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That's right. Yeah. One of the things that we did as we're finishing the movie, you know, we're coming up to the climax of the movie, I said, what we should do at the film as everything that we're criticizing in the beginning, we should use to market our movie at the end. At that way, it becomes very clear to people how it works, and they can understand the process, and people will see the film and know like the tools, the pieces, all the things of the puzzle that kind of got them into the seat to begin with. And I think that, you know, kind of seeing that come full circle, you know, this whole transparency of the process really works.
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that's right yeah one of. the things that we did as we're finishing the movie you know we're coming up to the climax of the movie i said what; we should do at the film as everything; that we're criticizing in the beginning we should use to market our movie at the end at that way it becomes very clear to people how it works and they can understand. the process and people will see the film and know like the tools, the pieces all the things of the, puzzle that kind of got them into the seat to begin, with and i think that you know kind of seeing that come full circle you know this whole transparency of the process. really
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That's right Yeah, One of the. things that, we did as we're finishing the movie you know, we're coming up to the climax, of the movie I said what we should do at the film as, everything, that we're criticizing in the beginning we should use to market our movie at the end At that way it becomes very clear to people how it works and they can understand the process and, people will; see the film and know like the tools the pieces all the things of the puzzle; that kind of got them into; the seat to begin with And I think that you. know kind of seeing that come full circle you know this whole transparency of the process really,
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that's right. yeah. one of the things that we did as we're finishing the movie, you know, we're coming up to the climax of the movie, i said, what we should do at the film as everything that we're criticizing in the beginning, we should use to market our movie at the end. at that way, it becomes very clear to people how it works, and they can understand the process, and people will see the film and know like the tools, the pieces, all the things of the puzzle that kind of got them into the seat to begin with. and i think that, you know, kind of seeing that come full circle, you know, this whole transparency of the process really works.
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And we have to ask a question post by Bob in Reno. We don't have time to get to his phone call, but he argues: The movie, given all the advertisements, should be free to watch.
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and we have. to ask a question post by. bob in reno we don't, have time to get to, his phone call but he argues: the movie given all the advertisements should be free to
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And we have, to ask a question post by Bob in Reno We don't have time to get to his phone call but he. argues: The movie. given all the advertisements should be free, to.
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and we have to ask a question post by bob in reno. we don't have time to get to his phone call, but he argues: the movie, given all the advertisements, should be free to watch.
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That would have been a great idea. I think my distributor, Sony Classics, will probably disagree with that, but that would have been amazing.
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that would have been a great idea i think, my distributor sony classics will probably disagree with; that but that would have been.
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That would have been a great idea I think my distributor Sony Classics. will probably. disagree with that but that would have been
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that would have been a great idea. i think my distributor, sony classics, will probably disagree with that, but that would have been amazing.
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Morgan Spurlock dons a NASCAR-style suit in the movie as he appears on "The Jimmy Kimmel Show" and various other things. Are you walking around in that full-time now?
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morgan spurlock dons a nascar-style suit in the. movie, as he appears on "the jimmy kimmel show" and various other things are you walking around, in that. full-time
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Morgan Spurlock dons a NASCAR-style suit in the movie as. he appears on "The Jimmy Kimmel Show" and various other things Are. you walking around in, that full-time
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morgan spurlock dons a nascar-style suit in the movie as he appears on "the jimmy kimmel show" and various other things. are you walking around in that full-time now?
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No, I was wearing - on the televised appearances, like a lot of the national television like a word on Conan or on Kimmel and on Colbert, you know, it's almost like - just so people can envision it. It's like a two-piece suit, but it's like Jeff Gordon or, you know, Rusty Wallace or anybody - a NASCAR driver - is going to the prom. So it's like a formal kind of suit with all the logos all over it.
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no, i was wearing - on the televised appearances like a lot of the national television like a word on conan or, on kimmel and on colbert you know it's almost. like. - just so. people can envision it it's like a. two-piece suit but it's like jeff gordon or you know rusty wallace or anybody - a nascar driver - is going to the prom so it's like a formal kind of suit with all, the logos all over
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No I was wearing - on the televised appearances like a lot of; the, national television like a word on Conan or on Kimmel and on. Colbert. you know it's almost like - just so people can envision it It's, like a two-piece suit but it's like Jeff Gordon or. you know Rusty Wallace or anybody - a. NASCAR driver - is going to the prom So it's like a formal kind of suit with all the logos all over
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no, i was wearing - on the televised appearances, like a lot of the national television like a word on conan or on kimmel and on colbert, you know, it's almost like - just so people can envision it. it's like a two-piece suit, but it's like jeff gordon or, you know, rusty wallace or anybody - a nascar driver - is going to the prom. so it's like a formal kind of suit with all the logos all over it.
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And I assume this is going to then be, after the marketing of the film is over, be sold on eBay for further profits?
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and i assume this, is going to then be after the marketing of the film is, over be sold on ebay for, further;
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And I assume this is. going to then be after the marketing of the film is over be sold on eBay for. further
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and i assume this is going to then be, after the marketing of the film is over, be sold on ebay for further profits?
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Well, we're going to auction it all for charity. That was an idea that someone came up with. You know, right now at ArcLight in Los Angeles, one is on display. There's been four different versions of the suit. You know, this one - because we were adding sponsors the whole time. We kept, you know, getting new sponsors sign on the movie. So we're at version 4.0 of the suit. And I think we'll probably stop there. And, you know, when we're all done, we'll sell them for charity.
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well we're going to auction it all for charity that was an idea that someone came up with you know right now at arclight in los angeles one is on display there's, been four different versions of the suit you know this one - because we were adding sponsors the whole time we kept you know getting new sponsors. sign on the movie so we're at version 4.0 of the suit and i think we'll, probably stop there and you know when we're all. done we'll sell them for
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Well we're. going to auction it all for charity That was an idea that someone came up with You know right now at ArcLight in Los Angeles. one is on display There's been. four different, versions of the suit You know this one - because we. were adding sponsors the whole time We kept you know getting new; sponsors sign on the movie So we're at version 4.0 of the suit And I think we'll probably stop there And you know when we're all done, we'll sell them for
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well, we're going to auction it all for charity. that was an idea that someone came up with. you know, right now at arclight in los angeles, one is on display. there's been four different versions of the suit. you know, this one - because we were adding sponsors the whole time. we kept, you know, getting new sponsors sign on the movie. so we're at version 4.0 of the suit. and i think we'll probably stop there. and, you know, when we're all done, we'll sell them for charity.
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Well, Morgan Spurlock, thanks very much for your time today. Good luck with the movie.
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well morgan spurlock thanks very much, for your time today, good luck with, the
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Well Morgan, Spurlock thanks very much for your time today Good luck with the
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well, morgan spurlock, thanks very much for your time today. good luck with the movie.
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Morgan Spurlock's new documentary, "The Greatest Movie Ever Sold," is now out in theaters nationwide - excuse me - "POM Wonderful Presents: The Greatest Movie Ever Sold." He joined us from our bureau in New York. You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News.
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morgan spurlock's new documentary "the. greatest movie ever sold" is, now out in theaters nationwide - excuse. me - "pom wonderful presents: the, greatest movie ever sold" he joined us from our bureau in new york you're listening to talk of the nation from npr
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Morgan Spurlock's new, documentary "The Greatest, Movie Ever Sold" is now out in theaters nationwide - excuse me - "POM. Wonderful, Presents: The Greatest Movie Ever Sold" He joined us from our bureau in New York You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR
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morgan spurlock's new documentary, "the greatest movie ever sold," is now out in theaters nationwide - excuse me - "pom wonderful presents: the greatest movie ever sold." he joined us from our bureau in new york. you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news.
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This week's midterm elections are going to be reshaping the policy landscape here in Washington. After two years in which Republicans controlled every lever of power, Democrats will soon have a seat at the table. President Trump insists he's not worried by that. Despite the rancor of the midterm elections, he sees opportunities for legislative dealmaking.
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this week's, midterm elections are going to be reshaping the policy landscape here in washington after, two years in which republicans. controlled. every lever of power democrats will soon. have a seat, at the table. president trump insists he's not worried by that despite the rancor of. the midterm elections he sees opportunities for legislative
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This week's midterm elections are going to be reshaping the policy landscape here in Washington After two years in which Republicans controlled every lever of power Democrats will, soon have a seat at the table President, Trump insists, he's not worried by that Despite the rancor of the midterm; elections he sees opportunities for legislative
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this week's midterm elections are going to be reshaping the policy landscape here in washington. after two years in which republicans controlled every lever of power, democrats will soon have a seat at the table. president trump insists he's not worried by that. despite the rancor of the midterm elections, he sees opportunities for legislative dealmaking.
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There are many things we can get along on without a lot of trouble, that we agree very much with them and they agree with us. I would like to see bipartisanship. I'd like to see unity.
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there are many things we can get along on without a lot of trouble; that we agree very much with them and, they agree with us i would like, to see bipartisanship i'd like to see
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There are many things we can get along on without a lot of, trouble that we agree very much with them and they agree with us I would like to see bipartisanship I'd like to. see
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there are many things we can get along on without a lot of trouble, that we agree very much with them and they agree with us. i would like to see bipartisanship. i'd like to see unity.
