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I like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.
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"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half"
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Never really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular
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"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do."
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Nah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.
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[
"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular"
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No, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se
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"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson."
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Tbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.
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"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se"
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Credits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion
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"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead."
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Marvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..
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"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion"
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Tbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time.
|
[
"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom.."
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no but just end the movie no 5 minutes of credits I don`t need to see or saw at the beginning followed by an extra scene...
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[
"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..",
">\n\nTbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time."
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People that arrive late to the movies are the fucking worst.
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[
"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..",
">\n\nTbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time.",
">\n\nno but just end the movie no 5 minutes of credits I don`t need to see or saw at the beginning followed by an extra scene..."
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I do agree that I quite like when there's a final scene after the credits are through.
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[
"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..",
">\n\nTbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time.",
">\n\nno but just end the movie no 5 minutes of credits I don`t need to see or saw at the beginning followed by an extra scene...",
">\n\nPeople that arrive late to the movies are the fucking worst."
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Nah let's just show the important people in the beginning
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[
"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..",
">\n\nTbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time.",
">\n\nno but just end the movie no 5 minutes of credits I don`t need to see or saw at the beginning followed by an extra scene...",
">\n\nPeople that arrive late to the movies are the fucking worst.",
">\n\nI do agree that I quite like when there's a final scene after the credits are through."
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Nooooo! That’s half the fun. Watching the credits afterwards.
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[
"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..",
">\n\nTbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time.",
">\n\nno but just end the movie no 5 minutes of credits I don`t need to see or saw at the beginning followed by an extra scene...",
">\n\nPeople that arrive late to the movies are the fucking worst.",
">\n\nI do agree that I quite like when there's a final scene after the credits are through.",
">\n\nNah let's just show the important people in the beginning"
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I actually now hate credits at the beginning because when you see “with” or “and” it means their character is more often than not, going to die. Best case scenario it’s like 5 min of screen time and they drive off.
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[
"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..",
">\n\nTbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time.",
">\n\nno but just end the movie no 5 minutes of credits I don`t need to see or saw at the beginning followed by an extra scene...",
">\n\nPeople that arrive late to the movies are the fucking worst.",
">\n\nI do agree that I quite like when there's a final scene after the credits are through.",
">\n\nNah let's just show the important people in the beginning",
">\n\nNooooo! That’s half the fun. Watching the credits afterwards."
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Why do you need to settle in to a movie?
Why would you want to arrive late? Also, isn't this what previews are for?
Why do you need to absorb the mood of the film before settling in? This is bizarre to the point that I'm not even sure I understand what you mean.
The marvel post-credits scene only works if it's post credits, that's part of the suspense.
If it's not a post credit scene franchise (like the vast majority of movies), the credits let you know you can leave, the movie is over. There's no reason to stay around after that, it's not like there's a high likelihood of a post credits scene in every movie you go to.
🤦♂️
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"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..",
">\n\nTbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time.",
">\n\nno but just end the movie no 5 minutes of credits I don`t need to see or saw at the beginning followed by an extra scene...",
">\n\nPeople that arrive late to the movies are the fucking worst.",
">\n\nI do agree that I quite like when there's a final scene after the credits are through.",
">\n\nNah let's just show the important people in the beginning",
">\n\nNooooo! That’s half the fun. Watching the credits afterwards.",
">\n\nI actually now hate credits at the beginning because when you see “with” or “and” it means their character is more often than not, going to die. Best case scenario it’s like 5 min of screen time and they drive off."
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My sister was bitten by a m00se once.
