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Yeah, I'd say there's one or two differences between this conflict and the vietnam war... It's a dumb reference.
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None of this says anything about Saudis sending troops to help found a Palestinian state. In fact all this article really says is that the deal is in jeopardy because of the Palestinian issue which many believe was Hamas's goal in launching this war in the first place...
The article even goes as far as to say:
>Another concern is that Saudi Arabia might accept the deal, including normalisation with Israel, without securing concrete commitments from Tel Aviv to establish a Palestinian state.
*Just like every other Arab country that has relations with Israel.*
Whatever plan there may be for a democratic Palestinian state with Saudi troops is a fucking insane pipe dream that's just gonna push the US out of the loop as Israel and the Saudis eventually will just make a deal on their own without those things.
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There is a huge difference between being willing to have “*diplomatic relations*” & engaging in gun battles between Saudi troops & Palestinian militants in the streets of Gaza.
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The fact that SA is even demanding the formation of a Palestinian State says they want to get involved. If they weren’t making that demand the deal would be much easier to negotiate. If they have this agreement in place it means they have US weapons and possible troops of any proxy group attacks them. I think you are missing alot of context of this deal.
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2024-31-05
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What happens in 18 years?
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2024-31-05
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Didn’t they launch rockets just last week?
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2024-31-05
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Won't be long until they are capable again. The ideology of hate and martyrdom is powerful.
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So you believe most Gazans would rather die than surrender?
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There was effectively a violent power struggle between Fatah \[1\] and Hamas after the latter was elected to govern Gaza. Basically the western powers were quite displeased with Hamas being elected as it threatened the promised peace of the Oslo accords and so they were trying to find ways for Fatah to regain power in Gaza. This caused a fissure between Hamas and PLO and they eventually fought over military control in Gaza which Hamas won. Now, Gaza and West Bank are de facto two separate states.
\* led by Abbas, ruling from the West Bank as the president of the PLO which held internationally recognized legitimacy to govern all of Palestine following the Oslo Accords, a precursor to subsequent two-state negotiations that normalized relations between Palestine and Israel.
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We tried this once. Take an aggressor, bomb them, add punishing peace terms, and hope that their disarming is permanent. 21 year later, WW2 started.
We need reeducation. Disarming gets undone.
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2024-31-05
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Not a deal, just a wolf on edge of the field that the shepherd thought he could ignore.
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2024-31-05
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If Saudi put troops in Gaza, I give it an over/under of 10 days before those troops are targeted by a local militant group.
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2024-31-05
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What led to the violent power struggle rather than waiting around for the next election?
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Again you’re blaming me for something that some “I don’t know who” said or did of which I have no clue, jumping to completely wrong conclusions, mixing completely irrelevant issues and events and topping it all off with a clear and profound lack of any idea of the reality on the ground in a place that you claim to be knowledgeable about. I’m willing to discuss facts, not your imaginary demons. It’s clear that this is not your intention and it’s obvious you think you already know everything better than a guy who literally lives here, so I don’t see much point in continuing this discourse. I can’t educate someone who doesn’t want to learn, and I have no intention to waste my time banging my head against the wall while trying. You want to live in a world of delusions? Fine by me. But one day you might be in for a very rude awakening.
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Only about 80%, more than the support for any Democratic government on earth. They support Hamas much more than Israel supports Bibi. Why would you think otherwise when every data point indicates this, not to mention anecdotal evidence. One can only assume you haven’t watched the 10/7 videos and are very confused about what Palestinians are.
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Hamas will rebuild. My guess is that the real problem is the impossibility of destroying hamas. Anyone off the street can join it and no one would know. And with so many civilians just scrambling around there’s no way to catch all of hamas. Basically there’s no guarantee for anything unless israel kills everyone and it cant do that.
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2024-01-06
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Muslim on Muslim violence doesn’t count apparently
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2024-01-06
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killing thousands of civilians and destroying their homes creates terrorists even if the population is already radicalized. how much of the population do you think Israel would be justified in killing to eliminate Hamas? bc it sounds like you’re saying keep going no matter what until Hamas is fully eliminated
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2024-01-06
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Saudi has 282,000 members of their various military branches - 75,000 of which are ground forces.