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But the president also warned that cooperation could quickly evaporate if House Democrats use their new powers to investigate his administration. NPR's Scott Horsley reports.
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but the president also warned that cooperation could quickly evaporate if house democrats, use their new powers to investigate his administration npr's scott horsley
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But the; president. also warned that cooperation could quickly evaporate if House. Democrats use their new powers to investigate his administration NPR's Scott Horsley
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but the president also warned that cooperation could quickly evaporate if house democrats use their new powers to investigate his administration. npr's scott horsley reports.
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House Democrats have been out of power for eight long years. Congresswoman Cheri Bustos of Illinois says they used that time in the political wilderness to draw up a game plan they can put to work in January when they reclaim their House majority.
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house democrats have been. out of power for eight long years. congresswoman; cheri. bustos of illinois says they used that time in the political wilderness to draw up a. game, plan. they can put to work; in january when they reclaim their house
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House Democrats have been out of power for eight long years Congresswoman Cheri Bustos of Illinois says they used that time in the political wilderness to draw up, a game plan they can put; to work in January when they reclaim their House.
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house democrats have been out of power for eight long years. congresswoman cheri bustos of illinois says they used that time in the political wilderness to draw up a game plan they can put to work in january when they reclaim their house majority.
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So yeah, we're ready on day one, and we're ready with an agenda that will work for people in our country.
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so yeah we're ready on day one and we're ready with an agenda that will work for, people in our
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So yeah we're ready on day one and we're ready with an agenda that will work for people in, our
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so yeah, we're ready on day one, and we're ready with an agenda that will work for people in our country.
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Bustos, who co-chairs the Democrats' Policy and Communications Committee, says at the top of that list is a large-scale public works program to rebuild vital infrastructure while putting millions of people to work.
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bustos who co-chairs the democrats' policy, and communications committee says at, the top of, that list is a large-scale public works program. to rebuild vital infrastructure while putting millions of people. to
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Bustos who co-chairs the Democrats' Policy and; Communications. Committee says at, the top of that list is a large-scale public works program to rebuild vital infrastructure while putting millions of people to,
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bustos, who co-chairs the democrats' policy and communications committee, says at the top of that list is a large-scale public works program to rebuild vital infrastructure while putting millions of people to work.
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We know that for every $1 we invest in roads and bridges and high-speed Internet and rail, we get a $2 return on that. So we think we can work together with Republicans across the aisle.
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we, know that for every $1 we. invest, in. roads and bridges and high-speed internet and rail we get a $2 return, on that; so we think we, can work together with republicans across the
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We know that. for every $1 we invest in roads and bridges and high-speed Internet and rail we get a $2 return on that So we think we can work together with Republicans across the
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we know that for every $1 we invest in roads and bridges and high-speed internet and rail, we get a $2 return on that. so we think we can work together with republicans across the aisle.
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President Trump and Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell also pointed to infrastructure as a potential area of cooperation. Trump campaigned on that two years ago, although there are big differences between the parties in how to pay for it. Trump's plan relied on borrowed money and privatization while Democrats would use public dollars raised in part through a slightly higher gasoline tax. Democrats also have a proposal to rein in the high cost of prescription drugs, which McConnell notes is something the president has pushed for as well.
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president trump; and senate republican. leader mitch mcconnell also pointed to infrastructure as. a potential area of cooperation trump campaigned on that two years ago although; there. are big differences between the parties in how to pay for it trump's plan relied on, borrowed money, and privatization while democrats would use public dollars, raised. in part, through a slightly higher gasoline, tax democrats also have a proposal to rein in the high cost of prescription drugs which mcconnell notes is something. the president has pushed for as.
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President Trump and Senate. Republican leader Mitch McConnell also pointed to infrastructure as a potential area of cooperation Trump campaigned on that two years ago although, there, are big differences between the parties in, how to pay. for. it Trump's. plan relied on borrowed money. and privatization while Democrats would use public dollars raised in, part; through a slightly higher gasoline tax. Democrats also have a proposal to rein in the high cost of prescription drugs which McConnell notes is something the president has pushed for as
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president trump and senate republican leader mitch mcconnell also pointed to infrastructure as a potential area of cooperation. trump campaigned on that two years ago, although there are big differences between the parties in how to pay for it. trump's plan relied on borrowed money and privatization while democrats would use public dollars raised in part through a slightly higher gasoline tax. democrats also have a proposal to rein in the high cost of prescription drugs, which mcconnell notes is something the president has pushed for as well.
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Yeah, I can't imagine that that won't be on the agenda.
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yeah, i can't imagine that that won't be on the agenda.
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At the same time, Democratic control of the House will put a roadblock in the path of some potential Republican initiatives. Forget about another attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act. And McConnell says any effort to address the cost of Medicare and Social Security will have to wait.
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at the same time democratic control of the house will put a roadblock in the path of some potential republican initiatives forget about another attempt to, repeal the affordable care act and mcconnell says any effort to address the cost of medicare and social security will have to
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The Democrats have made it perfectly clear they're not interested in dealing with entitlements. And they're in a position to say no, and so I don't think that'll be on the agenda.
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the democrats have made it perfectly clear they're not interested in dealing with entitlements and they're in a position to say no and so i don't think that'll be on the
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The Democrats have made, it perfectly clear they're not interested in dealing with entitlements And they're in a position to say no and so I don't think that'll be on the
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the democrats have made it perfectly clear they're not interested in dealing with entitlements. and they're in a position to say no, and so i don't think that'll be on the agenda.
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Democrats have also promised to use their new House majority to conduct vigorous oversight. Nancy Pelosi, who's confident she'll be the next House speaker, says Democrats will investigate policies like family separation at the border using subpoenas if necessary. At a White House news conference today, Trump warned that could poison any chance of cooperation.
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democrats have also promised, to use. their new, house majority to conduct vigorous oversight nancy pelosi who's confident she'll, be the next house speaker says democrats will investigate policies like family separation at the border using subpoenas if necessary at a white house news conference today trump warned that could poison any chance of,
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Democrats have also promised, to use their new House majority to conduct vigorous oversight, Nancy Pelosi who's, confident she'll be the next House speaker says Democrats will investigate policies like family separation at the border using subpoenas if, necessary At a White House news conference, today. Trump, warned that could poison any chance of
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democrats have also promised to use their new house majority to conduct vigorous oversight. nancy pelosi, who's confident she'll be the next house speaker, says democrats will investigate policies like family separation at the border using subpoenas if necessary. at a white house news conference today, trump warned that could poison any chance of cooperation.
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If that happens, then we're going to do the same thing, and government comes to a halt. And I would blame them.
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if that happens then we're going to do the same thing and government. comes to a halt and i would blame
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If that happens then we're. going to do the same thing, and government comes to. a halt And I would blame.
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if that happens, then we're going to do the same thing, and government comes to a halt. and i would blame them.
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Congresswoman Bustos strongly disputes that idea. She notes oversight of the administration is one of lawmakers' traditional roles.
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congresswoman bustos strongly disputes that; idea. she, notes oversight of the. administration is one of lawmakers' traditional
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Congresswoman Bustos strongly disputes that idea She notes oversight of the administration is one of lawmakers' traditional
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congresswoman bustos strongly disputes that idea. she notes oversight of the administration is one of lawmakers' traditional roles.
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The problem has been with the Republican leadership. They've taken a hands-off approach and turned a blind eye to the corruption that's out there.
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the problem has been with the republican leadership they've. taken a hands-off approach and turned a blind. eye to the corruption that's out
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The problem has been with the Republican leadership They've taken a hands-off approach. and turned a blind eye to the corruption that's out
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the problem has been with the republican leadership. they've taken a hands-off approach and turned a blind eye to the corruption that's out there.
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These men - Brandeis and Warren - were outraged by newspapers printing all sorts of scandalous stories. Here's what they wrote.
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these men - brandeis and warren - were outraged by newspapers printing all sorts of scandalous. stories here's what they,
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These men - Brandeis and Warren - were outraged by newspapers printing all sorts of scandalous stories Here's what they.
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these men - brandeis and warren - were outraged by newspapers printing all sorts of scandalous stories. here's what they wrote.
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it simply (foreign language spoken). So you just, you know, keep the same original name, but simply remove in Iraq and Syria.
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it simply (foreign language spoken). so. you just you, know keep; the same, original name, but simply remove in iraq and
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it simply (foreign language spoken). So you just you know keep; the, same original name but, simply remove in Iraq and
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it simply (foreign language spoken). so you just, you know, keep the same original name, but simply remove in iraq and syria.
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That left news outlets and the government with a choice - stick with the term Americans know or go with the new name. When the president spoke on Wednesday he made it clear that the White House does not respect the groups rebranding.
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that left news outlets and the government; with a choice - stick. with. the term americans know or go with the new name when the president spoke on, wednesday he made it clear that the white house does not respect the groups
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That, left news outlets and the government with a choice. - stick with the term Americans know or go, with, the new name When the president spoke on Wednesday he made it clear that the, White House does not respect the groups
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that left news outlets and the government with a choice - stick with the term americans know or go with the new name. when the president spoke on wednesday he made it clear that the white house does not respect the groups rebranding.
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Now let's make two things clear - ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents and the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim and ISIL is certainly not a state.
