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"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search"
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The concept with the "little vocational adjustment" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?"
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I was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.
The judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.
Hope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their "first" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work."
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This is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money."
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They will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help.
Even then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain."
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So much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later."
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Every time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”
EBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working."
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>
Yep, the same people who talk about “government making it so easy not to work” usually have never been in a situation where they needed the safety net.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.",
">\n\nEvery time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”\nEBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with."
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>
Bingo.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.",
">\n\nEvery time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”\nEBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with.",
">\n\nYep, the same people who talk about “government making it so easy not to work” usually have never been in a situation where they needed the safety net."
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Half a century. Half a fucking century.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.",
">\n\nEvery time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”\nEBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with.",
">\n\nYep, the same people who talk about “government making it so easy not to work” usually have never been in a situation where they needed the safety net.",
">\n\nBingo."
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>
They don’t want to give us the money we’ve paid into the program.
|
[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.",
">\n\nEvery time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”\nEBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with.",
">\n\nYep, the same people who talk about “government making it so easy not to work” usually have never been in a situation where they needed the safety net.",
">\n\nBingo.",
">\n\nHalf a century. Half a fucking century."
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Seems like every goverment form... Are you a disabled rail road worker.... Why do they only care if you worked on a railroad ?
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.",
">\n\nEvery time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”\nEBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with.",
">\n\nYep, the same people who talk about “government making it so easy not to work” usually have never been in a situation where they needed the safety net.",
">\n\nBingo.",
">\n\nHalf a century. Half a fucking century.",
">\n\nThey don’t want to give us the money we’ve paid into the program."
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We will be fixing this shit before I need Social Security benefits. Let’s do this, Gen X!
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.",
">\n\nEvery time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”\nEBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with.",
">\n\nYep, the same people who talk about “government making it so easy not to work” usually have never been in a situation where they needed the safety net.",
">\n\nBingo.",
">\n\nHalf a century. Half a fucking century.",
">\n\nThey don’t want to give us the money we’ve paid into the program.",
">\n\nSeems like every goverment form... Are you a disabled rail road worker.... Why do they only care if you worked on a railroad ?"
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Does it matter which state you live in when apply for disability?
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.",
">\n\nEvery time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”\nEBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with.",
">\n\nYep, the same people who talk about “government making it so easy not to work” usually have never been in a situation where they needed the safety net.",
">\n\nBingo.",
">\n\nHalf a century. Half a fucking century.",
">\n\nThey don’t want to give us the money we’ve paid into the program.",
">\n\nSeems like every goverment form... Are you a disabled rail road worker.... Why do they only care if you worked on a railroad ?",
">\n\nWe will be fixing this shit before I need Social Security benefits. Let’s do this, Gen X!"
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Yes. Approval rates vary by state. You can see this on the government website.
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[
"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.",
">\n\nEvery time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”\nEBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with.",
">\n\nYep, the same people who talk about “government making it so easy not to work” usually have never been in a situation where they needed the safety net.",
">\n\nBingo.",
">\n\nHalf a century. Half a fucking century.",
">\n\nThey don’t want to give us the money we’ve paid into the program.",
">\n\nSeems like every goverment form... Are you a disabled rail road worker.... Why do they only care if you worked on a railroad ?",
">\n\nWe will be fixing this shit before I need Social Security benefits. Let’s do this, Gen X!",
">\n\nDoes it matter which state you live in when apply for disability?"
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"The purposeful construction of impassable hurdles for social safety nets is some next level dystopian shit.",
">\n\nSocial murder",
">\n\nCruelty is the point.",
">\n\n\nHe had made it through four years of denials and appeals, and Robert Heard was finally before a Social Security judge who would decide whether he qualified for disability benefits. Two debilitating strokes had left the 47-year-old electrician with halting speech, an enlarged heart and violent tremors.\nThere was just one final step: A vocational expert hired by the Social Security Administration had to tell the judge if there was any work Heard could still do despite his condition. Heard was stunned as the expert canvassed his computer and announced his findings: He could find work as a nut sorter, a dowel inspector or an egg processor — jobs that virtually no longer exist in the United States.\n[...]\nBut while the judge agreed that Heard had multiple, severe impairments, he denied him benefits, writing that he had “job opportunities” in three occupations that are nearly obsolete and agreeing with the expert’s dubious claim that 130,000 positions were still available sorting nuts, inspecting dowels and processing eggs.\n[...]\nThe jobs are spelled out in an exhaustive publication known as the Dictionary of Occupational Titles. The vast majority of the 12,700 entries were last updated in 1977. The Department of Labor, which originally compiled the index, abandoned it 31 years ago in a sign of the economy’s shift from blue-collar manufacturing to information and services.",