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[
"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..",
">\n\nTbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time.",
">\n\nno but just end the movie no 5 minutes of credits I don`t need to see or saw at the beginning followed by an extra scene...",
">\n\nPeople that arrive late to the movies are the fucking worst.",
">\n\nI do agree that I quite like when there's a final scene after the credits are through.",
">\n\nNah let's just show the important people in the beginning",
">\n\nNooooo! That’s half the fun. Watching the credits afterwards.",
">\n\nI actually now hate credits at the beginning because when you see “with” or “and” it means their character is more often than not, going to die. Best case scenario it’s like 5 min of screen time and they drive off.",
">\n\n\nWhy do you need to settle in to a movie?\nWhy would you want to arrive late? Also, isn't this what previews are for?\nWhy do you need to absorb the mood of the film before settling in? This is bizarre to the point that I'm not even sure I understand what you mean.\nThe marvel post-credits scene only works if it's post credits, that's part of the suspense.\nIf it's not a post credit scene franchise (like the vast majority of movies), the credits let you know you can leave, the movie is over. There's no reason to stay around after that, it's not like there's a high likelihood of a post credits scene in every movie you go to.\n🤦♂️"
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"I feel like there could be spoilers in some credits. Also I’d rather not sit and watch the names of every single person that has had any sort of influence on the movie, which is why I (and a lot of other people) leave when the credits start. \nI also disagree with them being anticlimactic. I feel like the credits can be powerful after a really good movie. You just sit there and take in the move you’ve just seen",
">\n\n“Starring Christopher Walken as “‘The Janitor who was Secretly the Killer All Along’”",
">\n\nCredits in the older movies were just the actors, directors and the music producer. At least with the current style everyone gets credit.",
">\n\nI find the beginning of movies where they just list names for five minutes so boring. At least when they are shown afterwards, I can decide “do I want to know who did what, or do I want to leave?”",
">\n\nOlder movie credits used to be about 10 people. There is literally no way you formed this opinion without noticing that.",
">\n\nThat doesn't change my point. My opinion has nothing to do with how long the credits are.",
">\n\nYeah but it's sort of a fatal flaw in it. Nobody, not even you, wants to sit through 5+ minutes of credits before the movie starts.",
">\n\nIf people are willing to sit through 20 minutes of trailers, I can imagine they'd be willing to sit through 5 minutes of credits.\nRegardless, if people are sitting through credits at the end anyway (which is the norm now in most comedies or comic book movies), it comes out to the same amount of time in your seat. Personally, I'd prefer that time spent at the beginning.",
">\n\nAs someone who has been in the credits of several movies and plays a vital role in the creation of them - this is a terrible idea.",
">\n\nI strongly disagree because of potential spoilers!\nImagine you know that a famous actor will be in the movie because you read the name in the beginning and he didn't show up yet... It may be a cameo, but it could spoil the twist of the movie.",
">\n\nI like them at the end because I can just leave. I wouldn't want to sit through seeing everyone and their mom's name and then watching the movie. I wouldn't be able to enjoy it because I'd be annoyed.",
">\n\nCredits at the beginning can ruin the surprise. I like seeing people that I didn't know were in the movie pop up an hour in.",
">\n\nOne of the things I love most a out Prime Video is I can pull up the cast at any time during the movie/show. My husband tends to do a lot of \"who's that?\" and \"what have we seen them in?\". It's nice just to be able to pull it up mid video.",
">\n\nDepends on the film. Some are better with, some are better without.\nEg. I rewatched \"Come And See\" (1985) the other day. I don't think the ending would work if credits rolled afterwards.\nThen again, silent credits can also maintain the feeling of dread that a film bestows upon its audience. For example, \"Beneath The Planet Of The Apes\" (1970) does this very well.\nAnd Star Wars is Star Wars.",
">\n\nMarvel fan detected",
">\n\nStar Wars is one of the few movies that had no credits at the beginning, and I believe that’s what got George Lucas kicked out of the directors guild. As a result, he couldn’t use directors who were in that guild for Return of the Jedi, which is why he settled on Richard Marquand.",
">\n\nOne of the best things about end credits is the music they play over them. Sure, an overture at the beginning with credits is nice, but the music at the end can really help you decompress after a good movie.",
">\n\nJust watched Tar with Blanchett. They did this. Terrible movie, terrible idea. Pissed me off just out of principle. I understand I’m over doing it. I don’t care. I don’t want 5 minutes of credits before the movie",
">\n\nI saw that too. What bothered me is they ended up putting the same credits at the end anyway. What was the point?",
">\n\nPutting the credits at the beginning of Tar is a thematic choice, to point out that art is often achieved by a team of many specialized players, rather than one \"genius artist\" like Lydia Tar.",
">\n\nhalf and half",
">\n\nI like this idea. As long as they don't repeat the same credits at the end that they do at the beginning, which a few movies do.",
">\n\nNever really thought about this, but you're making a strong case. I don't disagree, but I upvoted for unpopular",
">\n\nNah, falling asleep before finishing the credits of Space Jam taught me my lesson.",
">\n\nNo, a list of 1000 people are not better in the beginning. Intro credits are cool as hell, but not as credits per se",
">\n\nTbf, End Credits were made BECAUSE lists got to long. That's why a lot of movies have two end credits sequences now. The first, flashier one is almost always something that could be used as opening credits instead.",
">\n\nCredits are best during the middle of the movie like The End of Evangelion",
">\n\nMarvel Movies are torture..they`re 2 and 1/2 hours or longer...my local movie cinema`s seat is really really hard.. and by the end I have to pee..but I really want to see the extra footage at the end of the credits.... end the damn movies.... so I can go to the bathroom..",
">\n\nTbf, moving the credits to the beginning wouldn't reduce the run time.",