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now let's make. two things clear - isil is not islamic no religion condones, the killing of innocents and the vast majority of isil's victims have. been muslim, and isil is certainly not a
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Now let's make two things clear - ISIL is not Islamic No religion condones the killing of innocents and the vast majority of. ISIL's. victims have been, Muslim and ISIL is certainly not a
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now let's make two things clear - isil is not islamic. no religion condones the killing of innocents and the vast majority of isil's victims have been muslim and isil is certainly not a state.
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And for most news outlets, ISIS, which was always more popular, has remained the go-to short hand.
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and for most; news outlets, isis which was always more popular has remained, the go-to short
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And for most news outlets ISIS which, was always more popular has; remained the go-to short
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and for most news outlets, isis, which was always more popular, has remained the go-to short hand.
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To put it bluntly if you do a Google search most people are doing ISIS, so it'd be naive of us to avoid that term entirely.
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to put it bluntly if you do a google search most people are doing isis so. it'd be naive of us to avoid that term
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To put it bluntly if you do a Google search most people are doing ISIS so it'd be, naive of us to avoid that term
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to put it bluntly if you do a google search most people are doing isis, so it'd be naive of us to avoid that term entirely.
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That's Bill Power, he's the co-editor of The Wall Street Journal Stylebook. The Journal uses ISIS in headlines, but otherwise calls it the group by its current name, the Islamic State. On the other hand The New York Times told me it's sticking with ISIS. USA Today generally goes with Islamic State, but uses ISIL in headlines. It may be worth asking just how important these semantic choices are. Here's Bill Power again from the journal.
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that's bill, power he's the, co-editor of the wall street journal stylebook the journal uses isis in headlines but otherwise calls it the group by its current name the islamic state on the other hand the new york times. told me it's sticking with isis usa today. generally, goes with islamic state but uses isil in headlines it may be worth asking just. how important these semantic choices. are here's bill power again from the
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That's Bill Power he's the; co-editor of The Wall Street Journal Stylebook The Journal, uses ISIS in headlines but, otherwise calls it the group by its current name the Islamic State On the other hand The New York Times told me it's sticking with ISIS USA, Today generally goes with Islamic State. but uses ISIL in headlines It may be worth, asking just how; important these semantic choices are. Here's Bill Power again from the
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that's bill power, he's the co-editor of the wall street journal stylebook. the journal uses isis in headlines, but otherwise calls it the group by its current name, the islamic state. on the other hand the new york times told me it's sticking with isis. usa today generally goes with islamic state, but uses isil in headlines. it may be worth asking just how important these semantic choices are. here's bill power again from the journal.
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It's an uncomfortable thing because obviously all that really matters is the terrible things they're doing and what we're going to do about them. So you almost feel weird being hung up on the nerdy aspect of what they're called, but that's what newspapers do.
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it's an uncomfortable thing, because obviously all that really matters is the terrible things they're. doing and what, we're going to do about; them so you, almost, feel weird being hung up on the. nerdy aspect of. what they're called but that's what newspapers
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It's an uncomfortable thing, because. obviously all that really matters is the terrible things they're doing and what we're going to, do. about them So you almost feel weird being hung, up on the. nerdy aspect of what they're called but that's, what newspapers
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it's an uncomfortable thing because obviously all that really matters is the terrible things they're doing and what we're going to do about them. so you almost feel weird being hung up on the nerdy aspect of what they're called, but that's what newspapers do.
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Public radio, too. On NPR we call the group the so-called Islamic State and ISIS on second reference. And Lena Khatib says the names of terrorist groups can tell us something about their methods and their goals. Take for example Al Qaeda. In Arabic that means simply the base.
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public radio too on. npr, we call the group the so-called islamic state and isis on second reference and lena khatib, says the names of terrorist groups can tell us something, about their, methods and their, goals take for example. al qaeda in arabic that means simply the
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Public, radio. too On NPR we. call the group, the so-called Islamic. State and, ISIS, on second reference And Lena Khatib says the names of terrorist groups. can tell us something about their methods and their goals Take for example Al Qaeda In Arabic that means simply the.
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public radio, too. on npr we call the group the so-called islamic state and isis on second reference. and lena khatib says the names of terrorist groups can tell us something about their methods and their goals. take for example al qaeda. in arabic that means simply the base.
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Al Qaeda is a model of loose networks that are connected to a fundamental base, both in terms of leadership as well in terms of ideology. The Islamic State, on the other hand, actually wants to have a physical state that aims to expand its borders.
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al qaeda is a model of loose networks that are connected to a. fundamental. base. both in terms of leadership as well in terms of ideology the islamic state on the other hand actually wants to have a physical state that aims to, expand its
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Al Qaeda is a model, of loose networks that are connected to a fundamental base both in terms of leadership as well in terms of ideology The Islamic State on the other hand actually wants to have a physical, state that aims to expand its
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al qaeda is a model of loose networks that are connected to a fundamental base, both in terms of leadership as well in terms of ideology. the islamic state, on the other hand, actually wants to have a physical state that aims to expand its borders.
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And Khatib says the fast-growing ambition of the so-called Islamic State is right there in the name. Tom Dreisbach, NPR News.
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and khatib says the fast-growing ambition of the so-called islamic state is right there in, the name tom dreisbach npr
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And Khatib says the fast-growing ambition of the so-called Islamic State is right there in the name Tom; Dreisbach. NPR
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and khatib says the fast-growing ambition of the so-called islamic state is right there in the name. tom dreisbach, npr news.
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The West African country of Mali sure knows what al-Qaida looks like in 2012. After a coup in Mali this past March, militants linked to al-Qaida took over the northern part of the country, and that has brought tourism to a virtual standstill, hurting a huge part of the economy. Tamasin Ford reports on the historic city of Segou.
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the west african country. of mali sure knows what al-qaida looks like in 2012. after a coup in mali this. past march militants linked to al-qaida, took over the northern part. of the country and that has brought tourism to a virtual standstill hurting a huge part, of the economy tamasin ford reports on the. historic city of
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The West African, country. of. Mali sure knows, what al-Qaida looks like in 2012. After; a, coup in Mali this past March militants linked to al-Qaida took over the northern part of. the country and. that has brought tourism to a virtual standstill hurting a huge part of the economy Tamasin Ford. reports on the historic city of
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the west african country of mali sure knows what al-qaida looks like in 2012. after a coup in mali this past march, militants linked to al-qaida took over the northern part of the country, and that has brought tourism to a virtual standstill, hurting a huge part of the economy. tamasin ford reports on the historic city of segou.
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The engine of the brightly painted pinasse, a wooden boat handcrafted with a swooping wicker canopy, slowly starts up. Modibo Ballo has been taking tourists out on the wide, stretching Niger River for more than 12 years.
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the engine of the brightly painted pinasse a wooden boat handcrafted with a. swooping wicker canopy slowly starts up modibo ballo has been taking tourists out on the wide; stretching niger, river for more than
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The engine of the brightly painted pinasse a wooden boat handcrafted with a swooping wicker canopy slowly starts up Modibo Ballo has been taking tourists out on the wide, stretching Niger River for more than
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the engine of the brightly painted pinasse, a wooden boat handcrafted with a swooping wicker canopy, slowly starts up. modibo ballo has been taking tourists out on the wide, stretching niger river for more than 12 years.
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When the tourists are coming here, we take them to show them the pottery villages, fishermen villages, and from there where there is the tomb of the king of Segou, and we show them the first mosque of Segou also.
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when the tourists are coming here we, take them to show. them the. pottery villages fishermen villages and from there where there is. the, tomb. of the. king of segou and we show them the first mosque of. segou
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When the tourists are coming here we take them to show them, the pottery villages fishermen villages and. from there where there is the tomb of the king. of Segou and we show them the first mosque of Segou
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when the tourists are coming here, we take them to show them the pottery villages, fishermen villages, and from there where there is the tomb of the king of segou, and we show them the first mosque of segou also.
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Segou is the capital of the ancient Bambarra kingdom and the start of the tourism trail in Mali. From here tourists can travel down a river through the arid lands of Mali to Mopti and Gao, finally reaching the magical and historic region of Timbuktu. And how many tourists have you had in your boat today?
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segou is the capital of. the ancient; bambarra, kingdom and the start of the tourism trail in mali from here tourists can travel down a river through the arid, lands, of mali, to mopti and gao. finally reaching the magical and, historic region of timbuktu and how many tourists have you had in, your boat
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Segou is the capital of the ancient Bambarra kingdom and the start of, the tourism trail, in Mali From here tourists can travel down a, river through the arid lands of Mali to Mopti and Gao finally reaching the magical and historic region of Timbuktu And how many tourists have you had in your, boat
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segou is the capital of the ancient bambarra kingdom and the start of the tourism trail in mali. from here tourists can travel down a river through the arid lands of mali to mopti and gao, finally reaching the magical and historic region of timbuktu. and how many tourists have you had in your boat today?
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Today we didn't get any tourists.
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today we didn't get any
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Today we didn't get any
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today we didn't get any tourists.
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And yesterday?
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and yesterday?
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Yesterday nothing as well.
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yesterday nothing as
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Yesterday nothing as
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yesterday nothing as well.
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So when was the last time you had a big group of tourists?
