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Now they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.
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"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it"
] |
>
I mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well."
] |
>
Interesting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.
|
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"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that"
] |
>
This new law only applies to customers dining in.
“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz."
] |
>
french there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.
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[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”"
] |
>
Neither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery."
] |
>
This is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted)."
] |
>
Both those things sound delicious.
I know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.
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"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos."
] |
>
Use wood, we did in the 60so
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in."
] |
>
Single-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.
"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so"
] |
>
That's reasonable tbh
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”"
] |
>
oh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get "cleaned" by min wage workers who dgaf.
the concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh"
] |
>
Sounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature"
] |
>
Your soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too."
] |
>
Next step: burger wrappers/boxes.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir"
] |
>
So... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes."
] |
>
The article states they will be served on plates.
For to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?"
] |
>
It’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now."
] |
>
A revolutionary increase in prices
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing."
] |
>
They're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices"
] |
>
A step in the right direction for sure, but this only applies to dine-in not drive thru, and single use plastics had already been banned, “….replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo…” So these products are now being replaced by multiple use hard plastics, which too will be discarded when they become worn. Fast food needs to die.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices",
">\n\nThey're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware."
] |
>
What would you propose as a replacement for fast food?
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices",
">\n\nThey're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware.",
">\n\nA step in the right direction for sure, but this only applies to dine-in not drive thru, and single use plastics had already been banned, “….replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo…” So these products are now being replaced by multiple use hard plastics, which too will be discarded when they become worn. Fast food needs to die."
] |
>
Soup Tube. A tube that runs to every house and dispenses thick, tasty soup directly into your eager soup gullet. Getting up to make dinner would be a thing of the past, and branching Soup Tube technology would allow an entire family to gather together in the soup room to share in the Tube-irific experience.
Think of the possibilities.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices",
">\n\nThey're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware.",
">\n\nA step in the right direction for sure, but this only applies to dine-in not drive thru, and single use plastics had already been banned, “….replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo…” So these products are now being replaced by multiple use hard plastics, which too will be discarded when they become worn. Fast food needs to die.",
">\n\nWhat would you propose as a replacement for fast food?"
] |
>
Which one are you, Tim or Eric?
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices",
">\n\nThey're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware.",
">\n\nA step in the right direction for sure, but this only applies to dine-in not drive thru, and single use plastics had already been banned, “….replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo…” So these products are now being replaced by multiple use hard plastics, which too will be discarded when they become worn. Fast food needs to die.",
">\n\nWhat would you propose as a replacement for fast food?",
">\n\nSoup Tube. A tube that runs to every house and dispenses thick, tasty soup directly into your eager soup gullet. Getting up to make dinner would be a thing of the past, and branching Soup Tube technology would allow an entire family to gather together in the soup room to share in the Tube-irific experience.\nThink of the possibilities."
] |
>
I've always felt like more of an Eric, but some days I think, y'know, maybe there's a lot more to being a Tim that I just don't know, y'know? Like, maybe being Tim would be good for me in the long run, even if it's not so easy. The discipline of Tim. The uncompromising moral fiber of Tim. To live and learn, to love and lose, as Tim. Eric is who I could be, but Tim is who I could become.
Unless this is a reference to something, in which case, I don't know.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices",
">\n\nThey're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware.",
">\n\nA step in the right direction for sure, but this only applies to dine-in not drive thru, and single use plastics had already been banned, “….replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo…” So these products are now being replaced by multiple use hard plastics, which too will be discarded when they become worn. Fast food needs to die.",
">\n\nWhat would you propose as a replacement for fast food?",
">\n\nSoup Tube. A tube that runs to every house and dispenses thick, tasty soup directly into your eager soup gullet. Getting up to make dinner would be a thing of the past, and branching Soup Tube technology would allow an entire family to gather together in the soup room to share in the Tube-irific experience.\nThink of the possibilities.",
">\n\nWhich one are you, Tim or Eric?"
