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o6feoy
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Can't for the life of me draw an ellipse I am ghosting, I tried varying speeds (I tried varying angles too although it doesn't really look like that) but once the pen hits the page it's as if my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. Should I still continue? https://i.imgur.com/siHeLT3.jpeg
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h2sgu9v
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h2udrhe
| 1,624,469,433 | 1,624,503,080 | 21 | 23 |
I used to be that way as well for a long time, I worked on it before doing draw a box. Anyways, elipses are incredibly hard. If you want, printing out some elipses and drawing over them (or using a drawing tablet) helped me a LOT. Even better are elipses templates but those are more expensive. Drawing them on a whiteboard or on a very large scale can help practice using your shoulder. These aren’t draw a box specific, but they are things that really helped me when I was working on this same issue. Also, don’t sweat it too much. Everything comes with practice
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>my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. r/BrandNewSentence
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o6feoy
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artfundamentals_train
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Can't for the life of me draw an ellipse I am ghosting, I tried varying speeds (I tried varying angles too although it doesn't really look like that) but once the pen hits the page it's as if my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. Should I still continue? https://i.imgur.com/siHeLT3.jpeg
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h2udrhe
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h2sftd3
| 1,624,503,080 | 1,624,468,981 | 23 | 15 |
>my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. r/BrandNewSentence
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The really tight, sudden turns and general unevenness are signs that suggest you might be drawing from your wrist, rather than using your whole arm while executing the marks - so that's definitely something to consider as the source of your woes.
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o6feoy
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artfundamentals_train
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Can't for the life of me draw an ellipse I am ghosting, I tried varying speeds (I tried varying angles too although it doesn't really look like that) but once the pen hits the page it's as if my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. Should I still continue? https://i.imgur.com/siHeLT3.jpeg
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h2t6to0
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h2udrhe
| 1,624,481,179 | 1,624,503,080 | 8 | 23 |
This might help. I draw this out sometimes when i need to warm up. After drawing it awhile, you start to get the feel and don't need to draw the box. http://douglasflynt.com/ellipses/circle_with_points_in_perspective.jpg
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>my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. r/BrandNewSentence
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o6feoy
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artfundamentals_train
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Can't for the life of me draw an ellipse I am ghosting, I tried varying speeds (I tried varying angles too although it doesn't really look like that) but once the pen hits the page it's as if my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. Should I still continue? https://i.imgur.com/siHeLT3.jpeg
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h2udrhe
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h2tbp8v
| 1,624,503,080 | 1,624,483,361 | 23 | 7 |
>my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. r/BrandNewSentence
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I have the same problem. Even when making sure I am drawing using my whole arm. But I have been attempting it on my ipad. Maybe changing the medium might be better for me. I am very surprised when people here share their immaculate homework.
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o6feoy
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artfundamentals_train
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Can't for the life of me draw an ellipse I am ghosting, I tried varying speeds (I tried varying angles too although it doesn't really look like that) but once the pen hits the page it's as if my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. Should I still continue? https://i.imgur.com/siHeLT3.jpeg
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h2tpzk6
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h2udrhe
| 1,624,490,473 | 1,624,503,080 | 3 | 23 |
Yeah me too, meh ends keep ending up sharp
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>my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. r/BrandNewSentence
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o6feoy
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artfundamentals_train
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Can't for the life of me draw an ellipse I am ghosting, I tried varying speeds (I tried varying angles too although it doesn't really look like that) but once the pen hits the page it's as if my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. Should I still continue? https://i.imgur.com/siHeLT3.jpeg
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h2sftd3
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h2sgu9v
| 1,624,468,981 | 1,624,469,433 | 15 | 21 |
The really tight, sudden turns and general unevenness are signs that suggest you might be drawing from your wrist, rather than using your whole arm while executing the marks - so that's definitely something to consider as the source of your woes.
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I used to be that way as well for a long time, I worked on it before doing draw a box. Anyways, elipses are incredibly hard. If you want, printing out some elipses and drawing over them (or using a drawing tablet) helped me a LOT. Even better are elipses templates but those are more expensive. Drawing them on a whiteboard or on a very large scale can help practice using your shoulder. These aren’t draw a box specific, but they are things that really helped me when I was working on this same issue. Also, don’t sweat it too much. Everything comes with practice
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o6feoy
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artfundamentals_train
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Can't for the life of me draw an ellipse I am ghosting, I tried varying speeds (I tried varying angles too although it doesn't really look like that) but once the pen hits the page it's as if my arm divorced the brain and became an alcoholic. Should I still continue? https://i.imgur.com/siHeLT3.jpeg
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h2tpzk6
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h2uh7ac
| 1,624,490,473 | 1,624,504,941 | 3 | 7 |
Yeah me too, meh ends keep ending up sharp
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Judging by your table of ellipses, I'd say you might benefit more from the Ellipses in Planes exercise - at least until you can reliably get confident, swooping circles. Once you can do that then it should be easier to add in the next step of trying to get the right shape. Drawing the planes should also help you improve your awareness of drawing from your shoulder.
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wuyq51
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artfundamentals_train
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How to choose the front of your box I'm working my way through the 250 box challenge, and am having problems understanding which is the front of the box, and often seem to shade in the wrong one. While rewatching the video for this, Uncomfortable just states that it would look funny if you chose the wrong box, but the one that he stated would be wrong looks like the right one to me. Can someone explain it a bit clearer to me please? If the link for the clip where he discusses this didn't work, it's https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxaILXR05WeS9eZ7XmAwXpyALStiJ1-YQP Thank you
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ilcbon9
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ilchb6n
| 1,661,187,007 | 1,661,189,159 | 1 | 12 |
**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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That one's entirely on me - my wording there was deeply confusing and unclear. I did not mean to say that there's one correct plane for adding hatching to. Rather, each box consists of three faces that point towards the viewer, and three faces that are oriented away from the viewer. We can pick any one of the three facing the viewer to fill with hatching, in order to distinguish between these two sets, and clarify which side is which.
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zibrag
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artfundamentals_train
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Should you work on other things in art? I was wondering if you work on other things like figure drawing and such while working on the drawabox course? Or will you burn out?
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izqjm1k
| 1,670,767,763 | 1,670,726,111 | 4 | 1 |
I would say burn out occurs mostly for fixing on a single exercise. With any creative discipline, I feel you need to actually be creative and have fun with it in order to maintain your psychological interest in it. I have played guitar for about 20 years now. I surely would have given up it the first 3 years were nothing but scale and timing process. So my advice is to try have fun with art in addition to these exercises.
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**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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zibrag
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artfundamentals_train
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Should you work on other things in art? I was wondering if you work on other things like figure drawing and such while working on the drawabox course? Or will you burn out?
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izttxt3
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izqjm1k
| 1,670,790,066 | 1,670,726,111 | 2 | 1 |
You are expected to draw things other than the lessons while following drawabox. Its called the 50% rule and its covered in lesson 0.
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**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
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What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2pa7xl
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i2l0ymi
| 1,648,639,713 | 1,648,572,067 | 11 | 10 |
Research shows that the best way to get good at something is through "deliberate practice". That is, you do something with a definite, useful goal in mind. Here, the goal is to make confident lines on paper. Over the couple of years I've been doing draw a box, I've seen my own pictures go from omg I'm mortified og anyone sees them, to little cartoons that look like legitimate drawings. My husband has been doing a different drawing course during the same time, and while he has also improve dramatically, my lines are way cleaner than his, and I draw them way more quickly. I do my "proper" drawings in pencil first, but still ghost each line, so I can see it on the paper before I draw it. Once it all looks right, I do the line work then colour. Also, because he draws on a tablet, his straight lines can indeed be perfectly straight... and they look really odd to me compared with the rest of the hand-drawn drawing. So, why learn to draw straight/curvy lines? Well, why learn anything? Because it's fun. And after you've been doing it for a while, it looks a bit impressive and you get to feel pleased with yourself.
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I believe the idea is to get used to being conscious of what you’re doing (the mark you’re about to make, the angle you’re holding the pen at, making sure you’re drawing from the shoulder) more than actually drawing the lines perfectly
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tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
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What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2lim9a
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i2pa7xl
| 1,648,578,772 | 1,648,639,713 | 9 | 11 |
Doesn't matter how they look. Its practice. Youre not trying to make a pretty picture.
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Research shows that the best way to get good at something is through "deliberate practice". That is, you do something with a definite, useful goal in mind. Here, the goal is to make confident lines on paper. Over the couple of years I've been doing draw a box, I've seen my own pictures go from omg I'm mortified og anyone sees them, to little cartoons that look like legitimate drawings. My husband has been doing a different drawing course during the same time, and while he has also improve dramatically, my lines are way cleaner than his, and I draw them way more quickly. I do my "proper" drawings in pencil first, but still ghost each line, so I can see it on the paper before I draw it. Once it all looks right, I do the line work then colour. Also, because he draws on a tablet, his straight lines can indeed be perfectly straight... and they look really odd to me compared with the rest of the hand-drawn drawing. So, why learn to draw straight/curvy lines? Well, why learn anything? Because it's fun. And after you've been doing it for a while, it looks a bit impressive and you get to feel pleased with yourself.
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tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
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What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2lupvb
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i2pa7xl
| 1,648,583,350 | 1,648,639,713 | 10 | 11 |
I don't think it's about getting as straight a line as possible -- it's about building muscle memory and confidence so that what is in your brain ends up being accurately represented on the page when it comes through your arm and your hand. Drawing is a physical act and you're literally training your body how to do it.
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Research shows that the best way to get good at something is through "deliberate practice". That is, you do something with a definite, useful goal in mind. Here, the goal is to make confident lines on paper. Over the couple of years I've been doing draw a box, I've seen my own pictures go from omg I'm mortified og anyone sees them, to little cartoons that look like legitimate drawings. My husband has been doing a different drawing course during the same time, and while he has also improve dramatically, my lines are way cleaner than his, and I draw them way more quickly. I do my "proper" drawings in pencil first, but still ghost each line, so I can see it on the paper before I draw it. Once it all looks right, I do the line work then colour. Also, because he draws on a tablet, his straight lines can indeed be perfectly straight... and they look really odd to me compared with the rest of the hand-drawn drawing. So, why learn to draw straight/curvy lines? Well, why learn anything? Because it's fun. And after you've been doing it for a while, it looks a bit impressive and you get to feel pleased with yourself.
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tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
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What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2pa7xl
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i2p652w
| 1,648,639,713 | 1,648,636,901 | 11 | 9 |
Research shows that the best way to get good at something is through "deliberate practice". That is, you do something with a definite, useful goal in mind. Here, the goal is to make confident lines on paper. Over the couple of years I've been doing draw a box, I've seen my own pictures go from omg I'm mortified og anyone sees them, to little cartoons that look like legitimate drawings. My husband has been doing a different drawing course during the same time, and while he has also improve dramatically, my lines are way cleaner than his, and I draw them way more quickly. I do my "proper" drawings in pencil first, but still ghost each line, so I can see it on the paper before I draw it. Once it all looks right, I do the line work then colour. Also, because he draws on a tablet, his straight lines can indeed be perfectly straight... and they look really odd to me compared with the rest of the hand-drawn drawing. So, why learn to draw straight/curvy lines? Well, why learn anything? Because it's fun. And after you've been doing it for a while, it looks a bit impressive and you get to feel pleased with yourself.
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>It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead. After a while of practicing, you don't need to take the time to line up a ruler and you can instantly draw a perfectly straight line with one stroke. That's neither convoluted, more time, *or* worse results. You just need to practice until you get it right.
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tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
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What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2pa7xl
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i2m6soq
| 1,648,639,713 | 1,648,587,897 | 11 | 9 |
Research shows that the best way to get good at something is through "deliberate practice". That is, you do something with a definite, useful goal in mind. Here, the goal is to make confident lines on paper. Over the couple of years I've been doing draw a box, I've seen my own pictures go from omg I'm mortified og anyone sees them, to little cartoons that look like legitimate drawings. My husband has been doing a different drawing course during the same time, and while he has also improve dramatically, my lines are way cleaner than his, and I draw them way more quickly. I do my "proper" drawings in pencil first, but still ghost each line, so I can see it on the paper before I draw it. Once it all looks right, I do the line work then colour. Also, because he draws on a tablet, his straight lines can indeed be perfectly straight... and they look really odd to me compared with the rest of the hand-drawn drawing. So, why learn to draw straight/curvy lines? Well, why learn anything? Because it's fun. And after you've been doing it for a while, it looks a bit impressive and you get to feel pleased with yourself.
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I'm going to hijack this thread and ask another question as well, how often should you be practicing lines, and when would you know to move on to the next thing topic for Drawabox? Or should one just continue to practice while moving on to the next lesson? Just curious about that and all.
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tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
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What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2pa7xl
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i2l71d6
| 1,648,639,713 | 1,648,574,364 | 11 | 7 |
Research shows that the best way to get good at something is through "deliberate practice". That is, you do something with a definite, useful goal in mind. Here, the goal is to make confident lines on paper. Over the couple of years I've been doing draw a box, I've seen my own pictures go from omg I'm mortified og anyone sees them, to little cartoons that look like legitimate drawings. My husband has been doing a different drawing course during the same time, and while he has also improve dramatically, my lines are way cleaner than his, and I draw them way more quickly. I do my "proper" drawings in pencil first, but still ghost each line, so I can see it on the paper before I draw it. Once it all looks right, I do the line work then colour. Also, because he draws on a tablet, his straight lines can indeed be perfectly straight... and they look really odd to me compared with the rest of the hand-drawn drawing. So, why learn to draw straight/curvy lines? Well, why learn anything? Because it's fun. And after you've been doing it for a while, it looks a bit impressive and you get to feel pleased with yourself.
