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That just means that the shares aren't publicly traded. There's still shareholders and they can still receive dividends and voting rights The difference between a private and publicly traded company in this regard is how easily you, as an external entity, can purchase and sell shares of the company. 
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>They also had a policy that PTO must be exhausted in chunks of 8 hours. Pretty sure that isn't legal today. Depending on how long ago, it probably wasn't legal then. They hadn't been caught yet.
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2024-14-06
Wow i proved myself correct that people who use the term don’t know much.
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2024-14-06
An organization for rots from the top down. That whole organization is garbage.
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2024-14-06
I'm salary, there are 3 hours a day I'm expected to be doing a specific task. The rest of the day as my boss would say "if your work is done it's not my business what are you doing". I do typically work over 40 but that's mostly due to me fucking around a lot.
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2024-15-06
Move Mouse is a godsend if your IT department is overworked or incompetent
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2024-15-06
At some companies, yea. I work at a 300 employee firm, and our IT department is overworked and incompetent to boot. I just downloaded Move Mouse from the Microsoft store to use on my home laptop keep me Green on Teams when I WFH. No one has caught me in well over a year, and trust me, they’re not going to. Not unless the whole culture changes. I can’t fathom a world where my company’s IT department would even begin to be able to detect what I’m doing.
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2024-15-06
Some jigglers will pause themselves if they detect real mouse movement. So there’s no downside to just leaving them running all day. But if you’re gonna share your screen… turn it off, so no one sees the icon on the taskbar.
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2024-15-06
All the time.
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2024-15-06
Why are you a condescending, rude and vain asshole? Give it some real thought.
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2024-15-06
I use a mouse jiggler on my work pc, but it’s sure as shit not connected to it! I primarily use my Mac at home, so the jiggler is mainly used to keep the pc from falling asleep (we can’t change the settings) because I network into it to access my files. I still need it for work email, Teams and accessing work sites through our vpn.
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2024-15-06
My I.T. has strict rules about installing SW. Can be fired!
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2024-15-06
I was mocking myself. I made a snide comment about people not knowing what shareholders refers to, then demonstrated my ignorance.
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2024-15-06
Funny, wealth management should be all about meeting sales quotas on bringing money to the firm not tracking employees are doing work online. Who cares what they were doing if they are bringing money to the company. Let sales people sell and if they don’t meet quotas then fire them
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2024-16-06
I have it on my home laptop for WFH
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2024-14-06
The church wants to meddle In politics again? Cool. Tax the fuckers.
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2024-14-06
Spirit Aerosystems actually used to be part of Boeing, but was spun off in 2005.
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2024-14-06
Investigates??? lol I need no investigation and I know the answer. Can I be Boeing CEO now?
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2024-14-06
how do you counterfeit titanium? Like either it's titanium or it's not. Also are we talking whole parts or raw material? Raw material surely someone would notice something isn't right during production of the parts.
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2024-14-06
Boeing has nothing to do with it, they don't manufacture anything anymore, they just assemble. The Titanium was being bought by Spirit Aerosystem who was manufacturing parts and selling them to Boeing (and Airbus) who was assembling those parts into airplanes. Blaming Boeing is like blaming the local computer shop if you get a motherboard with bad capacitors. They didn't make the motherboard, they just put the computer together for you.
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2024-14-06
And don’t forget taking out hits on whistleblowers, can’t have people knowing we bodge fuselage parts together and knowingly hide fatal flaws
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2024-14-06
On the contrary, you generally sell it at full price, you just the pocket the difference in thousands of dollars in expensive testing. I've worked in Aerospace manufacturing for years and I've seen this in the US too "if we only x-ray 1 in 10 parts we literally save $20K per order!" Which is great until you go to jail.
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2024-14-06
Back when I worked for oracle they decided to outsource the creation of a library to India. I was supposed to take a new version of the jar every Monday and just slot it into the project. 2 minutes of work, or it was supposed to be. What actually happened was anything that interacted with the jar wouldn’t work. So I’d unzip the thing and see that they had syntax that wouldn’t even compile most of the time. So I’d fix that, but since the contract said the jar had to be from them I had to send the, the fixes and tell them to make the jar again. The next day I’d get the jar and they’d have only implemented half of the fixes. So I comb through the code again to figure out what they missed, send another email, and on and on it went until Wednesday or Thursday every week. On top of they their code was never formatted well, they’d put several statements on the same line, indentation was wrong, everything you could think of. That went on for the better part of a year before we could convince whoever needed convincing that we should just write the library ourselves.
