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Well, he seemed to not care about the immigrants, actually. 
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You're thinking of Mach. Macron is the 1993 Spanish hit song by duo Los Del Río.
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We do. It’s not a matter of “believing” polls. It’s a matter of entrenched voters. 
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2024-10-06
Immigration is a huge concern for people in Europe including the UK. The problem is it's only going to become more of a problem as the effects of climate change become more and more profound. I predict that in the future, the measures through which it will have to be dealt with are going to be rather more militant in nature and in direct conflict with the core values of Europe post WW2. That's going to cause a re-evaluation of the rights of asylum seekers. I wish it were different but the truth is countries do not seem to be able to facilitate the growth of infrastructure, economies, housing, services and social communities at rates that can keep up which is causing scarcity that people are very aware of. It's not immigration that most people are opposed to, it's the lack of traction in creating surplus of these needs.
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Their circumstances are a global inflation though. Crime rates have actually decreased. The US thinks it's the only country in the world with inflation and is ignorant at best. Presidents do not influence global inflation. People are hurting? They are whining because media is owned by Sinclair. And is regurgitating the same thing over and over. People haven't cut spending though, which is the historical pattern of hurting.
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2024-10-06
Couldn't even name policies. Instead it's local crimes (local) and inflation which is currently global with the US at a far less inflationary metric than Europe.
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The seeds of these issues had been planted well before harambe died. If you were aware you could see this coming since 2014.
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Information doesn’t matter if your society can function on a very basic level.
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No shit. If for whatever reason he's singling Americans out and trying to simplify things for us then he should at least be hip with the proper vernacular to do so.
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By the way, what are the policies themselves? 1. Local crimes are handled by Local and State elections. And if police have no funding to hire police, that's on the GOP that have been cutting the budgets left and right to not increase local taxes on you. Part of local taxation is that. 2. Inflation is global. At current time, we have multiple issues happening such as supply chain issues across countries, weather patterns that are disrupting normal supply chains, a gas war with Saudi Arabia/Russia that are allied, and corporate revenue increasing (notice how all the grocery stores didn't loose last year). We also have statistically less inflation than Europe. Where does the President come into this? Can he dictate a company? 3. You also aware that all local news stations are Sinclair owned and have been pushing the far right agenda to Americans? They are afterall a conservative corporate company.
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Here in NL the right wing parties are actually calling for more nuclear whilst the left (stupidly) is against it. I voted left but do think that Nuclear energy will provide to be a valuable asset in combating climate change.
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Ah, the age old answer to "these words hurt my ego and I must demean them". Pro tip: it's your conscience telling you you're full of shit. But you do you I guess. May you get to live as alone as you're desperately trying to.
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> none of you have the guts to argue with me Theres no arguing with you when you're acting in bad faith. You know who is an actual existential threat to gay people? The islamofacists who call for shit-ree-ha law and global caliphate. The very same who stone gays and throw them off roofs.
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Dude is clearly exhausted by this fence sitting bullshit that rightists try to argue every time this discussion comes up, so I’ll take the pass on this one. When anyone, and I mean anyone, talks about left leaning talking points as “woke” or “wokism”, it’s a huge red flag right away that some dog whistle, bad faith bullshit is about to come out of their mouth. And it’s truly like clockwork. He talks about having left leaning opinions, doing all the qualifying he can before making the turn (mentioning “wokism”) then says what he’s actually here to say. Which is that, despite all these other convictions he apparently holds, he votes to the right because of only this one right leaning opinion of his. It’s a classic tactic to remove themself from the side of the “enemy” so they can legitimize their opposing opinion in the eyes of the person they are qualifying their opinion in the direction of. You talk about people like the guy you replied to being bad for political discourse, but the only reason they are refusing to engage past their original comment is because he’s not fucking stupid, like I am. He knows that you and the person you’re defending aren’t actually interested in the debate. You’re only interested in watering down your own points just enough to back away from as soon as some legitimately strong arguments are thrown in your direction. Arguing with you and the guy he replied to was always going to end one way. So why would they even bother?
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yes, these right wing leader are definitely gonna fixed the immigration crisis that is a global geopolitical issue, just like Trump’s war and Tori’s brexit did so splendidly, any day now /s
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multiple things can be an existential threat, I'd prefer none of them
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For example the German SPD, their old chancellor helmet Schmidt Said we must stop migration from foreign cultures. The SPD and the responsible minister Nancy Faeser are way more left.
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Not easily addressable when major parties don’t want to re-write immigration legislation. That may change now but only time will tell
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How foolish to not be able to recognize that Islam is the single greatest threat to gay rights across the entire world. You’re a frog in a pot of water.