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so when was the last time you had a big. group of
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So, when was, the last time you had a big group of
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so when was the last time you had a big group of tourists?
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Last time it was in last February. From that time to now, there is not any tourists that's coming.
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last time, it was. in last february from that time to now there is not any tourists that's
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Last time it was in last February From that time to now there. is not any tourists that's
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last time it was in last february. from that time to now, there is not any tourists that's coming.
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It's a similar story all over Segou. Hotels are laying off staff or closing down altogether. Boutique riverside restaurants are empty, and the tourist guides and craft sellers sit around drinking green tea with little to do.
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it's a similar story, all over segou hotels are laying off staff or closing down altogether. boutique riverside; restaurants are empty and the tourist guides. and craft sellers sit around drinking green; tea with little to
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It's a similar story all over Segou Hotels are laying off staff, or closing, down. altogether, Boutique. riverside, restaurants are empty and the tourist guides and, craft sellers sit around drinking green tea with little to
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it's a similar story all over segou. hotels are laying off staff or closing down altogether. boutique riverside restaurants are empty, and the tourist guides and craft sellers sit around drinking green tea with little to do.
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So really this crisis, I don't know what to say, but we are suffering, that's really 100 percent sure, because our job is tourism. If there is no tourism we don't know anything to do.
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so really this crisis i don't know what to say but we are, suffering. that's really 100 percent sure because our job is tourism if there is no tourism we don't know anything to
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So really, this. crisis I don't know what to say but we are suffering that's really 100 percent sure because our job is tourism If there is no tourism we don't know anything to
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so really this crisis, i don't know what to say, but we are suffering, that's really 100 percent sure, because our job is tourism. if there is no tourism we don't know anything to do.
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Tourism is Mali's third-biggest revenue generator. Close to 170,000 people visited the country last year, each spending more than $100 a day. Only about 7,000 came through in the first half of this year. That's a huge blow for the economy. Ousmane Ag Rhissa is the minister of handicrafts and tourism in Mali.
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tourism is mali's third-biggest revenue generator. close to 170,000 people visited the country last year each spending more than $100 a day only about, 7,000 came through in the first. half of this year that's. a huge, blow for. the economy, ousmane ag. rhissa is the. minister of handicrafts and tourism in
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Tourism is Mali's third-biggest revenue generator. Close to, 170,000 people visited the country last year each spending more than. $100 a day Only about 7,000 came. through in the first half, of this year That's a huge blow for the economy Ousmane Ag Rhissa is the minister of handicrafts and, tourism in
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tourism is mali's third-biggest revenue generator. close to 170,000 people visited the country last year, each spending more than $100 a day. only about 7,000 came through in the first half of this year. that's a huge blow for the economy. ousmane ag rhissa is the minister of handicrafts and tourism in mali.
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(Through translator) If you compare this period to the past, it's the opening of the season and there should be lots and lots of tourists in all the towns in all directions. It is true there is not one single tourist now.
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(through translator) if you compare this period to the. past it's; the opening of the, season and there should be, lots and lots of, tourists, in all the towns in all directions it is. true there is not one single tourist
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(Through translator) If you compare this period, to the past it's the opening of the season and there should be lots, and lots of tourists in all the towns in all directions It is true there is not one single tourist
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(through translator) if you compare this period to the past, it's the opening of the season and there should be lots and lots of tourists in all the towns in all directions. it is true there is not one single tourist now.
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In the capital city of Bamako, only two of Dalla Sininta's four tailors have come in today. There isn't enough work for the others. It's the wedding season, usually the busiest time of year for clothing stores like this one. It's not just people working in the tourism sector who are facing hard times - it's everyone. With less money circulating around the country there is less for people to spend, meaning fewer profits for businesswomen like Dalla.
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in the capital city, of bamako only two of dalla sininta's. four tailors have come in today there isn't enough, work for the others it's the wedding season usually. the busiest time of year for clothing stores like this one it's not just people working in the tourism, sector who, are facing hard times - it's everyone with less money circulating around the, country; there is less for people to spend meaning fewer profits for. businesswomen like.
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In the capital city of Bamako only two of Dalla Sininta's four tailors have come in today There isn't. enough work for the others It's the wedding season usually the busiest time of year; for clothing stores like this one, It's not just people working in, the tourism sector who. are facing hard times - it's everyone With less money circulating around the country there is less for people to spend meaning fewer profits for businesswomen; like
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in the capital city of bamako, only two of dalla sininta's four tailors have come in today. there isn't enough work for the others. it's the wedding season, usually the busiest time of year for clothing stores like this one. it's not just people working in the tourism sector who are facing hard times - it's everyone. with less money circulating around the country there is less for people to spend, meaning fewer profits for businesswomen like dalla.
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The customers don't come because of the lack of money. People don't have money. And the country is not working.
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the customers don't come because of the lack of money people don't; have money and the. country is not
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The customers don't come because of the lack of money People don't have money And. the country is not,
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the customers don't come because of the lack of money. people don't have money. and the country is not working.
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The carpenter's workshop behind Dalla's store has shut down, laying off 18 of its 20 workers. The small money-changing kiosk up the road is struggling to find tourists with the much-needed foreign currency. Everyone is quickly beginning to feel the pinch. For NPR News, I'm Tamasin Ford in Bamako, Mali.
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the carpenter's workshop behind dalla's store has shut down, laying off 18 of, its 20 workers the small money-changing kiosk up, the road is struggling to find tourists with; the much-needed foreign currency everyone is quickly beginning to feel the pinch for npr news, i'm tamasin ford in bamako,
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The carpenter's workshop behind Dalla's store has shut down laying off 18 of its 20 workers The small money-changing, kiosk up the road is struggling to find tourists with the, much-needed foreign currency Everyone is quickly beginning to feel the pinch For NPR News I'm Tamasin Ford in Bamako
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the carpenter's workshop behind dalla's store has shut down, laying off 18 of its 20 workers. the small money-changing kiosk up the road is struggling to find tourists with the much-needed foreign currency. everyone is quickly beginning to feel the pinch. for npr news, i'm tamasin ford in bamako, mali.
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Americans see U.S. power in the world declining. That is the key finding of a survey by the Pew Research Center. It also finds that most Americans think the U.S. should be engaged in the global economy, but ought to concentrate on solving domestic problems. Michael Dimock is here to talk about this poll. He's the director of the Pew Research Center. Good to see you again.
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americans see u.s power, in the world declining that is the key finding of a survey by; the pew research center it also, finds that most americans think the u.s should, be engaged in the global economy but ought, to concentrate on solving domestic problems michael dimock. is here to talk about. this poll he's the director. of the pew research center good to see you
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Americans see U.S power in the world declining That is the key finding of a survey by the Pew Research Center It also finds that most Americans think, the U.S should be engaged in the global, economy but ought to concentrate on solving domestic. problems Michael Dimock is here to talk about this poll He's the director of, the Pew Research Center Good, to see you
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americans see u.s. power in the world declining. that is the key finding of a survey by the pew research center. it also finds that most americans think the u.s. should be engaged in the global economy, but ought to concentrate on solving domestic problems. michael dimock is here to talk about this poll. he's the director of the pew research center. good to see you again.
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And first, how many Americans say the U.S. role is declining and how significant a number is that?
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and first how, many americans say the, u.s role is declining and how significant a number is
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And first how many Americans say the U.S role is declining and how significant a number is
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and first, how many americans say the u.s. role is declining and how significant a number is that?
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Yeah. We have to understand that this is how it works and we don't really have a lot of say in these kind of things, and just be happy that we were blessed with what he had to give us when he was here.
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yeah we have to understand that this is how it works and. we don't really have a lot of say in, these kind of things and just be happy that we were blessed with what he had to give us when he was
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Yeah We have to understand that this is how it works and we don't really have a lot of say in these kind of things and just be. happy that we were blessed with what. he had. to give, us when he was
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yeah. we have to understand that this is how it works and we don't really have a lot of say in these kind of things, and just be happy that we were blessed with what he had to give us when he was here.
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Thanks, Ed. Joining me from our bureau in New York is Dewitt Gilmore, who writes under the name Relentless Aaron. He's the author of Push, The Last Kingpin and Platinum Dolls, among other books. Also in our New York bureau is Malaika Adero, senior editor for Atria Books at Simon and Schuster. And from the studios of Emory University, Nick Chiles, editor-in-chief of Odyssey Couleur travel magazine. He recently wrote an op-ed piece in the New York Times titled There Eyes Were Reading Smut. Welcome to all of you.
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thanks ed joining me, from our bureau in new york is dewitt gilmore who writes under the name relentless aaron he's the author of push the last kingpin and platinum. dolls among other books also in our new york bureau is malaika, adero senior editor for atria books at simon and schuster and from the. studios of emory university, nick chiles editor-in-chief of odyssey, couleur travel, magazine he recently wrote an op-ed piece in the new york times titled there eyes were reading smut welcome to all of
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Thanks Ed Joining me from our bureau in New York is Dewitt Gilmore who writes under the name Relentless Aaron He's the author of Push The Last Kingpin and Platinum Dolls among other books Also in our New, York bureau is Malaika Adero senior editor for Atria Books at Simon and Schuster And from. the studios of Emory, University Nick Chiles editor-in-chief of Odyssey Couleur travel magazine He recently wrote an, op-ed piece in the New York. Times titled There Eyes Were Reading Smut Welcome to all of
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thanks, ed. joining me from our bureau in new york is dewitt gilmore, who writes under the name relentless aaron. he's the author of push, the last kingpin and platinum dolls, among other books. also in our new york bureau is malaika adero, senior editor for atria books at simon and schuster. and from the studios of emory university, nick chiles, editor-in-chief of odyssey couleur travel magazine. he recently wrote an op-ed piece in the new york times titled there eyes were reading smut. welcome to all of you.
