau grade i b c the year old picard although he perennially tore up the minors seems to be close to being out of chances for some reason after being acquired by the sharks but failing to impress the management in games scoring goals for his only points and he spent most of the rest of the way in kansas city he was not particularly strong defensively and despite his offensive brilliance in the minors he has failed thus far to score in the nhl although he has been given limited opportunities he may be the sharks bait in the expansion draft dody wood season st acquired rd round pick in entry draft grade i d d although perhaps i shouldn t give a grade at all i have been accused of knocking on wood too much then it is probably no surprise to you that i am thoroughly unimpressed by wood thus far although games is a small example he was generally a nonfactor on offense was not particularly good defensively and took too many silly penalties losing many fights in the process and gathering penalty minutes in those games projecting to to in an game season he s not ready and needs at least another season at kc where he can work on his fighting skills if nothing else his relatively small size lbs does not give much possibility that he can survive at this stage as an enforcer go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu claudius leland stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks
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sharks review part defensemen i finally got it back with great thanks to mark spiegel for saving and sending it rob zettler season th acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade c c zettler gave the sharks every bit he s got this year unfortunately this still wasn t enough to make him any more than a marginal nhler if that he works hard for sure but is no better than average on defense and is prone to costly penalties and defensive lapses at times while being basically an offensive zero goal and assists in games he would be hardpressed to make the team next year david williams season nd acquired free agent from new jersey grade c c imo williams was the most valuable defenseman for the sharks in playing a combination of good offense goals and assists in games and good defense but he playing the first part of this season in kansas city was good neither offensively nor defensively this year it then appears that was a fluke although he improved towards the end of the season he was prone to being out of position defensively and did not demonstrate the playmaking skills that made him the team s leading scorer among defensemen last year he would also be hardpressed to make the team next year jayson more season nd acquired from montreal in expansion draft grade b after being touted as the team s top defensive prospects in training camp before more had a rather disappointing as he was not particularly good defensively and had just points in games he then proceeded to improve his game massively this season becoming the team s most reliable defenseman whom the team can count on night in and night out to play steady defense and providing occasional but only occasional offensive flash offensively he was even more disappointing than last year points in games but his defense improved tremendously he is probably best as the defensive part of a defense combination with an offensive defenseman neil wilkinson season th acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade b wilkinson was probably the team s top defensive defenseman in however partially because of injuries he was not the same this year as he missed games total due to nagging knee and back injuries and seemed to be slowed even when playing he then had often to be saved by his defensive partners that is if they are there at all but he also had some solid games and if he can be complete healthy he can still be a force sandis ozolinsh season st acquired nd round pick in entry draft grade i a at the time of his injury december against the philadelphia flyers ozolinsh was well on track to be imo the team s mvp a serious knee injury in that game though forced him to miss the rest of the season games but he still finished as the team s top scorer among defensemen points which of course tells more about the lack of offense the sharks had from their defensemen but it also tells of ozolinsh s abilities at the time he was playing very good defense along with excellent offense he was still susceptible to so called rookie mistakes but was probably the defenseman who made the least of them on the team rookie or veteran if he can come back from his injuries he is ready to be a star doug zmolek season st acquired from minnesota in dispersal draft grade b zmolek had basically a solid and durable year being one of the only two sharks to play in all games of the season he was solid on defense but after being billed as an offensive defenseman he didn t show it points he was also prone to penalties and his penalty minutes was second on the team however that was also an indication that he was fearly when facing tough physical opponents and he was at his best when playing physically but to become a fixture in this league he needs to improve both offensively and defensively and cut down on the number of power plays he gives to opponents go calgary flames al macinnis for norris gary roberts for hart and smythe go edmonton oilers go for playoffs next year stay in edmonton nelson lu claudius leland stanford edu rec sport hockey contact for the san jose sharks
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re ron francis in article apr virginia edu mjr u virginia edu matthew j rush writes i forgot to ask is this the highest points total francis has had in a season has he ever had a point season before either with the pens or the whalers francis got in his last full season with hartford in agreement with your previous post i think francis is a tremendous and generally underrated complete player i would love to have him here in a capitals uniform where he would certainly be the center even though pivonka is also a very good complete player who is generally underrated francis impresses me in many ways as an ethical dale hunter tons of heart and can do attitude with a lot of different skills but none of the cheap shots and few penalty minutes not to mention nearly always coming through when it s important
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re expanding to europe dusseldorf in apr informatik tu muenchen de voecking informatik tu muenchen de writes in article apr abo fi mlindroos finabo abo fi marcus lindroos inf writes in pkortela apr lk hp hut fi pkortela snakemail hut fi writes deg has many german born forwards in the team in fact the majority of players are german born deg had average in spectator arena interesting one of our german friends here robert told me their forwards were all canadian germans perhaps somebody can sort this out for us as far as i know dusseldorf has only one canadian german forward i e a player who was born in canada but now has a german passport benoit doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play for germany in the wc the other canada born forwards are peter john lee has british passport chris valentine dale dercatch steve gootas earl spry at the moment there are only three german born forwards coming into my mind bernd trunschka andreas brockmann ernst koepf hm do you think dusseldorf fans would like it if their team joined the nhl or do we have to include koln as well cologne to you anglophiles to make them happy volker marcu
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re goalie masks in article apr ac dal ca brifre ac dal ca writes i saw a mask once that had drawings of band aids presumably for every puck that goalie stopped with his face head i can t remember who it was or even if it was nhl i see quite a few ahl games here gerry cheevers used to have a mask that had stitches painted all over it ken dryden s mask is a classic an archetype of our time