">\n\nno but just end the movie no 5 minutes of credits I don`t need to see or saw at the beginning followed by an extra scene...",
">\n\nPeople that arrive late to the movies are the fucking worst.",
">\n\nI do agree that I quite like when there's a final scene after the credits are through.",
">\n\nNah let's just show the important people in the beginning",
">\n\nNooooo! That’s half the fun. Watching the credits afterwards.",
">\n\nI actually now hate credits at the beginning because when you see “with” or “and” it means their character is more often than not, going to die. Best case scenario it’s like 5 min of screen time and they drive off.",
">\n\n\nWhy do you need to settle in to a movie?\nWhy would you want to arrive late? Also, isn't this what previews are for?\nWhy do you need to absorb the mood of the film before settling in? This is bizarre to the point that I'm not even sure I understand what you mean.\nThe marvel post-credits scene only works if it's post credits, that's part of the suspense.\nIf it's not a post credit scene franchise (like the vast majority of movies), the credits let you know you can leave, the movie is over. There's no reason to stay around after that, it's not like there's a high likelihood of a post credits scene in every movie you go to.\n🤦♂️",
">\n\nMy sister was bitten by a m00se once."
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An important decision for more centralized funding, but only time will tell if the decision leads to any meaningful or durable change. I fear that local interests are too entrenched to allow for a shift to state-led funding (rather than local funding).
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I'm in CA and we have central funding. Disparities still exists. Much of the nice to haves (arts, field trips, etc.) are funded by PTAs which rely on local parent contributions.
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"An important decision for more centralized funding, but only time will tell if the decision leads to any meaningful or durable change. I fear that local interests are too entrenched to allow for a shift to state-led funding (rather than local funding)."
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I support centralized baseline funding for public education, but I also recognize that such funding will not end disparities.
Educational outcomes are based upon so many factors and there are countless examples of good outcomes with low funding and vice versa.
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"An important decision for more centralized funding, but only time will tell if the decision leads to any meaningful or durable change. I fear that local interests are too entrenched to allow for a shift to state-led funding (rather than local funding).",
">\n\nI'm in CA and we have central funding. Disparities still exists. Much of the nice to haves (arts, field trips, etc.) are funded by PTAs which rely on local parent contributions."
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"An important decision for more centralized funding, but only time will tell if the decision leads to any meaningful or durable change. I fear that local interests are too entrenched to allow for a shift to state-led funding (rather than local funding).",
">\n\nI'm in CA and we have central funding. Disparities still exists. Much of the nice to haves (arts, field trips, etc.) are funded by PTAs which rely on local parent contributions.",
">\n\nI support centralized baseline funding for public education, but I also recognize that such funding will not end disparities. \nEducational outcomes are based upon so many factors and there are countless examples of good outcomes with low funding and vice versa."
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Better late than never.
The problem is much much worse than most people think.
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This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.
Remember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not "thoughts had in the shower!"
(For an explanation of what a "showerthought" is, please read this page.)
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There are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers
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There are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers"
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That does not seem to make sense
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers"
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There are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense"
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Not very many, to be fair. Lecturers in Education who teach prospective new school teachers usually start as school teachers themselves and move into their new roles with little, if any additional training. A few may have mentors.
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense",
">\n\nThere are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers"
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This. And even outside of school, teachers that attend professional development are usually taught by former teachers who have been through those courses for decades.
Source: mother was 1-6 teacher for more than 30 years before going into professional development. She did not have a trainer. She was highly regarded in her field.
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense",
">\n\nThere are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers",
">\n\nNot very many, to be fair. Lecturers in Education who teach prospective new school teachers usually start as school teachers themselves and move into their new roles with little, if any additional training. A few may have mentors."
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It is really meta studying education. Get tests about tests, curriculum about curriculum, and lessons about lessons
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense",
">\n\nThere are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers",
">\n\nNot very many, to be fair. Lecturers in Education who teach prospective new school teachers usually start as school teachers themselves and move into their new roles with little, if any additional training. A few may have mentors.",
">\n\nThis. And even outside of school, teachers that attend professional development are usually taught by former teachers who have been through those courses for decades.\nSource: mother was 1-6 teacher for more than 30 years before going into professional development. She did not have a trainer. She was highly regarded in her field."