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So, Relentless, can you give us a taste of what your books are like? You know, the plots, the characters, the audience.
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so relentless can you give; us a taste of what your books, are, like? you know the plots the characters the
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So Relentless can you give us, a taste. of what your books are, like? You know the plots the characters the
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so, relentless, can you give us a taste of what your books are like? you know, the plots, the characters, the audience.
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Generally, what I did was I pulled from my experiences in business, in entertainment, on the streets, in prison, and in the Marine Corp, I basically took from all of these various experiences and poured them into my characters, my plots and worked at being, at mastering my craft in doing so.
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generally. what i did was i pulled from my experiences in business, in entertainment on the streets in, prison and in the marine corp i basically took from all of these various experiences and poured. them into my characters my plots and worked at being at mastering my craft. in doing
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Generally what I did was. I pulled from my experiences in business in entertainment, on the streets in. prison and in the Marine Corp I, basically took from all of these various experiences and poured them into my characters my plots and worked at being at mastering my. craft in doing
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generally, what i did was i pulled from my experiences in business, in entertainment, on the streets, in prison, and in the marine corp, i basically took from all of these various experiences and poured them into my characters, my plots and worked at being, at mastering my craft in doing so.
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The Last Kingpin, just one of your titles. What's that about?
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the last; kingpin just, one of your titles what's that
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The Last Kingpin just one of your titles What's that
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the last kingpin, just one of your titles. what's that about?
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It's about an organization that stretches from the streets of the Bronx to the jungles of Bogota, Columbia, and I'd like to say that it's a big lesson in humanity because it really outlays the levels of desperation and temptation that there are in, as it relates to the drug industry. This would also touch on the thugs in the street that sell it, the traffickers, the DEA that hunts it down, the death squads that commandeer it down in the jungles, and as well as the farmers, so it really is, it spans that entire organization, and it doesn't leave anything at random, like these random acts that you see today. This really does lay it out intricately, surgically. It's a look at the drug war as we know it today.
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it's about an organization that, stretches from the streets of the bronx to. the jungles of bogota columbia and i'd like to say that it's a big lesson. in humanity because it really outlays, the levels. of desperation and temptation that there are in. as it, relates to the drug industry this would also touch on the thugs in the street that sell it the traffickers the dea that hunts it down the death squads that commandeer it down in the jungles and as well. as the farmers so it really. is it spans that entire organization. and it doesn't, leave anything at random, like these random acts that you, see today this really does lay, it out intricately surgically it's a look at the drug war as. we know. it
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It's about an organization that stretches, from the streets of the Bronx to the; jungles of Bogota Columbia and I'd like, to say that it's a big lesson in humanity because it really outlays the, levels of desperation and temptation that there. are in as it relates to the drug industry This would also touch on the. thugs in the, street that sell it the traffickers the DEA that hunts it down; the death squads that; commandeer it down in the jungles and as well as the farmers so it really is. it spans, that entire organization and it doesn't leave anything at random. like these random acts that. you see today This really. does lay it out intricately surgically It's a look at the drug war, as we know it
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it's about an organization that stretches from the streets of the bronx to the jungles of bogota, columbia, and i'd like to say that it's a big lesson in humanity because it really outlays the levels of desperation and temptation that there are in, as it relates to the drug industry. this would also touch on the thugs in the street that sell it, the traffickers, the dea that hunts it down, the death squads that commandeer it down in the jungles, and as well as the farmers, so it really is, it spans that entire organization, and it doesn't leave anything at random, like these random acts that you see today. this really does lay it out intricately, surgically. it's a look at the drug war as we know it today.
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Malaika, the place where you work, Atria Books, publishes everything from the speeches of Ozzie Davis to the kind of va-va-voom bedroom lit of Zane. So what in particular is the appeal of someone like Zane? And who is the audience for those top-selling books?
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malaika the place where you, work atria books publishes everything, from the speeches of ozzie davis to the kind of va-va-voom bedroom lit of, zane so what in particular is; the appeal. of someone like zane? and who is the audience for those top-selling
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Malaika the place where you work Atria Books publishes everything from the speeches of Ozzie Davis to, the kind of; va-va-voom bedroom lit of Zane, So, what in particular is the appeal of someone like, Zane? And who is the audience for those top-selling
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malaika, the place where you work, atria books, publishes everything from the speeches of ozzie davis to the kind of va-va-voom bedroom lit of zane. so what in particular is the appeal of someone like zane? and who is the audience for those top-selling books?
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Well, the numbers of the audience are in the hundreds of thousands, and it's primarily women. It's primarily African-American women. The range of education levels and economic levels to not any one particular core group.
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well the numbers of the audience are in the hundreds of thousands and it's primarily, women it's primarily african-american women the range of education levels and economic levels to. not any one particular core
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Well the. numbers of the audience are in the hundreds of thousands and it's primarily women It's primarily African-American women The range of education levels and economic levels to not any one particular core
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well, the numbers of the audience are in the hundreds of thousands, and it's primarily women. it's primarily african-american women. the range of education levels and economic levels to not any one particular core group.
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And is it strange to be at a publishing imprint that has such a wide span of the kinds of books that you publish, some of which are very highbrow, and some of which are not?
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and is it, strange to, be at a publishing imprint that has such a wide span of the kinds of books that you, publish some. of which are very, highbrow and some. of which are
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And is it strange to be. at a publishing. imprint, that has such. a wide span of the, kinds of books, that, you publish some of which are; very highbrow and some of which are
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and is it strange to be at a publishing imprint that has such a wide span of the kinds of books that you publish, some of which are very highbrow, and some of which are not?
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No, no, and actually, no stranger than I am because really my list reflects who I am, and I appreciate as a reader and as an editor literature that ranges from the literary, Maurice Kongday(ph), Carl Hancock Rux, to urban lit. I mean, there are categories of literature that I don't do, for example romance novels. That's not something that is particularly my forte. I cater to a market that is very varied. I mean, the African-American market is very varied. Obviously, the American public is quite varied. I have books by Asian writers, European writers as well.
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no no and actually no stranger than i am because really my list reflects who i am and i appreciate as a reader. and as an editor literature that ranges from the literary maurice kongday(ph), carl hancock rux to urban lit i. mean there are categories of literature that. i don't do for example romance novels that's not something that is particularly my forte i cater, to a market that is very varied i mean the african-american market is very varied. obviously the american public is quite; varied i have. books by; asian writers. european writers as
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No no and actually no stranger than I am because really my. list reflects who I am and. I appreciate as a reader and as an editor literature that ranges from; the literary Maurice, Kongday(ph), Carl Hancock Rux. to urban lit I mean there are categories of literature that I don't do, for example romance novels That's not, something that is particularly my forte I cater to a market that, is very varied I mean the African-American market is very varied Obviously the American public is quite varied I have books by Asian writers European; writers as
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no, no, and actually, no stranger than i am because really my list reflects who i am, and i appreciate as a reader and as an editor literature that ranges from the literary, maurice kongday(ph), carl hancock rux, to urban lit. i mean, there are categories of literature that i don't do, for example romance novels. that's not something that is particularly my forte. i cater to a market that is very varied. i mean, the african-american market is very varied. obviously, the american public is quite varied. i have books by asian writers, european writers as well.
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Now, Nick, you're a novelist, and you wrote a scathing New York Times op-ed called Their Eyes Were Reading Smut. In response, author Jill Nelson sent in a letter of support, and she complained, in that letter, that the bookstores, quote consign African-American writers to a literary ghetto, end quote. Now, is the problem street lit books themselves? Or is it the fact that all black books are lumped together in one section of the book store?
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now nick you're a novelist and you wrote a. scathing new york. times op-ed called their eyes were reading smut, in response author jill nelson sent in a. letter of support and she complained in that. letter that the; bookstores quote consign; african-american writers to a literary ghetto, end quote now is the, problem street lit books themselves? or is it the fact that all black books are lumped together. in one section of the book
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Now Nick you're a novelist and you wrote a scathing. New York Times op-ed called Their Eyes Were Reading, Smut In response author. Jill Nelson sent in a letter of support and she complained in that letter that, the. bookstores quote consign African-American, writers to a literary ghetto end quote Now is the problem street lit books themselves? Or is it the fact that all black books. are lumped together in one section of the book
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now, nick, you're a novelist, and you wrote a scathing new york times op-ed called their eyes were reading smut. in response, author jill nelson sent in a letter of support, and she complained, in that letter, that the bookstores, quote consign african-american writers to a literary ghetto, end quote. now, is the problem street lit books themselves? or is it the fact that all black books are lumped together in one section of the book store?
