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Cold War? Try the World Wars, especially with the English gov and the infamous letter and their scribbles on a map denoting new country lines without any concerns for kinship, tribal or religious factors. Not even getting into internal regional politics of the time. Hell, further back with consistent fighting for millennia. Not only around religions (crusades, etc etc)  but also because it's a key geographic intersection of a bunch of continental regions. Whoever has control over the broader region would be rolling in money influence and power.  I mean, if we're going all the way back, the broader area including the Levant is one of three key areas of earliest known settled living and agriculture (Levant especially). It's always had some kind of humanoid presence, which means always some kind of jostling for resources.
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2024-01-06
You don’t get to set the terms for ending a war you started. How fucking insane would that be to allow? 
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2024-01-06
Neoliberalism is an economic strategy that conservatives actually support, neoliberalism does not refer to liberals and has nothing to do with liberalism.
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2024-01-06
Unlikely, but maybe this is some serious chess. Believing Israel is not on board, Hamas is fooled into accepting the deal thinking it'll make Israel look bad when they pass...only to have Israel agree.
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2024-01-06
> That is also a common insult I’ve seen growing up. Especially if that Jewish person does something “stereotypical” of being Jewish. Birdie Jay: I didn't even know that that word referred to Jewish people, I thought it was a generic term for 'cheap!' Peg: 'Jewy?'
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2024-01-06
Yeah isn't Hamas a terrorist group based out of another country? The last elections that Palestine had were before most Palestinians were born. I don't think there is any Palestinian government to make deals with, what Israel needs to do now is stop blindly bombing Palestine and work towards providing aid towards the displaced refugees.
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2024-01-06
Most of the countries in MENA were formed post WWII. Muslims got over 99%. The Jews got a portion of their ancestral homeland (<1%). If you’re outraged by this, you hate Jews.
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2024-01-06
My mom volunteered occasionally at my elementary school. One of the other parents she was with one time related a story about a deal they’d gotten on some furniture, and said they managed to ‘jew [the salesperson] down’ on the price.
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2024-01-06
Same is true for USA and Israel.
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2024-01-06
My grandparents left Cairo in the 50s because of that situation. I don’t think I realized until literally this moment that so did everyone else Jewish.
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2024-01-06
Not just Qatar, everything in the Middle East. Al Jazeera can often be good for international news outside of the ME, however - unless it concerns subjects relevant to the ME (like petrochemical news, for example)
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2024-01-06
This is accurate as hell. Like, could we just try and see how it goes. We already have a cluster fuck of a system so maybe we switch it up a little and see what happens. Who are these people who love blue shield and the others so much that they insist on voting against their own self interest. All the insurance companies do is raise my rates and pay for less things.
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2024-01-06
Cant let facts get in the way of casual racism
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2024-01-06
It's not about who controlled the area, it's about who lived there, and who still want to live there and not be forced out by a third party nation that didn't even exist when Palestine was formed.
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2024-01-06
Aren't the people ignoring it sort of using the same argument though? They can just point to the stuff done to Palestinians pre the 7th and say what did people expect the way people point to the 7th and say what did they expect other than war.
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2024-01-06
How is that relevant? My point is we do not say "fuck the innocents" when it comes to terrorism.
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2024-01-06
Out of curiosity how do you feel about the Republic of Ireland?
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2024-01-06
[Very 1%. Much Portion. Wow.](https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/0e50403c692a2032f253c91931f83d85)
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2024-01-06
Fuck off. Palestinians are no different racially than the Jordanians, whom Israelis have been at peace with for decades. It’s clearly not an ethnicity issue.
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2024-01-06
Do you think that about ISIS?
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2024-01-06
And there’s no way they can let the girls live to tell their story bc it will be one of constant rape and depredations.
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2024-01-06
If you read it a little more carefully you’ll notice that hamas was prepared for a “complete agreement” if Israel stopped the war from it’s side. That’s a pretty significant concession.
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2024-01-06
The far left in America wouldn’t like Biden if he personally negotiated a lasting peace between the two nations. Best to ignore the crazies and move on - similar to republicans they same the exact same thing regardless of Biden’s actions.