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2024-01-06
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Like Japan. Like Gaza. Technology doesn’t overcome human shields. There is no way of avoiding civilian casualties in Gaza like there wasn’t in Okinawa. Bomb the enemy…you’re bombing civilians. Raid the enemy…you can’t identify who the soldiers are.
You’re living in a fantasy land…and also just completely ignorant about world war 2.
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2024-01-06
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Why don’t we dig Gaza down to the bedrock layer Minecraft style and then the two nations will be far enough apart that they can both cool off.
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2024-01-06
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That's good right? They can finally deal with the extremist elements of Palestinian society without the scrutiny that Israel faces.
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2024-01-06
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Huh TIL. Are any of them Saudi nationals?
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2024-01-06
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The bombs saved lives. Hundreds of thousands of civilian lives.
The only possible alternative was that the Soviets invasion would have naturally caused surrender. But we weren’t in the business of relying on the Soviets at that point.
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It didn't start from him. Clinton was desperate to appease the Palestinians and to be the man responsible for solving the Palestinian conflict. He was also responsible for massively increasing funding to Palestine in 1993.
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There's a difference between wanting a plan for a PA state vs. wanting to be in charge of running it. Also, you realize they have a small military of about 270k soldiers. Most of them are not combat troops. When they've deployed troops in the past it's almost all foreign military contractors from other Muslim countries such as Pakistan.
I think you are very optimistic about SA willingness to commit troops for a long-term peacekeeping mission that would be extremely expensive and politically charged. I'm not sure what context I'm missing because the Saudis have been clear on not making any commitments beyond trying to maintain a normalization process between them, Israel, and the US. I also think the context that's missing from your analysis is what the House of Saud wants vs. what the general population of Saudi Arabia wants. The House of Saud who rule SA care about economic partnership with Israel and military protection from the US.
If you look at the history of Arab/PA relations - this is a continuation of their rhetorical support for the state of Palestine with policies that don't align with their rhetoric. Qatar has openly rejected being a part of any post-Gaza War planning or administration.
[https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2020/02/foreign-contract-soldiers-in-the-gulf?lang=en¢er=middle-east](https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2020/02/foreign-contract-soldiers-in-the-gulf?lang=en¢er=middle-east)
[https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/21/why-arab-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/21/why-arab-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277)
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Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians in 2005. Are you delusional?
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Good, then they should fucking kill every last Palestinian I guess. That’ll make sure they can never regroup. Cause you know, after what they’ve been through, they certainly all want to retaliate now. Better not stop until they are all dust and blood. Serves them right, huh mate? Good thing Israel will finally destroy all the evil in their region and leave only the good and just. Good on them.
Fuck off you murderous basement troll.
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If letting Saudi Arabia into Gaza is just part of the price to pay for normalization and a tripartite pact with the US as the third wheel, the Israelis would be fine with it.
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I haven’t read up on this but I’d imagine these tunnels are more than just a “few weeks” operation. They likely need a lot of time and effort to use as real arteries of movement for equipment
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I think what Gallant was saying is that Bibi’s plan is to not have a plan so that Israel ends up doing the minimum amount to provide their own security and maintains freedom of action to go into Gaza as needed. Basically coasting into a unilateral minimalist situation where the IDF suppresses terrorism but does only the minimum required to keep Gazans alive and they don’t get any significant rebuilding assistance.
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> you can't be pro settlement and pro creation of a palestinian state
It *is* possible, but that'd require asserting that the Palestinian state consists of only the Gaza Strip.
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They left Gaza in 2005. They tried to give it to Egypt, Egypt didn't want it.
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He didn't fund Hamas, he allowed aid from other countries to reach the governing body of the region which is Hamas. With that logic the US is funding Hamas with the dock they built in Gaza recently.
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Nothing against missles, Warlord Selssim will be pleased
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It’s not a given that the US would’ve had to do a full scale land invasion. There’s a solid argument to be made that the Soviets getting involved would’ve led to Japan’s surrender before America invaded
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This is an oversimplified take and ignores the context of the Soviets getting involved in the conflict. It’s not that black and white
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That will never happen.
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Terrorists no terrorising!
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Just like the republican national convention!
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2024-01-06
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I'm not sure I follow you. Well, I didn't follow the original commentator either regarding "canyon".
Ostensibly, to end the tunnel threat, it should be enough to just dig a canal, no pumping involved. Hamas will have to dig several times deeper and they don't have the tools for this.