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If your lines are wobbly then you might just be drawing your line a little too slowly. You should be drawing it fast enough to not give your mind any opportunities to try to correct it, because that’s what causes wobbling. Yeah, it might end up inaccurate, but accuracy takes second priority to smoothness. Drawing through your ellipses at least twice is something you are supposed to do. If they’re not lined up with each other, you’ll eventually get better with practice. I know from experience that after you draw something over and over again, you build up tiny little strategies in your mind that combine together and help a lot. And why are you drawing straight lines? Because it’s a good skill to have. Once you get the hang of it you’ll find it faster than using a ruler, though a ruler is probably the way to go in the event you’re doing some kind of technical drawing/math/graph or something… Anyway, drawing straight lines is important for this course because of all the boxes you’re inevitably gonna draw. And the boxes themselves and everything else, really, will give you plenty of practice to work on it.
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tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
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What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2m2by9
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i2pa7xl
| 1,648,586,247 | 1,648,639,713 | 5 | 11 |
You’re either going too slow or rushing the pace of your lines, so find the happy medium. Also you probably just started drawing altogether, so your muscle memory doesn’t exist yet. Just keep practicing, I’ve been drawing for years and my lines can miss sometimes. The ghosting method is to help you focus on where you want your lines to land and hit. Doing this method will give you better line quality and make your drawings look more solid. Try to trust the process :) and try to avoid doubt. Industry professionals who’ve I studied under STILL ghost their lines when doing demos. So it’s not only beginners doing this, but artists who’ve been drawing for decades. Reread the lessons and watch the videos if you’re still confused. One time is not enough.
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Research shows that the best way to get good at something is through "deliberate practice". That is, you do something with a definite, useful goal in mind. Here, the goal is to make confident lines on paper. Over the couple of years I've been doing draw a box, I've seen my own pictures go from omg I'm mortified og anyone sees them, to little cartoons that look like legitimate drawings. My husband has been doing a different drawing course during the same time, and while he has also improve dramatically, my lines are way cleaner than his, and I draw them way more quickly. I do my "proper" drawings in pencil first, but still ghost each line, so I can see it on the paper before I draw it. Once it all looks right, I do the line work then colour. Also, because he draws on a tablet, his straight lines can indeed be perfectly straight... and they look really odd to me compared with the rest of the hand-drawn drawing. So, why learn to draw straight/curvy lines? Well, why learn anything? Because it's fun. And after you've been doing it for a while, it looks a bit impressive and you get to feel pleased with yourself.
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tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
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What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2lv840
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i2pa7xl
| 1,648,583,542 | 1,648,639,713 | 5 | 11 |
The point of the ghosting method is to have clean linework, know what types of marks are being put on to page (basically mark making), and to develop muscle memory when drawing. At first I thought the ghosting method wasn’t necessary but as I continue to draw and do the exercises, it ALL makes sense and it’s even helpful in making my ellipses more cleaner. In all honesty, outside of DrawABox you can draw with a ruler if you like ofc but in my opinion, I feel like if you heavily rely on a ruler to make lines it won’t help you with your linework on freehand. If anything, I feel like rulers are pretty time consuming. It’s better to learn how to make smoother lines or just smoother marks in general rather than heavily relying on an object that doesn’t give you self-confidence in linework. The point of making the lines is to have a constant pace and the more constant and concentrated/confident you are, the more smoother the line is. These lessons are to help you build confidence in drawing which is why it is heavily demanded to use a fineliner rather than a pencil to draw. My biggest tip to you is to don’t imitate the movement of the person in the tutorial doing the ghosting method. Reason why is that I noticed whenever I was drawing ellipses to even lines with the ghosting method, I was imitating the person’s fast-paced movement rather than focusing on my own movement which was the reason why I found the ghosting method hard. As I continuously did the ghosting method BUT in my OWN pace I started getting faster and better at it. Do it in a steady but slow pace, just concentrate and don’t hesitate. Your confidence and pace will build up as you go. You got this! :)
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Research shows that the best way to get good at something is through "deliberate practice". That is, you do something with a definite, useful goal in mind. Here, the goal is to make confident lines on paper. Over the couple of years I've been doing draw a box, I've seen my own pictures go from omg I'm mortified og anyone sees them, to little cartoons that look like legitimate drawings. My husband has been doing a different drawing course during the same time, and while he has also improve dramatically, my lines are way cleaner than his, and I draw them way more quickly. I do my "proper" drawings in pencil first, but still ghost each line, so I can see it on the paper before I draw it. Once it all looks right, I do the line work then colour. Also, because he draws on a tablet, his straight lines can indeed be perfectly straight... and they look really odd to me compared with the rest of the hand-drawn drawing. So, why learn to draw straight/curvy lines? Well, why learn anything? Because it's fun. And after you've been doing it for a while, it looks a bit impressive and you get to feel pleased with yourself.
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tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
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What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2otez6
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i2pa7xl
| 1,648,626,065 | 1,648,639,713 | 3 | 11 |
Some things that helped me: Additional practice; taking each line a bit slower; reminding myself to let the shoulder do the driving- you will get more consistent lines this way; moving my sight with my hand, so the line is always squarely in focus and you see the approaching dot. The point of this is to have drawing lines feel natural to you. You won't get that with a ruler.
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Research shows that the best way to get good at something is through "deliberate practice". That is, you do something with a definite, useful goal in mind. Here, the goal is to make confident lines on paper. Over the couple of years I've been doing draw a box, I've seen my own pictures go from omg I'm mortified og anyone sees them, to little cartoons that look like legitimate drawings. My husband has been doing a different drawing course during the same time, and while he has also improve dramatically, my lines are way cleaner than his, and I draw them way more quickly. I do my "proper" drawings in pencil first, but still ghost each line, so I can see it on the paper before I draw it. Once it all looks right, I do the line work then colour. Also, because he draws on a tablet, his straight lines can indeed be perfectly straight... and they look really odd to me compared with the rest of the hand-drawn drawing. So, why learn to draw straight/curvy lines? Well, why learn anything? Because it's fun. And after you've been doing it for a while, it looks a bit impressive and you get to feel pleased with yourself.
| 0 | 13,648 | 3.666667 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2lim9a
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i2lupvb
| 1,648,578,772 | 1,648,583,350 | 9 | 10 |
Doesn't matter how they look. Its practice. Youre not trying to make a pretty picture.
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I don't think it's about getting as straight a line as possible -- it's about building muscle memory and confidence so that what is in your brain ends up being accurately represented on the page when it comes through your arm and your hand. Drawing is a physical act and you're literally training your body how to do it.
| 0 | 4,578 | 1.111111 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2l71d6
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i2lim9a
| 1,648,574,364 | 1,648,578,772 | 7 | 9 |
If your lines are wobbly then you might just be drawing your line a little too slowly. You should be drawing it fast enough to not give your mind any opportunities to try to correct it, because that’s what causes wobbling. Yeah, it might end up inaccurate, but accuracy takes second priority to smoothness. Drawing through your ellipses at least twice is something you are supposed to do. If they’re not lined up with each other, you’ll eventually get better with practice. I know from experience that after you draw something over and over again, you build up tiny little strategies in your mind that combine together and help a lot. And why are you drawing straight lines? Because it’s a good skill to have. Once you get the hang of it you’ll find it faster than using a ruler, though a ruler is probably the way to go in the event you’re doing some kind of technical drawing/math/graph or something… Anyway, drawing straight lines is important for this course because of all the boxes you’re inevitably gonna draw. And the boxes themselves and everything else, really, will give you plenty of practice to work on it.
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Doesn't matter how they look. Its practice. Youre not trying to make a pretty picture.
| 0 | 4,408 | 1.285714 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2l71d6
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i2lupvb
| 1,648,574,364 | 1,648,583,350 | 7 | 10 |
If your lines are wobbly then you might just be drawing your line a little too slowly. You should be drawing it fast enough to not give your mind any opportunities to try to correct it, because that’s what causes wobbling. Yeah, it might end up inaccurate, but accuracy takes second priority to smoothness. Drawing through your ellipses at least twice is something you are supposed to do. If they’re not lined up with each other, you’ll eventually get better with practice. I know from experience that after you draw something over and over again, you build up tiny little strategies in your mind that combine together and help a lot. And why are you drawing straight lines? Because it’s a good skill to have. Once you get the hang of it you’ll find it faster than using a ruler, though a ruler is probably the way to go in the event you’re doing some kind of technical drawing/math/graph or something… Anyway, drawing straight lines is important for this course because of all the boxes you’re inevitably gonna draw. And the boxes themselves and everything else, really, will give you plenty of practice to work on it.
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I don't think it's about getting as straight a line as possible -- it's about building muscle memory and confidence so that what is in your brain ends up being accurately represented on the page when it comes through your arm and your hand. Drawing is a physical act and you're literally training your body how to do it.
| 0 | 8,986 | 1.428571 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2l71d6
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i2p652w
| 1,648,574,364 | 1,648,636,901 | 7 | 9 |
If your lines are wobbly then you might just be drawing your line a little too slowly. You should be drawing it fast enough to not give your mind any opportunities to try to correct it, because that’s what causes wobbling. Yeah, it might end up inaccurate, but accuracy takes second priority to smoothness. Drawing through your ellipses at least twice is something you are supposed to do. If they’re not lined up with each other, you’ll eventually get better with practice. I know from experience that after you draw something over and over again, you build up tiny little strategies in your mind that combine together and help a lot. And why are you drawing straight lines? Because it’s a good skill to have. Once you get the hang of it you’ll find it faster than using a ruler, though a ruler is probably the way to go in the event you’re doing some kind of technical drawing/math/graph or something… Anyway, drawing straight lines is important for this course because of all the boxes you’re inevitably gonna draw. And the boxes themselves and everything else, really, will give you plenty of practice to work on it.
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>It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead. After a while of practicing, you don't need to take the time to line up a ruler and you can instantly draw a perfectly straight line with one stroke. That's neither convoluted, more time, *or* worse results. You just need to practice until you get it right.
| 0 | 62,537 | 1.285714 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2m2by9
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i2p652w
| 1,648,586,247 | 1,648,636,901 | 5 | 9 |
You’re either going too slow or rushing the pace of your lines, so find the happy medium. Also you probably just started drawing altogether, so your muscle memory doesn’t exist yet. Just keep practicing, I’ve been drawing for years and my lines can miss sometimes. The ghosting method is to help you focus on where you want your lines to land and hit. Doing this method will give you better line quality and make your drawings look more solid. Try to trust the process :) and try to avoid doubt. Industry professionals who’ve I studied under STILL ghost their lines when doing demos. So it’s not only beginners doing this, but artists who’ve been drawing for decades. Reread the lessons and watch the videos if you’re still confused. One time is not enough.
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>It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead. After a while of practicing, you don't need to take the time to line up a ruler and you can instantly draw a perfectly straight line with one stroke. That's neither convoluted, more time, *or* worse results. You just need to practice until you get it right.
| 0 | 50,654 | 1.8 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2lv840
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i2p652w
| 1,648,583,542 | 1,648,636,901 | 5 | 9 |
The point of the ghosting method is to have clean linework, know what types of marks are being put on to page (basically mark making), and to develop muscle memory when drawing. At first I thought the ghosting method wasn’t necessary but as I continue to draw and do the exercises, it ALL makes sense and it’s even helpful in making my ellipses more cleaner. In all honesty, outside of DrawABox you can draw with a ruler if you like ofc but in my opinion, I feel like if you heavily rely on a ruler to make lines it won’t help you with your linework on freehand. If anything, I feel like rulers are pretty time consuming. It’s better to learn how to make smoother lines or just smoother marks in general rather than heavily relying on an object that doesn’t give you self-confidence in linework. The point of making the lines is to have a constant pace and the more constant and concentrated/confident you are, the more smoother the line is. These lessons are to help you build confidence in drawing which is why it is heavily demanded to use a fineliner rather than a pencil to draw. My biggest tip to you is to don’t imitate the movement of the person in the tutorial doing the ghosting method. Reason why is that I noticed whenever I was drawing ellipses to even lines with the ghosting method, I was imitating the person’s fast-paced movement rather than focusing on my own movement which was the reason why I found the ghosting method hard. As I continuously did the ghosting method BUT in my OWN pace I started getting faster and better at it. Do it in a steady but slow pace, just concentrate and don’t hesitate. Your confidence and pace will build up as you go. You got this! :)
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>It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead. After a while of practicing, you don't need to take the time to line up a ruler and you can instantly draw a perfectly straight line with one stroke. That's neither convoluted, more time, *or* worse results. You just need to practice until you get it right.
| 0 | 53,359 | 1.8 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2otez6
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i2p652w
| 1,648,626,065 | 1,648,636,901 | 3 | 9 |
Some things that helped me: Additional practice; taking each line a bit slower; reminding myself to let the shoulder do the driving- you will get more consistent lines this way; moving my sight with my hand, so the line is always squarely in focus and you see the approaching dot. The point of this is to have drawing lines feel natural to you. You won't get that with a ruler.