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Yes, and there is no way to say it that isn’t awkward. I start with “literacy teacher education” but end with “I teach teachers to teach kids to read.”
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense",
">\n\nThere are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers",
">\n\nNot very many, to be fair. Lecturers in Education who teach prospective new school teachers usually start as school teachers themselves and move into their new roles with little, if any additional training. A few may have mentors.",
">\n\nThis. And even outside of school, teachers that attend professional development are usually taught by former teachers who have been through those courses for decades.\nSource: mother was 1-6 teacher for more than 30 years before going into professional development. She did not have a trainer. She was highly regarded in her field.",
">\n\nIt is really meta studying education. Get tests about tests, curriculum about curriculum, and lessons about lessons"
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I wish the professor at my university learned how to teach rather just the profession they've mastered
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense",
">\n\nThere are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers",
">\n\nNot very many, to be fair. Lecturers in Education who teach prospective new school teachers usually start as school teachers themselves and move into their new roles with little, if any additional training. A few may have mentors.",
">\n\nThis. And even outside of school, teachers that attend professional development are usually taught by former teachers who have been through those courses for decades.\nSource: mother was 1-6 teacher for more than 30 years before going into professional development. She did not have a trainer. She was highly regarded in her field.",
">\n\nIt is really meta studying education. Get tests about tests, curriculum about curriculum, and lessons about lessons",
">\n\nYes, and there is no way to say it that isn’t awkward. I start with “literacy teacher education” but end with “I teach teachers to teach kids to read.”"
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Can they teach them to stop preaching their own personal philosophy? My teacher had too many dumb opinions.
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense",
">\n\nThere are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers",
">\n\nNot very many, to be fair. Lecturers in Education who teach prospective new school teachers usually start as school teachers themselves and move into their new roles with little, if any additional training. A few may have mentors.",
">\n\nThis. And even outside of school, teachers that attend professional development are usually taught by former teachers who have been through those courses for decades.\nSource: mother was 1-6 teacher for more than 30 years before going into professional development. She did not have a trainer. She was highly regarded in her field.",
">\n\nIt is really meta studying education. Get tests about tests, curriculum about curriculum, and lessons about lessons",
">\n\nYes, and there is no way to say it that isn’t awkward. I start with “literacy teacher education” but end with “I teach teachers to teach kids to read.”",
">\n\nI wish the professor at my university learned how to teach rather just the profession they've mastered"
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One time my professor spent the whole lecture talking about how it's unprofessional to interrupt a classroom since it wastes time. I thought it was pretty funny considering how he doesn't hold himself to that standard as well lol
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense",
">\n\nThere are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers",
">\n\nNot very many, to be fair. Lecturers in Education who teach prospective new school teachers usually start as school teachers themselves and move into their new roles with little, if any additional training. A few may have mentors.",
">\n\nThis. And even outside of school, teachers that attend professional development are usually taught by former teachers who have been through those courses for decades.\nSource: mother was 1-6 teacher for more than 30 years before going into professional development. She did not have a trainer. She was highly regarded in her field.",
">\n\nIt is really meta studying education. Get tests about tests, curriculum about curriculum, and lessons about lessons",
">\n\nYes, and there is no way to say it that isn’t awkward. I start with “literacy teacher education” but end with “I teach teachers to teach kids to read.”",
">\n\nI wish the professor at my university learned how to teach rather just the profession they've mastered",
">\n\nCan they teach them to stop preaching their own personal philosophy? My teacher had too many dumb opinions."