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2024-01-06
Yet Israel (Netanyahoo) rejected the deal, again.
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2024-01-06
You don’t seem to be the kind of person who can be reasoned with. I get the sense that you’re someone who can see human suffering and feel victimized by it. Please feel free to go on about your day, because at this point I’m no longer willing to engage with you. Take care.
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2024-01-06
Still better than Soviet Russian influence, theft, exploitation and ownership. Not mention mass rapes.
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2024-01-06
Well... Political violence. I don't know. Maybe I'm going too far.
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2024-01-06
He has no interest in defeating Hamas.
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2024-01-06
i mean theoretically yes. but i don't think the cia would fund purely neutral truth seekers do you?
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2024-01-06
I would sooner kill myself than innocent people.
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2024-01-06
Easy, ask the afghans and the taliban in 2020
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2024-01-06
Bibi has to answer for laughable border security resulting in the death of over 1,000 Israeli citizens on Oct 7th. Bibi also has to handle accusations he ignored advanced American warnings of the attack and tolerating Hamas because he thought the PLO on the West Bank was more dangerous.
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2024-01-06
Get out of here with your insight and nuance.
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2024-01-06
You have a point but it’s not relevant to this situation. Post WW2 Europeans wanted lasting peace and shared the same values as the US. Apples to oranges.
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2024-01-06
Of course they don't. Israel killing more people is exactly what Hamas wanted from day 1. They should skip the negotiations and just send a joint NATO task force into Palestine to restore order and root out Hamas. Too many powerful people playing games they know was rigged to lose from the start.
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2024-01-06
Every day Israel attacks Palestine, Hamas wins politically. Israel is only getting hated more and getting less slack every single day. Only way Israel can win this politically is get other countries to take the lead in going after Hamas.
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2024-01-06
This makes me thing I was thinking even better. When I saw that headline I was really curious why this was being said by Biden and not by someone from Israel. It felt a lot like an outsider deciding that the war is over while the people actually in the war not being aware of that decision. Now your comment makes that even crazier. Then again if this just means that other people in power in Israel have agreed to this deal but just Netanyahu not being part of that but the terms of the deal can still be kept even without him, that's good enough for me. Just like when it comes to America, it's not the American people that we don't like, it's your government and the people in power. So, nothing against Israeli citizens (apart from settlers, screw them.), but screw the Israeli government, specifically Netanyahu.
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2024-01-06
Yeah but billions of dollars were also spent on Gaza to improve living standards there by the west as well. The idea was that if we could turn Gaza into a place that would be worth living then the population would be less likely to keep attacking Israel, but instead they took the billions of dollars in aid, turned them into missiles instead and shot them at Israel daily. People in Gaza would rather live in slums as long as Jewish people are dieing.
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2024-01-06
part of the deal afaik is the stipulation that hamas cannot be in power and is not allowed to rearm. Qatar has said they would guarantee that hamas maintains its obligations with regards to the deal.
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2024-01-06
I have bad news about those people
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2024-01-06
That would surely shatter any illusion that taking hostages was done in a humanitarian way As if that were even possible
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2024-01-06
That won't stop the rest of the world from condeming Israel for defending itself.
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2024-01-06
It was sarcasm. He blamed on this governments with scary drones causing all of this. My point is that barbarians did not stop existing just because we invented the internet. Some people do not wish to coexist with you to the point of putting explosives on their children in the hopes they might kill you.
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2024-01-06
Depends on what the orders were. If they were to throw rioters out the white house like he wanted then yes I think they would have listened. I think the issue is that he wants voting to be more like other more democratic countries that require citizenship identification and restrictions on particular practices susceptible to fraud like mail in ballots. And because the Democrats are against those which looks highly suspicious, Trump accuses them of false plays. And people interpret that as Trump being against democracy where in fact looking at the details in his policies, he's actually trying to bring it up to standard of other democratic countries. But he talk quite belligerantly so people think he's a meanie that wants to overthrow the government.