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>It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead. After a while of practicing, you don't need to take the time to line up a ruler and you can instantly draw a perfectly straight line with one stroke. That's neither convoluted, more time, *or* worse results. You just need to practice until you get it right.
| 0 | 10,836 | 3 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2l71d6
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i2m6soq
| 1,648,574,364 | 1,648,587,897 | 7 | 9 |
If your lines are wobbly then you might just be drawing your line a little too slowly. You should be drawing it fast enough to not give your mind any opportunities to try to correct it, because that’s what causes wobbling. Yeah, it might end up inaccurate, but accuracy takes second priority to smoothness. Drawing through your ellipses at least twice is something you are supposed to do. If they’re not lined up with each other, you’ll eventually get better with practice. I know from experience that after you draw something over and over again, you build up tiny little strategies in your mind that combine together and help a lot. And why are you drawing straight lines? Because it’s a good skill to have. Once you get the hang of it you’ll find it faster than using a ruler, though a ruler is probably the way to go in the event you’re doing some kind of technical drawing/math/graph or something… Anyway, drawing straight lines is important for this course because of all the boxes you’re inevitably gonna draw. And the boxes themselves and everything else, really, will give you plenty of practice to work on it.
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I'm going to hijack this thread and ask another question as well, how often should you be practicing lines, and when would you know to move on to the next thing topic for Drawabox? Or should one just continue to practice while moving on to the next lesson? Just curious about that and all.
| 0 | 13,533 | 1.285714 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2m6soq
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i2m2by9
| 1,648,587,897 | 1,648,586,247 | 9 | 5 |
I'm going to hijack this thread and ask another question as well, how often should you be practicing lines, and when would you know to move on to the next thing topic for Drawabox? Or should one just continue to practice while moving on to the next lesson? Just curious about that and all.
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You’re either going too slow or rushing the pace of your lines, so find the happy medium. Also you probably just started drawing altogether, so your muscle memory doesn’t exist yet. Just keep practicing, I’ve been drawing for years and my lines can miss sometimes. The ghosting method is to help you focus on where you want your lines to land and hit. Doing this method will give you better line quality and make your drawings look more solid. Try to trust the process :) and try to avoid doubt. Industry professionals who’ve I studied under STILL ghost their lines when doing demos. So it’s not only beginners doing this, but artists who’ve been drawing for decades. Reread the lessons and watch the videos if you’re still confused. One time is not enough.
| 1 | 1,650 | 1.8 | ||
tr5ayw
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.9 |
What is the point of the ghosting method? Whenever I try the ghosting method my lines come out weirdly angled and wobbly. And whenever I use the ghosting method for circles I have to go round twice which leaves me with 2 circles just not in the same place. I'd understand if it took a while to master it but even the guy doing the tutorials can't seem to get it right consistently. It just seems weird to not use a ruler to draw straight lines and instead use some convoluted method that takes longer and produces worse results instead.
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i2lv840
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i2m6soq
| 1,648,583,542 | 1,648,587,897 | 5 | 9 |
The point of the ghosting method is to have clean linework, know what types of marks are being put on to page (basically mark making), and to develop muscle memory when drawing. At first I thought the ghosting method wasn’t necessary but as I continue to draw and do the exercises, it ALL makes sense and it’s even helpful in making my ellipses more cleaner. In all honesty, outside of DrawABox you can draw with a ruler if you like ofc but in my opinion, I feel like if you heavily rely on a ruler to make lines it won’t help you with your linework on freehand. If anything, I feel like rulers are pretty time consuming. It’s better to learn how to make smoother lines or just smoother marks in general rather than heavily relying on an object that doesn’t give you self-confidence in linework. The point of making the lines is to have a constant pace and the more constant and concentrated/confident you are, the more smoother the line is. These lessons are to help you build confidence in drawing which is why it is heavily demanded to use a fineliner rather than a pencil to draw. My biggest tip to you is to don’t imitate the movement of the person in the tutorial doing the ghosting method. Reason why is that I noticed whenever I was drawing ellipses to even lines with the ghosting method, I was imitating the person’s fast-paced movement rather than focusing on my own movement which was the reason why I found the ghosting method hard. As I continuously did the ghosting method BUT in my OWN pace I started getting faster and better at it. Do it in a steady but slow pace, just concentrate and don’t hesitate. Your confidence and pace will build up as you go. You got this! :)
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I'm going to hijack this thread and ask another question as well, how often should you be practicing lines, and when would you know to move on to the next thing topic for Drawabox? Or should one just continue to practice while moving on to the next lesson? Just curious about that and all.
| 0 | 4,355 | 1.8 | ||
fa2o1l
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artfundamentals_train
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why are my straight lines curving? so i have a problem, whenever i try to pull a line a cross the page i get a slight curve. i'm drawing with my shoulder and it doesn't happen with shorter lines, just the long lines. is it normal or am i doing something wrong?
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fivhmmt
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fivnz28
| 1,582,760,460 | 1,582,764,252 | 3 | 9 |
This issue is not uncommon, and is addressed here.
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A small tip you may already know - don't look at your pen as you draw. Look at where the end point of the line will be. Game changer, I swear.
| 0 | 3,792 | 3 | ||
fa2o1l
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
why are my straight lines curving? so i have a problem, whenever i try to pull a line a cross the page i get a slight curve. i'm drawing with my shoulder and it doesn't happen with shorter lines, just the long lines. is it normal or am i doing something wrong?
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fix6pq0
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fixasj2
| 1,582,813,970 | 1,582,816,598 | 1 | 3 |
Try drawing the line vertically rather than horizontally.
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Its mostly practice. The other is you could just not be drawing from the shoulder but a place that is more comfortable. Like i did shorter lines with the wrist and kept saying i'm not. Once i braced my wrist i found out i was. Now my issue is my elbow but is hasn't 100% hurt me as I can still do longer lines decently. But mainly just practice!
| 0 | 2,628 | 3 | ||
ink5pk
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artfundamentals_train
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I'm having lots of trouble making my lines straight. Here are some samples: https://imgur.com/a/jgnojy2 The first image is the ghosted planes exercise, then the second image is me trying out some ghosted lines at various speeds. The top line is the slowest, I basically drew that at what I thought was a moderate speed. The bottom line is the fastest - it was fast enough to be uncomfortable to draw. I'm also using a ball point pen (no fineliners yet) on regular printer paper. It seems that no matter what I do, I can't make my lines straight. I've been making sure my wrist and elbow are locked, as well as trying to hold the pen in various positions as well as trying different levels of pressure. Does anyone have any advice?
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g4a6u2p
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g48gc1x
| 1,599,437,200 | 1,599,403,432 | 2 | 0 |
I would try just doing some more ghosted lines to get the feeling down in your shoulder when you’re doing it right. Wobble happens to me when I depend too much on my wrist or elbow. Also keep in mind that you might have to move your elbow just a little to keep the line straight. Look at the lesson on drawing from your shoulder. It’s extremely important and will make it less frustrating. I’m not saying you’ll land perfect lines, but it gets easier and your lines will get more confident the more you do them. Lastly, get fine liners when you’re able. The fine liners are a little more forgiving because it’s a slightly wider line. https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/3/shoulder
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Find an anchor and i recommend resting your hand on the paper ghost your lines properly (don't half-ass it lmao) for that length of lines i think ghosting with your elbow is good
| 1 | 33,768 | 2,000 | ||
e82ckp
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artfundamentals_train
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I can't keep undershooting/overshooting my lines. Any tips? I have been working on the ghosted planes for the past few days and I keep getting frustrated with myself because I either undershoot my points or go couple centimeters past my points. Do you have any experience with this and advice on how I should be dealing with this?
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fad2e5h
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fa8xwjo
| 1,575,953,224 | 1,575,857,411 | 4 | 3 |
Another tip would be to not grind ghosted planes to the point of frustration. Move on with the next exercise in the lesson. At the end of lesson 1 you can post your full lesson submission here or on discord and people can give you feedback. By the time you move onto and complete the 250 box challenge you will get so much practice with ghosted lines that you will naturally improve. Not hitting your points perfectly at the beginning is expected. The key at this stage is confident, smooth marks more than precision. Precision comes with practice and 250 boxes will be a good bit of practice! Also, it's recommended to do the early exercises like superimposed lines, ghosted planes, and ellipses as warmups before whatever lesson you're planning on working on for the day. That will also help you get reps in.
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Have you tried varying your speed? One thing that works sometimes is to fix your focus on the target, ignoring your pen once you put it down to paper. Not an expert so Your mileage may vary.
| 1 | 95,813 | 1.333333 | ||
v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iavcgx5
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iat7cek
| 1,654,140,075 | 1,654,105,214 | 9 | 3 |
I have a benign tremor as well and I'm a career artist in animation. It absolutely got better for me over time once I built up that muscle memory. I still need to fire up the stabilization when doing line art but those things are tools and not something to be looked at as "cheating". Keep it up!
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Like any exercise, you will build strength over time. This does mean that your arm will get stronger and less tired as you practice working with your shoulder. Your tremor will probably never be eliminated, but with practice you will likely find ways that you can work that will minimize its impact on your work, just like working to overcome any other obstacle.
| 1 | 34,861 | 3 | ||
v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iavcgx5
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iauv8jf
| 1,654,140,075 | 1,654,131,468 | 9 | 3 |
I have a benign tremor as well and I'm a career artist in animation. It absolutely got better for me over time once I built up that muscle memory. I still need to fire up the stabilization when doing line art but those things are tools and not something to be looked at as "cheating". Keep it up!
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Yeah, your arm will get stronger and the connection between it and your brain will become less awkward. For straight lines, sometimes drawing a bit faster can help. You are relying on the physics of momentum to outweigh the effect of the tremor then maybe? Of course, with practice lines will get straighter too though.
| 1 | 8,607 | 3 | ||
v2kfki
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iavcgx5
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iav1lyl
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I have a benign tremor as well and I'm a career artist in animation. It absolutely got better for me over time once I built up that muscle memory. I still need to fire up the stabilization when doing line art but those things are tools and not something to be looked at as "cheating". Keep it up!
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I'm not too far into drawabox, but I can say as someone who's had wobbly lines, hairy lines, drawn from my wrist all my life, that my lines have definitely improved. It does take time and practice, but it's also situational what each person need to focus on to get better lines. Sometimes I'll start practicing and feel weak in my arm and remember that I should probably eat or drink before practicing. It can also depend on your desk set up and posture. It also just takes times to figure out what angle feels the most comfortable to draw the line from, and at what speed. Just be conscious of how your body's feeling and what angles/speed feels most natural. I'm currently practicing 250 boxes, and I'd say some of my lines already look like they were drawn with a ruler, so it definitely can get better!
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iaune83
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iavcgx5
| 1,654,127,791 | 1,654,140,075 | 1 | 9 |
Control your breathing like a sniper. Look it up.
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I have a benign tremor as well and I'm a career artist in animation. It absolutely got better for me over time once I built up that muscle memory. I still need to fire up the stabilization when doing line art but those things are tools and not something to be looked at as "cheating". Keep it up!
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iavexro
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iat7cek
| 1,654,141,461 | 1,654,105,214 | 9 | 3 |
A buddy told me to have a glass of wine while you work, and he’s a career illustrator/artist so…
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Like any exercise, you will build strength over time. This does mean that your arm will get stronger and less tired as you practice working with your shoulder. Your tremor will probably never be eliminated, but with practice you will likely find ways that you can work that will minimize its impact on your work, just like working to overcome any other obstacle.
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iavexro
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iauv8jf
| 1,654,141,461 | 1,654,131,468 | 9 | 3 |
A buddy told me to have a glass of wine while you work, and he’s a career illustrator/artist so…
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Yeah, your arm will get stronger and the connection between it and your brain will become less awkward. For straight lines, sometimes drawing a bit faster can help. You are relying on the physics of momentum to outweigh the effect of the tremor then maybe? Of course, with practice lines will get straighter too though.
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iavexro
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iav1lyl
| 1,654,141,461 | 1,654,134,531 | 9 | 3 |
A buddy told me to have a glass of wine while you work, and he’s a career illustrator/artist so…
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I'm not too far into drawabox, but I can say as someone who's had wobbly lines, hairy lines, drawn from my wrist all my life, that my lines have definitely improved. It does take time and practice, but it's also situational what each person need to focus on to get better lines. Sometimes I'll start practicing and feel weak in my arm and remember that I should probably eat or drink before practicing. It can also depend on your desk set up and posture. It also just takes times to figure out what angle feels the most comfortable to draw the line from, and at what speed. Just be conscious of how your body's feeling and what angles/speed feels most natural. I'm currently practicing 250 boxes, and I'd say some of my lines already look like they were drawn with a ruler, so it definitely can get better!
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iaune83
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iavexro
| 1,654,127,791 | 1,654,141,461 | 1 | 9 |
Control your breathing like a sniper. Look it up.
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A buddy told me to have a glass of wine while you work, and he’s a career illustrator/artist so…
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iat7cek
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iaw726y
| 1,654,105,214 | 1,654,163,408 | 3 | 7 |
Like any exercise, you will build strength over time. This does mean that your arm will get stronger and less tired as you practice working with your shoulder. Your tremor will probably never be eliminated, but with practice you will likely find ways that you can work that will minimize its impact on your work, just like working to overcome any other obstacle.