] |
>
Damn, given the sense of humor in both comments I would think you'd be familiar with Tim & Eric. Definitely watch some old episodes of Awesome Show and Tom Goes to the Mayor. Billion Dollar Movie is great too. Check It Out with Dr. Steve Brule got its own spinoff which is hilarious. They went on to make two other shows more recently in their careers, Bedtime Stories and Beef House.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices",
">\n\nThey're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware.",
">\n\nA step in the right direction for sure, but this only applies to dine-in not drive thru, and single use plastics had already been banned, “….replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo…” So these products are now being replaced by multiple use hard plastics, which too will be discarded when they become worn. Fast food needs to die.",
">\n\nWhat would you propose as a replacement for fast food?",
">\n\nSoup Tube. A tube that runs to every house and dispenses thick, tasty soup directly into your eager soup gullet. Getting up to make dinner would be a thing of the past, and branching Soup Tube technology would allow an entire family to gather together in the soup room to share in the Tube-irific experience.\nThink of the possibilities.",
">\n\nWhich one are you, Tim or Eric?",
">\n\nI've always felt like more of an Eric, but some days I think, y'know, maybe there's a lot more to being a Tim that I just don't know, y'know? Like, maybe being Tim would be good for me in the long run, even if it's not so easy. The discipline of Tim. The uncompromising moral fiber of Tim. To live and learn, to love and lose, as Tim. Eric is who I could be, but Tim is who I could become.\nUnless this is a reference to something, in which case, I don't know."
] |
>
I do remember seeing the name on Adult Swim many years back, but never got around to watching any of it, so I'll have to give it a look. I can always use some more absurd humor to pair with acid and a dedicated attempt to ignore my problems.
|
[
"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices",
">\n\nThey're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware.",
">\n\nA step in the right direction for sure, but this only applies to dine-in not drive thru, and single use plastics had already been banned, “….replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo…” So these products are now being replaced by multiple use hard plastics, which too will be discarded when they become worn. Fast food needs to die.",
">\n\nWhat would you propose as a replacement for fast food?",
">\n\nSoup Tube. A tube that runs to every house and dispenses thick, tasty soup directly into your eager soup gullet. Getting up to make dinner would be a thing of the past, and branching Soup Tube technology would allow an entire family to gather together in the soup room to share in the Tube-irific experience.\nThink of the possibilities.",
">\n\nWhich one are you, Tim or Eric?",
">\n\nI've always felt like more of an Eric, but some days I think, y'know, maybe there's a lot more to being a Tim that I just don't know, y'know? Like, maybe being Tim would be good for me in the long run, even if it's not so easy. The discipline of Tim. The uncompromising moral fiber of Tim. To live and learn, to love and lose, as Tim. Eric is who I could be, but Tim is who I could become.\nUnless this is a reference to something, in which case, I don't know.",
">\n\nDamn, given the sense of humor in both comments I would think you'd be familiar with Tim & Eric. Definitely watch some old episodes of Awesome Show and Tom Goes to the Mayor. Billion Dollar Movie is great too. Check It Out with Dr. Steve Brule got its own spinoff which is hilarious. They went on to make two other shows more recently in their careers, Bedtime Stories and Beef House."
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"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices",
">\n\nThey're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware.",
">\n\nA step in the right direction for sure, but this only applies to dine-in not drive thru, and single use plastics had already been banned, “….replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo…” So these products are now being replaced by multiple use hard plastics, which too will be discarded when they become worn. Fast food needs to die.",
">\n\nWhat would you propose as a replacement for fast food?",
">\n\nSoup Tube. A tube that runs to every house and dispenses thick, tasty soup directly into your eager soup gullet. Getting up to make dinner would be a thing of the past, and branching Soup Tube technology would allow an entire family to gather together in the soup room to share in the Tube-irific experience.\nThink of the possibilities.",
">\n\nWhich one are you, Tim or Eric?",
">\n\nI've always felt like more of an Eric, but some days I think, y'know, maybe there's a lot more to being a Tim that I just don't know, y'know? Like, maybe being Tim would be good for me in the long run, even if it's not so easy. The discipline of Tim. The uncompromising moral fiber of Tim. To live and learn, to love and lose, as Tim. Eric is who I could be, but Tim is who I could become.\nUnless this is a reference to something, in which case, I don't know.",
">\n\nDamn, given the sense of humor in both comments I would think you'd be familiar with Tim & Eric. Definitely watch some old episodes of Awesome Show and Tom Goes to the Mayor. Billion Dollar Movie is great too. Check It Out with Dr. Steve Brule got its own spinoff which is hilarious. They went on to make two other shows more recently in their careers, Bedtime Stories and Beef House.",
">\n\nI do remember seeing the name on Adult Swim many years back, but never got around to watching any of it, so I'll have to give it a look. I can always use some more absurd humor to pair with acid and a dedicated attempt to ignore my problems."