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Legit curious - why is your biggest issue?
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Could you elaborate why immigration outweighs all other issues for you?
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Housing has been made worse by NIMBY's and planning laws. If anything we need more immigration to build more houses more affordably
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Also Hungarian Fidesz is non affiliated.
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Definitely needed for maintaining the economy by bringing in highly skilled workers in tech, healthcare, scientific research, etc.
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Smaller, poorer but pretyy eco friendly countries don't want to shatter their economy for example taxing people driving older cars (because poor people can't afford newer cars) and also small industry companies are already struggling. This is the biggest problem with mandatory eco-course. Take Latvia for example where 1/2 of land is forest and people are mindful of enivronment.
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NIMBY’s are a bane on housing everywhere, but a lot of progressives become them when they become homeowners. No western country is gonna be able to build housing at a level to support recent levels of immigration, and it’s impossible to claim that 10’s of millions of immigrants aren’t causing a housing supply issue. There’s more than one component to the issue
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The EU, an organization of 27 European countries, has its own parliament. There was just an election and overall the parliament shifted to the right. Many people believe that immigration is one of the main issues driving politics in that direction.
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Re; Germany, that's already required and has been.
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Is the auto mod broken? Ah good this one stayed on.
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I think part of that issue is, again an unrealised emotional response to the racist anti-immigration group. People so frequently hide behind "Concerns" about immigration to hide their racism, pretending it has a basis in logic. That a lot of people hear anything vaguely anti-immigration and lurch into an emotional response from being tired of all the people being racist. Subsequently. The actual issues lots of immigration can cause can't be discussed.
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Lot of the jobs that need filling are not super high training. Remember that EU alone runs a deficit of almost 2 million pairs of hands, yearly. Specialists are of course great gets from abroad, but they're not a big group.
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liberals like to think that all cultures world wide hold same values as the liberals themselves. well, time to wake up.
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Nursing in the US is a 4 year degree or more.
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Cheap labour, pensions
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Not really. My lecturers at University were of the same ilk. They're all upper middle class and don't live in the areas where unsettled migration does the biggest damage. Because it's all academic to them, or a purity of ideals thought experiment. It's the working classes who have to actually deal with the outcomes.  I consider myself liberal, but this is the left. You're putting your head in the sand to suggest otherwise. 
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Ahh yes, the Marshall Plan helped _white_ people.
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I agree with you (I am also from Poland by the way), the left needs better means of outreach, cause what's the plan good for if you don't have ways to implement it and that ultimately gives far-roght the opportunity. It goes for many other issues as well. The immigration and asylum laws have to be re-worked in balanced way: to ensure safety of both European citizens and asylum seekers (e.g. international treaties, screening infrastructure), while constantly working on better means of governance (e.g. temporal housing, legal council, non-ghetto inducing living arrangements). Control over integration and offical programs overseeing the education/job programmes would be a valid approach as well. But for these projects to start, the issues need to be succesfully highlighted as institutional or systemic issues, not identity (i.e. personal) ones.
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Single issue voters are a disease
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The left was part of the opposition. They did not make the laws regarding illegal migration. They were not in power. This fallacy is really common nowadays in European countries with a centre right or centre coalition, such as my own country and the parliament themselves. You can’t blame a party that is not in power for the current policy.
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Which country is that? Sane leftists sure feel like an endangered species these days.
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Agreed. Or they need to try and address those complex factors before they're not in a position to do so anymore.
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People say this because its easy to imagine a simple, non-controversial hypothetical candidate. But people are complicated, and voters diverse. Every candidate will have problems, and bits one democrat wants to keep about a candidate are bits another wants to change.
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I disagree. We have one of the best public transport systems in Europe, especially for a city our size. There are PLENTLY of models of cars that don't fall foul of ULEZ, there were scrappage schemes and grants for businesses and the disabled to get new vehicles if needed, people have several years warning about the ULEZ expansion, and it's estimated to have already saved thousands of lives. This is the level of commitment we're going to need to actually not destroy the world: people are gonna need to drive less, or get more eco-friendly vehicles, and similar decisions.