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2024-14-06
Well the developer wouldnt have got hos bonus for writing most SLOCs now would he
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2024-14-06
Its’s the *free market* buddy, let it decide! If you die on a Boeing plane, you can just not fly with them anymore. Problem solved, *by the market!*
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2024-14-06
I worked for a company that makes parts for Boeing and they did exactly that. Offloading manufacturing to a place in the Dominican Republic, through another company in another state. No oversight, no quality control.
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2024-14-06
Hmm... Who could possibly benefit from cutting corners to make a profit?
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2024-14-06
Aerospace manufacturing engineer here. AS9100 NADCAP etc are robust, but they can't really detect fraud. If you get a run of Grade 5 titanium from the mill and they downright lie on the chemical analysis the only way to detect that would be to re-run the analysis which is expensive. In my auditor days I've seen plenty of small subs fake inspections to save money. We also sent a Level II x-ray tech to jail for faking weld inspections on a military airplane. No one asked him, he was just lazy and attached the same image to each report.
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2024-14-06
Problem with the 20 billion dollar fine is, Where does that money go?
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2024-14-06
Rememeber the chinese baby milk scandal, that says it all doesnt it.. (I know someone that adopted a child who was severely handicapped from being poisoned by it) no scruples at all
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2024-14-06
Does noone read the article? The batch of raw titanium came with forged "certificates of conformity".
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2024-14-06
And we can lobby the government to make sure we’re free from consequences as well
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2024-14-06
$20B isn’t enough.
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2024-14-06
They went from being an engineering company making planes to being a business company making promises to make planes. Promises are cheap to make, but they can be expensive to fulfill. They have value, but only if it is widely expected that they will be fulfilled. You don’t get a lot of chances to blow a promise before your promises lose all their value.
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Is it far more complex? Cutting costs, regulating themselves, and making priorities profit over quality, instead of rigid quality checks at multiple levels is pretty accurate for everything we know about Boeing as a company, and its leadership.
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2024-14-06
Careful brother, you might commit suicide
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I can't speak for Airbus, but Boeing almost certainly sourced the material from some sketchy guy that was selling titanium on the side of a road in Renton.
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Apperantly they feel they can. And given how big Boeing is, I’d be surprised if the fine isn’t a slap on the wrist over a Sunday on the back 9 before brunch in the Hamptons. I’d love to see them get an actual, consequential fine, the board removed, and the entire company nationalized. Buuuuuut this is the U.S.A. Two whistle blowers dead. A string of different issues amongst different versions of a flying metal coffin over the past…. Well quite a few years at this point, and so far their stock is still fluctuating enough to make people money while staying about par with 2017 levels (right before it peaked 2019 - Feb 2020 where it nose dove like a Boeing plane out of the sky… accept the stock didn’t hit the ground)… idk man. I hope they loose altitude (the company, not the actual planes), but I doubt anything substantial will happen. (Totally hoping It jinx’s backwards and something does get done)
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2024-14-06
Finding rare or quality goods like titanium for half price should be an automatic red flag.
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Considering most titanium comes from Russia, let me guess…
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I guess the aircraft industry is the only one that trusts an MTR, and never does any PMI verification.
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2024-14-06
100%. It's also why switching suppliers is such a pain in the ass.
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I think they actually are opening up a criminal investigation into Boeing atm. 
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2024-14-06
How serious is this actually is? Airplane are much safer than automobile transportation. Btw not an expert. Would like to know more.
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2024-14-06
Fuck Boeing. Fuck that whole company. It needs to go.
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Its worse you buy from a little known chinese company - who buys parts from another Chinese company. So you 'save' 50% of the cost, and the company you buy from that makes nothing, still somehow makes bank.
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2024-14-06
To think we trust those companies to safely fly us in metal tubes at 42,000 feet
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2024-14-06
I updated the formatting. The same developer thought they should develop iOS apps just like they developed web apps. In 1 file. 1 file. 40,000 lines of code. I didn't touch that at all. No fucking way.