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"“Under the new rules, any restaurant with more than 20 seats – including work canteens, bakery chains, fast-food and sushi outlets – will have to provide reusable, washable cups, plates, dishes and cutlery for customers eating in.”\nPost COVID I rarely see people dinning in at fast food restaurants. I assume the quickest way to become compliant in most locations is to reduce the number of seats to 20.",
">\n\n“Work canteens” (aka cafeterias) will be a big one. Large manufacturers won’t want to get rid of it, and seats can’t be reduced to less than 20.",
">\n\nLarge cafeterias in France generally have reusable plates and cutlery. It simply saves money.",
">\n\nOpposite here in the states. Having the disposable plates and cutlery saves on having to pay a dishwasher.",
">\n\nI don't think I have ever been to a cafeteria here in the states that didn't have reusable plates and cups. Schools, universities, hospitals, even commercial ones like K&W cafeteria or Ikea.",
">\n\nI work at a large (Fortune 100) manufacturer in the Midwest. Plates are compostable, cutlery is plastic. Cafeteria is contracted out to Aramark across all their US locations.",
">\n\nThey've come out with better straws recently that don't turn into sog but still biodegradable. Paper plates are phenomenal now. Why haven't they come out with biodegradable cutlery yet? Is that a thing in some places? I have never seen them anywhere when I've traveled.",
">\n\nRecently ate in a cafeteria at a museum. Cutlery was biodegradable",
">\n\nAnd now restaurants will offer limited edition forks and spoons for sale, and customers will collect a few dozen before throwing them out. Just like with the Dickies cups and KFC containers I've accumulated over the years.",
">\n\nSo back to those fake frosted plastic sofa cups you used to get at the bowling alley that were un breakable and lasted forever?",
">\n\nAny help available for non-bowlers?\n'sofa cups' search doesn't seem relevant.",
">\n\nMeant soda cups but now I feel someone needs to invent a sofa cup!",
">\n\nPlastic spork manufacturers are rejoicing",
">\n\nshouldnt they be sad",
">\n\nNo because a spork has two uses!",
">\n\nmr u/confident_mark owes you a share of my upvote.",
">\n\nAnd if anyone knows a Revolution, it’s France.",
">\n\nI'm not going to trust McDonald's to properly sterilize cutlery other customers before me have used.",
">\n\nThankfully you don’t need a fork to eat a hamburger or fries. I would definitely rethink eating anything that needed a fork like a pancake or loaded fries if something like was passed where I live.",
">\n\nIce cream?",
">\n\nYou don’t need a spoon if you get it on a cone!",
">\n\nMcFlurry is going to be tough using your hands.",
">\n\nJust heat it up and drink it",
">\n\nNow they just need to normalize providing rewashable cutlery in each room in hotels and they can get rid of one of the main reasons why people need disposable cutlery for takeout as well.",
">\n\nI mean Canada just did this as well, all single use plastics actually. Companies have 12 months to use the stock they have left, and it comes with a step fine if they are used after that",
">\n\nInteresting. I get they want to reduce the trash that ends up in the oceans, animals stomachs, etc. But to now want to do away with the cardboard, paper items....We just don't live in that world. Big time Fast food places may be able to afford it, though up goes those prices. Small businesses that use single use items, cannot afford to switch in the future if they do away with the single use-somewhat better alternatives to reusuable. How in the living fk are they supposed to make sure people return that load of items? I'm a small bakery & provide things such as tiered cupcakes stands, cake stands, etc for a deposit. That alone is somewhat of a nightmare. People are just not into returning things on time, nor in good shape. Then you have to spend the time looking for replacements. And I'm a small place. The only thing really would be for people to use their own(cutlery, plates, etc.)..... though if something like this ever occured in the states, health codes & inspections would need a complete overhaul-since that is one main component to the food biz.",
">\n\nThis new law only applies to customers dining in.\n“The law concerns only tableware used by customers sitting down in restaurants. Anyone ordering takeaway, for example from McDonald’s, will continue to receive single-use packaging.”",
">\n\nfrench there, if i'm not wrong takeaway should be recyclable at least. The place I work is switching from plastic to cardboard and wood cutlery.",
">\n\nNeither food-contaminated cardboard or wood are recyclable (though they can be burned for energy or composted).",
">\n\nThis is going to be a boon for culinary creativity and adoption of hand-held foods. Say hello to orange chicken and fried rice burgers and katsu curry burritos.",
">\n\nBoth those things sound delicious.\nI know a place that sells bulgogi gimbaps. Think 'sushi roll', except it's marinated beef in there, different rice too. A reusable bread bag is perfectly fine to stuff those in.",
">\n\nUse wood, we did in the 60so",
