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I mean ok, but also still:
> The only color they care about is green | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
MCAS wasn't supposed to activate on takeoff or low altitude. They added that capability in silence without informing the FAA. They went as far as asking the FAA to remove MCAS from the manual; it ended up just as an entry in the glossary. The pilots had no knowledge of the feature, and when things went wrong, they needed to dig through the manual book instead of getting a clear warning message on the on-flight screen like on any other modern planes, since Boeing didn't want to upgrade to save on those training costs.
In the original design, the MCAS would only activate at high or cruise altitude to correct the MAX tendency to pitch up its nose because of the change in the location of its engine mount. At that altitude, MCAS will use the data from *both* AoA sensor and the g-force sensor on the plane. So, it's not a single point of failure, and the pilots would have a lot of time to figure things out. On take-off, the g-force sensor data can't be used, so it only depends on AoA sensors.
If only Boeing didn't lie to the FAA about adding new capability to MCAS. If they didn't make additional AoA sensors optional, etc. It's not a surprise when an employee wrote in an internal memo that "This airplane is designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys." | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Boeing is the poster child for everything wrong with our current financial system. Companies are massively incentivised to prioritise short term profits over the long term health of the company. In industries where safety has to be so heavily focused on it's a recipe for disaster, as we've seen. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Wait until you realize that Boeing doesn't make the AIM-9, the amraam (both rtx) or the AIM-260 (lockheed)
Reddit famous accuracy strikes again. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Oh don't worry, the government will step eventually to cover all that and more. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Maybe they'll make discounts on boeing flights? "How much is your life worth really" type of deal. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Some folks with business degrees were paid an obscene amount of money to make the stupid decisions which lead to this very predictable result. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
They had enough money to design an entirely new plane instead of clumsily retrofitting an old one and using software to jury rig it into flight worthiness…
But to save a few bucks they don’t do that.
Then they proceeded to lose 10X the money it would have cost them to actually design a new aircraft. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
One of my teachers described an MBA as "expensive networking" | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
I meant for 747 and similar comercial planes. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
I know a few examples - even of local business - where trying to maximize short term profit killed the whole business in the end or at least made it struggle so that it never went back to old glory / was bought by competitioners.
They need to change the whole bonus system in the upper managements pay. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Que Google. Same thing, remove the engineers and replace with greedy economists. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Well they can't kill everyone.. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Something something decriminalizing share buybacks was a bad idea. I don't know much about it, but didn't Reagan do it and since then it was all down hill?
Maybe we can finally start talking about reversing that. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
I have to drive past the Boeing plant to get to Charleston airport. Based on their employees driving I would say that safety is not 2nd nature to them. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Even if they don’t make AAMs, they still produce more very important pieces of equipment. Just last year, Boeing got a contract for 400 Harpoons. As far as I know, they’re also the ones producing the F-15EX, and are currently working with nations such as Japan on upgrading existing F-15s.
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/04/11/boeing-harpoon-missile-award/
https://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract/Article/2886237/ | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
If you want to make this situation even worse for Boeing, refuse to fly on the 737 Max. This would make the airplane less profitable for airlines. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Can you explain to me how? Convince me of your logic, because I’m honestly interested to hear how the situation could be construed as anything *but* mysterious.
They both happened to be set to testify against Boeing within a few months, and one is listed as a suicide, which doesn’t make sense at all for who the man was and what he was attempting to do at the time (I.e. actively waging a war against Boeing), and the other is listed as a “sudden illness” which is about as vague as you can get. Suicide and sudden illness are literally the stereotypical cover-up causes of death. You see it all the time in corrupt systems — Russia, for example, loves using accident, and suicide, and illness as “causes of death”. It was, to my eyes (and I’d argue most other peoples’), blatant. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
BMW don't seem to have too much of a problem operating out of Spartanburg. It's probably more of a Boeing thing. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
And he's still rich. Nothing is going to change since short term gains pays the bills for the CEOs. By the time the company fails they're retired anyway. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Just a heads up, it's "lede" when used in the context of a headline.
It means the same thing as "lead" in the sense of "the start of something," but was changed to not be confused with the element lead (used in typesetting at the time) | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
This dismantling of Boeing is all by design so they can sell to China. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
>Corporations don't "learn lessons". They only act according to their fiduciary responsibilities to their investors, which is interpreted as increased quarterly profits forever (or until the executive retires/dies/goes to jail).
The investors and board learn lessons about what works and not. I worked at one company that did go from a CEO who tried to grow by buying companies and moving away from the core business (which was not profitable it turns out) to one that regained focus on R&D and the core product development and turning the company around based on the product portfolio. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Have you got a link to anything which backs this up? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Capitalism doesn't require any growth, let alone persistent, and we're not at all at the end of growth.
Socialists are the biggest gaslighters in the history of mankind. It's amazing how they can keep repeating their lies with absolutely zero backing.