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2024-14-06
Charging higher price while lowering cost. The way
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2024-14-06
Capitalism RULES!
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...you need to check that the extension is one of the 153 that they want to convert.
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2024-14-06
Please end Boeing and sell it for parts. It deserves nothing less.
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2024-14-06
>I hope both companies get a twenty billion dollar fine. That is just the cost of doing business. I hope that executive gets jail. That will do more to stop this kind of behavior then all the fines (cough, cost of doing business) in the world.
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2024-14-06
Tofu dreg airplanes
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2024-14-06
I was mildly upset when I found out that jrpgs and movies had lied to me for decades and titanium is not some magical adamantium like substance that's practically invincible.
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A shit coder will cost $20/hr and take 6 hours. A good coder will cost $60/hr and take <1 hour. But of course, to a bean counter the good coder costs 3x as much, since all they can count is lines of code.
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I was about to say the same thing. It must be the Chinese.
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I don’t want companies to make shitty coffee makers either
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Suggests they’re not verifying their materials shipments, and that it’s not the material strength or composition it’s supposed to be.
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> convert There is no conversion. It's merely to display a list of the files. That's what I added at the end. If the file doesn't exist, then we don't have a graphic for it, so use the default icon file instead. Building a table of existing valid icons is a waste of time and increases complexity beyond what is needed to successfully complete the task in a robust manner and it also increases maintenance requirements. Simply put, if the file for the icon doesn't exist, then use the default icon image. Once someone taps on the file, the next step is for the launcher/displayer to see if it's supported but that's not part of the "display the files in a list" code. Get the filename extension. Add ".png" to the end of it. **Check if the file exists.** If it doesn't exist, define the icon filename as "default.png"
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Yeah, didn’t even compile. I tried writing unit tests for them and said these must pass before you can send me the jar. I found code in the jar that was an attempt to bypass the unit tests, but that also didn’t compile. They pushed back for a while but when I insisted on the tests passing they ended up writing a bunch of Java that wasn’t part of the jar they sent and ran the unit tests against that. I’ll give you one guess as to whether they wrote the code specifically to the tests so the method was empty aside from a return that was only what the test was asking for. It was the biggest pain in the ass. I feel like our experiences are much more common that they should be. I, too, feel your pain.
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Or we can do a good job and no one dies.
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2024-14-06
If you’re smart; you won’t fly on anything made by Boeing. Especially the max 8 and 900! Want to bet the Boeing executives don’t fly on Boeing planes???
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2024-14-06
Which is completely normal due to the complexity of aircrafts and suppliers specialising in sub system. That should not really be an issue as long as they are chosen wisely and have a proven quality record on their own. Nothing new and definitely the way to go.
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Funny thing is last week I was on a contracting board asking questions for a contracting officer candidate. One of the questions was “you discover that the supplier has been using counterfeit metals for a satellite program. What do you do as the contracting officer?”
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War is happening all the time, there has been steady war my whole life 
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Apparently some redditors don't even bother to read the headlines before posting, since Airbus is included in there right next to Boeing. lmao
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I'm gonna guess the metal came from a country whose name begins with CH and ends with A.
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But... But... My shareholders... THEIR VALUE, THE REVENUE NUMBERS MUST GO UP, THE PROFIT. Large multinational industry, if allowed, will always do the bare minimum, if it fits and kinda works, it most likely ships out long as the flaw is not caught while it's on the factory floor. They need to make numbers for quarterly finance reports, and a faulty cheap piece of titanium saved Bob the project manager 30% on that part. Why should he care if it's faulty, the numbers are ok so far... And Steve in accounting is off his butt for blowing up the budget on those pesky engineering reviews, who needs those anyways.
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Many of you are laying this at the hands of the execs....nah, it's likely the BUYERS who did this. I love Buyers, but I also know of times where you could just....tell a Buyer that you wanted to go with X, fill out the single source justification, and boom - X got the bid. Great chance someone at a low level got it past the Buyers (even the supplier themselves) and the rest is history
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In true capitalism they should suffer heavily financially for their repeated stupidity and sacrifice of quality and customer service (not to mention safety), but bc they’re so heavily propped up by the government, and big lobbyists, and they’ve cleverly spread their businesses across multiple states to create jobs in a bunch of politicians districts…. Probably wont happen
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2024-14-06
The semiconductor industry has only recently learned this lesson.