">\n\nSingle-use plastic was already banned. Advocates for this law passed it because they were upset with the switch to wood and bamboo instead of durable goods.\n\n\"Although single-use plastic had already been banned, it had been replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo, which we consider an unacceptable waste of resources.”",
">\n\nThat's reasonable tbh",
">\n\noh look, france is getting ready for a new disease ourbreak, when the reusable utensils get \"cleaned\" by min wage workers who dgaf.\nthe concept is well intentioned, but is going to have significant health consequences due to human nature",
">\n\nSounds fantastic. Wish this would be the case where I live too.",
">\n\nYour soggy fries steamed in a plastic cup sir",
">\n\nNext step: burger wrappers/boxes.",
">\n\nSo... How are you expecting them to serve said fastfood burger? On a plate?",
">\n\nThe article states they will be served on plates. \nFor to-go orders, perhaps reusable containers and bags, akin to grocery shopping in parts of the US now.",
">\n\nIt’s a small step, but it’s better than nothing.",
">\n\nA revolutionary increase in prices",
">\n\nThey're gonna have a lot of stolen reusable tableware.",
">\n\nA step in the right direction for sure, but this only applies to dine-in not drive thru, and single use plastics had already been banned, “….replaced by large amounts of throwaway products like cardboard, wood, bamboo…” So these products are now being replaced by multiple use hard plastics, which too will be discarded when they become worn. Fast food needs to die.",
">\n\nWhat would you propose as a replacement for fast food?",
">\n\nSoup Tube. A tube that runs to every house and dispenses thick, tasty soup directly into your eager soup gullet. Getting up to make dinner would be a thing of the past, and branching Soup Tube technology would allow an entire family to gather together in the soup room to share in the Tube-irific experience.\nThink of the possibilities.",
">\n\nWhich one are you, Tim or Eric?",
">\n\nI've always felt like more of an Eric, but some days I think, y'know, maybe there's a lot more to being a Tim that I just don't know, y'know? Like, maybe being Tim would be good for me in the long run, even if it's not so easy. The discipline of Tim. The uncompromising moral fiber of Tim. To live and learn, to love and lose, as Tim. Eric is who I could be, but Tim is who I could become.\nUnless this is a reference to something, in which case, I don't know.",
">\n\nDamn, given the sense of humor in both comments I would think you'd be familiar with Tim & Eric. Definitely watch some old episodes of Awesome Show and Tom Goes to the Mayor. Billion Dollar Movie is great too. Check It Out with Dr. Steve Brule got its own spinoff which is hilarious. They went on to make two other shows more recently in their careers, Bedtime Stories and Beef House.",
">\n\nI do remember seeing the name on Adult Swim many years back, but never got around to watching any of it, so I'll have to give it a look. I can always use some more absurd humor to pair with acid and a dedicated attempt to ignore my problems.",
">\n\nHey, what do you know, that's the perfect way to enjoy a little Tim & Eric."
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He seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.
Or is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?
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Is there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?"
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I suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?"
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It's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how "small dick energy" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.
Like... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.
Why did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?"
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Small dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?"
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So what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it?
Anyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time."
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I think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention"
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He was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one"
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He might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick"
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What about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals."
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Simply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted.
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?"
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You are not showing any proof that it is a persona and he doesn't believe it. Everything says the opposite, and he is harming people. And again, regardless if it is a persona, it is a dangerous one and shouldn't be tolerated
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?",
">\n\nSimply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted."
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It’s speculation either way. It’s just about changing my view.
