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> I’d totally be willing to pay like $2.99/mo for ad free YouTube. Above that you can fuck right off.
Genuine question: Are you willing to pay that much if the catch is that you no longer get HD video? 480p max only?
Because just deciding a price is good doesn't magically mean that's within the cost to host/serve that much HD video. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
The world needs a new good search engine, now that the main ones are saturated with adds and crap results, you know, kinda like when Google took over from yahoo, aol and alta vista | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
As AOL once said, "Goodbye. (Door Closes.Mp3)" | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Go into your phone settings and change the private DNS to dns.adguard.com
That page didnt have adds for me, you dont even have to have like an adblocker app running or anything | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Gotta pad out the time for the algorithm too. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Youtube is mistaking that I **have** to use youtube and that there is no alternative. More are popping up all the time and I think its only an eventually that Youtube has a major setback. Currently its platform has no consistent messaging on the content it prefers to show, how it determines that, and its terms for what is allowed or not allowed to show/discuss. Combine that with the rampant copyright abuse and no way to actually *speak* to youtube about it. People are leaving. Creators are leaving. Its happening but slowly. Its only a matter of time when youtube hits that major setback, the Digg-levels of disgust that will drive people away in droves. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
At least they seemed to back off of the awful UI redesign. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Because nothing else does | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Interesting you say that because due to the ads i look for the shorts videos for DYI as the longer ones like to sqeeze another video mid point. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Couldn't this be counteracted by using the data from premium users? Like, YouTube would have to have code baked in to skip the ads for premium users...which could be used by adblockers to just block those ads again lol
Same with Sponsorblock. Compare the shortest time stamps with the longer ones. Shortest time = premium user. Use that data to figure out where the ads are placed.
YouTube will never win. There are few things that have more universal support in this world than blocking ads on the internet. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I agree but also it seems better than paying $100 bucks a month for cable, and still having to watch commercial breaks every 10 minutes. Ads still suck obviously but like, what’s the alternative, being healthy and putting down my phone? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
My next move is to delete YouTube | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Don't worry, I pay for Premium, so my money will keep YouTube afloat for you, buddy. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Haven’t run into problems yet with Brave on mobile but I found it slower on Windows 11 so I use chrome with ublock, works well. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Currrently on Firefox with UBlock Origin.
This is no longer working. The ads are appearing differently on the website now. It's like a video before the video I want to watch and there is no skip button, a whole ass 30 second ad too.
Bye, YouTube! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
when your garage door opener won't open on the way to work | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Whoa there, buddy. You expect the guy to pay a whopping $14/month to improve his quality of life?
That's just nuts. Nuts! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
If it is baked into the video, I can just fast forward like avoiding the sponsor segments of some videos. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I mean, not really.
If you use something like sponsor block to skip the parts of the video that has an add.
Unless they try to prevent you from skipping, which should be a relatively simple fix.
Hell, just spoof the timestamp to the player and make it think it's already shown the user the ads.
It might be more technical but I don't think it's all that much more difficult.
Also I LOVE how this is going to cost YouTube a lot of money to render the videos serverside and produce the whole backend. I can't wait for the surprised pikachu faces of the developers when it's solved in 2 weeks.
I bet there's going to be such a push to produce ad skipping software that it's going to become like the video game cracking community. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I work in video streaming. It’s actually pretty simple to prevent skipping. You just limit delivering future chunks and segments past the ad. You could, in theory, build an extension that mutes and blacks out the ads, but you’d still have to wait for the same duration to continue playing. You eliminate all buffering beyond the ad, only resuming once you reach the end. It’s actually dead simple to do and I e wondered why they haven’t done it yet. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Mmm well see | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Tbh if Google keep shoveling me with scam ads they can go f themselves and YouTube premium it’s not worth it when they keep allowing these scam ads to run wild on their site | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
or a Mike and the Mechanics guitar tab when there were no replys at all | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Oh yeah isn't that great?! I also love when I'm going to watch a game or movie trailer but I have to see an ad first. Like...what does YouTube think a trailer is? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Unless they remove the ability to skip around videos they likely won't ever be able to completely eliminate ads. Sponsorblock can handle server side ads. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Nah, they can inject the ad midstream to you. Otherwise, they couldn't do targeted ads. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
What is this nonsense lmao | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Freetube on desktop and new pipe on phone. No ads at all | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
can you do this without vpn? would a google account with location set to albania work? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Well not really. They get revenue from premium subscribers? Just like most other streaming services. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Are you kidding? We get a 55% cut of all ad revenue.
Do yourself a favor: price out what it would cost to setup your own website, host HD/4K video on it, serve it to viewers, and setup and implement the ad tech that would attract advertisers.
It's actually nuts that the 55/45 split has never changed.