">\n\nWhat about challenging them on the claim that \"he had 'job opportunities' in three occupations\" by asking them to produce job postings for those jobs?",
">\n\nyou can't. my mom dealt with SS disability for 5 years before hers was approved, and they came up with 3 jobs she could do, 3 times over, just like this guy, and she had to appeal it 4 times thru her lawyer because those jobs didn't physically exist anymore. She finally asked for a different judge, and the judge finally granted it after the same bullshit. It cost her 5 years, and 12000 in lawyers fees to get her disability benefits. when the lawyer started filing paperwork to get challenge the constitutionality of the list of jobs, she was approved. this took 5 years. 5 years too long. the system was broken by republicans in the 1970's, and was done that way on purpose to make it impossible to get benefits you pay for and earned.",
">\n\nThat lawyer did her a solid. That sounds like way more than 12k worth of attorneys fees.",
">\n\nThey usually do these as a percentage, and only collect if they win...",
">\n\nIf they are a Disability Attorney they only collect when the disability is approved. It's max of 25% and $6000.00",
">\n\nI don't know where you got the $6,000 cap, but they can charge whatever they want, and yes he did indeed have to wait until she won. Super nice guy though knew how to work the system really well.",
">\n\nHer case took 5 years and five appeals. My guess is that he petitioned to allow his fee to increase, I don't blame him. In my opinion, it's well worth the cost for my mom. My mother also believes he was well worth the cost.",
">\n\nI agree! The whole system is so screwed up.",
">\n\nThis is an excuse - the system is designed to make it harder to get help, which is the fundamental problem. Don't get me wrong, by all means fix it, but it's worth a note even with Republican desperation to justify witch hunts against safety nets, the rate of fraud continues to be so low as to outcost the very thing they're hunting for.",
">\n\nWar of attrition.",
">\n\nGovernment services in the US are grossly neglected and underfunded. I remember when the pandemic first hit and a lot of people got laid off/furloughed, the unemployment website was constantly crashing and people were experiencing 8 hour wait times just to talk to a representative. That was a hot fucking mess. I can't wait for the same thing to happen during our next crisis.",
">\n\nPeople (voters, taxpayers) refuse to pay government workers market rates for wages. I work in state government and we've had positions open for literally years because they are 50% below market rate, so we end up having to hire contractors at 3x the wage instead.",
">\n\nWas this always the case to pay considerably below market rate? Or is it more recent decades? I feel like so much of our government relies on civil sacrifice and people who feel a sense of duty. It's just that we have gone from the WW2 generation who believed in the United States, to Baby Boomers who think the biggest problem with the United States is government and have all but destroyed local and federal government agencies.",
">\n\nIt has been getting worse for about 20 years in my state.\nWe used to have a defined pension plan and guaranteed retirement benefits helped retain people who could have moved to the private sector for more money today. We then moved to a 401(b) which is basically a normal retirement account like private companies have.\nSo now, we make less money than private industry but have the same retirement as private industry.\nSkilled workers - people with professional designations - are in more demand than ever. When we interview actuaries they are also interviewing with companies and governments around the world, especially now that work-from-home is much more accepted.\nIn demand workers are choosing between a stable and low paying government job or a very high paying job they can do from anywhere in the world.",
">\n\nGot ya, that's unfortunate. It seems like everything is slowly getting worse over the past few decades. \nI know in my field working for the government only pays about 60% of a starting salary for non government jobs in the same field. The government jobs also had much higher requirements than the private practice jobs, despite offering way less money, benefits, and time off.",
">\n\nI did this job for 17 years, absolutely true. In order to deny someone you had to cite 3 jobs the person would still be capable of doing, and the jobs were from 70s, infuriating.",
">\n\nTypewriter Repair Technician\nLaserdisc Sales Representative\nCassette Rewinder\nFlip Phone Flipper",
">\n\nExcept for the first one, those would be too recent.\nTry 8track tape seller. Mail order film developer of photos. Single landline seller to replace party lines.\nMy grandmother had a landline that never got disconnected from a party line in the 1980s, so this is not a far fetched scenario.",
">\n\nTwo Strokes and they denied me Social Security is a joke",
">\n\nThis country is a joke too.",
">\n\nRight they say it’s supposed to be the greatest country in the world I don’t see it I see the country that wants fuck over everybody that they can",
">\n\nYour honor, this man could still be a garden hermit according to this list of occupations from 1858.",
">\n\nThe 60 minutes episode almost 10 years ago was brutal. There still is a shortage of ALJ, staff and medical experts. They basically decide at 1st hearing level if it’s cost effective to approve now or wait until you quit process. \nIt’s a broken system: process and personnel starved.",
">\n\nHonestly, I don't think it's as insidious as that. The real problem is there is NO uniform criteria across the ALJs.\nIt's known in my city what your odds are based upon which judge is assigned to the case. One has a crazy high approval rate and the other crazy low. Only MDs should be making these calls, not judges.",
">\n\nThe first two steps in the SSI/DIB process are primarily driven by DO/MD and PhD/PsyD evaluations of the applicants medical record. (Step 1 is in initial review, at which point the claim can be approved or denied. Step 2 is reconsideration of a denial by different evaluators.)\nThe ALJ hearing and decision happen only after those two steps. At that point, the claimant basically has to prove that those medical experts were wrong. Then there’s an appeal to the Appeals Council. And finally appeals up the federal courts chain (trial court, court of appeals, Supreme Court).\nOnce you get to federal court, the standard of review is tough. You effectively have to prove that no evidence supported the ALJ’s (or Appeals Council’s) decision.",
">\n\nLiterally had a judge say they believed I was disabled, then they had a job specialist state in court that there were no jobs they thought I would be able to handle. Months later I got a letter stating they found a job that would suit me... I could make corks in a cork factory. Literally just making up jobs. Now it's been so long I've worked now I have to get a job to qualify to reapply... And that folks is how they make sure people don't get it.",
">\n\nI thought that back in the 1980s when I worked around people who could/should be applying for Social Security Disability that the question was whether their were jobs they could perform within some reasonable distance. If the only jobs sorting nuts were many states away and you were kind of too old to relocate, the existence of nut sorting jobs wasn't held against you. Does anyone know about this?",