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?",
">\n\nSimply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted.",
">\n\nYou are not showing any proof that it is a persona and he doesn't believe it. Everything says the opposite, and he is harming people. And again, regardless if it is a persona, it is a dangerous one and shouldn't be tolerated"
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I asked before what it would take to change your view?
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?",
">\n\nSimply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted.",
">\n\nYou are not showing any proof that it is a persona and he doesn't believe it. Everything says the opposite, and he is harming people. And again, regardless if it is a persona, it is a dangerous one and shouldn't be tolerated",
">\n\nIt’s speculation either way. It’s just about changing my view."
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Do you mean he's a troll, a la Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, etc?
We're aware.
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?",
">\n\nSimply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted.",
">\n\nYou are not showing any proof that it is a persona and he doesn't believe it. Everything says the opposite, and he is harming people. And again, regardless if it is a persona, it is a dangerous one and shouldn't be tolerated",
">\n\nIt’s speculation either way. It’s just about changing my view.",
">\n\nI asked before what it would take to change your view?"
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OP is saying that Andrew Tate's personality isn't real - that Andrew Tate himself plays a character and doesn't really believe what he's saying.
I'm pretty sure guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro believe what they're saying.
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?",
">\n\nSimply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted.",
">\n\nYou are not showing any proof that it is a persona and he doesn't believe it. Everything says the opposite, and he is harming people. And again, regardless if it is a persona, it is a dangerous one and shouldn't be tolerated",
">\n\nIt’s speculation either way. It’s just about changing my view.",
">\n\nI asked before what it would take to change your view?",
">\n\nDo you mean he's a troll, a la Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, etc?\nWe're aware."
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OP is saying that Andrew Tate's personality isn't real - that Andrew Tate himself plays a character and doesn't really believe what he's saying.
Yeah, troll.
I'm pretty sure guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro believe what they're saying.
Come on. They realized they can profit off the dopey. They do.
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">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?",
">\n\nSimply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted.",
">\n\nYou are not showing any proof that it is a persona and he doesn't believe it. Everything says the opposite, and he is harming people. And again, regardless if it is a persona, it is a dangerous one and shouldn't be tolerated",
">\n\nIt’s speculation either way. It’s just about changing my view.",
">\n\nI asked before what it would take to change your view?",
">\n\nDo you mean he's a troll, a la Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, etc?\nWe're aware.",
">\n\nOP is saying that Andrew Tate's personality isn't real - that Andrew Tate himself plays a character and doesn't really believe what he's saying.\nI'm pretty sure guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro believe what they're saying."
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Come on. They realized they can profit off the dopey. They do.
They're been saying the same things since before they were popular though. You can still read Ben Shapiro's early columns or watch Jordan Peterson's UofT lectures from before he (accidentally) became popular.
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"/u/suziedrafton (OP) has awarded 2 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?",
">\n\nSimply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted.",
">\n\nYou are not showing any proof that it is a persona and he doesn't believe it. Everything says the opposite, and he is harming people. And again, regardless if it is a persona, it is a dangerous one and shouldn't be tolerated",
">\n\nIt’s speculation either way. It’s just about changing my view.",
">\n\nI asked before what it would take to change your view?",
">\n\nDo you mean he's a troll, a la Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, etc?\nWe're aware.",
">\n\nOP is saying that Andrew Tate's personality isn't real - that Andrew Tate himself plays a character and doesn't really believe what he's saying.\nI'm pretty sure guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro believe what they're saying.",
">\n\n\nOP is saying that Andrew Tate's personality isn't real - that Andrew Tate himself plays a character and doesn't really believe what he's saying.\n\nYeah, troll. \n\nI'm pretty sure guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro believe what they're saying.\n\nCome on. They realized they can profit off the dopey. They do."
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Does it matter though?