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I have a license to teach and can confirm that most of us are not taught how to teach. I just had the hours in history 🤷
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense",
">\n\nThere are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers",
">\n\nNot very many, to be fair. Lecturers in Education who teach prospective new school teachers usually start as school teachers themselves and move into their new roles with little, if any additional training. A few may have mentors.",
">\n\nThis. And even outside of school, teachers that attend professional development are usually taught by former teachers who have been through those courses for decades.\nSource: mother was 1-6 teacher for more than 30 years before going into professional development. She did not have a trainer. She was highly regarded in her field.",
">\n\nIt is really meta studying education. Get tests about tests, curriculum about curriculum, and lessons about lessons",
">\n\nYes, and there is no way to say it that isn’t awkward. I start with “literacy teacher education” but end with “I teach teachers to teach kids to read.”",
">\n\nI wish the professor at my university learned how to teach rather just the profession they've mastered",
">\n\nCan they teach them to stop preaching their own personal philosophy? My teacher had too many dumb opinions.",
">\n\nOne time my professor spent the whole lecture talking about how it's unprofessional to interrupt a classroom since it wastes time. I thought it was pretty funny considering how he doesn't hold himself to that standard as well lol"
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">\n\nThere are preachers that preach to other Preachers how to preach to other Preachers",
">\n\nThere are bleachers that bleach to other bleachers how to bleach to other bleachers",
">\n\nThat does not seem to make sense",
">\n\nThere are sneakers that sneak to other sneakers how to sneak to other sneakers",
">\n\nNot very many, to be fair. Lecturers in Education who teach prospective new school teachers usually start as school teachers themselves and move into their new roles with little, if any additional training. A few may have mentors.",
">\n\nThis. And even outside of school, teachers that attend professional development are usually taught by former teachers who have been through those courses for decades.\nSource: mother was 1-6 teacher for more than 30 years before going into professional development. She did not have a trainer. She was highly regarded in her field.",
">\n\nIt is really meta studying education. Get tests about tests, curriculum about curriculum, and lessons about lessons",
">\n\nYes, and there is no way to say it that isn’t awkward. I start with “literacy teacher education” but end with “I teach teachers to teach kids to read.”",
">\n\nI wish the professor at my university learned how to teach rather just the profession they've mastered",
">\n\nCan they teach them to stop preaching their own personal philosophy? My teacher had too many dumb opinions.",
">\n\nOne time my professor spent the whole lecture talking about how it's unprofessional to interrupt a classroom since it wastes time. I thought it was pretty funny considering how he doesn't hold himself to that standard as well lol",
">\n\nI have a license to teach and can confirm that most of us are not taught how to teach. I just had the hours in history 🤷"
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The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.
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Isn't this what title insurance is for?
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You'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's "too expensive."
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">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?"
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A friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on.
Title insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.
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">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\""
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Did they get to keep both set of land?
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">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on."
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Ok I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house.
He got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.
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"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?"
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Wow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.
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"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house."
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Yeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.
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"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using."
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Thank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.
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"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again."
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The other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.
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">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit."
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I mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.
Even if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity
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">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is."
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particularly bad realtor
Is that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?
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"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity"
] |
>
So do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?"
] |
>
The "sellers" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?"
] |
>
It probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners."
] |
>
Source? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live."
] |
>
Technically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer."
] |
>
If your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really."
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>
Is it still your money though if you buy such a car?
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car."
] |
>
Yeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?"
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Cue IASIP theme song
The Gang Sells a House
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that."
] |
>
How is that even possible?
How do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?
They'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...
I don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House"
] |
>
I’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file.
Don’t know how Canada works.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?"
] |
>
So did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works."
] |
>
Whoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions"
] |
>
Or found out over social media.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone."
] |
>
That's actually probably most likely it.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media."
] |
>
most certainly
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it."
] |
>
It says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly"
] |
>
They were on an extended business trip
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?"
] |
>
So all their stuff? Just sat around the house?
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip"
] |
>
Probably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?"
] |
>
So who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale."
] |
>
Typically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?"
] |
>
That would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents."
] |
>
Often the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand.
Insurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another.
It happens more than people are aware.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me..."
] |
>
That makes literally zero sense.
Whats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming "Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house"
Thats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.
"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless"
yeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.
The original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware."
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>
Shows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house"
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>
How does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️"
] |
>
A similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for "us", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!
Luckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb.
So, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would "ruin my life" for doing this to her.
** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?"
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>
Still got it?
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times."
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>
No, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?"
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Thank god for the Torrens System of land registry.
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out."
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Sarcasm detected.
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry."
] |
>
What's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected."
] |
>
Its not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious."
] |
>
The article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer "took possession" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.
|
[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner."
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Nobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property."
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It generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two."
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Out of the country for a year. RTFA.
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?"
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Rtfa stand for read the fucking article?
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA."
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Robot titties for amateurs
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?"
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Random Tourists Fabricate Auction?
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?",
">\n\nRobot titties for amateurs"
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Redditors Tired of Fucking Assholeswhodontreadthearticle
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?",
">\n\nRobot titties for amateurs",
">\n\nRandom Tourists Fabricate Auction?"
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This guy reddits.