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No, actually, I don't mind the one section of the bookstore. I mean, I appreciated Jill's perspective on that. But my complaint was how the section now seems to be overwhelmed by this street lit, and street lit, in and of itself, isn't something that I necessarily have had a problem with. I mean, it's not the kind of books that I would prefer to read or that I would want my children reading, but when I walked into a Borders a few weeks ago, and I had been aware of this, the growing influence of street lit, certainly if you go into any black bookstore the last couple years, it pretty much has become all that you see.
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no actually i don't mind the one section of the bookstore i, mean i appreciated jill's perspective on that. but my complaint was how the, section now seems to be, overwhelmed by this. street lit and street lit in and of itself isn't something that i necessarily have had a problem with i, mean it's not. the kind, of; books that i would, prefer, to read. or that i would want my. children reading but when i walked into a borders a few weeks ago and i had been aware of this the growing influence, of street lit certainly if, you go into any black bookstore the last couple years it pretty much has become all that you
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No, actually I don't mind the one section of the bookstore. I. mean I appreciated Jill's perspective on that But my complaint was how the section now seems to be overwhelmed by this street lit and street lit. in and of itself isn't something that I necessarily have had a problem with, I mean it's not, the kind of books that I would prefer to read or that I would want my children reading but, when I walked, into a Borders. a few weeks ago and I had been aware of this the growing influence of street lit certainly if you go, into, any black bookstore the last, couple years it pretty much has. become all that you
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no, actually, i don't mind the one section of the bookstore. i mean, i appreciated jill's perspective on that. but my complaint was how the section now seems to be overwhelmed by this street lit, and street lit, in and of itself, isn't something that i necessarily have had a problem with. i mean, it's not the kind of books that i would prefer to read or that i would want my children reading, but when i walked into a borders a few weeks ago, and i had been aware of this, the growing influence of street lit, certainly if you go into any black bookstore the last couple years, it pretty much has become all that you see.
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But I think I was blown away when I saw it in Borders, and so I guess, kind of seeing all those titles, lurid and very crass, the sexual positions and the violence depicted on the covers, it all just kind of hit me at once like a smack in the face. When you look at this title above this section, African- American fiction, and then you walk in it, then you get the impression that this is who we as an African-American community consist of: crime, violence, a glorification of these street elements that certainly don't even come close to depicting the totality of our experience in this country, so...
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but i think i was blown away when i saw it in borders and so i guess kind of seeing all those titles lurid and very crass the sexual positions and the violence, depicted on the, covers it, all just kind of hit me at, once like a smack in, the face. when you look, at this title above this section african- american fiction and then you. walk in it then you get the impression that this is who we, as an african-american, community consist of: crime violence, a glorification of these street elements that certainly don't even come. close to depicting the totality of, our. experience in this country
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But I think I was blown away when I. saw it, in. Borders and, so, I guess kind of seeing all those titles lurid and very crass the sexual positions; and the violence depicted on the covers it all just kind. of hit me. at once like a smack in the face When you look at this title above this section African- American. fiction and then you walk in it then you get the impression that this is who we, as an. African-American community consist of: crime violence a glorification of. these street elements that certainly don't even come close to. depicting the. totality of our experience in this country
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but i think i was blown away when i saw it in borders, and so i guess, kind of seeing all those titles, lurid and very crass, the sexual positions and the violence depicted on the covers, it all just kind of hit me at once like a smack in the face. when you look at this title above this section, african- american fiction, and then you walk in it, then you get the impression that this is who we as an african-american community consist of: crime, violence, a glorification of these street elements that certainly don't even come close to depicting the totality of our experience in this country, so...
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But Nick, let me ask you this. Who are you blaming? Who was slapping you in the face? Was it the black readers? Was it the street lit authors?
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but nick let me ask you this who are you. blaming? who was slapping you in the face? was it the black readers? was it the street lit
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But Nick let me ask you this Who, are you blaming? Who was. slapping you in the face? Was it the black, readers? Was it the street lit
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but nick, let me ask you this. who are you blaming? who was slapping you in the face? was it the black readers? was it the street lit authors?
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I think everybody has a stake in this. I mean, certainly the publishing community has seen the dollars that are available with this type of fiction, and they're going at it whole heartedly, kind of crowding a lot of other things off of their lists and out of the market. The bookstores don't really have much a conscience.
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i think everybody has, a stake in this i mean certainly. the publishing community has, seen the dollars that are available with this, type of fiction and they're going at it whole heartedly kind of crowding a lot of other; things off of their lists. and, out, of the market the bookstores, don't really have much a
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I think everybody has a stake. in this I mean certainly the; publishing community has seen the dollars that are available with this type of fiction. and they're going at it whole heartedly kind of crowding. a lot of other things off of their lists and out of the market, The bookstores don't really have much a
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i think everybody has a stake in this. i mean, certainly the publishing community has seen the dollars that are available with this type of fiction, and they're going at it whole heartedly, kind of crowding a lot of other things off of their lists and out of the market. the bookstores don't really have much a conscience.
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They see what sells, and they respond to that. But I think readers who appreciate different types of literature, different types of experiences depicted in their literature, they have more of a responsibility to go to the stores and buy the things that they like to support, a diversity of book types, because right now, as Malaika mentioned, there's a lot of women buying this stuff, a lot of younger women, like girls buying this stuff, and so the booksellers are responding to the marketplace, and so that's what consumers seem to be saying that they want.
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they see what sells and. they respond to that but i think, readers who appreciate different types of literature different types of experiences. depicted in their literature they have more of a responsibility to go to the stores. and buy the things that they like to; support a diversity of book types because right now as malaika mentioned there's a lot of women buying this stuff a lot of younger women like girls buying this stuff and so the booksellers are responding to the. marketplace and so that's what, consumers seem to be saying that they
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They see what sells and they respond. to that. But I think readers who appreciate, different, types of literature. different, types of experiences depicted in their literature they have more of a responsibility to go. to the stores and buy the things that they like to support a diversity of book types because right now as Malaika mentioned there's a lot of, women buying this stuff a lot of younger women like girls buying this stuff and so the booksellers are responding to the marketplace and so that's what consumers seem to be saying that they
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they see what sells, and they respond to that. but i think readers who appreciate different types of literature, different types of experiences depicted in their literature, they have more of a responsibility to go to the stores and buy the things that they like to support, a diversity of book types, because right now, as malaika mentioned, there's a lot of women buying this stuff, a lot of younger women, like girls buying this stuff, and so the booksellers are responding to the marketplace, and so that's what consumers seem to be saying that they want.
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So, Malaika, if you were on the subway in New York, and you saw a 13- year old girl reading Zane, I've seen them reading it, would you feel like, Gosh, I unleashed something on the world that maybe isn't going where I intended it to go?
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so malaika if, you were on the. subway in new york and you saw a, 13- year old girl reading zane i've seen them reading, it would you feel like gosh. i unleashed something on the world, that maybe; isn't, going where. i intended. it to,
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So Malaika if you were on the subway in New York. and you saw a 13- year old girl reading Zane I've seen them reading it would, you feel like Gosh I unleashed something on the world that, maybe. isn't going where I intended it to
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so, malaika, if you were on the subway in new york, and you saw a 13- year old girl reading zane, i've seen them reading it, would you feel like, gosh, i unleashed something on the world that maybe isn't going where i intended it to go?
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No, I don't think that. I mean, I'd prefer to see a 13-year old reading something else, but I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. When I was in junior high school and high school, you know, we were always dog- earing the pages of books like Mario Puzo's The Godfather and anything else we read that had any sexual content of it, and passing it around. You know, I mean, that's what kids do. I would hope that that 13-yearold's experience was balanced at school and at home by exposure to other kinds of literature.
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no i don't think that i mean i'd prefer to see a 13-year old reading something else but i don't think it's the worst thing; in the world; when i was in junior high school and high school you know we were always, dog- earing, the pages, of, books like mario puzo's the godfather and anything else we read that had any sexual content of it and passing it around you know i mean that's what kids do i would hope, that that 13-yearold's experience was balanced, at school. and. at home. by exposure to other kinds of
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No I don't think that I mean I'd prefer to see a. 13-year old reading something, else but I don't think it's the worst thing in the. world When I was in junior high, school and high school you know we. were always, dog- earing the pages of books like Mario Puzo's The Godfather and anything else we read that; had any sexual content of it and passing it around You know I mean. that's what kids do I would hope that that. 13-yearold's experience was balanced at, school and; at home by exposure to other kinds of
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no, i don't think that. i mean, i'd prefer to see a 13-year old reading something else, but i don't think it's the worst thing in the world. when i was in junior high school and high school, you know, we were always dog- earing the pages of books like mario puzo's the godfather and anything else we read that had any sexual content of it, and passing it around. you know, i mean, that's what kids do. i would hope that that 13-yearold's experience was balanced at school and at home by exposure to other kinds of literature.
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Relentless, how do you respond to somebody like Nick who's like, you know what, this is crazy that black literature is being converted into this street literature?
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relentless how do you respond, to somebody like nick who's like you know what; this is crazy. that black literature is being converted into this street
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Relentless how do you respond to, somebody like Nick who's like you know what this is crazy that black literature is being converted into; this street,
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relentless, how do you respond to somebody like nick who's like, you know what, this is crazy that black literature is being converted into this street literature?