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re nhl team captains in article k wbm z v andrew cmu edu am x andrew cmu edu anna matyas writes michael collingridge writes and while we are on the subject has a captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated wasn t ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh mom chris chelios was montreal s co captain with guy carbonneau when he was traded to chicago for denis savard and peter stastny was captain of the quebec nordiques when he was traded to new jersey also mark messier was captain of the edmonton oilers when he was traded to new york how about dale hawerchuk with winnipeg when he was traded to buffalo was he captain too i think so i should not forget wayne you know who when he was traded to l a he was captain didn t they strip wendel clark of his capta incy in toronto just some updates and thoughts cheer daniel piche lmc u det design ericsson communications inc decarie blvd rd floor town of mont royal quebec h p n ext e mail lmcdapi lmc ericsson se memoid lmc lmcdapi cheers
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does anybody have the schedule for games sunday apr hello hockey fans bonjour tout le monde well in salt lake city this past sunday the local abc station decided not to televise the hockey games la directrous de programme est la tete de merde anyway i have a satellite dish and a few of my friends from hockey have invited themselves over to watch the games this coming sunday apr and i can not find correct game times for the calgary at la game i have times showing everything from am mdt to pm mdt i am not even sure what games are going to be played this coming sunday now that abc has mucked up the schedule i think i should be able to pull in three games am pm and pm mdt off the dish but i am not sure if anybody has a schedule pleas emial it to me as you can see i have to telent to get rec sport hockey and it is sometimes difficult to get a link thanks in advance merci d avance p s anglais ou francais d accord roland behunin behunin oodis af mil behunin oodis hill af mil roland
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re wings take game one in article apr ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes in qvos r msuinfo cl msu edu vergolin euler lbs msu edu david vergolini writes the detroit red wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a washing of the toronto maple leafs all you toronto fans have now seen the power of the mighty red wing offense toronto s defense in no match for the wing offense as for the defense probert kennedey and primeau came out did they move probert back to defense why did i see him parking his ass in front of potvin all night somebody is going to have to discipline probert if the leafs want to win the series perhaps a fresh clark should hit the ice at the end of a long probert shift and straigten him out for a while during the regular season when the intensity is down not many teams have forwards who will continually go and park themselves in front of the opposing teams net and the inadequacy of the leafs defense in this regard thus didn t matter however the playoffs are a different story every good team is going to have players who are going to become potted plants in front of potvin and the leafs relatively unphysical defensive core will finally be exposed as weak an inept hard work will go a long way during the regular season almost to points and the leafs deserve credit for that but in the playoffs talent matters because everyone begins working hard gerald
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re don cherry coach s corner summary april in article yfoz lm wboq hyq andrew cmu edu james j murawski jjm andrew cmu edu writes on apr in don cherry coach s corner user allan sullivan cs ualber writes next a clip was shown from an earlier episode in which don was proclaiming doug gilmour to be the best player not only in the nhl but in the world what about players like lemieux don said that gilmour was the best player not designated point getter its not like baseball where you have a designatted hitter who can score runs but can t play defense gilmour is a good two way player this clip was shown on local news in pittsburgh last night kdka complete with animated sarcasm by the sportscaster it s the second time cherry has been shown on local pittsburgh news in the last couple of weeks both times he was blasting lemieux his designated point getter remarks were not only meant for lemieux but for gretzky bure etc etc and he made those particular remarks last december before lemieux was diagnosed with hodgkin s and as the leafs started their second half roll and before gilmour s great season was being recognized by many people gerald
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re abc coverage in article cfoy mw uh jndv andrew cmu edu anna matyas am x andrew cmu edu writes thorne is good and i ve always been a fan of clement but i miss mike emrick my boyfriend who is not a hockey fan even looked up at one point and said these guys are pretty good announcers this is the same guy who said that rick tocchet looks like charles bronson imho clement although he has a pleasant personality aggravatingly pleasant in my opinion is a terrible analyst because he is almost alway wrong the prototypical example being new jersey s first goal last sunday i grew up with dick irvin doing color beside danny gallivan i knew did irvin dick irvin was a friend of mine bill clement you aren t any dick irvin as long as the teams involved do not include the us national team or the new york rangers i d take john davidson over bill clement any day gerald
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re pens playoff radio coverage was re radio stations in article c sfjv fa cs cmu edu lli cs cmu edu lori iannamico wrote according to this morning s post gazette the pens will be carried by kdka radio am unless the pirates are playing when the pirates play the games will be carried by wdve fm wdve will carry games starting with tonight s game in fact after this season kdka will no longer be the flagship station for the pens the penguins and kbl have struck a new deal regarding the tv and radio rights to the games it seems more than likely that wdve will be the flagship radio station next season kbl will carry games on tv with of the games to be simulcast on kdka tv the remaining games as well as some of the early round playoff games will be available by subscription tv only to receive the games you ll have to pay a one time hook up fee and then a monthly fee of dollars also under the new deal there will no longer be radio tv simulcasts there will be a tv broadcast team and a radio broadcast team no word on who the announcers will be mike lange and paul steigerwald are both under contract with kdka but their contracts expire at the end of this season kbl president bill craig said he d like to hire lange and steigerwald lori contact for the penguins lli cs cmu edu nooooooooooooooooo who s the mindscheme behind this one ted simmons as the saying goes if it ain t broke don t fix it i m miles from home during the school year and will never be able to pick up dve at least now i can sort of make out what mike and steigy say through all the static on kdka this just may be enough reason for me to transfer to duquesne and live at home who s going to announce on dve anyway paulson and krenn just kidding george