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"/u/suziedrafton (OP) has awarded 2 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?",
">\n\nSimply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted.",
">\n\nYou are not showing any proof that it is a persona and he doesn't believe it. Everything says the opposite, and he is harming people. And again, regardless if it is a persona, it is a dangerous one and shouldn't be tolerated",
">\n\nIt’s speculation either way. It’s just about changing my view.",
">\n\nI asked before what it would take to change your view?",
">\n\nDo you mean he's a troll, a la Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, etc?\nWe're aware.",
">\n\nOP is saying that Andrew Tate's personality isn't real - that Andrew Tate himself plays a character and doesn't really believe what he's saying.\nI'm pretty sure guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro believe what they're saying.",
">\n\n\nOP is saying that Andrew Tate's personality isn't real - that Andrew Tate himself plays a character and doesn't really believe what he's saying.\n\nYeah, troll. \n\nI'm pretty sure guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro believe what they're saying.\n\nCome on. They realized they can profit off the dopey. They do.",
">\n\n\nCome on. They realized they can profit off the dopey. They do.\n\nThey're been saying the same things since before they were popular though. You can still read Ben Shapiro's early columns or watch Jordan Peterson's UofT lectures from before he (accidentally) became popular."
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"/u/suziedrafton (OP) has awarded 2 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nHe seems pretty committed to his supposedly fake complete disgust and hatred of women that he routinely exploits and trafficks them as property.\nOr is the idea that both the UK and Romanian police are in on the persona?",
">\n\nIs there solid evidence that he was actually wanted in Romania?",
">\n\nI suppose you believe the Romanian police detain and raid the houses of everyone living in the country?",
">\n\nIt's really hard to believe he's not real when we've had two CMVs today in his defense (and maybe others that got posted and deleted that I never saw). These are people who wrote these defenses of their own volition. They could have done literally anything with their lives, called their mom, played some Minecraft, baked some cookies, read that book that's been on their list forever, but no, they still decided, entirely on their own, that the best use of their time right now would be to complain about how \"small dick energy\" is offensive and that this attack on a self-proclaimed misogynist, WHO WAS JUST ARRESTED FOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING, was uncalled for and mean.\nLike... Let's face it, some people in this world are really fucked up, and apparently a lot more people are indeed fucked up than we care to admit, if this is really the big issue on people's minds. If the reaction to him was, wtf, why would anyone listen to him, why does he have a following, lol he got burned bad and he totally deserved it and there's literally no reason to think otherwise, then sure, I might believe he's fake. But there's already so much happening in his defense and enough people willing to listen to him to make him well-known in the first place that I see no reason to think he's fake at all.\nWhy did he become famous if the things he says and does are purportedly appalling and ridiculous?",
">\n\nSmall dick energy is offensive. We never get a time to mention it. It's always dismissed. Why not bring it up when it's literally the most liked thing on Twitter. Like even if Tate is bad the comments hurt us, not him. And we've been trying to say this for quite some time.",
">\n\nSo what is the view you are looking to change and what would it take to change it? \nAnyone can see Tate is a misogynistic d**k who sees women as his pets, and anyone who thinks that's ok needs some intervention",
">\n\nI think that persona was highly formulated, seeing women as pets is going to attract attention, it’s an act and a very obvious one",
">\n\nHe was literally just arrested.. but regardless if your persona is influential to others and encourages other people to think that way, then no irrespective if you actually believe those views or not, it doesn't change the fact you(Tate) are still a dick",
">\n\nHe might be, but I think it’s good to remember he is scamming the men who believe in his ideals.",
">\n\nWhat about his lifestyle says he doesn't believe what he is saying?",
">\n\nSimply because it works too well, everything he says and does is perfect for attracting attention and solidifying fans. That Greta Thunberg tweet was so aggressively purposeful, the reaction was exactly what he would have wanted.",
">\n\nYou are not showing any proof that it is a persona and he doesn't believe it. Everything says the opposite, and he is harming people. And again, regardless if it is a persona, it is a dangerous one and shouldn't be tolerated",
">\n\nIt’s speculation either way. It’s just about changing my view.",
">\n\nI asked before what it would take to change your view?",
">\n\nDo you mean he's a troll, a la Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, etc?\nWe're aware.",
">\n\nOP is saying that Andrew Tate's personality isn't real - that Andrew Tate himself plays a character and doesn't really believe what he's saying.\nI'm pretty sure guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro believe what they're saying.",
">\n\n\nOP is saying that Andrew Tate's personality isn't real - that Andrew Tate himself plays a character and doesn't really believe what he's saying.\n\nYeah, troll. \n\nI'm pretty sure guys like Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro believe what they're saying.\n\nCome on. They realized they can profit off the dopey. They do.",
">\n\n\nCome on. They realized they can profit off the dopey. They do.\n\nThey're been saying the same things since before they were popular though. You can still read Ben Shapiro's early columns or watch Jordan Peterson's UofT lectures from before he (accidentally) became popular.",
">\n\nDoes it matter though?"