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Well, you know, if you walk out of your house, and you walk down the block, you can find anything to be offended to by, so you know, I live by a live and let live philosophy, so you know, nothing that the next person does is going to really bother me unless it has some physical implications, and then it's all bets off.
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well you know. if you walk out of your house and you walk down the block you can find, anything to be offended; to by so you know i live, by a live and let. live philosophy so you know nothing that the next person does is going to, really bother me, unless it has some physical implications and then it's all bets
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Well you know if you walk out of your house and you walk down. the block you can find anything to be offended to by so. you know I live by a live and, let live philosophy so you know nothing that the next person, does is going to really bother me unless it has some. physical implications, and then it's all bets
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well, you know, if you walk out of your house, and you walk down the block, you can find anything to be offended to by, so you know, i live by a live and let live philosophy, so you know, nothing that the next person does is going to really bother me unless it has some physical implications, and then it's all bets off.
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You know, I don't know how Nick's doing with book sales, and I really don't know why he felt that slap in the face, but you know what? If I was in his shoes, I would not necessarily hate on the next genre. I would try to do what was necessary to push my book, to push my book to the forefront because there's always going to be stuff out there that we can detest or what have you. But to each his own.
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you know i don't know how nick's doing. with book sales and i really don't know why he felt that slap, in the face but you. know what? if i was. in his shoes, i would not necessarily hate on the next genre, i would try to do what was necessary to push my book to push my book to the forefront because there's always going to be stuff out there, that we can detest or, what have you but to each his
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You know I, don't know how Nick's doing with book sales, and I really don't know why he felt that slap in the face but you know what? If I, was, in his shoes I would not necessarily hate on the next. genre I would, try to do what was necessary to push my book to push my book to the forefront, because there's always going to be stuff, out there that we can detest or what have you But to each his
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you know, i don't know how nick's doing with book sales, and i really don't know why he felt that slap in the face, but you know what? if i was in his shoes, i would not necessarily hate on the next genre. i would try to do what was necessary to push my book, to push my book to the forefront because there's always going to be stuff out there that we can detest or what have you. but to each his own.
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How could you write books, in one sense, and then frown on another genre, an entire genre of books, an entire genre of books that's doing nothing but stimulating reading. We want readers by any means necessary because whether they read good or bad books, whether the kids read good or bad books, they're still broadening their awareness. And then eventually, as they grow out of what Nick calls the smut, then maybe perhaps they'll read a book like Guy Johnson, Maya Angelou's son, who's one of my favorite authors.
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how could you, write books in one sense and then, frown on another genre an entire genre of books an entire genre of books that's doing. nothing but stimulating reading, we want. readers by any means necessary because whether they read good, or bad books whether the kids read good or bad books they're still broadening their awareness and then eventually as they, grow out of what nick calls the smut then maybe perhaps they'll read. a book like guy johnson maya angelou's son who's one of my favorite
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How could you. write books in one sense and then frown on another genre an entire genre of books an entire genre of books that's doing nothing, but stimulating reading We want, readers by any, means necessary. because whether they read good or bad books whether the kids read good or bad books they're still broadening their awareness And then eventually as they grow. out of what. Nick calls the smut then maybe, perhaps they'll read a book, like. Guy Johnson Maya Angelou's son who's one of my favorite.
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how could you write books, in one sense, and then frown on another genre, an entire genre of books, an entire genre of books that's doing nothing but stimulating reading. we want readers by any means necessary because whether they read good or bad books, whether the kids read good or bad books, they're still broadening their awareness. and then eventually, as they grow out of what nick calls the smut, then maybe perhaps they'll read a book like guy johnson, maya angelou's son, who's one of my favorite authors.
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But then, when you frown on that quote unquote "smut," are you frowning on Sydney Sheldon's smut that's deeply buried in his fiction? Are you frowning on Elmore Leonard's smut, who buries things like that deep in his fiction? I mean, you know, why should we would be outcasted? We should be embraced and encouraged to write, to be more imaginative, to write books that step beyond the threshold.
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but then when you frown on that quote unquote "smut" are, you frowning on sydney sheldon's smut that's deeply buried in his fiction? are you frowning on elmore leonard's smut, who buries things like that deep in his fiction? i mean you know why should we. would be outcasted? we should be embraced and encouraged to write to be more imaginative to write books that step beyond, the
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But then when you frown on that quote unquote "smut" are you frowning on Sydney Sheldon's smut that's deeply buried in his fiction? Are you frowning on. Elmore Leonard's smut who buries things like that deep in his fiction? I mean you know why should we would be outcasted? We should be embraced and, encouraged to write to be more imaginative to write books that step; beyond the
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but then, when you frown on that quote unquote "smut," are you frowning on sydney sheldon's smut that's deeply buried in his fiction? are you frowning on elmore leonard's smut, who buries things like that deep in his fiction? i mean, you know, why should we would be outcasted? we should be embraced and encouraged to write, to be more imaginative, to write books that step beyond the threshold.
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Let me Nick in on that. Why should he be lambasted? And isn't it just the same as the smutty white authors? Or is there a higher stake because of the race issue?
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let me nick in on, that why should he be lambasted? and isn't it, just the same as the smutty white authors? or. is there. a higher stake because of the race
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Let me Nick, in on that Why should he be lambasted? And isn't it just the same as the smutty white authors? Or. is there a higher stake because. of the race
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let me nick in on that. why should he be lambasted? and isn't it just the same as the smutty white authors? or is there a higher stake because of the race issue?
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There's definitely a higher stake because of the race issue. I'm a parent. I'm somebody who cares about my community, who cares about the things that my children are exposed to, and if I see a ten-year old who's wandering into a bookstore or who's in a library, African-American, and looking for something to inspire them, I will be disturbed by seeing this, the offerings that are in front of them in a Borders or in the library if it consists largely of this urban fiction.
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there's definitely a higher stake because of. the race issue i'm a, parent i'm somebody who cares about my community who cares about, the things that my children are exposed to, and if i. see a ten-year old who's wandering into a bookstore; or who's in a library african-american and looking for something. to inspire, them i will be disturbed. by; seeing this the offerings; that are in front of them in a borders or in the library if it consists; largely of this urban
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There's definitely a higher stake because. of the race issue I'm a parent I'm somebody who cares about my community who cares about the things that my children are exposed to and if I see a ten-year old who's wandering into, a bookstore or who's in a library African-American and looking for something to inspire them I will be disturbed by seeing this the offerings that are. in front of them in a Borders, or in the library if it consists largely of this urban
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there's definitely a higher stake because of the race issue. i'm a parent. i'm somebody who cares about my community, who cares about the things that my children are exposed to, and if i see a ten-year old who's wandering into a bookstore or who's in a library, african-american, and looking for something to inspire them, i will be disturbed by seeing this, the offerings that are in front of them in a borders or in the library if it consists largely of this urban fiction.
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No, I don't have a problem with the fact that urban fiction exists and that there are writers like Relentless Aaron out there making a dime, and yes, your books may sell more than mine. That's not the question. That is not even close to why I'm here. I'm talking about the message that we're sending to our community that this is who we are, this is who we consist of, then you're really short selling who we are and the diversity of our experiences in America.
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no i. don't have, a problem with. the fact that, urban fiction exists and that there are writers like relentless aaron out there making; a dime and yes your books, may sell more than, mine that's not, the question, that is not even close to why i'm here, i'm talking, about the message that we're sending to our community; that this is who we are this is who we consist of then you're really, short, selling who we are and the diversity of our experiences in
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No I don't have a problem with the fact that, urban fiction exists and that there are writers like Relentless Aaron out there making a dime and, yes your books may sell more than mine That's not the question That is not even close to why I'm here I'm, talking about the message that we're sending to our community that this is who. we are this. is who we consist of, then, you're; really short selling who we are and the diversity of. our experiences. in
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no, i don't have a problem with the fact that urban fiction exists and that there are writers like relentless aaron out there making a dime, and yes, your books may sell more than mine. that's not the question. that is not even close to why i'm here. i'm talking about the message that we're sending to our community that this is who we are, this is who we consist of, then you're really short selling who we are and the diversity of our experiences in america.
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Malaika, let me bring you back in here. One of our commentators here at NEWS AND NOTES, Professor Mark Anthony Neal, thinks that the appeal of street lit is similar to that of hip-hop music. He says there's been a kind of travelogue appeal to it--folks get to travel into the ghetto by listening to the music. Now, if you carry that analogy out, some people have critiqued hip- hop, because it's like, you know, there's guys producing albums about drive- bys, long after they've made millions of dollars, because they're taking white kids into some kind of fantasy about what ghetto life is like. Is this street lit starting to cross over to white audiences, and if so, what are they learning about black life from it?