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if you were pat burns what are the leafs to do i am a leaf supporter and i say the leafs are going down in four unless there is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits pat burns if you were pat burns what would you do living in the bay area i do not get enough leaf coverage to pull something out of the bag i would appreciate comments on the leaf detroit rd line match ups but here is the basic idea andreychuck and borchevsky have no business playing against the wings they are too small the key to any leafs success will have to be clark he is the only centre who can have any presence within stick lengths of the slot where the hell is anderson anderson can in days past get under peoples skin put a little more bluntly anderson has to be an asshole he used to be good at it we need him now perhaps perhaps the leafs can shut down detroit s second line i was dissappointed to see shepard and yserbeart flying last night these guys are the swing players for the wings last year they did a major choke in the playoffs and were to blame for the quick exit of the wings this has to happen again clark anderson gilmour should be able to out hustle this line anderson should do a nasty on yserbeart clark should bang the hell out of sheppard score gilmour score suggestions clarke anderson gilmour vs sheppard yserbeart andreychuck borchevsy vs detroit checking line toronto s checking line vs yzerman fedorov probert pray lots as suggested i would bench andreychuck and borchevsky to stir things up and through a monkey wrench into detroits game plan however if the detroit coaching would be dumb enough to play their checking line against these finesse players well then let them play potvin can not be faulted on of the goals keep him in van hellamond can not be faulted for the leafs demise either the wings defense shut down the leafs especially in the slot i hope pat burns realizes that his team was out hit out skated and out coached on monday night this was not a loss because of poor goaltending or officiating this calls for drastic measures or tee off is next monday jake go leafs
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re radio stations in article ragraca vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu randy a graca writes the pittsburgh penguins games used to be broadcast on kdka but i don t know whether they will be pre empted by baseball and moved to another station or not you can try those if the local baseball teams aren t playing at the same time anyway randy the pens are now being broadcast on wdve carol
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bowman whining already i should have guessed it s time for the annual pittsburgh penguins whine a thon bowman was complaning about cheap shots by the devils in game i m sorry mr bowman you re a great coach but those cheap shots were nothing compared to what s going to come also i guess you were only able to notice the cheap shots made by the guys not in white it s amazing what those black and gold colored glasses will do ps nice dive on that high stick mario everyone knew it was a high stick you could have stayed on your feet and saved your diving talent for later just stirring it up a bit ralph
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re cbc game choices was la on cbc in a previous article uwovax uwo ca says in article boora sfu ca boora kits sfu ca the godfather writes cbc had a great chance for some double headers toronto detroit and vancouver winnipeg but today they said that the east gets the leafs and the west get the vancouver game i thought that they would show them both i m totally p o d too vancouver winnipeg is great west coast hockey fast paced and loads of talent what i ve seen so far is hardly entertaining with the exception of the odd shift every now then of course i missed calgary la pitts jersey no because the pinheads at cbc figure everyone here in ontario cares for the leafs the maple leafs and nothing but the leafs half of southern ontario is people who moved from out west but the good folks in toronto couldn t care less they should show the doubleheader heck the second game would have two canadian teams and let those desperate for news watch the national on newsworld but they don t why because canada ends at windsor don cha know grrrrr amen now i have to get updates every mins on cnn headline news for crying out loud that s cheaper than what i do phone calls there must be a better system one ring adams to linden he scores two rings bure rushes up the ice he scores etc etc ad freenet carleton ca rachel holme
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matt militzok please read sorry to everyone for wasting space matt the other day you posted that you were doing a mailing list of playoff stats i lost your address please put me on that list thanks george
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re wings will win in article ragraca vela acs oakland edu ragraca vela acs oakland edu randy a graca writes golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca gerald olchowy writes bryan murray has done very little as gm yzerman fedorov cheveldae chaisson the whole russian strategy was a product of the previous gm murray has made a couple of decent trades that s about it that would hardly rank him as the best gm there are many teams in the nhl who have taken a liking to russian players the whole russian strategy is not specific to detroit or to devellano who was gm before murray what the previous gm also did was to trade away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams most notably in my memory murray craven who had a few very good years with philly after leaving here also it s not the volume of trades that will necessarily improve a team but the quality of them trading adam oates for bernie federko was just plain stupid even if federko used to be a great player at one time most of murray s trades have worked significantly to the wings advantage with those that didn t being soured mainly by injury to the players involved such as troy crowder who suffered back problems from which he never really recovered devallano went earlier and more extensively to the russian strategy than anyone else and was the first gm to waste high draft choices on young russians devallano would still be gm but he succombed to demers pleading to make the oates federko et al trade which is the deal that sealed his fate murray has made some decent trades no doubt but these are more due to the stupidity or cheapness of other teams than brilliance on his part washington was too cheap to pay ciccarelli so they essentially gave him away and carson was really a big anchor to the team and he was able to sucker a rookie gm to give him paul coffey for deadweight if detroit still fails this year because he was one defenseman short then he will have wasted an opportunity because manson was available and he was unable to pull the trigger it is his judgement that he has enough with what he s got yzerman doesn t have that many more years in his prime gerald
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re murray as gm was wings will win in article apr venus lerc nasa gov smorris venus lerc nasa gov ron morris writes gerald murray wasn t responsible for primeau although i m not ready to admit that s a horrible pick they hired him after the draft which has never made sense to me his first pick was lapointe i don t think primeau is necessarily a bad pick i m was just trying to locate the beginning of murray s decisions he slowness in trading carson has delayed primeau s development and you have to wait longer for big players often and primeau can be a very good player without being a point a game player especially on a team that has yzerman and fedorov if primeau becomes joel otto and gets goals a season and plays mean it will have been an extremely good pick gerald