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I have a benign tremor too and drawing with proper technique helps a lot. I think practicing proper technique is actually more important for us than others. Admittedly my line art still isn't *good,* but I've yet to stop improving. Not sure if yours is exactly the same, but the way my doctor explained benign tremor to me was that everyone has some degree of shakiness and I'm just at one extreme end of that spectrum. Like being really tall or short without gigantism or dwarfism. This means the techniques and exercises most people use to get smooth lines are actually designed specifically to address a benign tremor, even if it's not usually so bad.
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iaw726y
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iauv8jf
| 1,654,163,408 | 1,654,131,468 | 7 | 3 |
I have a benign tremor too and drawing with proper technique helps a lot. I think practicing proper technique is actually more important for us than others. Admittedly my line art still isn't *good,* but I've yet to stop improving. Not sure if yours is exactly the same, but the way my doctor explained benign tremor to me was that everyone has some degree of shakiness and I'm just at one extreme end of that spectrum. Like being really tall or short without gigantism or dwarfism. This means the techniques and exercises most people use to get smooth lines are actually designed specifically to address a benign tremor, even if it's not usually so bad.
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Yeah, your arm will get stronger and the connection between it and your brain will become less awkward. For straight lines, sometimes drawing a bit faster can help. You are relying on the physics of momentum to outweigh the effect of the tremor then maybe? Of course, with practice lines will get straighter too though.
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iav1lyl
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iaw726y
| 1,654,134,531 | 1,654,163,408 | 3 | 7 |
I'm not too far into drawabox, but I can say as someone who's had wobbly lines, hairy lines, drawn from my wrist all my life, that my lines have definitely improved. It does take time and practice, but it's also situational what each person need to focus on to get better lines. Sometimes I'll start practicing and feel weak in my arm and remember that I should probably eat or drink before practicing. It can also depend on your desk set up and posture. It also just takes times to figure out what angle feels the most comfortable to draw the line from, and at what speed. Just be conscious of how your body's feeling and what angles/speed feels most natural. I'm currently practicing 250 boxes, and I'd say some of my lines already look like they were drawn with a ruler, so it definitely can get better!
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I have a benign tremor too and drawing with proper technique helps a lot. I think practicing proper technique is actually more important for us than others. Admittedly my line art still isn't *good,* but I've yet to stop improving. Not sure if yours is exactly the same, but the way my doctor explained benign tremor to me was that everyone has some degree of shakiness and I'm just at one extreme end of that spectrum. Like being really tall or short without gigantism or dwarfism. This means the techniques and exercises most people use to get smooth lines are actually designed specifically to address a benign tremor, even if it's not usually so bad.
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iaune83
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iaw726y
| 1,654,127,791 | 1,654,163,408 | 1 | 7 |
Control your breathing like a sniper. Look it up.
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I have a benign tremor too and drawing with proper technique helps a lot. I think practicing proper technique is actually more important for us than others. Admittedly my line art still isn't *good,* but I've yet to stop improving. Not sure if yours is exactly the same, but the way my doctor explained benign tremor to me was that everyone has some degree of shakiness and I'm just at one extreme end of that spectrum. Like being really tall or short without gigantism or dwarfism. This means the techniques and exercises most people use to get smooth lines are actually designed specifically to address a benign tremor, even if it's not usually so bad.
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iauv8jf
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iaune83
| 1,654,131,468 | 1,654,127,791 | 3 | 1 |
Yeah, your arm will get stronger and the connection between it and your brain will become less awkward. For straight lines, sometimes drawing a bit faster can help. You are relying on the physics of momentum to outweigh the effect of the tremor then maybe? Of course, with practice lines will get straighter too though.
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Control your breathing like a sniper. Look it up.
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iav1lyl
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iaune83
| 1,654,134,531 | 1,654,127,791 | 3 | 1 |
I'm not too far into drawabox, but I can say as someone who's had wobbly lines, hairy lines, drawn from my wrist all my life, that my lines have definitely improved. It does take time and practice, but it's also situational what each person need to focus on to get better lines. Sometimes I'll start practicing and feel weak in my arm and remember that I should probably eat or drink before practicing. It can also depend on your desk set up and posture. It also just takes times to figure out what angle feels the most comfortable to draw the line from, and at what speed. Just be conscious of how your body's feeling and what angles/speed feels most natural. I'm currently practicing 250 boxes, and I'd say some of my lines already look like they were drawn with a ruler, so it definitely can get better!
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Control your breathing like a sniper. Look it up.
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v2kfki
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artfundamentals_train
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do your hands get steadier? I've always had a benign tremor. It's fine. I've learned to just have wobbly lines and that's ok with me. Doing the exercise with connecting points, I can get some straight(ish) lines, but it's still pretty rough. Anybody here in the same boat? PS- also, does your arm get stronger? I've always drawn from the wrist, practicing this my arm feels like lead.
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iaune83
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iawy4v8
| 1,654,127,791 | 1,654,179,679 | 1 | 2 |
Control your breathing like a sniper. Look it up.
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With age my tremors worsen - but with practice my drawing and other art skills only improve. It's about knowing your body and how to calm yourself between strokes etc. I don't know whether it's me finding ways to mitigate the tremors or if I'm subsiding them between gestures... Either way I will always battle my shaky hands so I definitely employ tools like predictive lines and smoothing, it's like using a French curve because you can't freeform draw a specific arch - just another tool!
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Should I do one homework per day? I want to consistently do drawabox but is one homework per day with 10 minutes of warm-ups too little work? What pace did you go at?
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**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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If you want to be consistent then start small. Its a free course, theres no semester deadlines or anything. Before i finished the lessons, i would do lots of hw for a couple of days, finish the lesson, take a long break, come back, and rinse and repeat. It took me about a year to finish every lesson, but honestly it didnt need to. Build the habit of studying by doing a little bit each day and then when you want to do more, you just increase the workload slowly.
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Should I do one homework per day? I want to consistently do drawabox but is one homework per day with 10 minutes of warm-ups too little work? What pace did you go at?
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iq9rc2w
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iql9jqg
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**To OP**: Every post on this subreddit is manually approved, once we make sure it adheres to the subreddit rules, the main ones being the following: * That **all posts here must relate drawabox.com** (being either questions or homework submissions). More on that can be found here. * All homework submissions must be complete - **single exercises and partial work is not allowed on the subreddit**, as mentioned in this video from Lesson 0. You can however get feedback on individual exercises on the discord chat server, and the folks there would be happy to help you out. If you find that your post breaks either of these rules, we would recommend deleting your post yourself, and submitting on one of these other more general art communities instead: * /r/learnart or /r/learntodraw if you're looking for feedback on your work * /r/IDAP is good for sharing work you're not looking for feedback on * /r/artistlounge and /r/learnart are good for general questions/discussion Just be sure to read through their own individual submission guidelines before posting. **To those responding**: If you are seeing this post, then it has been approved, and therefore is related to the lessons on drawabox.com. If you are yourself unfamiliar with them, then it's best that you not respond with your own advice, so as not to confuse or mislead OP. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ArtFundamentals) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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I would recommend more just setting aside a certain amount of time each day. In the beginning, this would work, but once you get to homework that involves textures, it can take a lot more time than you might realize.
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nij37i
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Should I redo the ellipses chapter ? I am at the 250 box challenge . But my ellipses are horrible when I draw them they look like a balloon or an egg - shape . When I was doing ellipses in plains I never seem to hit all the sides of the plane . My circle looks like a teardrop and honestly I don’t want it to stay that way . I have no idea wether is this is due to my disability in seeing lines ( lines never meet , or they disappear when I look at them , they look crooked/they move ) or it’s just I suck . I want to get better at this but I recall in lesson 0 it states to not ‘cram’ or something like that . So I need advice from everyone . Thanks .
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gz2j5t4
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I do a page each of lines, circles and ellipses when I start a drawing session. If one of those seems a bit shaky I’ll do a second page. Takes less than five minutes and then I move on to the actual drawing. So I recommend doing it before you start drawing every time. Helps build up good habits! The big thing is just don’t over analyze or agonize over them. They are just warm ups and don’t need to be perfect and awesome!
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Exercises in DaB are not meant to be one and done. They are meant to be worked in as warmups as you go forward. Whenever you sit down to start your next drawing session, do a table of ellipses or a couple of funnels. With that said, don't sit there doing page after page of ellipse exercises in one session.
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nij37i
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artfundamentals_train
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Should I redo the ellipses chapter ? I am at the 250 box challenge . But my ellipses are horrible when I draw them they look like a balloon or an egg - shape . When I was doing ellipses in plains I never seem to hit all the sides of the plane . My circle looks like a teardrop and honestly I don’t want it to stay that way . I have no idea wether is this is due to my disability in seeing lines ( lines never meet , or they disappear when I look at them , they look crooked/they move ) or it’s just I suck . I want to get better at this but I recall in lesson 0 it states to not ‘cram’ or something like that . So I need advice from everyone . Thanks .
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gz36gw5
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gz4cr52
| 1,621,713,253 | 1,621,736,300 | 6 | 7 |
Good advice already here. Just wanted to add, look at different books and methods of making elipses. Different teachers explaining in different ways that might make more sense.
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No, never redo a chapter/lesson/exercise. Continue with the lessons as normal. You can do more ellipse exercises as warmups in future drawing/learning sessions, but you should never go back to redo an exercise from scratch because you want to get a better result. The goal of all exercises in the lessons are to force you to gain a base level of experience before moving on to more important things. It's to prevent people from starting drawabox, drawing half a page of stuff, thinking this is too hard or boring, then giving up. The page requirements are to give directionless people some direction (why most people even bother starting with drawabox), and to give them enough practice/experience that they get over the hump of the learning curve and start to believe they can do this. If you are a real beginner starting from nothing, the understanding is that by the end of each exercise, your work will still be shit. BUT, you will also know it's shit and you will have seen yourself improve ever so slightly from when you started. The goal of the lessons are to build your confidence in your own ability *TO LEARN and IMPROVE*, not to get your abilities up to par with illustrators who've been doing this for years. It doesn't matter if your ellipses are eggs, there's only 3 questions you need to ask yourself at the end of each exercise and homework. 1) Is the last drawing I made for the exercise better than the first drawing? If it is, that's great, it means you improved during the exercise and you started building up that important muscle memory 2) At the end of the exercise, do I know/understand what I'm still lacking? If you do, thats great, you're not a pro, but you understand why you're not a pro 3) Do I have an idea of how to improve in the future, beyond drawabox. If you do, then you know how to improve to get to where you want to be as an artist. If you can answer these 3 questions, then drawabox has fulfilled it's purpose. You'll know your not perfect, you'll know where you're still lacking, you'll know how to improve further, and maybe most importantly, you have confidence in your ability to improve because you've seen how far you can get with just 2 pages of drawing practice per exercise. You'll notice "Did I draw a perfect circle/box" is never a consideration. Boxes and circles are nice, but lets be honest their boring and you only learn so much when drawing such simple shapes. There are more important things to learn. Construction is much more "useful" in terms of making decent drawings. But don't worry, these more important subjects will still have you draw boxes and circles, you will get the practice you're yearning for as you draw literally anything else as you move through the lessons.
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nij37i
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artfundamentals_train
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Should I redo the ellipses chapter ? I am at the 250 box challenge . But my ellipses are horrible when I draw them they look like a balloon or an egg - shape . When I was doing ellipses in plains I never seem to hit all the sides of the plane . My circle looks like a teardrop and honestly I don’t want it to stay that way . I have no idea wether is this is due to my disability in seeing lines ( lines never meet , or they disappear when I look at them , they look crooked/they move ) or it’s just I suck . I want to get better at this but I recall in lesson 0 it states to not ‘cram’ or something like that . So I need advice from everyone . Thanks .
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gz4cr52
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gz2ufjc
| 1,621,736,300 | 1,621,707,055 | 7 | -11 |
No, never redo a chapter/lesson/exercise. Continue with the lessons as normal. You can do more ellipse exercises as warmups in future drawing/learning sessions, but you should never go back to redo an exercise from scratch because you want to get a better result. The goal of all exercises in the lessons are to force you to gain a base level of experience before moving on to more important things. It's to prevent people from starting drawabox, drawing half a page of stuff, thinking this is too hard or boring, then giving up. The page requirements are to give directionless people some direction (why most people even bother starting with drawabox), and to give them enough practice/experience that they get over the hump of the learning curve and start to believe they can do this. If you are a real beginner starting from nothing, the understanding is that by the end of each exercise, your work will still be shit. BUT, you will also know it's shit and you will have seen yourself improve ever so slightly from when you started. The goal of the lessons are to build your confidence in your own ability *TO LEARN and IMPROVE*, not to get your abilities up to par with illustrators who've been doing this for years. It doesn't matter if your ellipses are eggs, there's only 3 questions you need to ask yourself at the end of each exercise and homework. 1) Is the last drawing I made for the exercise better than the first drawing? If it is, that's great, it means you improved during the exercise and you started building up that important muscle memory 2) At the end of the exercise, do I know/understand what I'm still lacking? If you do, thats great, you're not a pro, but you understand why you're not a pro 3) Do I have an idea of how to improve in the future, beyond drawabox. If you do, then you know how to improve to get to where you want to be as an artist. If you can answer these 3 questions, then drawabox has fulfilled it's purpose. You'll know your not perfect, you'll know where you're still lacking, you'll know how to improve further, and maybe most importantly, you have confidence in your ability to improve because you've seen how far you can get with just 2 pages of drawing practice per exercise. You'll notice "Did I draw a perfect circle/box" is never a consideration. Boxes and circles are nice, but lets be honest their boring and you only learn so much when drawing such simple shapes. There are more important things to learn. Construction is much more "useful" in terms of making decent drawings. But don't worry, these more important subjects will still have you draw boxes and circles, you will get the practice you're yearning for as you draw literally anything else as you move through the lessons.