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2024-01-06
I'm just saying that this is a very serious allegation that would be stronger if bolstered by a serious source, which is not a reach. It's just basic journalism.
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2024-02-06
The connection was that I thought it is inaccurate. Selling the country to the highest bidder also means decreasing the reach and power of the government by leaving more to free market capitalism which is the libertarian leaning policy which is significant to why people want him - to help with the economy & improve peoples quality of life with decreasing cost of living. The first term was fine, he held a stable economy, improved funding for predominantly black colleges, steadily increased employment rates until he dealt moderately fine with covid compared to other similar nations. He definitely would not just break any laws, I'm not sure why you would think that other than being told it by uninformed media. He would like to stay in for another term because he doesn't like the democrat alternative, as is his right to run for election to. You could say he wants immunity for prosecution or you could say he want to fight an overt weaponisation of the judicial system to persecute a political opponent. Unless you really do feel that strongly about mislabeling an expense.
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2024-02-06
They thought it was Palestinian civilians and not their own
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Uhhhh how is this not an onion article
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2024-31-05
how much are the puppies paid to do this stressful work. how can we prevent their human caretakers from stealing their money. they should get their own trailer and essential vitamin water with a side of kibbles.
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2024-31-05
Well the owners can take their puppies for Pilates and acupuncture before gym. At least the owners can say they have been to Pilates and the gym while enjoying the the baguettes and 2 Cappuccino's.
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2024-31-05
Goldmember was in 2002, so closer to 20 years than 30.
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2024-01-06
In that case, make your own choice to eat animal products or not rather than telling billions of people in developing countries to starve.
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2024-01-06
World news is 99% the world being on fire, then out of nowhere the Dutch decided that this is a pressing matter.
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2024-01-06
Because literally no one in the developing world has internet access? Wow, that seems pretty prejudiced to me. Vegans frequently argue for idiotic plans to veganize the whole world even though doing so in places like Sudan would cause mass starvation. Vegans just say "well they can just develop agriculture" while not realizing that some places are not suited for agriculture, for example, in places like Sudan where almost nothing grows and thus people rely on raising livestock for meat and milk in order to not starve. There is no amount of money or science that can transform a place like Sudan into a breadbasket (at least places far from the Nile, where plenty of people live) When people criticize the impracticality of vegan plans for rearranging global diets and agriculture, instead of actually debating or defending their plans on their own merits using argumentation, so many vegans like you resort to ad hominems and accuse the other side of just being fat slobs who want an excuse to continue eating meat. You always assume we have a disagreement about the ethics of eating meat or just want an excuse to continue eating meat, even though most of us just acknowledge that being a vegan is only possible in the first world. Whether or not we agree with the ethics of eating meat has nothing to do with arguments about practicality. I agree: in a world where non-animal products were easily available to every single human being, then yes, eating or using animal products would be unethical. We don't live in that world. Himalayans need sheep wool to not freeze to death and goat meat to not starve. I don't care about meat, I can live fine on rice and beans every day. But most vegans I've talked to scoff at you when you tell them that veganism is impossible and even deadly if implemented globally *right now*, they sincerely believe the whole world has to conform to their diet no matter the circumstances. It doesn't matter if you're a pastoralist in Central Asia where literally nothing grows, or a fisher in Somalia or Sudan where nothing grows, so many vegans are offended if you remind them that these people don't have the option of becoming vegan *because nothing grows where they live* and because their economies aren't in a position to import food on a large scale. Not only that, but there are tribes that have traditionally hunted for millennia. Suddenly forcing them to give up their way of life is going to cause conflict. There's already enough conflict in India because schizo Hindu extremists attack Muslims for eating beef.
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Do you actually believe you can ever farm in places like the Himalayas or the Sahara? And what about tribes that traditionally hunt for food? Are you going to force them to become farmers? Look at India: extremist Hindus frequently attack Muslims for eating beef. Is that what you're advocating for?
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2024-01-06
Didn't read. Don't care.
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2024-01-06
Some people have too much money. In China they eat crushed rhino horn and in Amsterdam they attend puppy yoga. Anything to fill the void.