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re panther s president in article p a b w w cybernet cse fau edu jimg cybernet cse fau edu jim gorycki writes a little bio from sun sentinel torrey the architect of four consecutive stanley cup champions as persident and general manager of the new york islanders throughout his years in the nhl bill torrey s bow ties have become as much of a signature as andre agassi s hair the panthers will introduce a uniform insignia and ticket price information in early next month in the meantime huizenga leaves the day to day operation in the hands of torrey and bob clarke the vp and gm the san jose sharks and ottawa senators are each on their second gm already i d be willing to wager that both the sharks and senators will probably see their rd gm s and perhaps their th before we see the panthers second gerald
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re wc results april in article r c t access digex net steveg cadkey com steve gallichio writes gerald olchowy golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca writes podein is an interesting case because he was eligible to play in cape breton in the ahl playoffs like kovalev zubov and andersson obviously sather and pocklington are not the total scrooges everyone makes them out to be certainly in this case they ve massively outclassed paramount and the new york rangers what is the policy regarding players and the minor league playoffs versus wc i know that the rangers are holding back kovalev zubov and andersson for binghamton but i also know that the whalers wanted michael nylander to play for springfield while nylander wanted to play for sweden the whalers allowed the nhl to decide and the nhl chose the wcs how does this differ from the rangers and oilers did the whalers have to go through the league or could they have forced nylander to play in springfield obviously it is ultimately the teams choice the nhl would obviously prefer not to annoy the european hockey federations but the nhl right now cannot force nhl teams to free their players the whalers probably did it this way so as to not annoy their farm team affiliate gerald
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re nords habs in o t we was robbed deepak chhabra dchhabra stpl ists ca wrote speaking of great players man oh man can quebec skate i haven t seen a team so potent on the rush in a long time watching them break out of their zone especially sundin is a treat to watch they remind me of the red army dchhabra stpl ists ca pissed off habs fan yeah the nords look like they re going to be good but excuse the bias have you ever watched the pens on a rush don t answer everyone has seen this footage near the end of the season when the pens played the nords it was like watching a younger double of the pens the nords looked good right up to the point when they lost ravi shah shah pitt edu la mu sica ideas portara approx translation music will bring ideas y siempre continuara and will continue forever sonido electro nico electronic sound decibel sinte tico musique non stop synthetic decibel kraftwerk
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re thumbs up to espn in article c sclk b cbnewsh cb att com seth cbnewsh cb att com peter r clark jr writes what did you leave the room each of the or so times they said that there were no other night baseball games every break they took back at the studio mentioned it followed by so we re gonna show you hockey instead my wife and i are hoping for rain at every baseball game they have a feed for tommorrow night point is be glad they showed hockey but if baseball was available anywhere else you can bet you would ve watched baseball last night pete clark i know that there wasn t other games on the schedule but espn sometimes shows classic games from previous season to fill in the time slot a l l e z l e s b l u e s joe ashkar contact for the blues saint louis jca cec wustl edu blues
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re thumbs up to espn with everyone bitching about the hockey coverage by espn its almost like the detroit toronto game was not televised last nite i was just thankful to see hockey on a night that it wasn t supposed to be carried thanks to espn no matter why they televised the game craig
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remarks by president clinton to ncaa division i champion hockey team here is a press release from the white house remarks by president clinton to ncaa division i champion hockey team april q a following to national desk contact white house office of the press secretary washington april following is a transcript of remarks by president clinton to the university of maine black bears ncaa division i hockey champions the rose garden a m edt the president good morning ladies and gentlemen it s an honor for me to welcome the university of maine black bears the winner of the ncaa division i hockey national championship to the rose garden and the white house i understand from senator mitchell that this is the first team from the university of maine every to win a national championship and we re glad to have them here i m inspired not only by how the team pulled together to win the championship but how the entire state pulled together to cheer them onto victory coming from a state that is also relatively small in size but also filled with pride and tradition and community i can understand how the people of maine must feel about the black bears in our state people are still talking about the time we won the orange bowl over the number one ranked football team and that was back in i m sure that years from now the people of maine will as proud of this team as they are today you know in my state football is a slightly more popular sport than hockey we don t have a lot of ice laughter but after spending three months getting banged around in this town i can understand a little more about hockey than i did before i came here hockey is a tough game it s a hard hitting sport it does have one virtue though there s a penalty for delay of game i wish we had that rule in the senate laughter in government as in hockey leadership is important in the united states senate our team has a great captain the majority leader and the senior senator from maine george mitchell junior senator cohen looks so young i can t imagine laughter i m actually bitter about senator cohen because he looks so much younger than me on your hockey team the captain jim montgomery has done a great job he scored the winning goal late in the championship game leading you to a come from behind victory something else i know a little bit about sport brings out the best in individuals and in teams and in communities i share the pride that senator mitchell and senator cohen and congressman andrews and all the people of maine must feel for the black bears who have shown us all how to play as a team how to bring out the best in one another and how to come from behind i think it s important as i ask young people from around america who have achieved outstanding things in working together to come here to the white house to be recognized and appreciated by their country to remember that those kinds of values and those kinds of virtues need to be ingrained in all of us for all of our lives we now have another role model and i m glad to have them here today applause the president is presented with team jersey applause the president that s great i love it it s beautiful applause the president is presented with an autographed stick the president thank you that s great applause q mr president did you authorize the move on waco this morning sir the president i was aware of it i think the attorney general made the decision and i think i should refer all questions to her and to the fbi q did you have any instructions for her as to how it should be executed the president no they made the tactical decisions that was their judgment the fbi q is this a raid the president and i will i want to refer you to talk to the attorney general and the fbi i knew it was going to be done but the decisions were entirely theirs all the tactical decisions q what