">\n\nThey have to exist in the local economy in theory.\nIf you're over 50 they have to have \"little vocational adjustment\" and if over 60 they don't do a job search",
">\n\nIsn't this age discrimination?",
">\n\nThe concept with the \"little vocational adjustment\" was a reasonable cost/benefit of the time and cost invested in the adjustment compared to the remaining years of work.",
">\n\nI was told during my first and second court date for SSDI by a vocational expert that I could be a hotel cleaner. I broke down crying the first time, as with my autism and bipolar 2 its very hard to argue...anything without breaking down completely. The second time I had a lawyer, who argued my points for me to the vocational expert, and by the end of the session the vocational expert agreed that somebody with the set of challenges I face would not be able to work. Its clear in the recording that they said and agreed with this.\nThe judge, in his decision, said that I didn't face those challenges, so I wasn't the kind of person my lawyer was talking about. Through some twisted logic I was denied because the judge argued my lawyer wasn't talking about me when explaining my disabilities.\nHope I explained that correctly. My appeal is likely going to be 6-9 months from now and if denied, which is likely as nobody gets approved their \"first\" time, I'll have to start over. Been going through this process for a year and a half now. Running out of money.",
">\n\nThis is why I didn't bother with appeals when I was denied for severe sciatica. I haven't been able to work in almost four years, but there's no way the social security administration is going to grant me disability for a little ole thing like constant, excruciating, debilitating pain.",
">\n\nThey will in 99% of the cases deny the first appeal. But you need lots of documentation of your condition to get approved - it doesn't all have to all be medical documentation. You can keep a symptom diary (preferably hand written) and letters from employers and others stating what they have observed about your disabilities and your absences. Also documentation from any low income services you've turned to for help. \nEven then it takes a long time. Some people finally get approved, then die just a short time later.",
">\n\nSo much for the myth that it’s very easy to rely on welfare money as a substitute for working.",
">\n\nEvery time someone talks about how lazy people just live on state aid I ask them “do you have ANY idea how fucking difficult it is to get approved for ANY state funded aid?”\nEBT is kinda sorta easy but the rest is next to impossible with all the hoops and waiting you have to deal with.",
">\n\nYep, the same people who talk about “government making it so easy not to work” usually have never been in a situation where they needed the safety net.",
">\n\nBingo.",
">\n\nHalf a century. Half a fucking century.",
">\n\nThey don’t want to give us the money we’ve paid into the program.",
">\n\nSeems like every goverment form... Are you a disabled rail road worker.... Why do they only care if you worked on a railroad ?",
">\n\nWe will be fixing this shit before I need Social Security benefits. Let’s do this, Gen X!",
">\n\nDoes it matter which state you live in when apply for disability?",
">\n\nYes. Approval rates vary by state. You can see this on the government website."
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The sheriff said McKay had been convicted of a “third strike" offense last year that should have put him in state prison for 25 years to life but a San Bernardino County judge lowered his bail, allowing his release, and later released him following an arrest for failing to appear at his sentencing.
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Isn’t that the same guy stabbed K9 last year? How the fuck he got away from that? Lawlessness in this country never cease the amaze me.
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Yeah, wild west in La La Land.
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"The sheriff said McKay had been convicted of a “third strike\" offense last year that should have put him in state prison for 25 years to life but a San Bernardino County judge lowered his bail, allowing his release, and later released him following an arrest for failing to appear at his sentencing.",
">\n\nIsn’t that the same guy stabbed K9 last year? How the fuck he got away from that? Lawlessness in this country never cease the amaze me."
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san bernadino isnt in la la land
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"The sheriff said McKay had been convicted of a “third strike\" offense last year that should have put him in state prison for 25 years to life but a San Bernardino County judge lowered his bail, allowing his release, and later released him following an arrest for failing to appear at his sentencing.",
">\n\nIsn’t that the same guy stabbed K9 last year? How the fuck he got away from that? Lawlessness in this country never cease the amaze me.",
">\n\nYeah, wild west in La La Land."
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If you kill a cop chances are you won't make it to trial.
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"The sheriff said McKay had been convicted of a “third strike\" offense last year that should have put him in state prison for 25 years to life but a San Bernardino County judge lowered his bail, allowing his release, and later released him following an arrest for failing to appear at his sentencing.",
">\n\nIsn’t that the same guy stabbed K9 last year? How the fuck he got away from that? Lawlessness in this country never cease the amaze me.",
">\n\nYeah, wild west in La La Land.",
">\n\nsan bernadino isnt in la la land"
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Appears he was a complete waste of space.
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"The sheriff said McKay had been convicted of a “third strike\" offense last year that should have put him in state prison for 25 years to life but a San Bernardino County judge lowered his bail, allowing his release, and later released him following an arrest for failing to appear at his sentencing.",
">\n\nIsn’t that the same guy stabbed K9 last year? How the fuck he got away from that? Lawlessness in this country never cease the amaze me.",
">\n\nYeah, wild west in La La Land.",
">\n\nsan bernadino isnt in la la land",
">\n\nIf you kill a cop chances are you won't make it to trial."
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My condolences to the family and department. Third time looser out on bail prior to sentencing. Judge in this case should share the blame.
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"The sheriff said McKay had been convicted of a “third strike\" offense last year that should have put him in state prison for 25 years to life but a San Bernardino County judge lowered his bail, allowing his release, and later released him following an arrest for failing to appear at his sentencing.",
">\n\nIsn’t that the same guy stabbed K9 last year? How the fuck he got away from that? Lawlessness in this country never cease the amaze me.",
">\n\nYeah, wild west in La La Land.",
">\n\nsan bernadino isnt in la la land",
">\n\nIf you kill a cop chances are you won't make it to trial.",
">\n\nAppears he was a complete waste of space."