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If you have to ask. The answer is yes.
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nij37i
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artfundamentals_train
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Should I redo the ellipses chapter ? I am at the 250 box challenge . But my ellipses are horrible when I draw them they look like a balloon or an egg - shape . When I was doing ellipses in plains I never seem to hit all the sides of the plane . My circle looks like a teardrop and honestly I don’t want it to stay that way . I have no idea wether is this is due to my disability in seeing lines ( lines never meet , or they disappear when I look at them , they look crooked/they move ) or it’s just I suck . I want to get better at this but I recall in lesson 0 it states to not ‘cram’ or something like that . So I need advice from everyone . Thanks .
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gz36gw5
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gz2ufjc
| 1,621,713,253 | 1,621,707,055 | 6 | -11 |
Good advice already here. Just wanted to add, look at different books and methods of making elipses. Different teachers explaining in different ways that might make more sense.
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If you have to ask. The answer is yes.
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ha5wvv
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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I used to be in the same boat my friend! I know it's what everyone is saying and it is difficult but seriously workouts changed my posture permanently!! You don't have to even go to the gym you could sign up for any full body exercise class that does stretches or even just do calisthenics from home or swim, there are a lot of things you can do but the main point is you need to focus on developing your core, back, chest neck and shoulder muscles. I personally did HIIT and swam. I used to catch my side profile in the mirror or in pictures and would be so disappointed because I looked like a vulture with my neck forward and head low haha now my bodies natural relaxed standing position is where it should be thanks to the exercise. Also muscles are nice too! People will comment on how you've gotten taller or grown as well which is funny!
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You have the same thing I do, called rolled shoulders. Basically, stand up and put your arms where you usually would when idle. If your thumbs are facing inwards, towards your belly, then you have rolled shoulders. They can be remedied for most people, I believe. There are workouts and stretches and stuff on youtube that you can do on a daily basis, but that only helps a small amount if you don't fix your posture. So the next time you go to sit in your seat, put a tennis ball in-between your shoulder blades, and sit back on it. Do your best to not let it fall out from between your shoulder blades. I don't think most people's are as bad as mine are, there's other stuff I need to fix in my life first before I can really make an honest shot at getting rid of mine, so at the moment I'm in the same boat as you are.
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2h5zt
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I highly recommend booking a consultation with a physiotherapist. You dont have to pay for multiple visits, in the first one they will look you over, point out your problem areas and give you a stretching program to correct them. I did this very early on in my art career and it relieved a lot of pain before it became an issue. You are a machine, if you are broken you can’t produce art, so tackle this ASAP and with a professional as a guide.
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I used to be in the same boat my friend! I know it's what everyone is saying and it is difficult but seriously workouts changed my posture permanently!! You don't have to even go to the gym you could sign up for any full body exercise class that does stretches or even just do calisthenics from home or swim, there are a lot of things you can do but the main point is you need to focus on developing your core, back, chest neck and shoulder muscles. I personally did HIIT and swam. I used to catch my side profile in the mirror or in pictures and would be so disappointed because I looked like a vulture with my neck forward and head low haha now my bodies natural relaxed standing position is where it should be thanks to the exercise. Also muscles are nice too! People will comment on how you've gotten taller or grown as well which is funny!
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2cjty
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I used to be in the same boat my friend! I know it's what everyone is saying and it is difficult but seriously workouts changed my posture permanently!! You don't have to even go to the gym you could sign up for any full body exercise class that does stretches or even just do calisthenics from home or swim, there are a lot of things you can do but the main point is you need to focus on developing your core, back, chest neck and shoulder muscles. I personally did HIIT and swam. I used to catch my side profile in the mirror or in pictures and would be so disappointed because I looked like a vulture with my neck forward and head low haha now my bodies natural relaxed standing position is where it should be thanks to the exercise. Also muscles are nice too! People will comment on how you've gotten taller or grown as well which is funny!
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I'm in a VERY similar situation as you are. I'm also 21 years old and I have incredible neck and back pain for the last 3-4 years due to having a bad posture and sitting on a (cheap) deskchair for way to long every day. I recently started DAW and I encounter the same problem as you do. The only way to fix this is be fixing your posture. I recently went to the doctor because the pain was getting too bad. She told me that the only thing I need to do is fix my posture and do simple exercises/stretches to develop and strengthen the neck and back muscles. There is A LOT of very useful information and exercises available on google/youtube so I highly suggest to check that out. It's also important to note that the results of fixing your posture and "training" your neck can take a while to become apparent, so don't get discouraged if you don't feel any improvements immediately. My posture is pretty good for the most part right now, but the pain has only gotten worse because I'm putting more pressure on the muscles in my neck and back that I didn't "use" before, therefore those muscles are really underdeveloped. You might experience the same thing yourself.
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2h5zt
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I would highly recommend yoga and just generally looking at your posture and sitting up more straight.
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I used to be in the same boat my friend! I know it's what everyone is saying and it is difficult but seriously workouts changed my posture permanently!! You don't have to even go to the gym you could sign up for any full body exercise class that does stretches or even just do calisthenics from home or swim, there are a lot of things you can do but the main point is you need to focus on developing your core, back, chest neck and shoulder muscles. I personally did HIIT and swam. I used to catch my side profile in the mirror or in pictures and would be so disappointed because I looked like a vulture with my neck forward and head low haha now my bodies natural relaxed standing position is where it should be thanks to the exercise. Also muscles are nice too! People will comment on how you've gotten taller or grown as well which is funny!
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2gzjn
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I used to be in the same boat my friend! I know it's what everyone is saying and it is difficult but seriously workouts changed my posture permanently!! You don't have to even go to the gym you could sign up for any full body exercise class that does stretches or even just do calisthenics from home or swim, there are a lot of things you can do but the main point is you need to focus on developing your core, back, chest neck and shoulder muscles. I personally did HIIT and swam. I used to catch my side profile in the mirror or in pictures and would be so disappointed because I looked like a vulture with my neck forward and head low haha now my bodies natural relaxed standing position is where it should be thanks to the exercise. Also muscles are nice too! People will comment on how you've gotten taller or grown as well which is funny!
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Honestly, to get the best fixes and in-depth answer regarding this common issue is to visit therapists (such as physical therapists or chiropractors). This is more of a postural issue that stems from your entire physique rather than just your shoulders. Yes, hips, glutes, torso, and shoulders all play a part in this. I say this as a person that exercises regularly and frequently performs mobility work prior and after powerlifting. I would guess that if you visit the “posture” or “physical therapy” subreddit (Sorry, I do not know how to link subreddits). This issue would most likely be posted frequently. A fun fact as a resource for you if you have time to look into it. Look up an individual by the name of Kelly Starrett (Physical Therapist). I use to follow his mobility techniques (especially from his book, “The Supple Leopard”) and use them as a primary go to, to fix my low range of motion in shoulders and hips. To wrap up, this is something that will not go away soon. It will take time and conditioning in order to balance your anterior/posterior muscles as well address other underlying issues we may not know. Prioritizing posture will improve a lot of facets in your life. If you do focus on improving your protracted (forward roll) shoulders, remember not to feel discouraged. It takes time. Just keep getting better just as you are with drawing. A fun little motto I like to go by: “Squat daily & Draw a box daily.” TL;DR: look into exercise articles, therapists, and professional personal trainers. This is a common issue primarily regarding your posture. Usually a quick fix to balancing anterior/posterior muscles will do the job. However, we do not know if you have other physical limitations that could affect you.
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2h5zt
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You need to get yourself to the gym quick start! I'm guessing you're only young, best to try correct this now before it gets worse as you get older. YouTube will give you a lot of exercises for straightening posture but you probably need to get yourself a PT until you know you're doing it correctly.
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I used to be in the same boat my friend! I know it's what everyone is saying and it is difficult but seriously workouts changed my posture permanently!! You don't have to even go to the gym you could sign up for any full body exercise class that does stretches or even just do calisthenics from home or swim, there are a lot of things you can do but the main point is you need to focus on developing your core, back, chest neck and shoulder muscles. I personally did HIIT and swam. I used to catch my side profile in the mirror or in pictures and would be so disappointed because I looked like a vulture with my neck forward and head low haha now my bodies natural relaxed standing position is where it should be thanks to the exercise. Also muscles are nice too! People will comment on how you've gotten taller or grown as well which is funny!
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2gw26
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I used to be in the same boat my friend! I know it's what everyone is saying and it is difficult but seriously workouts changed my posture permanently!! You don't have to even go to the gym you could sign up for any full body exercise class that does stretches or even just do calisthenics from home or swim, there are a lot of things you can do but the main point is you need to focus on developing your core, back, chest neck and shoulder muscles. I personally did HIIT and swam. I used to catch my side profile in the mirror or in pictures and would be so disappointed because I looked like a vulture with my neck forward and head low haha now my bodies natural relaxed standing position is where it should be thanks to the exercise. Also muscles are nice too! People will comment on how you've gotten taller or grown as well which is funny!
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I would see a Physiotherapist, preferably one that specializes in back problems. They will help you correct your posture and give you exercises you can do at home to relieve the pain in your neck, shoulders and back. I would work on it now, while you're still able to correct the problem. The older you get, the worse it will get, you don't want to end up with a crooked back, hunched over. Good luck!
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2b24z
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I would highly recommend yoga and just generally looking at your posture and sitting up more straight.
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I highly recommend booking a consultation with a physiotherapist. You dont have to pay for multiple visits, in the first one they will look you over, point out your problem areas and give you a stretching program to correct them. I did this very early on in my art career and it relieved a lot of pain before it became an issue. You are a machine, if you are broken you can’t produce art, so tackle this ASAP and with a professional as a guide.
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2cjty
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You need to get yourself to the gym quick start! I'm guessing you're only young, best to try correct this now before it gets worse as you get older. YouTube will give you a lot of exercises for straightening posture but you probably need to get yourself a PT until you know you're doing it correctly.
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I'm in a VERY similar situation as you are. I'm also 21 years old and I have incredible neck and back pain for the last 3-4 years due to having a bad posture and sitting on a (cheap) deskchair for way to long every day. I recently started DAW and I encounter the same problem as you do. The only way to fix this is be fixing your posture. I recently went to the doctor because the pain was getting too bad. She told me that the only thing I need to do is fix my posture and do simple exercises/stretches to develop and strengthen the neck and back muscles. There is A LOT of very useful information and exercises available on google/youtube so I highly suggest to check that out. It's also important to note that the results of fixing your posture and "training" your neck can take a while to become apparent, so don't get discouraged if you don't feel any improvements immediately. My posture is pretty good for the most part right now, but the pain has only gotten worse because I'm putting more pressure on the muscles in my neck and back that I didn't "use" before, therefore those muscles are really underdeveloped. You might experience the same thing yourself.
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2gzjn
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fv2k376
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Honestly, to get the best fixes and in-depth answer regarding this common issue is to visit therapists (such as physical therapists or chiropractors). This is more of a postural issue that stems from your entire physique rather than just your shoulders. Yes, hips, glutes, torso, and shoulders all play a part in this. I say this as a person that exercises regularly and frequently performs mobility work prior and after powerlifting. I would guess that if you visit the “posture” or “physical therapy” subreddit (Sorry, I do not know how to link subreddits). This issue would most likely be posted frequently. A fun fact as a resource for you if you have time to look into it. Look up an individual by the name of Kelly Starrett (Physical Therapist). I use to follow his mobility techniques (especially from his book, “The Supple Leopard”) and use them as a primary go to, to fix my low range of motion in shoulders and hips. To wrap up, this is something that will not go away soon. It will take time and conditioning in order to balance your anterior/posterior muscles as well address other underlying issues we may not know. Prioritizing posture will improve a lot of facets in your life. If you do focus on improving your protracted (forward roll) shoulders, remember not to feel discouraged. It takes time. Just keep getting better just as you are with drawing. A fun little motto I like to go by: “Squat daily & Draw a box daily.” TL;DR: look into exercise articles, therapists, and professional personal trainers. This is a common issue primarily regarding your posture. Usually a quick fix to balancing anterior/posterior muscles will do the job. However, we do not know if you have other physical limitations that could affect you.
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You can use an easel to keep a good posture while drawing or painting, but lets be honest, not all of us have an easel, so a very practical way to get something similar is by putting your drawing board over a chair. Remember to take breaks from your drawing to stretch and also to get a fresh view over your drawing
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2k376
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You need to get yourself to the gym quick start! I'm guessing you're only young, best to try correct this now before it gets worse as you get older. YouTube will give you a lot of exercises for straightening posture but you probably need to get yourself a PT until you know you're doing it correctly.