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God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.
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Kyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.
Sadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/
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Huh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/"
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Smart architects.
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters."
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That’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects."
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Wasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine."
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Yes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?"
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Fuck Putin the Terrorist
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it."
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30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.
Sergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist"
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How do the Russians suddenly have so many missiles? Could the sanctions buster be getting around sanctions to get chips for the missiles?
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist",
">\n\n30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.\nSergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration"
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It could be that a lot of what we read is actually biased and alot of what Russians read is actually biased.
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist",
">\n\n30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.\nSergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration",
">\n\nHow do the Russians suddenly have so many missiles? Could the sanctions buster be getting around sanctions to get chips for the missiles?"
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Fuck Russia. I think it’s time I volunteer to go fight. I’ve had enough of this shit. Russian boys I’m coming for you.
These poor people. I can no longer sit by and watch! Time to contact the NYC embassy..
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"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist",
">\n\n30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.\nSergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration",
">\n\nHow do the Russians suddenly have so many missiles? Could the sanctions buster be getting around sanctions to get chips for the missiles?",
">\n\nIt could be that a lot of what we read is actually biased and alot of what Russians read is actually biased."
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If you don't have combat experience you're fucked.
Btw, you don't want that smoke...... Just something to think about.
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[
"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist",
">\n\n30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.\nSergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration",
">\n\nHow do the Russians suddenly have so many missiles? Could the sanctions buster be getting around sanctions to get chips for the missiles?",
">\n\nIt could be that a lot of what we read is actually biased and alot of what Russians read is actually biased.",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I think it’s time I volunteer to go fight. I’ve had enough of this shit. Russian boys I’m coming for you.\nThese poor people. I can no longer sit by and watch! Time to contact the NYC embassy.."
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Yeah I don’t want the winter. But I do want that smoke. I have combat experience. These people need help.. it hurts to sit by and watch that I can give my time and presence to help at least 1 person.
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[
"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist",
">\n\n30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.\nSergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration",
">\n\nHow do the Russians suddenly have so many missiles? Could the sanctions buster be getting around sanctions to get chips for the missiles?",
">\n\nIt could be that a lot of what we read is actually biased and alot of what Russians read is actually biased.",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I think it’s time I volunteer to go fight. I’ve had enough of this shit. Russian boys I’m coming for you.\nThese poor people. I can no longer sit by and watch! Time to contact the NYC embassy..",
">\n\nIf you don't have combat experience you're fucked. \nBtw, you don't want that smoke...... Just something to think about."
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Stop.
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[
"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist",
">\n\n30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.\nSergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration",
">\n\nHow do the Russians suddenly have so many missiles? Could the sanctions buster be getting around sanctions to get chips for the missiles?",
">\n\nIt could be that a lot of what we read is actually biased and alot of what Russians read is actually biased.",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I think it’s time I volunteer to go fight. I’ve had enough of this shit. Russian boys I’m coming for you.\nThese poor people. I can no longer sit by and watch! Time to contact the NYC embassy..",
">\n\nIf you don't have combat experience you're fucked. \nBtw, you don't want that smoke...... Just something to think about.",
">\n\nYeah I don’t want the winter. But I do want that smoke. I have combat experience. These people need help.. it hurts to sit by and watch that I can give my time and presence to help at least 1 person."
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He did it, he ended the war
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[
"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist",
">\n\n30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.\nSergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration",
">\n\nHow do the Russians suddenly have so many missiles? Could the sanctions buster be getting around sanctions to get chips for the missiles?",
">\n\nIt could be that a lot of what we read is actually biased and alot of what Russians read is actually biased.",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I think it’s time I volunteer to go fight. I’ve had enough of this shit. Russian boys I’m coming for you.\nThese poor people. I can no longer sit by and watch! Time to contact the NYC embassy..",
">\n\nIf you don't have combat experience you're fucked. \nBtw, you don't want that smoke...... Just something to think about.",
">\n\nYeah I don’t want the winter. But I do want that smoke. I have combat experience. These people need help.. it hurts to sit by and watch that I can give my time and presence to help at least 1 person.",
">\n\nStop."