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End this strife in the Middle East. The US isn’t getting richer on all of this and we should be focusing our attention/ resources towards matters that are really important right now: Ukraine/ Russia and Taiwan/ China.
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2024-31-05
If you actually cared about Israelis you wouldn’t be pushing this lie. If Biden forced Americans to live like Palestinians do in the West Bank you would see atheist moderate Americans doing hamas shit too.
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I mean, the Palestinians were defeated decades ago. Been living under a pretty brutal military blockade for the past 15yrs. Difficult to imagine a situation where forced desperation, poverty and isolation will lead to anything other than retaliation and reprisal.
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They don’t necessarily need to have them if they can augment on site small scale arms manufacturing with weapons smuggling from bad faith outside actors. The fact that they’re still launching rockets is proof alone that they’re capable of waging war even if there’s no way for them to win. The fact that Hamas hasn’t surrendered is half the problem in the first place. As an aside, there’s no historical example exactly like this scenario so there’s no need to pick apart a comparison that’s made to make a specific point. Is it that hard to see the point that although Hamas currently isn’t able repeat October 7th, what guarantees does Israel have that they won’t eventually attain that capability again with time?
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2024-31-05
Kind of a stretch to call it a state. For the past 20-25 years its been more of a quarantine zone than a state, really.
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2024-31-05
Someone isn't remember 911. You don't need a lot of resources to conduct evil on a massive scale.
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2024-31-05
Could dig a little trench and then pump seawater to the top and let it flow back into the sea. Couple weeks and you have a nice mini-canyon. It's all soft, sandy dirt anyway. That's why they could dig so many tunnels to begin with.
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2024-31-05
All quite guerrilla. It’s not like they have a port or access point to trade …outside of Israel.
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2024-31-05
Ah yes, this is why Egypt, Jordan and practically the entire Middle East want nothing to do with them right? Go figure
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2024-31-05
One issue is that the PA's own educational curriculum and TV, including children's TV in many ways promotes Hamas POV that it is a religious conflict and a religious obligation to kill Jews and recapture the Temple Mount. What passes for education from UNRWA would be considered child abuse in any other society. Israel wanted to get rid of Hamas in 2009 but the PA and Egypt refused to help govern Gaza afterwards.
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2024-31-05
Hence the "strongman" bit.
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2024-31-05
Holy shit what an incredibly stupid thing to say. Now when the next attack happens it'll be fuel against him for being lax and misguided.
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2024-31-05
I’m sorry but this distinction you make between Hamas and the ordinary Palestinians is simply not supported by reality. Some 70-90% of the Palestinians depending on location support October 7th. If there were elections now, Hamas would win by a landslide. The PLO, allegedly the moderates, pay terrorists in a pay-for-slay scheme, the more they murdered the more they get. Any talk of a Palestinian state at this stage creates an automatic connection in the eyes of the people in the Middle East that it was the Hamas attack that initiated this talk, I.e. Hamas is responsible for the establishment of the Palestinian state. This will embolden further terrorists and enemies of Israel to follow Hamas. That’s how they see it, and that’s why talking about it right now is disastrous and completely detrimental to any efforts of peace. Peace in the Middle East can only be achieved from a position of power, and following a total defeat of Hamas. Even mentioning it before is harmful. And even after that, it will take decades of deradicalization which will be several orders of magnitude more difficult than the one done in post ww2 Germany in order for the Palestinians to reach a state where they can establish a peaceful regime because there’s a religious aspect to their hatred which is much harder to combat. This whole talk is decades prematurely and is outright destructive. Let Israel finish the job, we live here, we know what must be done. Overnight solutions have never and will never work here. The defeat of Hamas must be COMPLETELY detached from any talk about a Palestinian state in order for it to have any chance for success.
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2024-31-05
What are the odds Hamas takes this deal and keeps it? A permanent peace means they have to give up their never-hidden mission of conquering the entire former Mandate of Palestine. If they give that up, they become superfluous.
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2024-31-05
Show me one that says this will happen before the next US presidential election.