did you and senator mitchell talk about this morning q any chance for that stimulus package the president senator mitchell ought to pay my quarter laughter i was in there laughter senator mitchell you have to pay that quarter the president i was ready laughter senator mitchell he s worth a quarter any day q any chance for your bill sir the president we talked about what was going to happen this week in the senate and about what other meetings we re going to have for the rest of the week we only had about five minutes to talk and we agreed we d get back together later around noon and talk some more q senator dole said over the weekend that your compromise is no compromise the president well i know he did but look senator dole and a lot of the other republicans now in the senate voted for the same kind of thing for ronald reagan in and our research indicates that a majority of them over time voted for a total of emergency spending measures totalling over billion when reagan and bush were president in those administrations and many of those purposes were not nearly as worthy as putting the american people back to work i don t want to go back and revisit every one but you can do it you can look at the research there so this position they re taking is not credible we have a very tough five year deficit reduction plan all these costs are covered during that time and then some and the very people that are saying this has all got to be paid for don t have much of a history on which to base their position they ve got years of vote for stimulus measures of this kind that had very little to with putting the american people back to work so i think we ve got a chance to work it out and i m hopeful we ll see what happens today and tomorrow i m feeling pretty good about it the press thank you end a m edt canada remote systems toronto ontario
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re wirtz is a weenie in article wfozwmi uh e kye andrew cmu edu rp andrew cmu edu robert angelo pleshar writes in other tv news the penguins announced yesterday that they will have fewer broadcast tv games and will have games on some sort of subscription pay per view system yuck this is incorrect this year the pens had games on free tv and games on ppv next year they will have games on free tv and on a subscription basis you actually get more free game than last year and there will be no more radio only games its a good deal last year everybody bitched about baldwin breaking up the team now he goes out of his way to keep the nucleus of this team together and that takes money he comes up with a creative way to generate more revenue so he can afford this team and people bitch some more everybody wants something for nothing dean dean j falcione badges what badges we using jrmst by permission don t need no stinkin of the owner joe mcdonald badges
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re abc coverage joseph b stiehm joe pitt edu wrote i have one complaint for the cameramen doing the jersey pitt series show the shots not the hits on more than one occassion the camera zoomed in on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot they panned back to show the rebound maybe mom s camera people were a little more experienced joseph stiehm exactly that is my biggest complaint about the coverage so far follow that damn puck ravi shah shah pitt edu la mu sica ideas portara approx translation music will bring ideas y siempre continuara and will continue forever sonido electro nico electronic sound decibel sinte tico musique non stop synthetic decibel kraftwerk
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re if you were pat burns in article r chb l jethro corp sun com jake rambler eng sun com writes what are the leafs to do i am a leaf supporter and i say the leafs are going down in four unless there is nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits pat burns if you were pat burns what would you do pray for the wings to become lazy and overconfident the wings can only lose the series toronto cannot win it take away doug gilmour and the leafs are an old tampa bay the leafs deserve a lot of credit for their diligent effort during the regular season but if detroit puts in a reasonable effort this is not a contest gerald
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re if you were pat burns in article r chb l jethro corp sun com jake rambler eng sun com jason cockroft writes suggestions clarke anderson gilmour vs sheppard yserbeart andreychuck borchevsy vs detroit checking line toronto s checking line vs yzerman fedorov probert pray lots well i m a wings fan and i think the first thing that you should do is to get the opponent s line combinations correct before you try to match up anyone with them there is no yzerman fedorov probert line except for maybe on a powerplay these three players usually play on three different lines which would mean that toronto s checking line would have to pull a triple shift the wings lines usually look like this gallant yzerman ciccarelli kozlov fedorov drake kennedy burr probert ysebaert primeau sheppard oh by the way start praying laurie marshall wayne state university detroit michigan go wings
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re bay area media wings leafs coverage maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes in dreier apr durban berkeley edu dreier durban berkeley edu roland dreier writes the san francisco bay area media is reporting tonight that the detroit red wings beat the toronto maple leafs can someone who is not part of the media conspiracy against the leafs tell me how the game really went i am expecting a win for the leafs shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and a goal and assists for gilmour if the leafs really lost how many penalties did whichever biased ref was at the game have to call against the leafs to let the red wings win ah yes california did the san francisco bay area media report that joe montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired san jose sharks coach george kingston apparently montana is not only coveted for his winning attitude but as a playing coach he will be expected to quarterback the powerplay good comeback rog your quick wit and intelligence continues to amaze everyone john franjione department of chemical engineering university of colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
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re if you were pat burns in apr alchemy chem utoronto ca golchowy alchemy chem utoronto ca gerald olchowy writes pray for the wings to become lazy and overconfident the wings can only lose the series toronto cannot win it take away doug gilmour and the leafs are an old tampa bay right gerald and take away bob probert and the wings are dead octopuses the leafs deserve a lot of credit for their diligent effort during the regular season but if detroit puts in a reasonable effort this is not a contest let s wait for the body to get cold before we start in with the eulogies hm they have only lost one game the game was in detroit after all and potvin did not have his best evening nobody that i saw thought that the leafs would sweep the wings it looks like it might go six the leafs will take the wings home advantage away in the next game cordially as always maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca so many morons rm and so little time
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re goalie masks in article apr newshub ists ca dchhabra stpl ists ca deepak chhabra writes and i ll give fuhr s new one an honourable mention although i haven t seen it closely yet it looked good from a distance this is the new buffalo one the second since he s been with the sabres i recall a price tag of over just for the paint job on that mask and a total price of almost ouch valerie hammerl birtday n an event when friends get hammerl acsu buffalo edu together set your dessert on fire then acscvjh ubms cc buffalo edu laugh and sing while you frantically try v pwwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu to blow it out