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2024-14-06
Telstra in Australia. Outsourcing went so bad they now advertise you Will “not” speak to a foreign call centre when you ring.
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2024-15-06
The conservative way actually
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That's like some Russian military level corruption.
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I knew a guy who worked at a manufacturing plant for construction equipment. They found out their steel didn't have the right carbon content, recalled everything, and basically lost a years worth of revenue. But the alternative would have been somebody getting hurt many years down the line.
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Literal chinesium
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They hold the “samples” to cover their ass for when something like this comes up. Which is something like 14+ years retention.
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Maybe if they weren't sourcing it from Hobbyking or Temu...
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It was an American company. Manufacturing split between Mexico and the US. Subassemblies made in Mexico and final assembly in the US.
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No, because the problem came from Spirit which is a Boeing pseudo-subsidiary. Why is Airbus having their planes assembled by a Boeing subsidiary who is adding counterfeit parts that will lead to deaths? Politics and capitalism.
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How could these corners we cut produce such shit products
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They aren’t even going to get a 20 million dollar fine LOL. They’ll let them walk like all these other companies. Just lookup the BP Oil spill. They did everything they could have done to fuck that up. - **Criminal Penalties**: BP agreed to pay $4.5 billion in criminal fines in 2012, the largest criminal penalty in U.S. history at that time. - **Civil Penalties**: BP was liable for $5.5 billion under the Clean Water Act and up to $8.8 billion in natural resource damages. Those people destroyed a whole fucking ecosystem for ever. And the criminal penalty was 4.5 billion. BP's revenues were as follows: - **2012**: $388.074 billion - **2013**: $396.217 billion In conclusion, Boeing can fill those planes with kids in kindergarten and slingshot them in to the air with a rubber band and nothing will happen. The fine might be $50 Amazon gift card. Because the people enforcing law are all Boeing share holders and own the companies that Boeing does business with.
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Boeing going to release the next 747 with the rubber band under it and attached to the propeller, because no one is going to stop Them.
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I was being tongue in cheek, but in all seriousness, it must have been a huge expensive fuckup cause I guarantee they did the math and found out it's cheaper to recall everything than deal with the construction defect and personal injury lawsuits. They were not doing the right thing out of the goodness of their hearts. In fact, they can't - that would be violating their fiduciary duty to maximize revenue for shareholders.
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Because they care more about money than safety, duh. That's capitalism, baby!
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they are just there to tell the c-suite crowd what they want to hear. that's literally their business model.
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The same reason that nobody reviews security footage until something is stolen. There aren't enough hours in the day.
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were they getting paid by the line?
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How can you tell whether you've got counterfeit titanium anyhow? I bought one of those titanium camp spoons from a shady chinese vendor for $1. Is there an easy way to tell?
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In a satellite?? lol.
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> More evidence that, as a company expands, it inherently corrupts itself in the interest of unfettered capitalism. this is unfortunately true of most institutions that are accountable to more than just a small pool of heavily invested parties. which is public firms....but also governments.
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That's expensive. Lives are cheap and there are no consequences for doing it anyway.
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>Re-read my comment. DOES REDDIT NOT KNOW WHAT AN AUDIT IS!!!!!!!!!!! Are you sure You do? You appear to be conflating standardized material inspection sampling plans with formal process audits. Those are separate and distinct activities with significantly different scopes, methods, purposes.
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The children losing limbs at the factory knew it wouldn't get better.
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I had one used on me. it was fucking horrible. they tried going through the nose but the anesthetic didn't work so they gave it to me orally, and I basically gagged for 30 minutes straight. the machine itself worked fine though....
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That's the final stab out of hundreds. The shareholders have their tendrils in other companies too. Like parasitic fungus.
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No, that's called a standardized material sampling plan. Those are not considered audits in the aerospace industry. They are volume contingent srandardized inspection methods of product verification as part of an organizations quality management system (QMS).
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