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Jails are overcrowded in both Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Unless it’s a violent crime you will get bailed out. I remember a guy out on bail for car theft, arrested again for car theft( passed out in stolen car with coke and a weapon in his lap. Let out on remand the next day
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"The sheriff said McKay had been convicted of a “third strike\" offense last year that should have put him in state prison for 25 years to life but a San Bernardino County judge lowered his bail, allowing his release, and later released him following an arrest for failing to appear at his sentencing.",
">\n\nIsn’t that the same guy stabbed K9 last year? How the fuck he got away from that? Lawlessness in this country never cease the amaze me.",
">\n\nYeah, wild west in La La Land.",
">\n\nsan bernadino isnt in la la land",
">\n\nIf you kill a cop chances are you won't make it to trial.",
">\n\nAppears he was a complete waste of space.",
">\n\nMy condolences to the family and department. Third time looser out on bail prior to sentencing. Judge in this case should share the blame."
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"The sheriff said McKay had been convicted of a “third strike\" offense last year that should have put him in state prison for 25 years to life but a San Bernardino County judge lowered his bail, allowing his release, and later released him following an arrest for failing to appear at his sentencing.",
">\n\nIsn’t that the same guy stabbed K9 last year? How the fuck he got away from that? Lawlessness in this country never cease the amaze me.",
">\n\nYeah, wild west in La La Land.",
">\n\nsan bernadino isnt in la la land",
">\n\nIf you kill a cop chances are you won't make it to trial.",
">\n\nAppears he was a complete waste of space.",
">\n\nMy condolences to the family and department. Third time looser out on bail prior to sentencing. Judge in this case should share the blame.",
">\n\nJails are overcrowded in both Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Unless it’s a violent crime you will get bailed out. I remember a guy out on bail for car theft, arrested again for car theft( passed out in stolen car with coke and a weapon in his lap. Let out on remand the next day"
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That's not an unpopular opinion, it's common sense.
The ones that don't heed it will Darwin themselves out of the gene pool.
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Like many common phrases, you aren't supposed to take it super literally.
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I think that it should means you need to leave your anger szdness stress behind, you need to achieve your goals, you need to overcome the fears that will give you regrets later etc. It should be extremely phisolophical and wise.
Ask a girl out, pursue the carreer you want, never give up on it, i dont know stuff like that.
Not jumping in a pool from a roof.
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"That's not an unpopular opinion, it's common sense.\nThe ones that don't heed it will Darwin themselves out of the gene pool.",
">\n\nLike many common phrases, you aren't supposed to take it super literally."
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The Lonely Island - YOLO
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"That's not an unpopular opinion, it's common sense.\nThe ones that don't heed it will Darwin themselves out of the gene pool.",
">\n\nLike many common phrases, you aren't supposed to take it super literally.",
">\n\nI think that it should means you need to leave your anger szdness stress behind, you need to achieve your goals, you need to overcome the fears that will give you regrets later etc. It should be extremely phisolophical and wise. \nAsk a girl out, pursue the carreer you want, never give up on it, i dont know stuff like that. \nNot jumping in a pool from a roof."
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I feel the same way.
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"That's not an unpopular opinion, it's common sense.\nThe ones that don't heed it will Darwin themselves out of the gene pool.",
">\n\nLike many common phrases, you aren't supposed to take it super literally.",
">\n\nI think that it should means you need to leave your anger szdness stress behind, you need to achieve your goals, you need to overcome the fears that will give you regrets later etc. It should be extremely phisolophical and wise. \nAsk a girl out, pursue the carreer you want, never give up on it, i dont know stuff like that. \nNot jumping in a pool from a roof.",
">\n\nThe Lonely Island - YOLO"
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Buckle up! YOLO!
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"That's not an unpopular opinion, it's common sense.\nThe ones that don't heed it will Darwin themselves out of the gene pool.",
">\n\nLike many common phrases, you aren't supposed to take it super literally.",
">\n\nI think that it should means you need to leave your anger szdness stress behind, you need to achieve your goals, you need to overcome the fears that will give you regrets later etc. It should be extremely phisolophical and wise. \nAsk a girl out, pursue the carreer you want, never give up on it, i dont know stuff like that. \nNot jumping in a pool from a roof.",
">\n\nThe Lonely Island - YOLO",
">\n\nI feel the same way."
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I’ve often wondered why there hasn’t been a religion that grew up around atheism that included trying to live forever.
weekly meetings like church, maybe even on Sunday morning where they discussed diets and workouts and sunscreen.
If we only really only live once (and I think we do) living forever, drinking in moderation, no smoking, a healthier weight and masks are the key to 80 years of fun.
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"That's not an unpopular opinion, it's common sense.\nThe ones that don't heed it will Darwin themselves out of the gene pool.",
">\n\nLike many common phrases, you aren't supposed to take it super literally.",
">\n\nI think that it should means you need to leave your anger szdness stress behind, you need to achieve your goals, you need to overcome the fears that will give you regrets later etc. It should be extremely phisolophical and wise. \nAsk a girl out, pursue the carreer you want, never give up on it, i dont know stuff like that. \nNot jumping in a pool from a roof.",
">\n\nThe Lonely Island - YOLO",
">\n\nI feel the same way.",
">\n\nBuckle up! YOLO!"
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"That's not an unpopular opinion, it's common sense.\nThe ones that don't heed it will Darwin themselves out of the gene pool.",
">\n\nLike many common phrases, you aren't supposed to take it super literally.",
">\n\nI think that it should means you need to leave your anger szdness stress behind, you need to achieve your goals, you need to overcome the fears that will give you regrets later etc. It should be extremely phisolophical and wise. \nAsk a girl out, pursue the carreer you want, never give up on it, i dont know stuff like that. \nNot jumping in a pool from a roof.",
">\n\nThe Lonely Island - YOLO",
">\n\nI feel the same way.",
">\n\nBuckle up! YOLO!",
">\n\nI’ve often wondered why there hasn’t been a religion that grew up around atheism that included trying to live forever.\nweekly meetings like church, maybe even on Sunday morning where they discussed diets and workouts and sunscreen.\nIf we only really only live once (and I think we do) living forever, drinking in moderation, no smoking, a healthier weight and masks are the key to 80 years of fun."