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?",
">\n\nRobot titties for amateurs",
">\n\nRandom Tourists Fabricate Auction?",
">\n\nRedditors Tired of Fucking Assholeswhodontreadthearticle"
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Are we 100% sure it wasn't George Santos? Or, I mean, Anthony Devolder.
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?",
">\n\nRobot titties for amateurs",
">\n\nRandom Tourists Fabricate Auction?",
">\n\nRedditors Tired of Fucking Assholeswhodontreadthearticle",
">\n\nThis guy reddits."
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This is horrible.
I wonder what the impersonators and/or buyers did with the original contents of the house. I mean, leaving appliances, furniture, and things like curtains are sometimes included with the sale of a house, but not usually personal effects. Even if they left all the personal items in the house when it was sold, the buyers may have purged everything. It bums me out even more thinking that the original owners may have lost irreplaceable things like photos, family heirlooms such as jewelry passed down from their grandparents to their parents to them, etc.
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?",
">\n\nRobot titties for amateurs",
">\n\nRandom Tourists Fabricate Auction?",
">\n\nRedditors Tired of Fucking Assholeswhodontreadthearticle",
">\n\nThis guy reddits.",
">\n\nAre we 100% sure it wasn't George Santos? Or, I mean, Anthony Devolder."
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Well they shouldn’t have left their sons Pete home alone.
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?",
">\n\nRobot titties for amateurs",
">\n\nRandom Tourists Fabricate Auction?",
">\n\nRedditors Tired of Fucking Assholeswhodontreadthearticle",
">\n\nThis guy reddits.",
">\n\nAre we 100% sure it wasn't George Santos? Or, I mean, Anthony Devolder.",
">\n\nThis is horrible. \nI wonder what the impersonators and/or buyers did with the original contents of the house. I mean, leaving appliances, furniture, and things like curtains are sometimes included with the sale of a house, but not usually personal effects. Even if they left all the personal items in the house when it was sold, the buyers may have purged everything. It bums me out even more thinking that the original owners may have lost irreplaceable things like photos, family heirlooms such as jewelry passed down from their grandparents to their parents to them, etc."
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maybe don't go on a trip that long
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?",
">\n\nRobot titties for amateurs",
">\n\nRandom Tourists Fabricate Auction?",
">\n\nRedditors Tired of Fucking Assholeswhodontreadthearticle",
">\n\nThis guy reddits.",
">\n\nAre we 100% sure it wasn't George Santos? Or, I mean, Anthony Devolder.",
">\n\nThis is horrible. \nI wonder what the impersonators and/or buyers did with the original contents of the house. I mean, leaving appliances, furniture, and things like curtains are sometimes included with the sale of a house, but not usually personal effects. Even if they left all the personal items in the house when it was sold, the buyers may have purged everything. It bums me out even more thinking that the original owners may have lost irreplaceable things like photos, family heirlooms such as jewelry passed down from their grandparents to their parents to them, etc.",
">\n\nWell they shouldn’t have left their sons Pete home alone."
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What a stupid comment.
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[
"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?",
">\n\nRobot titties for amateurs",
">\n\nRandom Tourists Fabricate Auction?",
">\n\nRedditors Tired of Fucking Assholeswhodontreadthearticle",
">\n\nThis guy reddits.",
">\n\nAre we 100% sure it wasn't George Santos? Or, I mean, Anthony Devolder.",
">\n\nThis is horrible. \nI wonder what the impersonators and/or buyers did with the original contents of the house. I mean, leaving appliances, furniture, and things like curtains are sometimes included with the sale of a house, but not usually personal effects. Even if they left all the personal items in the house when it was sold, the buyers may have purged everything. It bums me out even more thinking that the original owners may have lost irreplaceable things like photos, family heirlooms such as jewelry passed down from their grandparents to their parents to them, etc.",
">\n\nWell they shouldn’t have left their sons Pete home alone.",
">\n\nmaybe don't go on a trip that long"
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"The article should be saying some poor folks thought they were buying a home only to find out they were being scammed by some impersonators, this article makes it sound like the actual owners no longer have their home and if that’s the case then that’s f-ed up, laws should exist to not let that be the case.",
">\n\nIsn't this what title insurance is for?",
">\n\nYou'd be surprised how many people turn down title insurance thinking it's \"too expensive.\"",