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re octopus in detroit in article apr news clarkson edu farenebt logic camp clarkson edu droopy writes in fact the tradition has been passed down to their affiliate in adirondack in gm of last yr s finals an legged creature was hurled onto the frozen pond and landed right at the feet of ref lance roberts it may have been passed to toronto but i ve even seen an octopus at the aud last year s bruins sabres game i knew all about the detroit version but seeing at the aud was a bit puzzling valerie hammerl birtday n an event when friends get hammerl acsu buffalo edu together set your dessert on fire then acscvjh ubms cc buffalo edu laugh and sing while you frantically try v pwwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu to blow it out
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re pens playoff radio coverage was re radio stations in article gp m bgsu edu gp andy bgsu edu george pavlic writes nooooooooooooooooo who s the mindscheme behind this one ted simmons as the saying goes if it ain t broke don t fix it i m miles from home during the school year and will never be able to pick up dve at least now i can sort of make out what mike and steigy say through all the static on kdka this just may be enough reason for me to transfer to duquesne and live at home who s going to announce on dve anyway paulson and krenn just kidding george don t kid around they just might listen kevin l stamber purdue university waiting to hear free bird as the new penguins theme
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list of tee times at metropolitan toronto golf courses for monday kevin l stamber purdue university and phil kirzyc the kielbasa kid will roam the arena for interviews
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abc s announcers espn s lack of coverage was re atlanta in article apr newshub ists ca dchhabra stpl ists ca deepak chhabra writes ok here s the solution to your problem move to canada yesterday i was able to watch four games the nj pitt at on abc la cal at cbc buff bos at tsn and fox and mon que at cbc i think that if each series goes its max i could be watching hockey playoffs for some odd consecutive nights i haven t counted so that s a pure guess the worst thing is that this is exactly what i did last year i had the rangers on msg and the two different games on scny and sca on at the same time yes i d rather have sc cover it just for the amount of coverage btw those abc commentaters were great i was quite impressed they seemed to know that their audience wasn t likely to be well schooled in hockey lore and they did an excellent job they were quite impartial also imo i think thorne earns his money the best part is that he is the same way when he is earning his from sportschannel as the devils announcer i e unbiased he goes orgasmic for goals despite which team scores and even more excited if possible for great saves he did a good job of explaining certain things to non hockey types without offending those of us who follow the sport unlike nbc s clowns for the asg jpc ob playoff time flame bait don t any of you pittsburgh fans tell me how mike lang e is better maybe if he were a little spontaneous rather than reading rehearsed lines of b s having nothing to do with hockey he would be better john p curcio go bruins philips laboratories jpc philabs philips com scarborough road briarcliff manor ny
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re list of tee times at metropolitan toronto golf courses for monday in article c spec euc noose ecn purdue edu stamber rainbow ecn purdue edu kevin l stamber writes kevin l stamber purdue university and phil kirzyc the kielbasa kid will roam the arena for interviews woops this is rec sport hockey not rec sport golf hope you check the newsgroup header next time before posting steve steve lee university of western ontario london canada lee obelix gaul csd uwo ca
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re hockey hispanic market in article bu edu icop csa bu edu antonio pera writes in article saross starbase spd louisville edu saross starbase spd louisville edu stacey a ross writes in c i s bt odin corp sgi com rickc wrigley corp sgi com richard casares writes you ll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that can t play it on account of availability or financial reasons hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off what is this crap i m only interested in intelligent discussion if you can t answer my question just say so can anyone else answer the ques it s not really crap you know only half crap from what i understand it s very expensive to play hockey south of the border actually it s not that cheap up hear either though once you have all the equipement it s not more than a year actually i haven played in about years so i could be off a bit in the states where ice time is considerably more expensive it can cost over a thousand a year compare this to baseball and you ll see that hockey is a sport for the well to do and this brings up the fact that the well to do in the us are majority white btw what was the original question i think it has to do with the hispanic communtiy and playing hockey cheers i ingo sunee uwaterloo ca the more violent the body iwweigel descartes uwaterloo ca contact of the sports you ingo electrical watstar uwaterloo ca watch the lower your class iwweigele electrical watstar uwaterloo ca paul fussell if the university of waterloo had on opinion this probably wouldn t be it
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re nhl team captains in article apr exu ericsson se lmcdapi noah ericsson se writes in article k wbm z v andrew cmu edu am x andrew cmu edu anna matyas writes michael collingridge writes and while we are on the subject has a captain ever been traded resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other team captain trivia would be appreciated wasn t ron francis captain of the whalers when he was traded to pittsburgh mom chris chelios was montreal s co captain with guy carbonneau when he was traded to chicago for denis savard and peter stastny was captain of the quebec nordiques when he was traded to new jersey also mark messier was captain of the edmonton oilers when he was traded to new york how about dale hawerchuk with winnipeg when he was traded to buffalo was he captain too i think so i should not forget wayne you know who when he was traded to l a he was captain didn t they strip wendel clark of his captaincy in toronto buffalo seems to have started a tradition of trading its captains pat lafontaine was awarded the captaincy when mike ramsey was forced to give it up ramsey s now a penguin ramsey inherited it from mike foligno who s now a leaf he in turn had inherited it from lindy ruff who went i forget where ruff had it from perreault who retired so i guess that s where the streak started or did it after all danny gare was captain before him and he went to detroit jim scoenfeld gerry meehan and floyd smith are the others in reverse order last to first i was a bit young at the time so i m not sure of the fate of schoenfeld but he ultimately went to detroit and boston meehan went to vancouver atlanta and washington smith seems to have hung up his skates after buffalo but i don t know if the captaincy was removed before or after that or how many games he played for buffalo this is actually getting fascinating captaincy in buffalo is a sure sign you re to be traded almost unless you re a franchise player valerie hammerl birtday n an event when friends get hammerl acsu buffalo edu together set your dessert on fire then acscvjh ubms cc buffalo edu laugh and sing while you frantically try v pwwpz ubvms cc buffalo edu to blow it out