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Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.
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Unfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful."
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I admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists."
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Can you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent."
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Work smart not hard. Do the bare minimum required or whatever you want to do beyond it willingly . Don't let others work you more than you care for. Removing stressors from your job/life basically. Working "hard" usually does not reward you back unless you are working for yourself.
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.",
">\n\nCan you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest"
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So many people think to themselves, “I’ve been working hard my whole life. Why am I not where I want to be?” The reason being, working smart is better than working hard. At least, that’s what my dad always told me.
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.",
">\n\nCan you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest",
">\n\nWork smart not hard. Do the bare minimum required or whatever you want to do beyond it willingly . Don't let others work you more than you care for. Removing stressors from your job/life basically. Working \"hard\" usually does not reward you back unless you are working for yourself."
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What about slave owners?
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.",
">\n\nCan you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest",
">\n\nWork smart not hard. Do the bare minimum required or whatever you want to do beyond it willingly . Don't let others work you more than you care for. Removing stressors from your job/life basically. Working \"hard\" usually does not reward you back unless you are working for yourself.",
">\n\nSo many people think to themselves, “I’ve been working hard my whole life. Why am I not where I want to be?” The reason being, working smart is better than working hard. At least, that’s what my dad always told me."
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No, I would not admire them. That’s not when I mean when I say “asshole or mean.” I’m talking about people that are rude or think they’re better than everyone. I would hate them for that but still admire their intelligence and hard work. But things such as slavery, murder, theft — nope.
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.",
">\n\nCan you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest",
">\n\nWork smart not hard. Do the bare minimum required or whatever you want to do beyond it willingly . Don't let others work you more than you care for. Removing stressors from your job/life basically. Working \"hard\" usually does not reward you back unless you are working for yourself.",
">\n\nSo many people think to themselves, “I’ve been working hard my whole life. Why am I not where I want to be?” The reason being, working smart is better than working hard. At least, that’s what my dad always told me.",
">\n\nWhat about slave owners?"
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You have to want to work non stop to be really successful. Some will have a good idea that hits it rich but the crazy rich are all workaholics.
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.",
">\n\nCan you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest",
">\n\nWork smart not hard. Do the bare minimum required or whatever you want to do beyond it willingly . Don't let others work you more than you care for. Removing stressors from your job/life basically. Working \"hard\" usually does not reward you back unless you are working for yourself.",
">\n\nSo many people think to themselves, “I’ve been working hard my whole life. Why am I not where I want to be?” The reason being, working smart is better than working hard. At least, that’s what my dad always told me.",
">\n\nWhat about slave owners?",
">\n\nNo, I would not admire them. That’s not when I mean when I say “asshole or mean.” I’m talking about people that are rude or think they’re better than everyone. I would hate them for that but still admire their intelligence and hard work. But things such as slavery, murder, theft — nope."
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The problem being they tend to make money by being assholes
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.",
">\n\nCan you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest",
">\n\nWork smart not hard. Do the bare minimum required or whatever you want to do beyond it willingly . Don't let others work you more than you care for. Removing stressors from your job/life basically. Working \"hard\" usually does not reward you back unless you are working for yourself.",
">\n\nSo many people think to themselves, “I’ve been working hard my whole life. Why am I not where I want to be?” The reason being, working smart is better than working hard. At least, that’s what my dad always told me.",
">\n\nWhat about slave owners?",
">\n\nNo, I would not admire them. That’s not when I mean when I say “asshole or mean.” I’m talking about people that are rude or think they’re better than everyone. I would hate them for that but still admire their intelligence and hard work. But things such as slavery, murder, theft — nope.",
">\n\nYou have to want to work non stop to be really successful. Some will have a good idea that hits it rich but the crazy rich are all workaholics."
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You can admire traits of a person without admiring/liking them as a whole. Hitler is a better artist than I am and paints well, but it doesn’t mean I agree with his actions or personality traits.
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"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.",
">\n\nCan you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest",
">\n\nWork smart not hard. Do the bare minimum required or whatever you want to do beyond it willingly . Don't let others work you more than you care for. Removing stressors from your job/life basically. Working \"hard\" usually does not reward you back unless you are working for yourself.",
">\n\nSo many people think to themselves, “I’ve been working hard my whole life. Why am I not where I want to be?” The reason being, working smart is better than working hard. At least, that’s what my dad always told me.",
">\n\nWhat about slave owners?",
">\n\nNo, I would not admire them. That’s not when I mean when I say “asshole or mean.” I’m talking about people that are rude or think they’re better than everyone. I would hate them for that but still admire their intelligence and hard work. But things such as slavery, murder, theft — nope.",
">\n\nYou have to want to work non stop to be really successful. Some will have a good idea that hits it rich but the crazy rich are all workaholics.",
">\n\nThe problem being they tend to make money by being assholes"
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Absolutely, that’s my point.