No dictionary or economic theory would define capitalism as needing growth. And we have real examples of countries not having growth or having negative growth, and still remaining capitalist, because why the fuck would they stop just because there's no growth? Gaslighters. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Why would we be at end of growth? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Comac are not even close to being competitive yet. Their C919 has less seats and about 2000km less range than a A320Neo so it burns about 10% more fuel per seat than the Neo despite using the exact same engine. Many analysts think of the C919 being about the equivalent to a 30 year old Airbus A320. And that's for an aircraft the Chinese had to use espionage to steal tech from western companies for. Also considering there's only 12 Comac C919, they have a long way to go before they can match the 12,000 or so Airbus and more than 10,000 Boeing airliners in service. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
It’s funny; if’s there’s one industry where you can’t afford to have one mistake it’s this one. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
That might reassure a few clueless passengers but not the guys buying planes. Airbus can’t cope with their current order book, let alone taking on more from Boeing. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
The old saying has been revised: "If it's a Boeing, I ain't going" | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Boeing kills people | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Look how the MBAs massacred my boy. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Damn. Maybe they should assassinate more of their workers? Have they tried assassinations already? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
No, not really. It was "obvious" if you only read the headlines here on reddit and how people commented.
But if you read up on each case it does not make any sense for Boeing to kill them. The first guy blew the whistle 6 years ago and had not worked there since then. The actual lawsuit that they were involved in was a personal one about if Boeing had hindered him from getting a job afterwards.
Why would they kill him now? It makes zero sense and just increased the media attention. He was not about to testify (also he had already testified for days) and give any new information about any airplane safety. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Oh no, not the quarterly sales of a hundred-billion-dollar company. Anything but that. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
So, basically everything in life? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Prices taking a nosedive | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
It's kinda fair wanting to avoid Boeing due to recent events, but we're reaching psychosis level here. Their planes are still much safer than traveling by any other means. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Should be named 737 Checo with all the crashes. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
He is occasionally allowed to be right, even if he's an asshole. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Ahhahahahahahahahahahahaha | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Good. They killed people. They deserve far worse. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Urgh, fine! I give into the peer pressure and will cancel my order of 737 Max planes. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Who wants to fly on a plane that will break apart in midair or crash??
Moreover, the whistleblowers’ early and mysterious departures…
Boeing more than deserves it. I hope that criminal charges are made against them for purposely building these flying wrecks. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
God damn regulations. How is a man supposed to make a profit. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
What?! You mean the MASSIVE AIRPLANE MANUFACTURING business isn’t booming? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Unlike the 737. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Why would anyone in their right mind buy one of these deathtraps? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
lol are you fucking kidding? $23B+ to launch a single rocket? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Because modern capitalism isn't about running a successful company, it's about running businesses to the ground for short term shareholder gains... And the MBAs are the perfect little soldiers | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
I think airlines are reluctant to use chinese quality aircrafts | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Found the McKinsey consultant | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
they have a backlog of 5600 planes, i think they're doing ok | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
If it's a Boeing then I'm not going . | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
You've never heard of issues with BMWs? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
How important are the wings anyway? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Jack Welch taught his students well. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
According to Boeing, not very much. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Well yeah, because it's a **great** short-term strategy!
During your 5-10 year tenure the shareholder value skyrockets, so you get massive bonuses and the shareholders are happy. You move on to repeat it at the the next company, citing successes at the previous one to justify an insane compensation package. Meanwhile reality has caught up to the old company and it is turning into a dumpster fire, but that's of course the fault of the new incompetent CEO.
Won't the shareholders remember? No, because a lot of them were only in it for the short term and treated it like a pump & dump. Who cares if the company goes bankrupt afterwards, *they* doubled their investment in a few years and have long since sold their shares! It's the long-term suckers who are getting screwed - and who cares about *those*? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
What "innovation?"
There is not a single Apple product on the market that outperforms anything its competitors have put out. And there never has been one.
He was a bullshit artist. That's it. World's a better place without him in it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Before they bought and basically turned into Mcdonald Douglas.. which was failing because they had this profit first mindset instead of engineering first coming from old man Boeing himself.
It's like finance bro do ruin stuff. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
It will be the media’s responsibility to clarify his marketing by referring to it as “MaxX formerly known as Max” forever. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Yeah everything those finance bros touche becomes shit. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Capitalism at work...
[https://open.spotify.com/album/5iEJV8r5tISZiUysp1OR2S](https://open.spotify.com/album/5iEJV8r5tISZiUysp1OR2S) | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
They weren't it was just the MCAS that made them do it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
It's really sad that there is money to be made in ruining companies.
And it's usually faster than actually create stuff.
At least for finance bros. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
It's the chasing of short term quarterly profits for wall street at the cost of long term quality | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Probably half the management consultants etc have engineering bachelors degrees these days anyway, but only ever got into it for making money in business, rather than any actual intellectual or technical interest | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Ryanair love swooping in to Boeing every time there's a downturn and negotiating a deal to get planes as cheaply as possible. I think they've had some deals for aircraft at below cost. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
They had orders for that plane in March 2024?! What the fuck? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
I wouldn’t. I feel like if Chinese planes started falling out of the sky, they’d Jack Ma the executives instead of making them rich like we do in the US. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Sure they don't react quickly but as a short reminder: the first of those 737 max crashes happened in 2018. If nothing changes in 6 years it is not reacting slowly, it is not giving a fuck. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Ah screw it. I’ll buy a Max. Let me see what’s under the couch. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
In, fire 30% of the workforce, new logo, boom! Out. You are now a fully trained management consultant. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Boeing still has a big order book and about a decade left of hammering out Maxs. It's not supposed to be a ponzi where new orders pay to complete old orders. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Microsoft sailed through that no problem. They secured themselves a comfortable place in the industry thanks to the 360.