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re bay area media wings leafs coverage in article apr ramsey cs laurentian ca maynard ramsey cs laurentian ca roger maynard writes in dreier apr durban berkeley edu dreier durban berkeley edu roland dreier writes the san francisco bay area media is reporting tonight that the detroit red wings beat the toronto maple leafs can someone who is not part of the media conspiracy against the leafs tell me how the game really went i am expecting a win for the leafs shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and a goal and assists for gilmour if the leafs really lost how many penalties did whichever biased ref was at the game have to call against the leafs to let the red wings win ah yes california did the san francisco bay area media report that joe montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired san jose sharks coach george kingston apparently montana is not only coveted for his winning attitude but as a playing coach he will be expected to quarterback the powerplay close roger but no banana er avocado or is it artichoke geracie in the murky news said kingston will be the new ers quarterback i m still trying to determine if he is kidding or not if i happen to pound down enuff pints sometime this week i ll go back and check what stooper idiot purdy said in his column that ought to be worth a few leafs i mean laughs if i m really depressed i ll read the sf comicle mark just say mark spiegel spiegel lmsc lockheed com cow palace k epicenter
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re nhl team captains nj and while we are on the subject has a captain ever been traded nj resigned or been striped of his title during the season any other nj team captain trivia would be appreciated mike foligno was captain of the buffalo sabres when he was traded to toronto stephen legge slegge kean ucs mun ca
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nhl playoff leaders as of april playoff leaders as of april player team gp g a pts pim m lemieux pit juneau bos noonan chi mogilny buf neely bos brown stl jagr pit oates bos carson la hunter was stevens nj cullen tor hull stl khristich was linden van racine det shanahan stl sydor la yzerman det bure van coffey det drake det emerson stl g courtnall van johansson was lapointe que niedermayer nj ramsey pit sandstrom la smehlik buf stevens pit adams van barr nj bellows mon burr det chiasson det craven van dahlquist cal dionne mon felsner stl ferraro nyi francis pit gilmour tor hannan buf heinze bos howe det huddy la king win lafontaine buf lefebvre tor mcsorley la millen la ronning van rucinsky que sakic que sheppard det steen win suter cal sweeney buf tipett pit yawney cal young que barnes win borschevsky tor brunet mon chelios chi ciccarelli det clark tor desjardins mon dipietro mon donnelly la driver nj duchesne que ellett tor elynuik was flatley nyi fleury cal gallant det gill tor granato la gretzky la guerin nj hawerchuk buf holik nj housley win janney stl k brown chi khmylev buf krygier was larmer chi macinnis cal matteau chi mceachern pit mclean van mcrae stl mullen pit muller mon murphy pit murzyn van otto cal pearson tor pivonka was primeau det probert det reichel cal ricci que robitaille la roenick chi samuelsson pit semak nj shannon win shuchuk la sundin que sutter chi taylor la tocchet pit vaske nyi maurice richard
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leafs versus wings how long can the leafs play short handed and still be expected to score they did some fine penely killing in the first men down for a couple of minutes at one point but they just couldn t keep it up they spent virtually the entire game either short handed or just coming off a penelty as soon as they d get re grouped they re penalized again sheesh like gilmour said after the st you can t go calling every little push an shove in a game like that and if you re going to you have to do it for both teams pearson one of my four favorite leafs played like a bonehead i saw him personally screw up at least good scoring opportunities and then he got that bonehead minute major high sticking penalty cullen has gotten stronger since his return from injury a hand full of games ago and he played a good game if the other players on his line can smarten up that line should do okay clark s got to get tough he s got to intimidate and go for the net send clark up the left wing over the blue line a couple times his patented wrist shot will put some numbers on the board and pearson heck maybe he should be benched i hate to repeat grapes but where the heck was foligno zezel can t do all the checking himself and get macllwain on the move we need some speed out there keep potvin in net he did okay considering although like i said a couple weeks ago potvin messed up in a couple games in the ahl playoffs last year he can easily do it again my prediction last week was toronto in that the games det wins will be blow outs and the game tor wins will be close i still stand by that don t fret leafs fans in order to win in the other team has to win burns is going to make some magic he ll mix up some lines match the wings line per line he ll have his team checking hard and he ll never let them get out numbered in their own end the leafs will win wednesday night and will take or their home games probably the first one stephen leaf legge slegge kean ucs mun ca
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octopus during the detroit game mon night there were octopus thrown on the ice what is the meaning or symbolism here they used to throw fish on the ice here in spokane afew years ago i never knew where this came from
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re nhlpa poll partial stats results in article ofnmao iv a kyd andrew cmu edu young soo che yc andrew cmu edu writes all these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at njd they are a very deep team with two very capable goalies and excellent forwards and defensemen shooter in richer an all around do it all in todd chef stasny master of a thousand dishes power play kevin todd is an oiler and has been one for months how closely do you follow the devils anyway jeez alan
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re tie breaker isles and devils in article lrw f rpi edu wangr vccsouth its rpi edu rex wang writes are people here stupid or what it is a tie breaker of cause they have to have the same record how can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as first in the list for tie breaker if it is a tie breaker how can there be different record man i thought people in this net are good with hockey i might not be great in math but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points with different record man retard can t believe people actually put win as first in a tie breaker then allow me to enlighten you rex you see there s a thing called a tie a tie is worth one point i know i know you re not good at math but bear with me a win is worth two points so getting two ties is the same as getting one win if your team played two games won one and lost one you d have two points if my team played two games and tied them both we d also have two points we d be tied in the standings even though our records are different perhaps you should learn something about hockey before posting again i am starting to sound like roger or what alan