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[
"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.",
">\n\nCan you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest",
">\n\nWork smart not hard. Do the bare minimum required or whatever you want to do beyond it willingly . Don't let others work you more than you care for. Removing stressors from your job/life basically. Working \"hard\" usually does not reward you back unless you are working for yourself.",
">\n\nSo many people think to themselves, “I’ve been working hard my whole life. Why am I not where I want to be?” The reason being, working smart is better than working hard. At least, that’s what my dad always told me.",
">\n\nWhat about slave owners?",
">\n\nNo, I would not admire them. That’s not when I mean when I say “asshole or mean.” I’m talking about people that are rude or think they’re better than everyone. I would hate them for that but still admire their intelligence and hard work. But things such as slavery, murder, theft — nope.",
">\n\nYou have to want to work non stop to be really successful. Some will have a good idea that hits it rich but the crazy rich are all workaholics.",
">\n\nThe problem being they tend to make money by being assholes",
">\n\nYou can admire traits of a person without admiring/liking them as a whole. Hitler is a better artist than I am and paints well, but it doesn’t mean I agree with his actions or personality traits."
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[
"Often what you lean about successful assholes is that they cheated. be careful.",
">\n\nUnfortunately most of those types of people have no qualms in harming other people or are just really good bullshit artists.",
">\n\nI admire intelligence but not hard work. Working hard is not intelligent.",
">\n\nCan you elaborate? A lot of the most hard working people I know are definitely the smartest",
">\n\nWork smart not hard. Do the bare minimum required or whatever you want to do beyond it willingly . Don't let others work you more than you care for. Removing stressors from your job/life basically. Working \"hard\" usually does not reward you back unless you are working for yourself.",
">\n\nSo many people think to themselves, “I’ve been working hard my whole life. Why am I not where I want to be?” The reason being, working smart is better than working hard. At least, that’s what my dad always told me.",
">\n\nWhat about slave owners?",
">\n\nNo, I would not admire them. That’s not when I mean when I say “asshole or mean.” I’m talking about people that are rude or think they’re better than everyone. I would hate them for that but still admire their intelligence and hard work. But things such as slavery, murder, theft — nope.",
">\n\nYou have to want to work non stop to be really successful. Some will have a good idea that hits it rich but the crazy rich are all workaholics.",
">\n\nThe problem being they tend to make money by being assholes",
">\n\nYou can admire traits of a person without admiring/liking them as a whole. Hitler is a better artist than I am and paints well, but it doesn’t mean I agree with his actions or personality traits.",
">\n\nAbsolutely, that’s my point."
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Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.
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Mr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,
"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”
This will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works."
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Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.
More like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.
I wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged."
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If only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for."
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I thought "ha, must be a democrat." Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example."
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Ayup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing."
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A lot of respect for their display of wisdom.
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft"
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Props to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom."
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Life hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something"
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That's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!"
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Good on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest.
Sad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age."
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I've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?"
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You seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one.
"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills..."
IS straight up complaining that they do not.
Please drive through.
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL"
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It is never too late to pursue betterment of self.
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through."
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*degree in computer science (he’s doing a focus in AI but it’s a Master of Science in Computer Science degree not Master of Science in AI which doesn’t exist)
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through.",
">\n\nIt is never too late to pursue betterment of self."
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That's kinda my dream - retire at 67, go back to school and get my master's in Computer Science. I really love what I do.
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through.",
">\n\nIt is never too late to pursue betterment of self.",
">\n\n*degree in computer science (he’s doing a focus in AI but it’s a Master of Science in Computer Science degree not Master of Science in AI which doesn’t exist)"
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Excellent example of the pursuit of greatness and self achievement
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through.",
">\n\nIt is never too late to pursue betterment of self.",
">\n\n*degree in computer science (he’s doing a focus in AI but it’s a Master of Science in Computer Science degree not Master of Science in AI which doesn’t exist)",
">\n\nThat's kinda my dream - retire at 67, go back to school and get my master's in Computer Science. I really love what I do."
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Is he going into software development or livestock breeding?
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through.",
">\n\nIt is never too late to pursue betterment of self.",
">\n\n*degree in computer science (he’s doing a focus in AI but it’s a Master of Science in Computer Science degree not Master of Science in AI which doesn’t exist)",
">\n\nThat's kinda my dream - retire at 67, go back to school and get my master's in Computer Science. I really love what I do.",
">\n\nExcellent example of the pursuit of greatness and self achievement"
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So, not sure how it is in the states, but in Canada 65+ citizens get free college education. It's not like the people that can actually still contribute to society should get that instead.
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"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through.",
">\n\nIt is never too late to pursue betterment of self.",
">\n\n*degree in computer science (he’s doing a focus in AI but it’s a Master of Science in Computer Science degree not Master of Science in AI which doesn’t exist)",
">\n\nThat's kinda my dream - retire at 67, go back to school and get my master's in Computer Science. I really love what I do.",
">\n\nExcellent example of the pursuit of greatness and self achievement",
">\n\nIs he going into software development or livestock breeding?"
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It's similar depending on whatever state you are in.
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through.",
">\n\nIt is never too late to pursue betterment of self.",
">\n\n*degree in computer science (he’s doing a focus in AI but it’s a Master of Science in Computer Science degree not Master of Science in AI which doesn’t exist)",
">\n\nThat's kinda my dream - retire at 67, go back to school and get my master's in Computer Science. I really love what I do.",
">\n\nExcellent example of the pursuit of greatness and self achievement",
">\n\nIs he going into software development or livestock breeding?",
">\n\nSo, not sure how it is in the states, but in Canada 65+ citizens get free college education. It's not like the people that can actually still contribute to society should get that instead."