The only caveat is that this will damage nearby aquifers, which may constitute an *actual* war crime. Difficult to say. I thought the original commentator was proposing something to this effect. Didn't quite see the point of pumping and flowing, but that's all.
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Why not just split the land Avatar style?
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> the person's idea who I replied to
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I don't ever foresee a future where either SA or USA will govern over Palestine. This will cause major complications. For example if SA/USA is administering Palestine then will Palestinians become SA/USA citizens? If so, then SA/USA can't legally stop them from migrating in. If they don't get citizenship rights, then it's effectively a colony, which will draw flak from UN and other democratic nations. There will be too many challanges for the state which is governing a failed state like Palestine.
This is a headache which made sense post WWII to denazify and demilitarize the two nations that waged war against the rest of the world. But Palestinians don't have any capability to wage war. And their population is highly radicalized and impoverished which will drain resources from the governing nations, and they will still be caged inside the Palestine state. And if they are still caged inside their territory while resources flow in from SA/USA, I'm pretty much sure that HAMAS or fragments of HAMAS will rise and attack Israel again.
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Because people trying to argue every Palestinian is Hamas does it to try and justify slaughtering civilians
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it’s jewish water
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Nobody comes out on top after doomsday. It’s doomsday. Everyone dies in that scenario.
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> Speak to pro-Palestine people in person.
I have. You should give it a try.
>they have nothing to do with Palestine
No one is saying Hamas has “nothing to do with Palestine” lol. What’s the point of lying?
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Lots of Colombians.
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same with Egypt. Democracy meant Muslim Brotherhood and they had to shut that shit down. Unfortunately democracy isn't the best form of government for all of societies
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The proposal is dead on arrival. This is just desperation from the Biden administration.
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Pretty sure the Six Day War easily beats this.
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I mean they did decent in Afghanistan.
14k KIA over 9 years and most urban areas were under their control while foreign agents funded their opponents.
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Russian people would probably not accept that as legitimate. It's like if maga was a country over there.
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2024-31-05
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The Ukrainian pilots have been training for months now, probably.
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2024-31-05
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Pretty sure the 38th parallel is the Korean DMZ.
Vietnam is much further south, try the 17th parallel.
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Napoleon marched in to Russia with the combined armies of France, Austria, Prussia, and I think Spain. He suffered something like 90% losses.
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They didn't realize how badly their army had rotted with corruption.
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$100 million could still mean you might get it for $10000 on Alibaba though..
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Many (12 pilots iirc) have already finished the first phase of training in Arizona. I think they’re moving to the next phase in Europe.
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Setting the table... Dinner will be served soon and it's gonna be real cold...
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maybe on par with the disastrous Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05
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They expected to see all the tanks and armored vehicles that vastly outnumbered anything Ukraine had at the time and expected Ukraine to roll over instead of getting destroyed. And it wasn’t a totally ridiculous idea. That is pretty much what happened to Crimea. There was political chaos in Ukraine at the time, but they rolled in and installed a puppet legislation that said Crimea was now part of Russia. And no one did anything. So Putin thought he could just repeat that.
Problem is, the first time he didn’t spend many months compiling an entire army along the border. This gave Ukraine enough time for America to import Javelins and other useful materials, train on those new weapons, and have America advise them on how best to defend against an army with superior numbers.
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Enough vodka you will believe anything
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I really enjoyed the videos of “plastic explosive” that was wood blocks wrapped in paper.
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Fertile land absolutely ridden with corpses, metal fragments, landmines, and other UXO poisoning it
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He did at least result in Moscow being set on fire, so, cheers Napoleon
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Which supposedly cost about 100k for the most high end ones iirc so not even a million bucks if they did send 7 like someone else mentioned
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They did decent by what metric? The US were there with a similar sized force for twice as long and lost less than 2k to enemy action.
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That's a shame 🍿
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Can you elaborate a bit on Russian incompetence caused by sabotage?
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'Bled out' is overstating it. Around a million enemy dead to our 60k. We didnt' lose militarily. Our society just stopped supporting the war, which is what democracy is kind of for.
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I'm only speculating, but we saw lots of examples of supposedly gross incompetence. It could be down to "Herp derp forgot about logistics" like people have been saying, or it could have been due to misinformation being put up the chain of command, saboteurs within the Russian army, etc etc. It seems likely because Ukraine and USA had clearly both been anticipating and cooperating on preparations for this invasion.