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That seems overly broad to be honest. I used to feel the same, but then I started actually listening to my extremely conservative family and friends with the intent of understanding what they were saying. Asking questions, but mostly listening. And when I asked questions, I framed my leftist remarks in *their* lingo to disarm them and prove points that they would find harder to disagree with. It's all anecdotal, though. Few normal people probably want to admit to themselves that they have racist friends and family. And some of my family definitely are racist. Friends, no so much because you of course pick and choose them. But I heavily disagree with the common thought that right-wingers in the USA are mask-wearing racists who believe in replacement theory. A good number, sure. The rightwing here is definitely a cult at a certain point, and a lot of people are sucked into and refuse a helping hand to get pulled out of it (but look at how I characterized them right there; why *would* they trust a thing I say about them?). My general takeaway has been that immigrations has less to do with race and more to do with cultural and economic changes. The right-wingers in my life *generally* oppose even immigrants from Europe and AUS/NZ beyond a point. Our cultures are broadly compatible, but immigration just pours jet fuel on an already harsh economic reality for domestic workers. Reddit doesn't want to accept the reality of how many of tech colleagues have turned on immigration after being personally affected by the H1B scheme. You get 1 manager who came over on H1B on a team and they, more often than not in our experiences, PIP the rest of the team down in order to replace them with H1B talent until teams are entirely comprised of that. Or you get the scenarios where workers get mass fired, and their severance is contingent on training their imported replacements, when it flies in the face of the Labor Market Test, which the government doesn't do jack squat about. Immigration is a huge problem, and it is going to deliver true fascism to our countries if we don't stop associating immigration skepticism/rationalism with the most extreme racist rhetoric the right can muster. It is quickly becoming a universal bipartisan issue here and, apparently, in Europe. Especially in Europe, where their refugees are predominately male *and* an increasing source of terrorism.
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Who decides what is just and unjust? The people.
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Are you seriously arguing that there’s any world in which banning books or same sex marriage is okay?
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>Ah, the age old answer to "these words hurt my ego and I must demean them". That's rich, coming from the person who flung the first arrow and preemptively accused people of being Nazis for not full throatily endorsing the status quo immigration/refugee system. By your rationale, why would you attempt to demean an opponent before they even get to write something back I wonder....?
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Always gotta remind yourself on reddit majority normal people you can chat about it IRL
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The problem is that by being single issue voters, they end up voting for all the peripherally related negative things you cited.
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They only say those things but never fix it
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You just got clapped in elections and your choice is to double down? Lmao
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Crazy enough, the US Dems are walking this line well with the same approach. It’s easy to sell as an important compromise because let’s be real: If we’re going to have immigration (and climate change is making that inevitable) then we have a duty to provide people with safe, sanitary conditions and a clear path to integration at the bare minimum. If we can’t do that, we’re failing them and our own people. We need tech upgrades, process upgrades, more housing, etc to give people good lives. From that perspective, it’s very easy to agree to controls and reform.
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There is no universal rule or law on whats right or wrong... Those things are decided by people themselves.
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Serious question: It doesn’t raise a red flag to you that you’re making sweeping, blanket statements about “the Left” wanting things like a monolith when they obviously aren’t?
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Have you looked at Islam as a religion and what they suggest as the "moderate view"?: [https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2020/03/19/heaven-hell-and-non-muslims-in-the-quran/](https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2020/03/19/heaven-hell-and-non-muslims-in-the-quran/) "These threats and promises lead many to the conclusion that the Qur’an has a fundamentally pessimistic view of the salvation of the other, of non-Muslims. *Aslim taslam*, “Convert to Islam and you will be safe,” goes an expression that dots early Islamic traditions, implying that those who do not convert are in danger. In response to a question as to whether morally sound non-Muslims (or “unbelievers,” Arabic *kafir*s) can avoid hell, the popular Islamic fatwa site, “IslamQA” (associated with the Syrian scholar Muhammad al-Munajjid), offers a stark reply: “The point is not whether their morals are good, rather the point is whether they submit to Allaah \[sic\] and obey his commands.” Interviews of NYC Muslims after the 9/11 attacks showed them answering the question: "Which are more important: the laws of man or the laws of God?" All of them said the laws of God. Simply put, Islam as it is today and secular society values are going to clash. And if communities of Muslims are allowed to isolate and foster ideas like this, you are going to have the issues you see in Europe continue to grow. This is literally a war on Western/secular culture.
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I will say something that some people won’t like. Killing Putin won’t end the war, not necessarily. The entire top political echelon of russia are just as delusional as Putin is. His untimely death, if not coming from within, will only escalate the crazy, unhinged and reckless members of his inner circle. As others said, if you want real change, it has to come from within. But the way a lot of russians behave, and how they are willing to gobble up the lies told to them, they are not really driven for change.
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Good to see that there are sensible people and governments left in the world. Unlike places like Australian who politicians have been corrupted by religious loonies and lobbyists to keep cannabis illegal while they peddle the most harmful drug alcohol.
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It is almost always a legal one, when there is a news story about some assault or rape and the perpetrator has a muslim name.
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So we need more right wingers coming in to sort it out?
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Normally that's how it goes. But he's an idiot without experience or knowledge. So now that daddy's gone, he won't get in. 