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He's just doing this so that he won't get slaughtered when the Singularity hits
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through.",
">\n\nIt is never too late to pursue betterment of self.",
">\n\n*degree in computer science (he’s doing a focus in AI but it’s a Master of Science in Computer Science degree not Master of Science in AI which doesn’t exist)",
">\n\nThat's kinda my dream - retire at 67, go back to school and get my master's in Computer Science. I really love what I do.",
">\n\nExcellent example of the pursuit of greatness and self achievement",
">\n\nIs he going into software development or livestock breeding?",
">\n\nSo, not sure how it is in the states, but in Canada 65+ citizens get free college education. It's not like the people that can actually still contribute to society should get that instead.",
">\n\nIt's similar depending on whatever state you are in."
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When I have my congressional poster boards and charts while debating at podium. I will use AI art.
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through.",
">\n\nIt is never too late to pursue betterment of self.",
">\n\n*degree in computer science (he’s doing a focus in AI but it’s a Master of Science in Computer Science degree not Master of Science in AI which doesn’t exist)",
">\n\nThat's kinda my dream - retire at 67, go back to school and get my master's in Computer Science. I really love what I do.",
">\n\nExcellent example of the pursuit of greatness and self achievement",
">\n\nIs he going into software development or livestock breeding?",
">\n\nSo, not sure how it is in the states, but in Canada 65+ citizens get free college education. It's not like the people that can actually still contribute to society should get that instead.",
">\n\nIt's similar depending on whatever state you are in.",
">\n\nHe's just doing this so that he won't get slaughtered when the Singularity hits"
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[
"Never too old to go back to school. Good for Congressman Don Beyer on learning about cutting-edge tech. Maybe he can explain to the other septuagenarians in Congress how Facebook works.",
">\n\nMr. Beyer sees what's coming. AI will revolutionize every industry and nearly every facet of our lives in the coming years. Every member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy. As Mr. Beyer put it,\n\n\"So we want to make sure that we approach the regulation of AI in a way that’s thoughtful, that does the protection of consumers and privacy that needs to be done, but also doesn’t stifle the innovation and entrepreneurialism that has characterized the last 50 years of the technology industry in America.”\n\nThis will be one of the most important and tricky issues Congress has ever faced, and the capitalist machine will try to stop any potential regulation. Hopefully people like Beyer can guide our lawmakers through it, because as you said, most of them seem technologically challenged.",
">\n\n\nEvery member of Congress should be educating themselves to better understand the ramifications on ethics and privacy.\n\nMore like should be required to educate themselves about those things as well as modern technologies.\nI wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with the old fuckers being in charge if they at least understood the technologies and the ramifications of such that they're making the rules for.",
">\n\nIf only all congressional representatives were this willing to learn new ideas and information. I wish this was common enough not to be newsworthy. Maybe he can set an example.",
">\n\nI thought \"ha, must be a democrat.\" Quick google search and yes he is. Funny how you can know what party someone is by what they’re doing.",
">\n\nAyup … have to wonder which party it’d be if he was forcing a rape victim to give birth, 9 months later … or encouraging strip mining and fracking in someone else’s state. pfft",
">\n\nA lot of respect for their display of wisdom.",
">\n\nProps to him for actually trying to learn something instead of pretending he knows something",
">\n\nLife hack… if you’re in school at least part time, prior student loans are deferred. Stay in school!",
">\n\nThat's awesome! Make most out of your life regardless of your age.",
">\n\nGood on him. I ran a small group that tried to educate local law enforcement, city and state representatives, and local media on tech way back when and we had to hang it up for sheer lack of interest. \nSad that it's 2023 and most of congress would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills rather than educate themselves. I celebrate the one, but damn it, why aren't our national representatives required to know basic elements of business and industry so they can, oh, I dunno, represent us?",
">\n\nI've got some bad news for you if you think politicians write their own bills normally. LoL",
">\n\nYou seem to have played leapfrog with your own understanding on this one. \n\"...would prefer to let conflicting interests WRITE their bills...\"\nIS straight up complaining that they do not.\nPlease drive through.",
">\n\nIt is never too late to pursue betterment of self.",
">\n\n*degree in computer science (he’s doing a focus in AI but it’s a Master of Science in Computer Science degree not Master of Science in AI which doesn’t exist)",
">\n\nThat's kinda my dream - retire at 67, go back to school and get my master's in Computer Science. I really love what I do.",
">\n\nExcellent example of the pursuit of greatness and self achievement",
">\n\nIs he going into software development or livestock breeding?",
">\n\nSo, not sure how it is in the states, but in Canada 65+ citizens get free college education. It's not like the people that can actually still contribute to society should get that instead.",
">\n\nIt's similar depending on whatever state you are in.",
">\n\nHe's just doing this so that he won't get slaughtered when the Singularity hits",
">\n\nWhen I have my congressional poster boards and charts while debating at podium. I will use AI art."
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What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences
Lie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass
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Trump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.
Rules for the rich and connected are just different.
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"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass"
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Rules for thee and not for me
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"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different."
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We're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.
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"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me"
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Saw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram."
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People running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?"
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Someone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work."
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I'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances."
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Oh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral.
Used to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam."
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She looks like she ate part of the towers!
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"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol."
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He’s going to bolt to Russia soon
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!"
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We have plenty of windows here
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon"
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I'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here"
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"No no, I said I payed "My Taxes." that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish."
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My question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.
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"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky."
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Feels very Anna Sorokin-esque.
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner."
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MFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque."
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Who would lie about such a thing on their resume?
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[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!"
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Why do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?"
] |
>
There are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?"
] |
>
This is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients.
He’s most likely a little Russian satellite.
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses."
] |
>
That's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one.
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite."
] |
>
Now do Justice Kavanaugh...
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite.",
">\n\nThat's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one."
] |
>
Russian asset says what?
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite.",
">\n\nThat's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one.",
">\n\nNow do Justice Kavanaugh..."