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It was that simple this whole time! Why didn't we think of it before?!
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[
"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist",
">\n\n30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.\nSergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration",
">\n\nHow do the Russians suddenly have so many missiles? Could the sanctions buster be getting around sanctions to get chips for the missiles?",
">\n\nIt could be that a lot of what we read is actually biased and alot of what Russians read is actually biased.",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I think it’s time I volunteer to go fight. I’ve had enough of this shit. Russian boys I’m coming for you.\nThese poor people. I can no longer sit by and watch! Time to contact the NYC embassy..",
">\n\nIf you don't have combat experience you're fucked. \nBtw, you don't want that smoke...... Just something to think about.",
">\n\nYeah I don’t want the winter. But I do want that smoke. I have combat experience. These people need help.. it hurts to sit by and watch that I can give my time and presence to help at least 1 person.",
">\n\nStop.",
">\n\nHe did it, he ended the war"
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[
"God these poor people...it's got to be so cold out there. Putin can't die quickly or painfully enough.",
">\n\nKyiv subways are usually warm in the winter and that's where most of the shelters are. But yeah, I get it; can't imagine living there under constant threat.\nSadly some people might take the warning lightly and not go to shelters. Zelensky even said in his Letterman interview that people are getting used to air raid sirens =/",
">\n\nHuh. I knew the Moscow subway was built deep to double as a blast shelter. Kyiv's is 21 meters lower at its deepest, at 105 meters.",
">\n\nSmart architects.",
">\n\nThat’s because the smartest and most qualified people in the USSR came from Ukraine.",
">\n\nWasn’t that sub, the Moskova, built in Ukraine?",
">\n\nYes a long time ago, then the Russians stole it.",
">\n\nFuck Putin the Terrorist",
">\n\n30 of December was 5 Shaheds. one office building was damaged + some windows of civil building.\nSergii Popkov, Kyiv's military administration",
">\n\nHow do the Russians suddenly have so many missiles? Could the sanctions buster be getting around sanctions to get chips for the missiles?",
">\n\nIt could be that a lot of what we read is actually biased and alot of what Russians read is actually biased.",
">\n\nFuck Russia. I think it’s time I volunteer to go fight. I’ve had enough of this shit. Russian boys I’m coming for you.\nThese poor people. I can no longer sit by and watch! Time to contact the NYC embassy..",
">\n\nIf you don't have combat experience you're fucked. \nBtw, you don't want that smoke...... Just something to think about.",
">\n\nYeah I don’t want the winter. But I do want that smoke. I have combat experience. These people need help.. it hurts to sit by and watch that I can give my time and presence to help at least 1 person.",
">\n\nStop.",
">\n\nHe did it, he ended the war",
">\n\nIt was that simple this whole time! Why didn't we think of it before?!"
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The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.
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Social murder
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"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit."
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Cruelty is the point.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder"
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>
He had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.
There was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.
[...]
But while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.
[...]
The jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point."
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>
What about challenging them on the claim that "he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services."
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you can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?"
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That lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned."
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They usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees."
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If they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win..."
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I don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00"
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Her case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well."
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I agree! The whole system is so screwed up.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost."
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>
This is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up."
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>
War of attrition.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for."
] |
>
Government services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition."
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People (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis."
] |
>
Was this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead."
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It has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.
We used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.
So now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.
Skilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.
In demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies."
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Got ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades.
I know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world."
] |
>
I did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off."
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Typewriter Repair Technician
Laserdisc Sales Representative
Cassette Rewinder
Flip Phone Flipper
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating."
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>
Except for the first one, those would be too recent.
Try 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.
My grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper"
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Two Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario."
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This country is a joke too.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke"
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Right they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too."
] |
>
Your honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can"
] |
>
The 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process.
It’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858."
] |
>
Honestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.
It's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved."
] |
>
The first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)
The ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).
Once you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges."
] |
>
Literally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision."
] |
>
I thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it."
] |
>
They have to exist in the local economy in theory.
If you're over 50 they have to have "little vocational adjustment" and if over 60 they don't do a job search
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?"
] |
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