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You can use an easel to keep a good posture while drawing or painting, but lets be honest, not all of us have an easel, so a very practical way to get something similar is by putting your drawing board over a chair. Remember to take breaks from your drawing to stretch and also to get a fresh view over your drawing
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2k376
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fv2gw26
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You can use an easel to keep a good posture while drawing or painting, but lets be honest, not all of us have an easel, so a very practical way to get something similar is by putting your drawing board over a chair. Remember to take breaks from your drawing to stretch and also to get a fresh view over your drawing
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I would see a Physiotherapist, preferably one that specializes in back problems. They will help you correct your posture and give you exercises you can do at home to relieve the pain in your neck, shoulders and back. I would work on it now, while you're still able to correct the problem. The older you get, the worse it will get, you don't want to end up with a crooked back, hunched over. Good luck!
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2gzjn
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fv2b9m0
| 1,592,350,432 | 1,592,347,316 | 4 | 3 |
Honestly, to get the best fixes and in-depth answer regarding this common issue is to visit therapists (such as physical therapists or chiropractors). This is more of a postural issue that stems from your entire physique rather than just your shoulders. Yes, hips, glutes, torso, and shoulders all play a part in this. I say this as a person that exercises regularly and frequently performs mobility work prior and after powerlifting. I would guess that if you visit the “posture” or “physical therapy” subreddit (Sorry, I do not know how to link subreddits). This issue would most likely be posted frequently. A fun fact as a resource for you if you have time to look into it. Look up an individual by the name of Kelly Starrett (Physical Therapist). I use to follow his mobility techniques (especially from his book, “The Supple Leopard”) and use them as a primary go to, to fix my low range of motion in shoulders and hips. To wrap up, this is something that will not go away soon. It will take time and conditioning in order to balance your anterior/posterior muscles as well address other underlying issues we may not know. Prioritizing posture will improve a lot of facets in your life. If you do focus on improving your protracted (forward roll) shoulders, remember not to feel discouraged. It takes time. Just keep getting better just as you are with drawing. A fun little motto I like to go by: “Squat daily & Draw a box daily.” TL;DR: look into exercise articles, therapists, and professional personal trainers. This is a common issue primarily regarding your posture. Usually a quick fix to balancing anterior/posterior muscles will do the job. However, we do not know if you have other physical limitations that could affect you.
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You need to get yourself to the gym quick start! I'm guessing you're only young, best to try correct this now before it gets worse as you get older. YouTube will give you a lot of exercises for straightening posture but you probably need to get yourself a PT until you know you're doing it correctly.
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ha5wvv
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artfundamentals_train
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Drawing with forward head posture, AKA 'nerd neck' - advice would be appreciated! I've had chronic back pain, neck pain and jaw pain for hours everyday despite being only 21 and not yet geriatric. The culprit is that I'm a chronic nerd necker - by this, I mean my head stands forward from my body like a clucky chicken. I've been doing this unconsciously for as long as I can remember, not just when I'm hunched over a desk but also when I stand and walk around, so basically 24/7. Possibly the most crucial aspect of DAB is drawing from the shoulder, which I have tried to do with some success. But more often than not, I find it very hard to move my shoulder at all. It doesn't so much hurt as it just feels limp, like there's nothing there to move. I've realised this is likely because my default forward head posture has caused me to possibly have an alternate positioning of my shoulders, and it is known to restrict shoulder movement. This concerns me as I feel that this will prevent me from properly honing the skills DAB teaches, and it has become rather demoralising attempting complex perspective tasks without being able to consistently draw a straight line. Does anyone here have a similar predicament? Do you think this would present a major obstacle in drawing, or is it something one can overcome?
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fv2gzjn
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fv2gw26
| 1,592,350,432 | 1,592,350,376 | 4 | 3 |
Honestly, to get the best fixes and in-depth answer regarding this common issue is to visit therapists (such as physical therapists or chiropractors). This is more of a postural issue that stems from your entire physique rather than just your shoulders. Yes, hips, glutes, torso, and shoulders all play a part in this. I say this as a person that exercises regularly and frequently performs mobility work prior and after powerlifting. I would guess that if you visit the “posture” or “physical therapy” subreddit (Sorry, I do not know how to link subreddits). This issue would most likely be posted frequently. A fun fact as a resource for you if you have time to look into it. Look up an individual by the name of Kelly Starrett (Physical Therapist). I use to follow his mobility techniques (especially from his book, “The Supple Leopard”) and use them as a primary go to, to fix my low range of motion in shoulders and hips. To wrap up, this is something that will not go away soon. It will take time and conditioning in order to balance your anterior/posterior muscles as well address other underlying issues we may not know. Prioritizing posture will improve a lot of facets in your life. If you do focus on improving your protracted (forward roll) shoulders, remember not to feel discouraged. It takes time. Just keep getting better just as you are with drawing. A fun little motto I like to go by: “Squat daily & Draw a box daily.” TL;DR: look into exercise articles, therapists, and professional personal trainers. This is a common issue primarily regarding your posture. Usually a quick fix to balancing anterior/posterior muscles will do the job. However, we do not know if you have other physical limitations that could affect you.
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I would see a Physiotherapist, preferably one that specializes in back problems. They will help you correct your posture and give you exercises you can do at home to relieve the pain in your neck, shoulders and back. I would work on it now, while you're still able to correct the problem. The older you get, the worse it will get, you don't want to end up with a crooked back, hunched over. Good luck!
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d3ofv6
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artfundamentals_train
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Not sure what I'm supposed to think in order to improve drawing boxes So I draw a box, its messed up as expected, NBD. I extend the lines, see that some points should be in different locations. Next box. As I'm drawing it, it's like I can't really look back on my previous mistakes to help me place the points. I'm only in the 30s, so maybe I haven't drawn enough, but I'm concerned if I don't change something then I'll miss something completely and nothing will click even after 250. First I draw the Y, and then after drawing one converging line, the other one has to be a certain length so the 4 lines going to the y axis vanishing point are consistent (It's hard for me to determine the length of this line, not sure how I'm supposed to). And from then on it's like it's all guesswork and luck with line points and lengths. Even after I do the corrections, it doesn't remedy the uncertainty I have when I start the next box. This leads to the main question I have which is what thought process am I supposed to go through in order to make sure my next box is even just a little bit better?
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f046jos
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f04k9q0
| 1,568,380,840 | 1,568,389,358 | 5 | 9 |
Draw 500 then. Itll click with mileage
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Revisit the rules of perspective until they become logical and intuitive. You're having trouble because they haven't "gelled" in your mind yet. https://www.artistsnetwork.com/art-mediums/drawing/learn-to-draw-perspective/ http://www.draw23.com/perspective https://www.dummies.com/art-center/performing-arts/drawing/drawing-geometric-perspective/
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d3ofv6
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Not sure what I'm supposed to think in order to improve drawing boxes So I draw a box, its messed up as expected, NBD. I extend the lines, see that some points should be in different locations. Next box. As I'm drawing it, it's like I can't really look back on my previous mistakes to help me place the points. I'm only in the 30s, so maybe I haven't drawn enough, but I'm concerned if I don't change something then I'll miss something completely and nothing will click even after 250. First I draw the Y, and then after drawing one converging line, the other one has to be a certain length so the 4 lines going to the y axis vanishing point are consistent (It's hard for me to determine the length of this line, not sure how I'm supposed to). And from then on it's like it's all guesswork and luck with line points and lengths. Even after I do the corrections, it doesn't remedy the uncertainty I have when I start the next box. This leads to the main question I have which is what thought process am I supposed to go through in order to make sure my next box is even just a little bit better?
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f04hn9z
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f04k9q0
| 1,568,387,678 | 1,568,389,358 | 4 | 9 |
Try visualizing the points? I mean, you're doing fine. I don't think you're expected to be able to draw ruler-perfect perspective freehand. From the image you posted, you don't seem to have any major misunderstandings, so it's more about practicing linework and visualization. Can you decide in advance what the box should look like (what size, what angle it's seen from), and then draw something that resembles what you're envisioning? If not, that's something you can practice.
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Revisit the rules of perspective until they become logical and intuitive. You're having trouble because they haven't "gelled" in your mind yet. https://www.artistsnetwork.com/art-mediums/drawing/learn-to-draw-perspective/ http://www.draw23.com/perspective https://www.dummies.com/art-center/performing-arts/drawing/drawing-geometric-perspective/
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d3ofv6
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Not sure what I'm supposed to think in order to improve drawing boxes So I draw a box, its messed up as expected, NBD. I extend the lines, see that some points should be in different locations. Next box. As I'm drawing it, it's like I can't really look back on my previous mistakes to help me place the points. I'm only in the 30s, so maybe I haven't drawn enough, but I'm concerned if I don't change something then I'll miss something completely and nothing will click even after 250. First I draw the Y, and then after drawing one converging line, the other one has to be a certain length so the 4 lines going to the y axis vanishing point are consistent (It's hard for me to determine the length of this line, not sure how I'm supposed to). And from then on it's like it's all guesswork and luck with line points and lengths. Even after I do the corrections, it doesn't remedy the uncertainty I have when I start the next box. This leads to the main question I have which is what thought process am I supposed to go through in order to make sure my next box is even just a little bit better?
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f047yuz
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f04k9q0
| 1,568,381,769 | 1,568,389,358 | 2 | 9 |
I don’t know, because I’m still on Ellipses, but I think: slow down. That has helped me. Just go a lot slower.
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Revisit the rules of perspective until they become logical and intuitive. You're having trouble because they haven't "gelled" in your mind yet. https://www.artistsnetwork.com/art-mediums/drawing/learn-to-draw-perspective/ http://www.draw23.com/perspective https://www.dummies.com/art-center/performing-arts/drawing/drawing-geometric-perspective/
| 0 | 7,589 | 4.5 | ||
d3ofv6
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
Not sure what I'm supposed to think in order to improve drawing boxes So I draw a box, its messed up as expected, NBD. I extend the lines, see that some points should be in different locations. Next box. As I'm drawing it, it's like I can't really look back on my previous mistakes to help me place the points. I'm only in the 30s, so maybe I haven't drawn enough, but I'm concerned if I don't change something then I'll miss something completely and nothing will click even after 250. First I draw the Y, and then after drawing one converging line, the other one has to be a certain length so the 4 lines going to the y axis vanishing point are consistent (It's hard for me to determine the length of this line, not sure how I'm supposed to). And from then on it's like it's all guesswork and luck with line points and lengths. Even after I do the corrections, it doesn't remedy the uncertainty I have when I start the next box. This leads to the main question I have which is what thought process am I supposed to go through in order to make sure my next box is even just a little bit better?
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f047yuz
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f04hn9z
| 1,568,381,769 | 1,568,387,678 | 2 | 4 |
I don’t know, because I’m still on Ellipses, but I think: slow down. That has helped me. Just go a lot slower.
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Try visualizing the points? I mean, you're doing fine. I don't think you're expected to be able to draw ruler-perfect perspective freehand. From the image you posted, you don't seem to have any major misunderstandings, so it's more about practicing linework and visualization. Can you decide in advance what the box should look like (what size, what angle it's seen from), and then draw something that resembles what you're envisioning? If not, that's something you can practice.
| 0 | 5,909 | 2 | ||
koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghr6fd4
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ghqoi7x
| 1,609,531,563 | 1,609,524,922 | 4 | 1 |
You are not alone. I've been working through the 250 box challenge for a month now. I am about 150 boxes in and only now starting to feel like I have a better understanding every so often -- though I am far from perfect and my checking reveals some major errors. I have found the more I warm up (I do straight lines x 8 and ghosted planes) the better I get. I do about 15 minutes of warm up before doing 5 boxes a day. Improving in line work and perspective is going to take a lot of time, hard work, and patience. Keep your chin up and doing the work. Edit: I used to look at other submissions but I was betting discouraged by how much better others are. I decided I should stop and compare myself to the day before than others.
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Are you warming up before doing the boxes? My first 15-20 lines of the day are always horrible
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koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghrpiqf
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ghrr2se
| 1,609,541,709 | 1,609,542,570 | 2 | 4 |
Are you checking the convergence of your lines after each page?
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Drawing cubes on it's own is one of the many exercises that will improve your perspective vision (particularly improves your capacity to create boxes intuitively), so it's ok to not see an improvement on your general skill, just on the particular one. However, if you don't see an improvement in your boxes, I'd recommend practice giving yourself critiques (or asking for them in the discord) and draw the boxes having the particular mistakes in mind.
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koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghrr2se
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ghqoi7x
| 1,609,542,570 | 1,609,524,922 | 4 | 1 |
Drawing cubes on it's own is one of the many exercises that will improve your perspective vision (particularly improves your capacity to create boxes intuitively), so it's ok to not see an improvement on your general skill, just on the particular one. However, if you don't see an improvement in your boxes, I'd recommend practice giving yourself critiques (or asking for them in the discord) and draw the boxes having the particular mistakes in mind.
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Are you warming up before doing the boxes? My first 15-20 lines of the day are always horrible
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koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghrpiqf
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ghsk8rx
| 1,609,541,709 | 1,609,558,785 | 2 | 4 |
Are you checking the convergence of your lines after each page?