] |
>
I'm starting to think not everything this guy says and does is on the up and up!
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite.",
">\n\nThat's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one.",
">\n\nNow do Justice Kavanaugh...",
">\n\nRussian asset says what?"
] |
>
This is the real lead, everything else amounts to the lies he was paid to tell.
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite.",
">\n\nThat's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one.",
">\n\nNow do Justice Kavanaugh...",
">\n\nRussian asset says what?",
">\n\nI'm starting to think not everything this guy says and does is on the up and up!"
] |
>
I wonder how long this investigation will take.
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite.",
">\n\nThat's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one.",
">\n\nNow do Justice Kavanaugh...",
">\n\nRussian asset says what?",
">\n\nI'm starting to think not everything this guy says and does is on the up and up!",
">\n\nThis is the real lead, everything else amounts to the lies he was paid to tell."
] |
>
There's no way his books are clean.
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite.",
">\n\nThat's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one.",
">\n\nNow do Justice Kavanaugh...",
">\n\nRussian asset says what?",
">\n\nI'm starting to think not everything this guy says and does is on the up and up!",
">\n\nThis is the real lead, everything else amounts to the lies he was paid to tell.",
">\n\nI wonder how long this investigation will take."
] |
>
Don’t brag on national media outlets that you went from homeless to millions in the bank literally overnight.
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite.",
">\n\nThat's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one.",
">\n\nNow do Justice Kavanaugh...",
">\n\nRussian asset says what?",
">\n\nI'm starting to think not everything this guy says and does is on the up and up!",
">\n\nThis is the real lead, everything else amounts to the lies he was paid to tell.",
">\n\nI wonder how long this investigation will take.",
">\n\nThere's no way his books are clean."
] |
>
He has very small teeth and I’m surprised he didn’t claim that as a disability.
“My small teeth create a dis-ability for others to exploit”
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite.",
">\n\nThat's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one.",
">\n\nNow do Justice Kavanaugh...",
">\n\nRussian asset says what?",
">\n\nI'm starting to think not everything this guy says and does is on the up and up!",
">\n\nThis is the real lead, everything else amounts to the lies he was paid to tell.",
">\n\nI wonder how long this investigation will take.",
">\n\nThere's no way his books are clean.",
">\n\nDon’t brag on national media outlets that you went from homeless to millions in the bank literally overnight."
] |
>
Roh roh!!
|
[
"What a ridiculous system that this is the only way he’ll face consequences \nLie to your constituents, nothing we can do; put the wrong number on a form, your ass is grass",
">\n\nTrump put lots of wrong numbers on lots of forms, and he hasn't been charged. Yet.\nRules for the rich and connected are just different.",
">\n\nRules for thee and not for me",
">\n\nWe're going to find out soon that he's actually just a hologram.",
">\n\nSaw this elsewhere: someone else named George Santos should show up at the swearing-in ceremony and insist he's the real George Santos and simply claim the seat. Who knows which George Santos the district actually elected?",
">\n\nPeople running for office file a signed form announcing their candidacy, file petitions, etc. This idea wouldn't work.",
">\n\nSomeone willing to lie about everything in their work history and lied about their own mother's death is certainly the kind of person who would lie with regard to finances.",
">\n\nI'd missed the news about his mother, that's even crappier than his fake dog rescue charity scam.",
">\n\nOh it's better, he lied that she died in 9/11, then that she was there but survived and he implied she died of a related cancer, but it was 15 years later, and then he grifted a Catholic Church into paying for the funeral. \nUsed to be you lied about - personal connection to 9/11 and the common folk of Nassau county and Queens, many of who actually knew and loved people who died there, would wipe that smirk right of your face. Seems a bunch of those folks, many of whom were republicans then as well as now, are now willing to look past the insult to their lost loved ones as long as they can own the libs. Never forget, lol.",
">\n\nShe looks like she ate part of the towers!",
">\n\nHe’s going to bolt to Russia soon",
">\n\nWe have plenty of windows here",
">\n\nI'm thinking the Feds will find his finances criminal...ish.",
">\n\n\"No no, I said I payed \"My Taxes.\" that's the name of my yacht. Deck was leaky.",
">\n\nMy question is, if he misrepresented his biography, credentials, and professional standing to obtain funding, can’t he be charged with fraud? Anyone else misrepresenting themselves (e.g. impersonation) would immediately be charged if they obtained funding in this manner.",
">\n\nFeels very Anna Sorokin-esque.",
">\n\nMFer claimed he knew how to do formulas in Excel. Liar!",
">\n\nWho would lie about such a thing on their resume?",
">\n\nWhy do his glasses suddenly look like they aren’t prescription?",
">\n\nThere are younger pictures of him on the internet without glasses.",
">\n\nThis is the number one question the press needs to be hounding. Santos went from a net worth of barely $70k to over $1.7 MILLION in one year. He then self donated from his own dark money fund to his campaign. All from a fake consulting company that has yet to report any clients. \nHe’s most likely a little Russian satellite.",
">\n\nThat's my guess as well. In fact I'd wager he is far from the only one.",
">\n\nNow do Justice Kavanaugh...",
">\n\nRussian asset says what?",
">\n\nI'm starting to think not everything this guy says and does is on the up and up!",
">\n\nThis is the real lead, everything else amounts to the lies he was paid to tell.",
">\n\nI wonder how long this investigation will take.",
">\n\nThere's no way his books are clean.",
">\n\nDon’t brag on national media outlets that you went from homeless to millions in the bank literally overnight.",
">\n\nHe has very small teeth and I’m surprised he didn’t claim that as a disability. \n“My small teeth create a dis-ability for others to exploit”"
] |
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