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re wings will win gballent hudson uvic ca greg ballentine writes all of this is fine i never said that murray was a bad gm i merely said that he isn t the best gm in hockey or even a contender for that honor if murray is as great as you claim the wings would have won the stanley cup by now probably more than once if he was as great a gm as you claim i think you missed one of my points there it takes more than a great gm to win a stanley cup even once some of the guys on the list you gave earlier never won one i agree that you and i could probably argue back and forth for days to no avail about who is the best gm in hockey that is a matter of opinion and who is to say my opinion is any better than yours or yours than mine but the point of my original original post if not well stated was that murray has the gm abilities but not the coaching abilities which leads to below and he was as poor a coach as you claim he would have been intelligent enough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success i think at this point there s a personal emotional element involved here which transcends murray s logical thought as outsiders it s fine for us to say he should hire a different coach in fact he has talked about doing so in the past but the press here in detroit at least has so built up this business about murray never getting past the second round of the playoffs as a coach that i think he has taken it upon himself to prove to the world that he is capable of coaching a team past the second round he needs to as the papers say get that monkey off his back so it becomes a matter not of intelligence but of pride is it foolish to let pride stand in the way of sound logic perhaps but we re all a little that way from time to time i think eventually he ll step down from behind the bench and concentrate on his gm duties and the team will improve as a result i think his coaching duties take away time he might have otherwise spent on gm work in that sense once he steps down as coach we ll see how good of a gm he really is but murray is an average unspectacular nhl coach and a pretty good gm so none of this is true anyway i may not agree with everything you ve said but it s been fun discussing it with you gregmeister randy
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re schedule in article apr news columbia edu gld cunixb cc columbia edu gary l dare writes i can t believe that espn is making sportschannel america look good but only in ny nj philadelphia and chicago everywhere else the only reason sportschannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts and local baseball pre empted the nhl playoffs thus far into this playoff season espn abc has given me more hockey in days game than sportschannel did games if people want hockey on tv they should watch hockey on tv i bet the ratings for hockey on sunday on abc went into the toilet next week there will be far fewer abc affiliates with hockey someone in this thread said that he wouldn t watch the games even if they were on tv and this is a r s h regular contributor xenophobes north of border needn t fear the us americanization of our game because us americans will never figure out how to market hockey here support your team support your game mike eisler mre eng sun com not only are they leafs the best team but their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than pittsburgh s their players are mighty bright too i mean he really was going to get his wallet back right jan brittenson on leaf pen woofers in rec sport hockey
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re nords habs in o t we was robbed in article apr newshub ists ca dchhabra stpl ists ca deepak chhabra writes in article apr vm mcgill ca jbe jbe musicb mcgill ca writes aargh paul stewart is the worst and most biased ref presently in the nhl he called a total of penalties on the habs and one on the nordiques the nords penalty came in o t stewart being an ex nordique himself was looking to call penalties on the habs while letting the nords get away with murder we was robbed no patrick roy is the reason the game was lost and ron hextall is the reason quebec won everybody said it would come down to goaltending that goaltending was the key etc etc well the key doesn t quite fit if you re montreal i don t buy this at all roy was the reason the game was tied and that would not have been the case had dionne kept his cool hextall gave up very questionable goals himself both dionne s and bellows shots were misplayed by hextall but just because his gaffes were early in the game no one seems to care roy stood on his head for the first minutes of the game when the nords were rushing from end to end kamensky s mini break after the tying goal and the first shot by young in ot were both excellent chances stopped by roy roy outplayed hextall for most of the game but roy becomes the villain and hextall the hero because roy s team didn t make full use of their opportunities hextall on the other hand had a lot of lucky bounces he played very well but the haller shot off the post in ot the rebound bouncing over bellows stick the brunet breakaway the chances for leclair all those opportunities were not finished off by montreal and it cost them hextall wasn t particularly brilliant on those plays blaming stewart is just an excuse to avoid facing the fact that roy allowed what was one of the worst goals he could possibly allow he even saw the whole shot dammit sure no excuse but it was just the goal the timing stank but against an explosive team like quebec they gave them opportunity too many with a powerplay that was totally unnecessary montreal played a solid game although they still don t know how to clear traffic in front of the net the loss of schneider will hurt even more i disagree roy played well because he wasn t screened the whole night the defense for the st time this season played remarkably keeping sakic nolan and sundin out of the slot most of the night normally i would say that any team that blows a goal lead with less than five let alone two minutes to go in regulation time in a playoff game especially needs to be smacked upside their collective heads but i don t think this was a team loss although keane should have been able to clear the zone just prior to the first quebec goal this most certainly was a team loss leclair missed his opportunities as did bellows and brunet dionne took a bad penalty damphousse and lebeau were silent carbonneau and savard were a step behind all night roy gave up the bad goal roy by no means can be singled out for this loss roy is paid big money to play he looked like a player in an industrial league on sakic s shot and hextall didn t on dionne s goal please roy is paid big money because that is his value compared to other goalies and he still is in the top when you consider the defense or lack of one that played in front of him for most of the season demers should start racicot in the next game if not that he should let the damn team read the papers for the next day or two and maybe this article if possible the montreal media is the quickest to heap praise and then hurl derogatory comments against the habs they are no better than uninformed fans why should they read the papers they played minutes of burnsian hockey to shut down quebec all they need tonight and for the rest of the series is the extra red light to face quebec rubbish that s a guaranteed way to end the series who would be taught a lesson by this the fans the media and racicot perhaps certainly not the rest of the team i didn t think the wrap around was as bad as the second goal i also didn t think scott young should have gotten around the defender can t remember who in the first place but you are correct it shouldn t have gone in regardless if you mean the goal should never have gone in because there should never have been an ot then i agree but the goal itself was a great piece of work by young roy had both the near and far posts covered but young flipped the puck up under roy s arm as he wrapped around the net not a bad goal at all yaska yaska eecg toronto edu dept of electrical computer engineering sankar university of toronto toronto canada
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