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Misread, thought it was helicopter man 
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Ah misunderstood, thank you
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For the people, by some other people
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Not looking good for all the popular parties in Germany.
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Someone advocating for the death of all humanity is a dingus. I don't need to play your games and give you an energy plan to point out you're a dingbat for your desire to see humanity burn. The community here seems to agree you're a dingus since you are getting downvoted to oblivion.
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Free speech you don't like is still free speech. I suppose if you ignore all nuance, then you can twist it however you like.
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He was worth 270 billion dollars, you think he just wants more money?
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False equivalency. Stopping fuel production right now isn’t going to cause or “be like” genocide. The countries that have benefited the most from fossil fuels will thrive or be okay. While already poor nations will suffer the most.
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>Someone advocating for the death of all humanity is a dingus. Can you please explicitly point out where I ADVOCATED for "the death of all humanity"? >I don't need to play your games and give you an energy plan to point out you're a dingbat for your desire to see humanity burn Of course you don't but that does support my point that you are illiterate on the matter. You can't even have a discussion about beyond accusing me of things I have not done. >The community here seems to agree you're a dingus since you are getting downvoted to oblivion. Oblivion... yes... You must be the one downvoting then because there is no way for you to be able to tell how many points I do or don't have. How many accounts are you using?
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Azerbaijan? What did you expect?
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Not even close to the same thing. Combined with the speed and possible max temperatures, multicellular life (not just bacteria and extromphiles) may not have a chance. There's just no metabolic pathways above a certain point in any multicellular life (again not just looking at single cell organisms). That's not debatable, it's just a fact of biochemistry. Given millions of years, maybe something could be teased out from current genetic stock, but the speed we're going evolution just wont have a chance. Given the fundamental limit for habitability (with or with out human intervention), even extreamophiles probably won't be able to do much. Even beyond that, there's a limit passed which our plants climate may just run away. Again, you're using historical presidence, when our sun was cooler and there was less thermal input to try and argue temperatures might remain habitable for some life. That does not have to be the case, and given the non-linear nature of our climate, it's scary picture for all life.
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You spent 12 years at school learning about the importance of renewable energy and how you as an individual can protect the environment, spent 3 more years studying geography at an university to also learn about the new methods of ways how exactly to do this. But it doesn't fucking matter when more and more right-wing politicians turn a blind eye to science, countries puppeteer their citizens into countless warfares for braindead reasons and high society is as responsible as heroine addicts, squeezing the last bit of money out of every single fucking thing on this earth. If they could sell human souls to the devil, they would. I'm so sick of humanity.
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You make a lot of assumptions there regarding the sun and the solar input. Earth can lose 99% of complex life an still be fine. The biggest obstacle for complex life was multi-cellularism. And that will be preserved around the black smokers, even if it's just a vanishingly small amount. Given 500 million years until the sun turns big and orange, life has plenty of time to come up with some new interesting things. Earth is fine. Humans will be fucked.
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How, though? Unless you want to live completely without electricity, internet, powered transportation or even manufactured goods, fossil fuels will continue to be used on your behalf. Even if every "mere mortal" with sufficient means were to switch to EVs, solar panels, and a vegetarian diet based only on locally grown produce, the megacorporations will merrily continue to poison the planet. You can sue them, but they will drag the case out for years or be let off with a slap on the wrist. Frankly, I just don't see any avenue to get the change we need. And the assholes in charge will do anything to stop people from organising. When people start to see through the bread and circuses, they simply shift the propaganda to something like immigration, and boom, people start voting for the climate-denying far-right extremists in droves. I mean, I'll keep doing the best I can -- it's as good a hill as any to die on -- but headlines like these make it very, very hard to have hope.
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70% of France still voted against the far right.
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Sounds like Canada rn
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Blaming widespread policy failures on 'misinformation' is a huge part of the problem.
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I think you need to look at different countries in Europe. In Sweden they did worse, and the greens did very well. In Hungary Fidesz didn’t do as well as expected. France and Germany are doing the opposite. Germanys far right party is more or less funded by Putin that is really bad for Europe. So I think you are simplifying it too much.
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Too many on the left have the idea of “immigration good, against immigration means you’re a literal Nazi” mentality. If that is what they base their entire political ideology on, how do you ever expect them to come back from that? Because to them admitting that immigration has failed,that it is causing any number of issues you can point to, means to them that “the Nazis where right” and they’ll never do that.
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How is it bad for Europe ? Being submitted to the US isn't any better.
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Isn’t Marine Le Pen a Putin sympathizer and her father is antisemite, racist and kinda homophobic?
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The only thing I’ll say in her defence is that she did kick her father out of the party
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