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The Persian / Sassanian invasion of the East Roman Empire would have to rank up there as well.
One of the most brutal wars in history and accomplished nothing.
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The thing about Japan and Germany is they stopped fighting, they surrendered. They *wanted* to reform for the most part.
There is no way Russians all lay down and take a NATO or EU backed regime to rule the country just like Afghanistan didn't. The occupation force would have to be massive to keep a lid on things, and most likely incite more resistance with its presence. Weapons are going to be smuggled in across their huge borders from China, North Korea, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Armenia, Belarus, etc. The big catch with democracy is they could also just referendum the western powers out and wipe out western legitimacy overnight if occupation continues or the referendum is sidelined artificially.
Afghanistan wasn't going to work out. Shit was corrupt all the way through, motivation was pretty bad, and the insurgents were getting stronger not weaker over time. Votes from pacifists don't do shit to warlords willing to fight.
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The drones they are talking about are based on basically a Ukraine made cessna style aircraft with some steering controls built in. I'd guess the cost per is something like 150k, but even assuming 200k that means for less than a million they took down something that cost 100 million.
That seems like pretty good math to me.
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nothing like using a $1 solution to a $10000 problem. this is what we call economy of force.
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Don't forget the dude can also do backflips. In HEELS.
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It's almost as if the 38th parallel doesn't go through Vietnam.
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For the past several months Russia has had minor success in grinding their way forward a few kilometers here or there while taking heavy losses in both men and vehicles. A key component of their success has been the widespread use of glide bombs, which can be launched from Russian territory in relative safety. These weapons are also fairly inexpensive and for now Ukraine has no silver bullet to stop them. Also, Russian drone jamming near the front lines has apparently improved, so we may need to see some hardening of signal strength.
Recently Ukraine has been targeting just about anything in Crimea that uses radar and blowing them up. Also we are seeing longer range, larger drones successfully hitting military airfields and oil industry targets.
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That totally ignores the very large amount of equipment they (RU) have used from Soviet stocks. With that included, the effective Russian budget is way, way higher.
It’s also why their military will be crippled for a long time. Most of those once truly VAST stocks are gone now… and it will take decades to replace.
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Yup, they will mostly sling HARMs and air to ground munitions, maybe also air to air when necessary (like for incoming cruise missiles to take some load off the SAMs)
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>Russia has the most sophisticated air defence and missile system in the world.
That's what Russian propaganda keeps repeating. Reality tell it's vastly overrated and largely overpriced junk.
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Yes, let's all trust the uneducated rantings of an anti-semitic, anti-vax lunatic. Truly the most reliable of all sources...
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Starshield is military, starlink is civilian. And it is currently one of the most important systems operating in Ukraine.
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The Philippines is such a sociological specimen. Those people got the grit of like 5 nations in them.
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he said it best in an answer to a question after his speech, "filipinos do not yield."
have to say was never a fan of the marcoses for obvious reasons but his speech was delivered quite well
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I liked his point that if we're going to be using old maps, the English likely would have something to say about the region.
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So attack on private fishing (not public vessels) on water (not metropolitan or island territory) can't trigger it, did I get it right?
If the interpretation is right then China can, as long as its target is not state asset (aka private ship), PH can't invoke the treaty
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It's funny some people think that's enough for the US to start a war with china. They've sacrificed Ukraine for 2 years before even allowing their weapons to hit Russia. Russia is fkin assbackwards and can't win sht and the US still won't fight, they'll sacrifice all of the Philippines without a second thought. The UN did it in Rwanda among many other places.
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IMO It's always been the natural state of things unfortunately, what is rare is that we have had peace for the last 30 years, that's mainly because US/West was the sole global superpower/hegemony.
Now authoritarian states which have gotten more powerful and are more confident in wanting to challenge this world order. What's ironic is the West has traded with these states, and allowed them to grow wealthy and powerful, thinking that they would eventually grow democratic and peaceful.
We should have demanded these states transitioned to democracy before we allowed to trade with them, this was a huge mistake and now we're paying for it.
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If it makes you feel any better they're both issues of excessive temperatures not suitable for life. So really it's the same thing.
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2024-31-05
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Fuck Putin!
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Putin should be grateful that Biden has told them they can only hit military targets. If he does not zip it, maybe they will be told they can bomb Moscow.
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