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2024-31-05
Gallant's argument was that Netanyahu has a plan. He just doesn't want to discuss it because it will be unpopular. Occupy Gaza long-term and chop it up into security zones like the West Bank with military roads.
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Its historical revisionism to say Japan was on the cusp of surrender. That's simply not true. Every estimate was that they were prepared to fight against an invasion of the island, and that such an invasion would have caused far more fatalities than the atomic bombings, civilian and military alike. Likely an order of magnitude greater. There is no consensus that in the circumstances the atomic bombing were morally unjust.
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And this war has about a 1:1 ratio, the lowest ever seen in urban combat. [Israel has set a new standard of care](https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286) in this war that TikTok videos blithely ignore
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2024-31-05
>Overnight solutions have never and will never work here. No one is saying it would be overnight. >we live here, we know what must be done. What's your opinion on settlements
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Just build a really deep moat.
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You know a good chunk of this is SA’s ideas. Most articles on the agreement have said the Palestinian Statehood and the after war plans is part of THEIR demands. It’s sure not going to be part of Israel and the US’s demands. Saudi is looking for a NATO style Article 5 agreement with the US. I’m sure they will do whatever they can to get that deal or even a lesser version of it. Also, who’s going to over throw them exactly when they have massive US backing with this deal.
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Why was Hamas just able to just end elections? I feel like that was the biggest flaw in the system here
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They just have different enemies. Make no mistake if the Saudis could get away with it, they treat their Shia population like how Hamas treated the Jews on October 11.
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I wonder if making Gaza an island is easier at this point. Or a peninsula, just make sure it only connects to Egypt.
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Exactly. Each time one side commits violence on the other it causes the other side to ratchet up the violence too. Repeat until doomsday.
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Likud has been openly pro settlement for decades now, probably more than a quarter century, and you can't be pro settlement and pro creation of a palestinian state as that is easily one of the biggest impediments to any two state solution. This isn't about "rewarding terrorism", It's an active plan to make a two state solution impossible, which makes violence innevitable and is a long term attempt to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from the west bank and from Gaza to acheive ""between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."
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IDF should just divert the sea and flood the tunnels. Job done 👍
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The great part is Saudi citizens don't matter. Mohammed bin Salman Al Saud is really the only one that matter. He never really cared about the Palestinians. His priorities are countering Iran.
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Yeah and the outcry will be far less.
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SA negotiating is really the only viable and realistic option I can think of, nobody in the West wants to be involved (and they would not be welcome), out of countries in the region SA is the closest thing to neutral there is. The only other realistic option is that Israel goes back to occupation by themselves, and nobody wants that. It's easy to criticize but hard to think of a workable alternative.
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Just flood the place. Shoot anything that floats to the surface
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This reads like fiction. How will they agree on borders?
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Drop a MOAB on Gaza, the overpressure will kill anyone still left in the tunnels.
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Saudi is sort of too important not to invest in. Same could be said of Turkey. Americans on both sides of the political aisle find the middle east to be mountain of crap.
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Are you suggesting that there was a deal with Taliban when the US left?
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That was 1995. Israel proposed or agreed to international peace deals in 2003(?) and 2008.
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* for at least another few months
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>He has not reached out to Arab governments and the Palestinian Authority to come up with a plan to build a new government. I mean the best and most long lasting post war plan involves an enforced mass migration of the entire gaza population into Iran. Fuck the Ayatollah. He loves hamas and little terrorists so much, let him stay with the Palestinians forever and ever. Since Iran has been causing issues and funding terrorism around the middle east forever, it's high time Iran got to the finding out part after fucking around
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Ideally, both sides will eventually swallow their respective pride and prioritize their children's safety. More likely, this will continue until one side is annihilated or permanently subdued by the other.
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Eh, while I am skeptical that SA would agree to such a plan, their agreement isn’t the achilles heel of the plan. The question is “*Will the Saudis actually use force against Palestinians to seize weapons & prevent attacks?*” & “*Will the Saudis stick around when their troops are targeted by Palestinian suicide bombers?*”. Even if SA agrees to implement the plan, getting them to follow through on those two issues is much more doubtful.
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