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When i was doing the 250 box challenge after, looking at previous boxes and changing just a small thing on the next box and repeating, i didnt really see any major improvements. instead, i started to exaggerate changes, like experimenting by putting the points way too close and way too far, and everywhere between. Then after having a page or so of boxes I'd look back and see what worked and what didn't. and repeated thr process for the boxes that seemed to work. https://youtu.be/k0ufz75UvHs this video goes into more detail about this kind of learning if your interested 😎👍
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koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghsk8rx
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ghqoi7x
| 1,609,558,785 | 1,609,524,922 | 4 | 1 |
When i was doing the 250 box challenge after, looking at previous boxes and changing just a small thing on the next box and repeating, i didnt really see any major improvements. instead, i started to exaggerate changes, like experimenting by putting the points way too close and way too far, and everywhere between. Then after having a page or so of boxes I'd look back and see what worked and what didn't. and repeated thr process for the boxes that seemed to work. https://youtu.be/k0ufz75UvHs this video goes into more detail about this kind of learning if your interested 😎👍
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Are you warming up before doing the boxes? My first 15-20 lines of the day are always horrible
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koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghrpiqf
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ghsy4fv
| 1,609,541,709 | 1,609,567,437 | 2 | 3 |
Are you checking the convergence of your lines after each page?
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I think it wasn't until the latter half of the 250 cylinder challenge (drawing cylinders in boxes) where I finally started to feel comfortable doing it. I believe Uncomfortable says to just do the best you can and move on. Try to draw a few boxes in perspective as a warmup before other lessons helps too. Remember it's not really about drawing the perfect box, but about learning to understand spatial relationships when drawing. I would also experiment with how you start, and which lines you connect first, you might find a way that makes more sense for you. I do the first Y then ghost the lines that would lead to the points of the back part, and then draw that Y. Then I connect them as shown in this video. It helps me check to make sure I have all the points in the correct spots. There are still some angles where one corner is always way way off when I do it, but it works a lot better for me than the Uncomfortable shows it.
| 0 | 25,728 | 1.5 | ||
koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghsy4fv
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ghqoi7x
| 1,609,567,437 | 1,609,524,922 | 3 | 1 |
I think it wasn't until the latter half of the 250 cylinder challenge (drawing cylinders in boxes) where I finally started to feel comfortable doing it. I believe Uncomfortable says to just do the best you can and move on. Try to draw a few boxes in perspective as a warmup before other lessons helps too. Remember it's not really about drawing the perfect box, but about learning to understand spatial relationships when drawing. I would also experiment with how you start, and which lines you connect first, you might find a way that makes more sense for you. I do the first Y then ghost the lines that would lead to the points of the back part, and then draw that Y. Then I connect them as shown in this video. It helps me check to make sure I have all the points in the correct spots. There are still some angles where one corner is always way way off when I do it, but it works a lot better for me than the Uncomfortable shows it.
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Are you warming up before doing the boxes? My first 15-20 lines of the day are always horrible
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koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghrpiqf
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ghve74k
| 1,609,541,709 | 1,609,627,562 | 2 | 3 |
Are you checking the convergence of your lines after each page?
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Not to make you feel bad but drawing is just hard. For me the purpose of challenge was to fine tune hand-eye-brain coordination. This is very subjective, you won't see many improvements in short time but rest assured as the days go by your dexterity will improve. As you gain more confidence its easier to "see" where you want the cube to be and that's where things get interesting, you begin manipulating them to create things. Don't fret, keep building them and rest after.
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koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghqoi7x
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ghve74k
| 1,609,524,922 | 1,609,627,562 | 1 | 3 |
Are you warming up before doing the boxes? My first 15-20 lines of the day are always horrible
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Not to make you feel bad but drawing is just hard. For me the purpose of challenge was to fine tune hand-eye-brain coordination. This is very subjective, you won't see many improvements in short time but rest assured as the days go by your dexterity will improve. As you gain more confidence its easier to "see" where you want the cube to be and that's where things get interesting, you begin manipulating them to create things. Don't fret, keep building them and rest after.
| 0 | 102,640 | 3 | ||
koaydc
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artfundamentals_train
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Is it me or everybody? I’ve been drawing cubes for weeks, but I’m finding my perspective vision is not really getting much better... I can kind of start to see improvement one cube to the next or sometimes just be completely off. Anyone else feel like this or is it just me? Am I getting worse or practicing incorrectly? Even after watching the videos and checking out other’s submissions (is that creepy?), I’m finding little improvement at best.
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ghqoi7x
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ghrpiqf
| 1,609,524,922 | 1,609,541,709 | 1 | 2 |
Are you warming up before doing the boxes? My first 15-20 lines of the day are always horrible
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Are you checking the convergence of your lines after each page?
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ccs3oo
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artfundamentals_train
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Question about the 250 Boc challenge Hello! I wanted to share my worry regarding the 250 boxes challenge. Everyday i sit down to draw new boxes, i'm anxious and afraid that I will perform worse than the day before. Iàm scared that instead of improving, my results will stay sthe same or get worse. If by the end of the challenge i were as bad as I was in the beginning, does that mean i wasted my time? I feel a huge amount of pressure to be better everyday Should I draw anyway, regardless of the results? How would you react if the day before you performed very decently and the day after you made a really bad job? Please let me know. It has always been my biggest problem. Thank you!
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etp33fe
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etp5mn7
| 1,563,044,412 | 1,563,046,373 | 1 | 3 |
Do what you're supposed to do according to DAB, eventually you'll get results. Don't focus too much on the results
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oh man look drawing is like a mutable skill - you're just gonna have bad days. If you keep practicing though, with strong feedback, you will get better. If you practice, even if you don't get better during that session, then you're investing in yourself.
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ccs3oo
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
Question about the 250 Boc challenge Hello! I wanted to share my worry regarding the 250 boxes challenge. Everyday i sit down to draw new boxes, i'm anxious and afraid that I will perform worse than the day before. Iàm scared that instead of improving, my results will stay sthe same or get worse. If by the end of the challenge i were as bad as I was in the beginning, does that mean i wasted my time? I feel a huge amount of pressure to be better everyday Should I draw anyway, regardless of the results? How would you react if the day before you performed very decently and the day after you made a really bad job? Please let me know. It has always been my biggest problem. Thank you!
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etp5mn7
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etp3vw0
| 1,563,046,373 | 1,563,045,019 | 3 | 1 |
oh man look drawing is like a mutable skill - you're just gonna have bad days. If you keep practicing though, with strong feedback, you will get better. If you practice, even if you don't get better during that session, then you're investing in yourself.
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Over thinking is the enemy trust me. You won't get better unless you do better. This isn't a race and if it was it'd be a marathon not a sprint. Remember to have fun!
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ccs3oo
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
Question about the 250 Boc challenge Hello! I wanted to share my worry regarding the 250 boxes challenge. Everyday i sit down to draw new boxes, i'm anxious and afraid that I will perform worse than the day before. Iàm scared that instead of improving, my results will stay sthe same or get worse. If by the end of the challenge i were as bad as I was in the beginning, does that mean i wasted my time? I feel a huge amount of pressure to be better everyday Should I draw anyway, regardless of the results? How would you react if the day before you performed very decently and the day after you made a really bad job? Please let me know. It has always been my biggest problem. Thank you!
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etp33fe
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etp5uzy
| 1,563,044,412 | 1,563,046,549 | 1 | 2 |
Do what you're supposed to do according to DAB, eventually you'll get results. Don't focus too much on the results
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Doing it is better than not doing it. So if you’re not going to do it because you’re afraid of the end result then you will not get better.
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ccs3oo
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.87 |
Question about the 250 Boc challenge Hello! I wanted to share my worry regarding the 250 boxes challenge. Everyday i sit down to draw new boxes, i'm anxious and afraid that I will perform worse than the day before. Iàm scared that instead of improving, my results will stay sthe same or get worse. If by the end of the challenge i were as bad as I was in the beginning, does that mean i wasted my time? I feel a huge amount of pressure to be better everyday Should I draw anyway, regardless of the results? How would you react if the day before you performed very decently and the day after you made a really bad job? Please let me know. It has always been my biggest problem. Thank you!
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etp5uzy
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etp3vw0
| 1,563,046,549 | 1,563,045,019 | 2 | 1 |
Doing it is better than not doing it. So if you’re not going to do it because you’re afraid of the end result then you will not get better.
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Over thinking is the enemy trust me. You won't get better unless you do better. This isn't a race and if it was it'd be a marathon not a sprint. Remember to have fun!
| 1 | 1,530 | 2 | ||
ebi0mx
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artfundamentals_train
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How has Drawabox Lessons helped improve your art? Curious first timer here. I just wanted to know how much you've improved after finishing the lessons and about how much time did you dedicate (per day, per week) to get to that point. Also any other helpful tips to keep in mind while going through the lessons are appreciated, thanks!
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fb57i6p
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fb56u8l
| 1,576,522,434 | 1,576,522,080 | 8 | 3 |
Taught me how to actually draw from the shoulder. It's something that's repeated so often yet it's almost like it's just expected that you'd know it
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It really helped me draw in perspective, as well as drawing things that didn't have a photo reference for.
| 1 | 354 | 2.666667 | ||
ebi0mx
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
How has Drawabox Lessons helped improve your art? Curious first timer here. I just wanted to know how much you've improved after finishing the lessons and about how much time did you dedicate (per day, per week) to get to that point. Also any other helpful tips to keep in mind while going through the lessons are appreciated, thanks!
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fb5bg22
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fb56u8l
| 1,576,524,544 | 1,576,522,080 | 5 | 3 |
Everything proportionally can be placed in a imaginary box so if you can draw a box from all angles and get the proportions right you can apply that to your objects you are drawing and get the perspective and proportions right
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It really helped me draw in perspective, as well as drawing things that didn't have a photo reference for.
| 1 | 2,464 | 1.666667 | ||
ixu3ha
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
Where can drawabox take me I know that drawabox has nothing to do with drawing faces,characters or humans.So how will it affect on the stuff I mentioned should i start with something else?
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g6cms9h
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g6extzc
| 1,600,890,569 | 1,600,948,269 | 3 | 5 |
I disagree. Drawabox has a lot to do with drawing faces/figures. These are fundamental skills that will help you with ALL of your drawings. The face is basically a box. The body can be broken down to various shapes of boxes. It may not show you the proportions of the face or w/e, but the concepts and exercises will help you both learn and to actually draw them.
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So, one once said something. I don't remember exactly, but what he said has a meaning like: if you wanna learn to draw anime, you gonna practice, look up to tutorial. Now, let just say you you can draw an decent anime girl now. Now you wanna put her in a background. But what will be in the back ground? Let just say that she is standing on a grass patch, sure, let's look up for more tutorial to draw grasses. Now that your anime girl have a less empty background, something is still missing, a tree should do the trick, let's look up for more tutorial then... You see, that's the problem. With out fundamental knowledges, you can only draw based on tutorials, copy others and have a hard time drawing things you haven't learn. So consider drawabox a tutorial to everything, ok?
| 0 | 57,700 | 1.666667 | ||
ixu3ha
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
Where can drawabox take me I know that drawabox has nothing to do with drawing faces,characters or humans.So how will it affect on the stuff I mentioned should i start with something else?
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g6a2i3q
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g6extzc
| 1,600,827,540 | 1,600,948,269 | 2 | 5 |
Draw box is more or less for people who have absolutely no drawing experience. I would look elsewhere for for things more relevant if you already some skill under your belt.
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So, one once said something. I don't remember exactly, but what he said has a meaning like: if you wanna learn to draw anime, you gonna practice, look up to tutorial. Now, let just say you you can draw an decent anime girl now. Now you wanna put her in a background. But what will be in the back ground? Let just say that she is standing on a grass patch, sure, let's look up for more tutorial to draw grasses. Now that your anime girl have a less empty background, something is still missing, a tree should do the trick, let's look up for more tutorial then... You see, that's the problem. With out fundamental knowledges, you can only draw based on tutorials, copy others and have a hard time drawing things you haven't learn. So consider drawabox a tutorial to everything, ok?
| 0 | 120,729 | 2.5 | ||
ixu3ha
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
Where can drawabox take me I know that drawabox has nothing to do with drawing faces,characters or humans.So how will it affect on the stuff I mentioned should i start with something else?
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g6fz0jc
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g6cms9h
| 1,600,967,540 | 1,600,890,569 | 4 | 3 |
about a decade ago, I could draw recognizable portraiture and life drawing, but I realized that my proportions were never really perfect, because my sense of things was a little off. I went through "Dynamic Figure Drawing" and "Drawing on the right side of the brain" both of which are great reference or text respectively. I'm taking this course because I know that strong spacial fundamentals will give me the underlying structure I'm looking for. It will make me better at drawing people. They talk about this briefly in lesson 0 here: https://drawabox.com/lesson/0/3 "The key thing to remember is that **no matter what style you ultimately are interested in drawing these concepts are still extremely relevant**. Whether you're interested in drawing anime/manga, hyper-realism, or anything in between, these are the principles they all share." He also goes on to talk about how, in addition to beginners, it's for self-taught artists like us. "**Self-Taught Artists**. I was in this group myself. Self-taught artists tend to have a more sporadic skillset, with an underlying foundation fraught with holes and misunderstanding, but with a lot of overall mileage/experience under their belts. Drawabox can work wonders to help fill those holes and really solidify one's grasp of the basic foundational concepts, and so such students can see improvements by considerable leaps and bounds. " There's a lot more in that article which probably answers your question more completely, but that's why I am tackling this course, from, it sounds, a similar place as you. Good luck, whatever path you choose.