">\n\nA friend of mine bought a house. It later turned out the house was built on the wrong property. So they purchased a house but the title showed they owned the land next to the one their house was on. \nTitle insurance kicked in and the insurance paid for the land the house was sitting on.",
">\n\nDid they get to keep both set of land?",
">\n\nOk I didn’t want to go there but there was some real legal wrangling and fighting. And to my fucking astonishment yes, he got to keep the parcel of land that was next to the house that he actually bought thinking he was buying the parcel under the house. \nHe got both tracts of land. He paid for the tract next door and the title insurance paid for the tract under his house.",
">\n\nWow I thought it was a possibility but you would think there would be a clause where the title insurance would keep the tract he isn’t using.",
">\n\nYeah me too. There were technicalities involving presumption of fraud due to that state’s laws regarding real estate which made the damages recoverable be more than the value of the land so that’s how it came to be a greater sum than was necessary to put him whole again.",
">\n\nThank you for this anecdote, seriously I live for this shit.",
">\n\nThe other day a family friend sold their house for $1.1 Million, wasn't even on the market two days and got a cash offer sight unseen. I'm surprised these scams aren't more prevalent given how insane the market is.",
">\n\nI mean, you aren't often going to find people who go on business trips for several months at a time, know when they are going, know how to get into the house easily, etc.\nEven if it sold in two days, the scammers would need lots of time to cover tracks and disappear. They'd also need to find a particularly bad realtor who won't double check their identity",
">\n\n\nparticularly bad realtor\n\nIs that 1 or 2 out of 3 realtors ?",
">\n\nSo do they get their house back? Does the family that bought it have to move out? Who is out the hundreds of thousands of dollars?",
">\n\nThe \"sellers\" never actually owned the house they were selling and so it still belongs to the original owners. Just like with stolen goods the buyers are the ones that were screwed out of their money and the property must be returned to the rightful owners.",
">\n\nIt probably depends country to country but in a lot of countries the new owner retains ownership of the property. Certainly that is true of the UK where I live.",
">\n\nSource? Nemo dat applies in uk law, if you sell something that doesn't belong to you then ownership does not transfer.",
">\n\nTechnically sure, in practice with how inefficient the land registry is not really.",
">\n\nIf your car gets stolen, and sold to some innocent buyer, it’s still your car.",
">\n\nIs it still your money though if you buy such a car?",
">\n\nYeah of course, the criminal has to give the money back. Good luck with that.",
">\n\nCue IASIP theme song \nThe Gang Sells a House",
">\n\nHow is that even possible?\nHow do you obtain all the documents and paperwork to get to that point where you sell the home and get the money from it?\nThey'd get that as a wire or a cheque, they'd need to have a bank account in the name of the original owners...\nI don't understand how any of this is possible. Anybody can explain?",
">\n\nI’m in the USA. I called my local recorder of deeds. She said a dishonest notary gets paid to falsify a transaction. You need a dishonest third party. Then the thief gets a new deed in their name. You never know it happened. I check my deed online every week. I don’t know why I can lock my deed like you can lock your credit file. \nDon’t know how Canada works.",
">\n\nSo did they break in and change the locks? How were new people able to move in? And like did they move all of the owners belongings out or did the new people just move into a furnished house with someone else's personal items? So many questions",
">\n\nWhoever did it knows* them. Or knows someone who knew about their trip and how long they would be gone.",
">\n\nOr found out over social media.",
">\n\nThat's actually probably most likely it.",
">\n\nmost certainly",
">\n\nIt says the owners only realised after a few months, might have been a second home of theirs?",
">\n\nThey were on an extended business trip",
">\n\nSo all their stuff? Just sat around the house?",
">\n\nProbably cleared out by the scammer. Or included with the sale.",
">\n\nSo who ended up being the poor suckers? The buyers I imagine?",
">\n\nTypically no. They usually get to keep the property and insurance pays out the original owner for property and contents.",
">\n\nThat would be INSANE! That CANT be true... I mean, when you buy a stolen bicycle, a Stolen ANYTHING, it always goes back to the original owner, the buyer gets screwed. Happens to Pawnshops all the time... that CAN'T be right - it is THEIR house, they own it, and the sale was fraudulent, it wasn't real.... maaaan, I'd be suing SO many people if that happened to me. Here it is my DREAM to one day own a home. I'd go d'n BALLISTIC if this happened to me...",
">\n\nOften the new owners are not aware of the scam either. They paid in good faith at closing. Usually the personal items have been cleaned out by the scammers beforehand. \nInsurance pays the amount the property sold for to the previous owner, plus an amount for interior items. There is usually no recourse for regaining the property as it is now deeded to another. \nIt happens more than people are aware.",