What *has* changed is that overall rates are dropping because there's far far *far* more supply than demand for inventory. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I've noticed nobody ever mention Vimeo, yet it's been around for so damned long. Youtube isn't going anywhere while it's hitched to Google's cash wagon. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
or YT doesn’t do much to improve the experience. why bother? they aren’t making any money off of it | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
If you think any actual comparable competitor wouldn't also be drowning in ads to cover the insane costs of run a platform like YouTube, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
This is verifiably false. Set your VPN to Albania and test it yourself. I tried listening to music on YT earlier today while doing chores and was still getting ads after every song. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
wtf…. God damn…. And this is why I love Reddit | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
So you think that a company worth billion dollars with some of the smartest software engineers in the world would produce a solution that would be *that* easily defeated? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
That Indian guy that explains stuff I think he moved to pornhub. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
why not? they won't send the video stream until the ads are done. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
that's fine i just wont watch the ads | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
There's phone apps that do this already luckily | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I don’t mind vetted ads. I’ll sit through sponsor blocks just fine. The problem is when Google tries to force shit down your throat that’s in no way relevant - or when they are fucking advertising something illegal! Like what the fuck? They literally have phishing ads and you can do fuck all to report it.
Oh and ads mid stream that cuts in mid sentence? Yeah, don’t do that. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Sure.
Now how do you think Sponsorblock will work if the ads you get injected are of varying times? ie: you get a 30s ad, someone gets a 25s, now the timestamps are all different. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I'm rooting for you! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Ads are not illegal in Albania. Google ad-sense doesn't support the Albanian language, and it's a small country its not really a priority for Google. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
It's not even out of principle. I just can't tolerate ads. This is a personal complaint because Google doesn't owe me anything. I just eat their bandwidth without paying for it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
> The major change would be the ad coming from the exact same domain as the video
That's literally the case already... | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Not true. They can just refuse to serve the rest of the video until you download the advertisement spot’s segments & chunks, and wait for X number of seconds. You can’t get around backend serving restrictions with a front end extension. It would be, actually, unbreakable. The best you could do is black out the screen and mute, but you’d still have to wait. I can build something like this in a few hours, but I’d burn in hell for doing it. Ad detection would be much more difficult, even just to black out, because you wouldn’t have time codes in the playlists. You could bot out detection for popular videos and build a database of time codes, but they could easily circumvent that by randomizing them. The only way to get around that is fingerprinting the ads themselves. It would be such a massive undertaking, it would be the end of YouTube ad blockers. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
My favourite podcast just announced that they are switching to dynamic ads, one intro, one mid and one outro.
Vote with your wallet (go somewhere else), write scathing reviews - tell them it’s not ok. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Sweet, they are helping cure my adhd by giving me one less thing to waste my time with! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
This already happened with YouTube's reasonably priced ad-free tier. They took it away and then people who were using it went back to as blockers because they weren't willing to pay twice as much for a music service they weren't going to use.
They will absolutely pull the same shit again. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Some already are | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
might be time to battle my youtube addiction lol | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Ya'll seem to think this end game is stopping ad blockers altogether and forever. It's not.
They build a wall and you build a ladder, but as long as enough users look at that longer ladder and go "Too much effort. Nevermind." then YouTube gets what it wants out of this. All they'd need is enough people to give up and watch ads to cover the cost of that wall (and then some), and it's a win in their books.
So to your first point, they're absolutely fine with you ripping every YouTube video you want to watch to circumvent ads. They're fine with it because they know 98% of their user base will never go through that trouble. The game was never to stop the power users. It's always been to slow down the casual users, who make up the overwhelming majority of the platform. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
The equivalent of "this is trivial" from your math classes. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
If I stop watching YouTube, that will not be a problem. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
> How exactly do you expect them to pay to operate their site
Limit ad time on the site to 5 seconds and charge the same as a long ad for it. YouTube has a monopoly for online video, they can charge whatever they want. Not like advertisers have a choice of going to a different platform and buying ads there. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
"Hey guys! Today I'm going to show you how to change the oil on a '96 Corolla. This reminds me of a video back in season 3 when me and Robbo from the cartalkfix channel changed the oil on a '06 diesel trayback..."
*fades to slick background montage with terrible deep house music with warbly vocals for 30 seconds displaying the name of the channel, cuts to scene of an '06 diesel hilux and shows a montage of youtuber and Robbo being bros for 2 minutes*
"I've been using ground news for a few months now etc... | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I've used ublock for a decade now but this doesn't bother me too much. Between podcasts, music, and videos I watch 40-50 hours a week of content. I'll pay for the family plan and give it to my baby cousins for their birthday present or something. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I got fed up enough with youtube ads that I went and payed for Spotify lol | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
It’s their prerogative really. You’re free to find workarounds but don’t be pissed when they prevent you from having a free lunch.