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malaika let me bring you back in here one. of our commentators, here at news and notes professor mark anthony neal thinks that. the appeal of street lit is similar to that of, hip-hop, music, he says there's, been a kind. of travelogue appeal to it--folks, get to travel into the ghetto by listening to the music now if you carry that, analogy out some people have critiqued, hip- hop because it's. like you know there's guys producing albums; about drive- bys long after they've, made millions of dollars because they're taking white kids into, some kind of fantasy about what ghetto life is like is this. street lit starting to cross over to white. audiences and if so what are they learning about black life, from
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Malaika let me bring, you back in, here One of our commentators here at NEWS AND NOTES Professor Mark Anthony Neal thinks that the appeal of street lit is similar to that of hip-hop music He says there's been a kind. of travelogue appeal to it--folks get to travel into the ghetto by listening to the music Now if you carry that analogy out some people have critiqued hip- hop because it's like you know there's guys producing albums about. drive- bys long. after they've, made millions of dollars because they're taking white kids into some kind of fantasy about what ghetto life is like Is this street lit starting to cross over, to white audiences and if so what, are they learning, about black life from
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malaika, let me bring you back in here. one of our commentators here at news and notes, professor mark anthony neal, thinks that the appeal of street lit is similar to that of hip-hop music. he says there's been a kind of travelogue appeal to it--folks get to travel into the ghetto by listening to the music. now, if you carry that analogy out, some people have critiqued hip- hop, because it's like, you know, there's guys producing albums about drive- bys, long after they've made millions of dollars, because they're taking white kids into some kind of fantasy about what ghetto life is like. is this street lit starting to cross over to white audiences, and if so, what are they learning about black life from it?
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Yes, it's a good question and we don't see any evidence that it has. I think that it's a matter of time, myself, but actually, I don't think it has yet crossed over, but I agree with your colleague. The literature does mirror the music. And the literature is varied, it's not all the same. I mean, the quality of the writing from author to author isn't the same, the content and the story lines are not the same.
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yes it's a. good question and we don't see any evidence that it has i think that it's a matter of. time myself but actually i don't think it has yet crossed over but i agree with your, colleague the literature does mirror the music and the literature is varied it's not all the same i mean the quality of the writing from author to, author isn't the same the content and the. story lines are not the
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Yes it's a good question and we don't see any evidence that it has I think that it's a matter of time myself but actually. I don't think. it has. yet crossed over but I agree with your colleague The literature does mirror the music And the literature is varied it's not all the same I mean the. quality of the writing. from author, to author isn't the same the content and the story lines. are not the
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yes, it's a good question and we don't see any evidence that it has. i think that it's a matter of time, myself, but actually, i don't think it has yet crossed over, but i agree with your colleague. the literature does mirror the music. and the literature is varied, it's not all the same. i mean, the quality of the writing from author to author isn't the same, the content and the story lines are not the same.
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I, of course, publish some of this, and I do because I think some of the work is important. And some of that work which is different from erotica, and different from work that's age inappropriate for young people, I actually have acquired, because they are books that I would want and do want the children and the young people, age appropriate, mind you, to read, because they are important cautionary tales, and an important reference point for having discussions about what is going on in this society today.
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i of course publish some of. this and i; do because i think some of the work is important and some of that work which is different from erotica and different from work that's age inappropriate for young; people i actually have acquired because they are books that i would want and do want, the children and the young people age appropriate mind you to read because they are important cautionary tales and an important reference point for having. discussions about what is; going on in this society
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I of course, publish some of this and I do because I think some of the work is important And some of that. work which is. different from. erotica and different from work that's age inappropriate for young people I. actually have acquired because they are books that I would want and do want, the children and the, young people age appropriate mind you to read because they are. important cautionary tales and, an important reference point for having discussions about what is. going on in. this society
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i, of course, publish some of this, and i do because i think some of the work is important. and some of that work which is different from erotica, and different from work that's age inappropriate for young people, i actually have acquired, because they are books that i would want and do want the children and the young people, age appropriate, mind you, to read, because they are important cautionary tales, and an important reference point for having discussions about what is going on in this society today.
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How much do we know about the sales of these books? How much would a top street-lit book sell in terms of numbers of copies sold?
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how much do we know about the sales of these books? how much would a top street-lit book sell in terms of numbers of, copies
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How much do we know about the sales of these books? How much would a top street-lit, book sell in terms of numbers of copies.
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how much do we know about the sales of these books? how much would a top street-lit book sell in terms of numbers of copies sold?
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How much of the black book market does this represent? Do we know anything about that?
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how much of the black book market does this represent? do we know anything about
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How much of the black book market does, this represent? Do we know anything about,
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how much of the black book market does this represent? do we know anything about that?
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Yeah, we do because, and being an inquiring editor, Shannon Holmes, for example, I've published two of his novels. Bad Girls, for example, when I last checked, 111,000 copies. We published Sister Souljah's Coldest Winter Ever, which has now sold over a million copies in all of the editions, various editions. You know, and publishers don't have total control over what retailers do, and we're negotiating with them and nagging them all the time about balancing the placement of work.
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yeah we do because. and being an inquiring editor shannon holmes for example i've published two of his. novels bad girls for example when i last checked 111,000 copies we. published sister souljah's, coldest winter ever which has now sold over, a million copies in all of the, editions various editions you know and publishers don't have total control over what retailers do and we're negotiating with them and nagging them all the time about balancing. the placement of
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Yeah we do because and being an inquiring. editor Shannon Holmes for. example I've published. two of his novels Bad. Girls. for example when I last checked 111,000 copies We published Sister Souljah's Coldest Winter Ever which has now sold over a. million copies in all of the editions various editions You. know and publishers don't have total control over what retailers do and we're negotiating with them. and nagging them all the time about balancing the placement of
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yeah, we do because, and being an inquiring editor, shannon holmes, for example, i've published two of his novels. bad girls, for example, when i last checked, 111,000 copies. we published sister souljah's coldest winter ever, which has now sold over a million copies in all of the editions, various editions. you know, and publishers don't have total control over what retailers do, and we're negotiating with them and nagging them all the time about balancing the placement of work.
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You know, we want the literary work up front as we want other kinds of books. The other thing is it just so happens, publishers, we actually don't' spend more money in promoting urban lit and street lit, because we don't have to. The word of mouth is so tremendous, just like in the music industry, you know, you could put out an underground record, and it can make money, the same thing happens for us.
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you know we want, the literary work up front as we want other, kinds of books, the other thing is it just so happens publishers we actually don't' spend more money in, promoting urban lit and street lit because we don't have. to the, word of mouth is so tremendous just like in the music industry you know you could, put out an underground record and it can make money the same thing happens for
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You, know we want the literary work up front as we want other kinds of books The other thing is it just so happens, publishers we actually. don't' spend more money in promoting urban lit and street lit because we don't have to The word of mouth is so tremendous just like in the music industry you know you could put out an underground record, and. it can make money the. same thing happens for
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you know, we want the literary work up front as we want other kinds of books. the other thing is it just so happens, publishers, we actually don't' spend more money in promoting urban lit and street lit, because we don't have to. the word of mouth is so tremendous, just like in the music industry, you know, you could put out an underground record, and it can make money, the same thing happens for us.
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So, let me ask you this, Relentless, Malaika just mentioned that some of the street lit books have redemptive themes, or, you know, people who were going through things and who emerged triumphant on the other end, do you see yourself ever, in your books, writing about redemption in a way that actually could be teaching life's lessons, or is that just not the point of what you do?
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so let me ask you this, relentless malaika; just mentioned that, some of the street lit books have redemptive. themes or you, know people who. were going through things and who emerged triumphant on the other end do you see yourself ever in your books writing about redemption in a way that actually could be teaching life's lessons or is that just not the point of what you.
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So. let me ask you this Relentless Malaika just mentioned that some, of the street lit books have redemptive themes or you know people who were, going through things and who emerged triumphant on the other end do you see yourself ever in your books writing about redemption; in a. way that actually could be teaching life's lessons or. is that just, not the point of, what you
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so, let me ask you this, relentless, malaika just mentioned that some of the street lit books have redemptive themes, or, you know, people who were going through things and who emerged triumphant on the other end, do you see yourself ever, in your books, writing about redemption in a way that actually could be teaching life's lessons, or is that just not the point of what you do?
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No, but I actually do that. I actually do teach underneath the entertainment. I actually, I pride myself with broadening a person's awareness, you know, whether it's street politics or high-level politics. If people stretch their imaginations past the book covers, because, you know, we all know a shallow person judges a book by it's cover, we will be able to see the jewels within the books, and not pigeon-hole everyone, and if I wasn't a good writer, people wouldn't be flocking to me.
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no but i actually do that i actually do teach underneath the entertainment, i actually i pride myself with broadening a person's awareness you know whether it's street politics or. high-level politics if people stretch their imaginations past the book covers because you know we all know a shallow person judges a book by, it's cover. we will be able to see the jewels within the books and not pigeon-hole everyone, and if. i; wasn't a good writer. people wouldn't be flocking to.
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No but I actually do that I actually do teach underneath the entertainment I actually I pride myself with broadening a. person's, awareness you, know. whether it's street politics, or high-level politics If people stretch their. imaginations past the book covers because you know we all know a shallow person judges a book by it's cover we will be able to see the jewels. within the books, and not pigeon-hole everyone and if I wasn't a, good writer people wouldn't be flocking to
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no, but i actually do that. i actually do teach underneath the entertainment. i actually, i pride myself with broadening a person's awareness, you know, whether it's street politics or high-level politics. if people stretch their imaginations past the book covers, because, you know, we all know a shallow person judges a book by it's cover, we will be able to see the jewels within the books, and not pigeon-hole everyone, and if i wasn't a good writer, people wouldn't be flocking to me.
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