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I disagree. Drawabox has a lot to do with drawing faces/figures. These are fundamental skills that will help you with ALL of your drawings. The face is basically a box. The body can be broken down to various shapes of boxes. It may not show you the proportions of the face or w/e, but the concepts and exercises will help you both learn and to actually draw them.
| 1 | 76,971 | 1.333333 | ||
ixu3ha
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
Where can drawabox take me I know that drawabox has nothing to do with drawing faces,characters or humans.So how will it affect on the stuff I mentioned should i start with something else?
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g6a2i3q
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g6fz0jc
| 1,600,827,540 | 1,600,967,540 | 2 | 4 |
Draw box is more or less for people who have absolutely no drawing experience. I would look elsewhere for for things more relevant if you already some skill under your belt.
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about a decade ago, I could draw recognizable portraiture and life drawing, but I realized that my proportions were never really perfect, because my sense of things was a little off. I went through "Dynamic Figure Drawing" and "Drawing on the right side of the brain" both of which are great reference or text respectively. I'm taking this course because I know that strong spacial fundamentals will give me the underlying structure I'm looking for. It will make me better at drawing people. They talk about this briefly in lesson 0 here: https://drawabox.com/lesson/0/3 "The key thing to remember is that **no matter what style you ultimately are interested in drawing these concepts are still extremely relevant**. Whether you're interested in drawing anime/manga, hyper-realism, or anything in between, these are the principles they all share." He also goes on to talk about how, in addition to beginners, it's for self-taught artists like us. "**Self-Taught Artists**. I was in this group myself. Self-taught artists tend to have a more sporadic skillset, with an underlying foundation fraught with holes and misunderstanding, but with a lot of overall mileage/experience under their belts. Drawabox can work wonders to help fill those holes and really solidify one's grasp of the basic foundational concepts, and so such students can see improvements by considerable leaps and bounds. " There's a lot more in that article which probably answers your question more completely, but that's why I am tackling this course, from, it sounds, a similar place as you. Good luck, whatever path you choose.
| 0 | 140,000 | 2 | ||
ixu3ha
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
Where can drawabox take me I know that drawabox has nothing to do with drawing faces,characters or humans.So how will it affect on the stuff I mentioned should i start with something else?
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g6cms9h
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g6a2i3q
| 1,600,890,569 | 1,600,827,540 | 3 | 2 |
I disagree. Drawabox has a lot to do with drawing faces/figures. These are fundamental skills that will help you with ALL of your drawings. The face is basically a box. The body can be broken down to various shapes of boxes. It may not show you the proportions of the face or w/e, but the concepts and exercises will help you both learn and to actually draw them.
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Draw box is more or less for people who have absolutely no drawing experience. I would look elsewhere for for things more relevant if you already some skill under your belt.
| 1 | 63,029 | 1.5 | ||
so1f1s
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
Going through the homeworks and had a question about amount of time spent Going through the homeworks right now and I'm averaging over an hour per assignment. I noticed on the rough perspective assignment that the student we work along with took almost 4 hours to complete the assignment in one sitting Is this normal for all the assignments? The 250 box challenge obviously takes a couple of days but I'm not so sure if I'm doing it correctly if I'm taking so long or if I should be breaking it up into more digestible chunks
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hw9aafq
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hw7uq5e
| 1,644,431,593 | 1,644,410,593 | 5 | 2 |
Just to clarify, the 250 box challenge most certainly takes more than a couple of days. Most people pacing themselves decently will do 5-10 boxes a day (which can take anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours, if you factor in ghosting every line, thinking through each one's orientation in relation to the other lines of the same set, applying the line extensions after each page to specifically identify where that room for improvement still lies, etc.) By that calculation, it's entirely normal to spend almost a month on the box challenge. If the student you're mentioning is ScyllaStew, we have her put up videos of her work uncut and in realtime in order to give students a general idea of how one might work through the material and pace themselves, specifically so people don't feel that by spending a while on the work, they're somehow doing worse than people who rush.
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Focus on doing it right and devoting the time that takes. If you are real good with spatial awareness then you may bang out boxes that are pretty close to correct in very little time. The mistakes and corrections may be obvious when analyzing them. If you are not as good then it will take longer to draw the boxes. longer to construct the lines to analyze them, and the mistakes may not always be clear. So every step of the process will take longer. But you will likely get more out of the exercise than someone who is already good at it. For them, the exercise is just repetition of a skill they have. For you it might be building a handful of new skills.
| 1 | 21,000 | 2.5 | ||
so1f1s
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artfundamentals_train
| 1 |
Going through the homeworks and had a question about amount of time spent Going through the homeworks right now and I'm averaging over an hour per assignment. I noticed on the rough perspective assignment that the student we work along with took almost 4 hours to complete the assignment in one sitting Is this normal for all the assignments? The 250 box challenge obviously takes a couple of days but I'm not so sure if I'm doing it correctly if I'm taking so long or if I should be breaking it up into more digestible chunks
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hw7hprb
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hw9aafq
| 1,644,401,587 | 1,644,431,593 | 1 | 5 |
Just give the assignment as much time as it needs. Theres no "normal" time spent.
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Just to clarify, the 250 box challenge most certainly takes more than a couple of days. Most people pacing themselves decently will do 5-10 boxes a day (which can take anywhere from 30 minutes to 2 hours, if you factor in ghosting every line, thinking through each one's orientation in relation to the other lines of the same set, applying the line extensions after each page to specifically identify where that room for improvement still lies, etc.) By that calculation, it's entirely normal to spend almost a month on the box challenge. If the student you're mentioning is ScyllaStew, we have her put up videos of her work uncut and in realtime in order to give students a general idea of how one might work through the material and pace themselves, specifically so people don't feel that by spending a while on the work, they're somehow doing worse than people who rush.
| 0 | 30,006 | 5 | ||
so1f1s
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artfundamentals_train
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Going through the homeworks and had a question about amount of time spent Going through the homeworks right now and I'm averaging over an hour per assignment. I noticed on the rough perspective assignment that the student we work along with took almost 4 hours to complete the assignment in one sitting Is this normal for all the assignments? The 250 box challenge obviously takes a couple of days but I'm not so sure if I'm doing it correctly if I'm taking so long or if I should be breaking it up into more digestible chunks
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hw7uq5e
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hw7hprb
| 1,644,410,593 | 1,644,401,587 | 2 | 1 |
Focus on doing it right and devoting the time that takes. If you are real good with spatial awareness then you may bang out boxes that are pretty close to correct in very little time. The mistakes and corrections may be obvious when analyzing them. If you are not as good then it will take longer to draw the boxes. longer to construct the lines to analyze them, and the mistakes may not always be clear. So every step of the process will take longer. But you will likely get more out of the exercise than someone who is already good at it. For them, the exercise is just repetition of a skill they have. For you it might be building a handful of new skills.
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Just give the assignment as much time as it needs. Theres no "normal" time spent.
| 1 | 9,006 | 2 | ||
jsdi35
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.95 |
How do you be sure about the shape while ghosting an ellipse How do you be sure during ghosting that the shape you are ghosting is actually an ellipse and not a potato. More than often not, I find my ellipses flatter/ more bulged/sharply turned than I actually wanted it to be which makes me wonder if I was actually ghosting disfigured shapes instead of proper ellipses. In ghosting lines it was easier to see because at best I was arcing a bit outward that had to be compensated, but with ellipses, I cant really tell beforehand how do I expect things to go wrong with the ellipse I am trying to draw. What do you guys suggest I do for better ellipses
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gc0ddko
| 1,605,168,135 | 1,605,156,261 | 8 | 6 |
Muscle memory, I draw a bunch of parallel lines and then draw ellipses between them like in the exercise in lesson 1? as part of my warm up before drawing DAB stuff. I make sure to draw the ellipses at different widths including some full circles too. Now that I'm on 250 cylinder challenge I also make sure do a bunch of planes and then draw ellipses in them too since you end up doing about 200 of those for the 2nd part of the challenge when you draw cylinders in boxes.
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Well, the main question is what you're using the ellipse for. Are you literally drawing something that is a perfect ellipse for architecture or blue print making? Are you doing an illustration? Are you just trying to position and direct limbs on a body? For the first one, if you were at a firm a long time ago, there were a few equations to use for calculating the arc and a tool to lay it. Today, you just let the computer do it for you.For the other two instances, your goal is not to lay it perfectly (it can actually be distracting or look "wrong,") but lay it in a way that conveys the form. For illustration, the ellipses literally just needs to tell the viewer that the object is rounded and skewed with perspective. They're likely not going to be critiquing the mathematical accuracy of your ellipses. If you're only using this to direct limbs or give yourself a form reference, you just need the make sure that the ellipse is in a place that allows you to read your own work as you lay more information down. If you want to understand the very basics of drawing an ellipse to represent a 3d object skewed by perspective, start with a box instead of the cylinder. Then on the side of the box you wish to have the ellipses, draw two lines corner to corner of the face. Where these two lines meet up is the center of the potential radius. From the center, draw a t going up and down, left and right, to the end of the box's face. The ends of these points are the apex of the arc of the ellipses in all four quadrants of that plane. There's some simple math for the elliptic arc, I believe it's called, if you want to make the ellipse accurate from there.
| 1 | 11,874 | 1.333333 | ||
ur49kb
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.91 |
Complete each exercise to the best of your ability - but my ability changes the recommendation is to Complete the recommended amount of each exercise to the best of your ability . however after doing the exercise I feel my ability and understanding of the exercise is now better. do I try to do the exercise (or part of it) again or just stop when I did the quantity that was required?
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i8wvp4w
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i8x6n7m
| 1,652,764,719 | 1,652,773,580 | 1 | 4 |
You don't need to do the exercise again, except if you want to and make sure you don't over-hustle which would lead to a burn out. The exact purpose of the exercises are to do you current best. At the time you started, that was the best you could do, and you apparently did pretty well from the moment you can now see your ability to execute the exersice is greater. Seems you are doing a great job! This is what I think, cheers
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You did the exercise to the best of your ability (the ability you had at the time). You increased your ability with doing the exercise (which is the point of the exercise). You can always do exercises again, but I would recommend doing it not right after you have already done it. Go back to it later, as this will help keeping the progress you made longterm: >!There are numerous studies !<(here an article about that) >!that show that doing multiple small exercises on a topic over a prolonged period of time is better for learning long term than doing binge learning. Doing 2h of total exercise in 15 min brackets over 2 weeks is better than doing all 2h at once. Doing 5h in 15 min brackets over 2 month is better than doing 5h in 2.5h brackets over 2 days. Thats why many people who binge learn forget what they learned a few weeks after they have done the test. One factor on this is sleep. Sleep helps the learning process, as the brain gets to work out the information it got. Having multiple sleeps inbetween learning sessions helps with learning. Also recalling information later helps to identify which parts of the information you know (are in long term memory), and which parts you need to go over again. An interesting thing is, that doing "mental dry runs" also helps learning. "Mental dry runs" is when you imagine the process in your head, like throwing a basketball, playing an instrument, or in this case doing the exercise. Other factors that play a role in learning are different variations of the same problem, or changing up the formular in a creative way (the best example I can give is with music, like giving the same songe a different rythm, playing songs really fast or really slow, or if you have an electric instrument like a E-Piano, or an E-Guitar, changing the sound filters to do the same song with a different sound).!< Also, if you do it again, you will have the same problem you are encountering now. After you finished it, you will again see that your ability increased, which might lead you to do it again. This could lead to either you losing interest because you are just repeating the same task over and over again, or that you wont progress because you will do the last exercise you did even better.
| 0 | 8,861 | 4 | ||
m3uj6x
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.97 |
How much time do u need to spend per lesson? At first I decided to spend 1 week on each lesson, but smth came in between and I couldn't keep up anymore. So now I'm thinking of just spending 3/4 days a weke per lesson. How many times per week/day do u practice?
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gqr49jn
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gqrfhr7
| 1,615,597,123 | 1,615,603,690 | 11 | 17 |
I do a page per day with free sketch days sprinkled in where I draw whatever I think of until I have filled the page. I am pretty slow, so that can be 1.5-2 hours a page. I only read the next part of the lesson once all my pages are done. Ultimately, I think it is whatever works for you though.
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I don’t set a time limit for myself because like you said OP, things come up and I don’t want to make myself feel bad for not sticking to a rigid limit because of it. I plan a little, to the best of my ability keeping my general schedule in mind, but also give myself flexibility to deviate. My thought process is something is better than nothing, and I practice and do lessons when I can.
| 0 | 6,567 | 1.545455 | ||
m3uj6x
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artfundamentals_train
| 0.97 |
How much time do u need to spend per lesson? At first I decided to spend 1 week on each lesson, but smth came in between and I couldn't keep up anymore. So now I'm thinking of just spending 3/4 days a weke per lesson. How many times per week/day do u practice?
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gqswdw6
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gqsfzha
| 1,615,646,935 | 1,615,634,406 | 11 | 7 |
I wouldn't get caught up in how much time you're taking per lesson. Your goal is to *learn* not to complete assignments. This process will take different amounts of time for different people. Also be sure to mix in fun projects and drawing for fun and don't just grind out DAB all the time.
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I practice every day for at least 1.5 hours. Some lessons take *a lot* of time. Lesson 2 textures exercises have taken hours by themselves (collecting the references, studying them, applying, studying, applying, etc. for 50+ different textures). Uncomfortable doesn't want people submitting homework less frequently than once per 14 days, so I take my time and use the full 2 weeks per lesson. This gives me breathing room and "review days" so I don't burn out.
| 1 | 12,529 | 1.571429 |
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