Paying for Premium is a no-brainer for me. I read you can sign up for YT Premium in Eastern European countries for like $3/mo via VPN… | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
EU : No, i don't think so | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
What VPN are you using to do that on an iPhone? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Advertisers inflicted corporate sanitation to the website and sterilized a lot of the fun while leaving disinformation, exploitation of children/animals/the vulnerable (poverty porn), and hatred mostly alone... because for some reason advertisers have no problem destabilizing the country.
Dislike button gone, so I can't tell if a DIY repair/cooking guide, or really any guide is bogus or not at a glance...
So I was already using YouTube less anyways, I can't justify the monthly fee, and I can't tolerate ads.
Google will be glad I'm gone really. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
The problem is it actually isn't that reliable anymore, it's gone downhill a lot since they removed the dislike button. Used to be you could crowdsource a pretty good idea of the quality of information in a tutorial, not anymore.
Google take Enshitification seriously. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Meh, even if they do that, it doesn't sound too bad even if they make it legit part of the main stream. Fingerprinting an ad from a couple frames is relatively easy. All the "new" extension has to do is keep track of these self reported fingersprints, the duration of the ad and that's it. It certainly more expensive to run on the user side, but hardware advances, even a phone nowadays would do it no problem
Edit: might be even cheaper to do with audio instead | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Yeah we already have sponsor skip which skips sponsored version sections and that's literally baked in.
Edit nvm I see the time stamps would be inconsistent | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Is this like Twitch's ads? Adblock doesn't seem effective there | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Guys. I want you to consider one thing.
Ad blocking is costing youtube *so much money* that inserting ads into the video stream is profitable.
I hate ads as much as everybody else, but they have youtube premium, so what is it you want? Free unlimited storage and streaming of 1080p videos? Why the hell would anyone give you that? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Whatever AdBlock inhave already skips over sponsored parts and outros and stuff | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
People would rather pay for cable and watch TV ads than pay for Premium. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Someone is going to make an Ad censor where the ad still plays but the audio is muted and the video is blanketed with a blue screen so you dont have to know what they were advertising. The Ads still plays but Youtube wont know if people have CENSORED the Ads and there is no rules against muting the ads audio. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
See everyone thinks that, don't over estimate people's intolerance of ads, many of us were here at the beginning when they couldn't be blocked. They took over your PC. Now we have AI and we will use it to beat YouTube! | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Bro you're so right, now try someone like me who googles a ton of stuff from gaming guides to random other shit and when I look at search results, it shows me a YouTube video. Not just a quick summary in text of my answer
Its bc text cant display ads 😏. Christ lol its so obnoxious. I have an adblocker and that shit works like magic on every site ive ever visited | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
That's not how PiHoles work. You're blocking their website or resources with your device. I was able to get through to the site ad-free. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I just had this happen to me on Firefox, adblocker didn't work. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Training an AI to do it, will probably take that into the high 90's. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Why are you paying for a VPN to watch videos when you can just pay for youtube premium... | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Like I said...
>To be clear they make more than enough and can absolutely afford to show less ads
But there is a huge difference between lowering the subscription price or showing fewer ads and...
>I am not paying to not have ads, either they accept that 5 second ads are the maximum anyone could even remotely think about accepting
Which is what the other poster said.
YouTube needs revenue to exist, not as much as they currently make by any stretch, but it's not unreasonable to have a a reasonable number of ads (longer than 5 seconds) play or to give users the option to skip those ads for a reasonable monthly fee.
Personally, I use YT enough (especially via streaming devices where blocking ads is harder) that I don't find the price of YT premium to be excessive. In addition multiple streamers have shared that they actually get more money from time YT premium subscribers watch compared to ad based revenue so not only do I get no ads but the creators I like get more money for my watching. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I put a pihole on my network and initially it basically wouldn’t block anything, especially problematic were Samsung TV ads and porn ads. After shoving some custom blacklists up my pihole, the ads were blocked but shit also just stopped working, so I had to constantly micromanage it like it was a firewall set to “block all”. It was a pain in the ass to get it to a sweetspot and keep it there so I just stopped using it. It was so much work. Anytime an app or service wouldn’t work, I knew I had to go into my pihole to whitelist it and it was frustrating. It isn’t the “set and forget” that everyone pretends it is.
There was some page designed to test adblockers that would serve you the shadiest ads imaginable and I could never get pihole to block everything. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I would probably pay for premium if they actually stopped collecting my data. If I pay with my data as a "free" user then why should I still give them my data AND pay. That's a shit deal. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
>The backend may force you to download the ad content with a unique tracker, digest it, then post back some kind of checksum which will only be accepted after enough time has elapsed for the ad to have fully played, all before the server will even provide you the rest of the video.