Then Don Mattrick fucked them so bad they're still feeling it more than a decade later. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
That’s a low estimate. They actually were at a higher rate than that. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Holy shit John Bailey is on Reddit 🫨?! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
And no repercussions. Worse. They probably moved on to other company waving around boosted results for past years. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Even if Boeing had completely turned around and made the 737 Max the safest plane ever, the reputation damage is already done. Why would anyone buy a plane model that customers will be repelled by? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
meanwhile cultural bloggers boingboing are big up for their deeper cultural insights. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
It is actually an extremely smart business strategy.
With the intent goal being maximizing personal profit and leaving the sinking ship for someone else to fix. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
That's what I said. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
It made people a lot of money and now they are out of the deal. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Is this how we fix the housing crisis? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Its not just deaths, having early landings or flight cancellations/delays will put people off. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Enron also did something similar this | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Can the government step in and make sure that Boeing has enough in the coffers to at least pay executive bonuses??? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
MBA doesn't teach you how to make a company succeed. It teaches **you** how to succeed. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
They didn't drop it, it fell | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
He's not me (the OP you replied to). I read all of those from this book
https://www.amazon.com/Flying-Blind-Tragedy-Fall-Boeing/dp/0385546491
But, I suppose if you don't want to read a whole book you can search for specific thing I wrote above one by one. For example, these paragraphs from US DoJ indictment against Boeing
> As Boeing admitted in court documents, Boeing—through two of its 737 MAX Flight Technical Pilots—deceived the FAA AEG about an important aircraft part called the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS) that impacted the flight control system of the Boeing 737 MAX. Because of their deception, a key document published by the FAA AEG lacked information about MCAS, and in turn, airplane manuals and pilot-training materials for U.S.-based airlines lacked information about MCAS.
>In and around November 2016, two of Boeing’s 737 MAX Flight Technical Pilots, one who was then the 737 MAX Chief Technical Pilot and another who would later become the 737 MAX Chief Technical Pilot, discovered information about an important change to MCAS. Rather than sharing information about this change with the FAA AEG, Boeing, through these two 737 MAX Flight Technical Pilots, concealed this information and deceived the FAA AEG about MCAS. Because of this deceit, the FAA AEG deleted all information about MCAS from the final version of the 737 MAX FSB Report published in July 2017. In turn, airplane manuals and pilot training materials for U.S.-based airlines lacked information about MCAS, and pilots flying the 737 MAX for Boeing’s airline customers were not provided any information about MCAS in their manuals and training materials.
>On Oct. 29, 2018, Lion Air Flight 610, a Boeing 737 MAX, crashed shortly after takeoff into the Java Sea near Indonesia. All 189 passengers and crew on board died. Following the Lion Air crash, the FAA AEG learned that MCAS activated during the flight and may have played a role in the crash. The FAA AEG also learned for the first time about the change to MCAS, including the information about MCAS that Boeing concealed from the FAA AEG. Meanwhile, while investigations into the Lion Air crash continued, the two 737 MAX Flight Technical Pilots continued misleading others—including at Boeing and the FAA—about their prior knowledge of the change to MCAS.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/boeing-charged-737-max-fraud-conspiracy-and-agrees-pay-over-25-billion | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
There is no 777 MAX. There’s a 777X. And the 787 is just the 787, it’s far too young to have any variants.
Now that being said, the 777X and 787 both have had some rather alarming episodes. (In the 777X’s case, eerily comparable new-engine-old-airframe adaptations. The 787, conversely, is an all-new airframe made of advanced materials in some prominent teething phases.) But there’s no need to make up names, that just confuses others trying to read up for themselves. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Now introducing the 737 Max Pro. We think you are going to love it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
I mean most of the tech market today is because of Apple's innovations. Nobody would have smart phones without them, many of their softwares laid the ground work for todays market (Itunes, their IOS, the app store).
Sure nowadays they severely lack innovation but Jobs led them to where they are today. And today they suffer the exact fate that he in this video prophezised. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Orders can still be cancelled. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Why would anyone buy that piece of junk? Even if the build quality was perfect, the entire design is flawed to the point that it literally caused hundreds of deaths. And of course, when that happened, Boeing tried to blame the deceased pilots. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Killed? He would've killed them if it was on purpose or he could've done something to avoid them. Can't really look at the man's photo and think "yeah, he killed some geese", them and his plane ran into each other. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Both are acceptable now. Languages change. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Boeing hired them and trained them. Or not. They’re responsible for quality control, not the fictional person you just wrote up. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
Also a good way to get yourself appointed Transportation Secretary | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-12-06 |
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