">\n\nThat makes literally zero sense.\nWhats to stop me from then finding someone to fraudulently selling me some rich millionaires house while they are on a vacation for 50k cash, then claiming \"Oh man I didnt knowww but I sure do get to keep the house\"\nThats nuts, that can't possibly be how it plays out.\n\"Some random bozo fucked up and got scammed so now you lose your house and get some cash, enjoy being homeless\"\nyeah, no, I'd be suing everyone I possibly can and escalating that up as high as possible. Thats my fucking house, fuck that noise, the bozo's who got scammed can get paid out and be out of a house.\nThe original actual owner of the house 100% should be the one who gets to make the call on who can be paid out and who gets to keep the house because it's their damn house",
">\n\nShows up in our newspaper every few years. 🤷🏻♀️",
">\n\nHow does the check hey cashed and not get cancelled?",
">\n\nA similar thing happened to me once. I dated a woman who turned out to be a scam artist, and after I bought a house for \"us\", she broke up with me some months later. I had no intention of living in the suburbs, so I rented it out to her. Maybe 6 months after I moved out a real estate agent came into my place of work, unannounced, and had paperwork for me to sign. Apparently my house was for sale!\nLuckily, I knew the agent from college. She was shocked I didn't know my house had a for sale sign on the front yard. Apparently, my ex-girlfriend had already met a new guy (to scam), they were engaged, and they were looking for a new house to buy. I went ahead and signed with the agent, and told her to immediately drive over to the house and change the hanging price sign to be $10,000 less. My ex was asking for way too much, so I was not being dumb. \nSo, my ex had to tell her fiancé there was something wrong with the house, and she had to sell it immediately for no profit. I have no idea how that worked out for her (or him), but she did send me a letter from FedEx to my work that said she would \"ruin my life\" for doing this to her. \n** Her reasoning was that she was the one who wanted to buy the house, but she had dreadful credit. So, she tricked me into buying it, making most of the payments, and thought I would give her all the money from a sale after she dumped me out of the blue. We only dated for like 3 months before I bought the house, and 3 months after that. Good times.",
">\n\nStill got it?",
">\n\nNo, I sold it before the market crashed in early 2007. But it had gone up 30% in a little over the year I owned it. In hindsight, I should have rented it out.",
">\n\nThank god for the Torrens System of land registry.",
">\n\nSarcasm detected.",
">\n\nWhat's wrong with the Torrens system? I'm honestly curious.",
">\n\nIts not but in this case it results in the original owner losing ownership of the house to the new owner.",
">\n\nThe article makes no mention of the original owner losing ownership of their house, just that the buyer \"took possession\" of it. I'm not sure if Toronto uses Torrens registration, but if it does, then the fraudulent sale is probably unregistered and unrecognized by the government and the buyers are unwittingly squatting on the property.",
">\n\nNobody’s talking about the poor family that was tricked into spending a shit ton of money. Those scammers fucked over at least 4 people, not just two.",
">\n\nIt generally takes 60 days to sell a house. Where was this guy?",
">\n\nOut of the country for a year. RTFA.",
">\n\nRtfa stand for read the fucking article?",
">\n\nRobot titties for amateurs",
">\n\nRandom Tourists Fabricate Auction?",
">\n\nRedditors Tired of Fucking Assholeswhodontreadthearticle",
">\n\nThis guy reddits.",
">\n\nAre we 100% sure it wasn't George Santos? Or, I mean, Anthony Devolder.",
">\n\nThis is horrible. \nI wonder what the impersonators and/or buyers did with the original contents of the house. I mean, leaving appliances, furniture, and things like curtains are sometimes included with the sale of a house, but not usually personal effects. Even if they left all the personal items in the house when it was sold, the buyers may have purged everything. It bums me out even more thinking that the original owners may have lost irreplaceable things like photos, family heirlooms such as jewelry passed down from their grandparents to their parents to them, etc.",
">\n\nWell they shouldn’t have left their sons Pete home alone.",
">\n\nmaybe don't go on a trip that long",
">\n\nWhat a stupid comment."
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This title could also be “Disposable product use skyrocketed during pandemic”.
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Yeah I bet a large amount of it has to do with gloves, laboratory pipettes, the at-home test covid test kits, people doing more take home with plastic utensils vs eating in with metal utensils, etc.
Companies that can make use of paper packaging have been trying to shift away from plastic.
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"This title could also be “Disposable product use skyrocketed during pandemic”."
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