That's okay, I'm happy to queue a video to play 30 seconds in advance of when I care to watch it. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Isn't Google one of the FANG stocks? One of the biggest | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Are they doing that right now? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
astonishing this wasn't done 5-10 years ago | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Just watch YT on the Brave browser..no ads. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Interesting. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I havent seen an Ad on YouTube in as long as I can remember due to ad-blockers. If they implement ad's in a way I cant block, that will 100% be the end of the use of that site for me.
I literally cannot stand adverts. I dont watch TV, or go to movies, or browse the internet without 100% ad blocking. No way I could go to an internet containing ads. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Same, Youtube is the only service I subscribe to | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I get a chuckle out of the "most replayed" bit of each video being right after a sponsored section ends | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Does YouTube music come free with premium? | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Albanian-ass name | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Ads in the middle of a video, a sentence or a song is an immediate 'click-off' for me.. If everyone did that, they would stop inserting midroll ads.
I just go: "well I guess I am done watching that video then" - if you wanna rip me out of my immersion, the song I am listening to or the podcast i am laughing at, then you are wrecking my enjoyment and I am going to leave/shut down the app.
Still waiting for a good competitor to Youtube. Monopolies have a tendency to turn out this way.. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
> Even 8k and VR sometimes apparently
It's amazing how throughout computing history, it's always been the pirates and the pornography industry who constantly pushed for the latest video and audio encoding technology.
They were the first to jump on Xvid, and then 10 bit H264, and now they're doing these stupidly high definition 8K encodes in AV1. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
The most likely solution to random ad injection is to target the ads themselves, since there is a fairly limited number of those ads.
The sponsor block plugin requires you to report segments as being sponsored, or self promotion. In the same way you can have users report an segment as having an ad, and the plugin can capture a signature from that portion and use it to flag other videos that have the same signature. Think of it in the same way that YouTube uses content Id to handle copyright infringement.
There are there are other automated means to detect it, since an ad will be a significant audio change from the rest of the video.
However, there is a very low chance YouTube would ever go this route. Part of the adblock push is that they have to pay server costs. The cost to serve a video is dirt cheap in comparison to rendering it. To stream the video to users, they only have to re-encode it a single time (well, multiple because of resolutions, but it's just that single bundle of encodes needed). After that, it's just sharing a file and letting the end user do the expensive part of actually playing the video.
If they move to injecting ads, they have to re-encode the file with the new ads present, that's a full encode. But advertisers want to customize their ads. They won't spend a dime advertising to me some fashion bullshit, and they won't put a computer ad on someone's makeup video. To do server side injection with custom ads based on the user, every single video played on YouTube would be re-encoded live for every view. So we went from a 1 time bundle encoded to an unlimited number of encodes.
And then you have to deal with advertisers quality standards. If my connection is poor, then YouTube will stream the video at 240p to prevent buffering. But that's a big no no to stream an ad at 240p, they would be so pissed. Server side injection requires you to do full encode at a specific resolution and bit rate, so if you put an AD in the video, I'll be watching it at 240p.
I don't think YouTube will massively scale their server costs for the sake of more advertisements. The back and forth battle costs them little and gives them results.
No way in hell is Google going to dedicate GPUs to chump change on YouTube, when they want every possible resource allocated to the LLM AI crazy. The more data you can sample, the better your LLM is, and that requires more processing power. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
I'm using the Multi Pro++ blocklist from Hagezi and in the almost 2 years I only had problems twice. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
This comment on a par with the famous reddit protests where people proceeded to continue using it anyway. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
> eventually you have to send the video
I mean, they literally don't have to. They can decide that it looks like you're circumventing the client-side timing restrictions they set up and send you no data at all. Or, as I said, they can tell you that any part of the video that your client requests is the next second of the same ad. Yes, it'll make for a messy video as you scrub through it, but they can do it if they want to. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
Oh man... my theory of computing professor.
First day. He walks in, drops the syllabus on the table, says "pass around".
He pulls out his cigarette tin-style chalk holder and draws some sets on the board. He turns around "These are the sets you will use on the midterm", and starts erasing. This poor guy raises his hand and asks him to explain the notation (not everyone had taken the class that teaches you set theory yet because it wasn't a pre-requisite), plus even as someone who had taken and done well in the class, there were some unfamiliar notations because he was using symbols for sets we had not learned.... he just looks at him and just shrug... "is easy. this is trivial. review textbook". Erases board.
That was a "fun" semester... Ended up never going to class and studying with online resources and doing much better than me peers who went to the class to learn. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
youtube-dl is open source and works great.
For a more user friendly option, https://cobalt.tools/ is all the rage these days. | r/technology | comment | r/technology | 2024-13-06 |
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