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Which failures are you referring to?
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2024-10-06
correlation does not imply causation. Unless you have something that says they are that closely tied. almost 1:1
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2024-10-06
I doubt many people care fuck all if the party "is christian" or not. If they like the actions the party does, they vote for it.
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2024-10-06
Read the article dummy
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2024-10-06
Douchebag? Biden is so kind but Trump is so rude OMG OMG. The economy doesnt matter. Are you 5?
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2024-10-06
Did I hurt your feelings maga boy? Lol
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2024-10-06
GDP is basically how much people are spending. That is not going to increase as long as wage growth does not surpass the inflation by a quite a bit. Wealth being concentrated at the hands of a few will always translate into lower growth as opposed to a healthy middle class.
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2024-10-06
Yeah i agree, many politicians wont keep their word. But the "no incentives" is ridiculous. Even if you ignore all possible motives for just making to make the world better, it still doesnt hold. A politician doesnt just die after their term. They might want a second term. They might want to change to other jobs. They might just want to be a liked celebrity. Whatever it is, it relies on them doing their job well.
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2024-10-06
True! A populist politician also wants to stay in power. So what are the easiest, most efficient ways to do so? You either sabotage your opponent or, even worse, change laws such that you loosing gets less likely (see Turkey, this effectively turns into authoritarianism. Turkey is doing worse and worse since years but you have a leader that appears strong and is very capable at allowing nationalist feelings and blaming others. Economically and socially the man is a disaster but it’s also extremely difficult to get rid of him as we have seen) or you attempt to resolve something and actively attempt to cultivate reasons why you can’t succeed. Examples: trumps wall project (“and we will make Mexico pay for it!” -> “it’s outrageous how they don’t do it, they are all in with it with the libs and oh have you seen hunters laptop and the thing with the pizza and stuff” and suddenly the fact that you actually predictably failed doesn’t even matter anymore, what matters is that you can use it to be angry at your opponents). So what gets you voted again? The problem. So you make sure to work at it, show your “hands on approach” and you make absolutely sure that you don’t fix it and blame it on your opponent. If AfD would just solve every single issue there would be no reason to vote for them again and they know it - their whole identity is to be “the alternative” and all their nasty shit (having political leaders that are outright fascist, getting financing from russia, all these things that you can read if you go beyond the headline) suddenly has time to breath. AfD will make sure they won’t solve the problem, because they want to stay in crisis mode. That keeps the anger. That gets votes. It’s incredibly naive to believe otherwise.
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2024-11-06
>And it depends on the country they're from You are correct, I agree. However again this is not what I was told. I was told undo no uncertain circumstances it wouldn't happen in any EU country
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2024-11-06
I think you just want to rage about populist parties to somebody. I just said youre wrong about politicians having zero motives for doing their job.
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2024-11-06
I’m neither raging nor do I want to. I understand that you don’t have the emotional capacity to see this and there is nothing I can do to change this. There is no rational strategy that takes your rage away, whether or not it’s justified and it’s human to cling to the voice that tells you that you’re not wrong and that enforces your inner need to belong and that guilt-free. Again - that is human nature, that’s one of the flaws of how we function and how our reward mechanisms work. It’s close to impossible that anyone else will convince you otherwise, you are either going to be convinced by seeing that vision ultimately failing or you descent deeper and deeper into tribalism - take “real men wear diapers to own the libs” what we currently see amongst trump supporters. In the end, we are maybe just too primitive to solve this. Go ahead then.
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2024-09-06
The problem is the world is addicted to GDP growth. Immigration is the easy way to fudge the figures and if you have an influx of workers you can decrease wages. The people at the top love it and who gives a fuck about them on the bottom.
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2024-10-06
I don’t find what I said to be inaccurate. They don’t have valid claims of asylum in most instances. A lot are younger men searching for jobs. Social comparability does matter. They tend to be very insular and don’t try to integrate and follow the norms of the communities they are joining.
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2024-10-06
far right more for peace, quick resolve in the Russia / Ukraine conflict (return historically Russian territory to Russia), less violence and economic ruin from mass immigration of low skill migrants, etc
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2024-10-06
And its coming to places like Australia and Canada. Massive immigration levels with no resources allocated for this growth while ordinary people are being made homeless, cant afford the rent or will never own a home while overseas investors swarm in to take advantage of the best real estate returns in the world. Compounding this problem is that the criminals are all parking their money in housing while no new real housing stocks is being built. Nobody would mind if there are surplus houses and people can house themselves affordably. Politicians taking the side of money launderers, airBNB and making matters worst with immigration overload serves nobodies interests!
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2024-10-06
Hence the actual problem. Cutesy terms aside. They go somewhere, don't want to honor the customs of where they go, then cry foul. Too bad, so sad. Oh the plight of the self-entitled.
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2024-10-06
moral of the story, dont upset voters or make their lives miserable!
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2024-10-06
Right, apologies. What’s your take on Macron’s most recent move in the assembly?
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2024-10-06
If the left would stop fucking sabotaging themselves, then maybe we can get some moderate candidates. This applies to America as well. It's the same story all over. I'm so sick of having to choose between dementia Biden and nut Job Trump
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2024-10-06
Yes, but there’s a massive issue on ILLEGAL immigrants, economic migrants and refugees right now. The issue isn’t immigrants who actually get their paperwork done right.
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2024-10-06
Depends. In the US, absolutely not. Trump has a cult of personality surrounding him and some vile people have attached themselves to the most valuable useful idiot in American history to try and accomplish their shitty agendas. Problem is the Left does itself no favors either by focusing less on what I would call meat and potato issues that are much more tangible to most people and more on social justice. LGBT rights are absolutely important, but most people don’t really give a fuck about that when they’re barely able to afford groceries.
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2024-10-06
Care industry wages are suppressed because of who pays for it. People making 100k a year can't pay a significant portion of that wage to a caretaker for their father. 
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2024-10-06
In Europe it’s far more complex when it comes to politics. I’m not American but I’m familiar with the system, Americans really only have 2 parties to vote for in comparison to let’s say Canada or countries like Germany, Italy, Sweden etc. Politics is a mess everywhere all over. But yeah, in the states it’s quite limited eh?
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2024-10-06
The French system is a 2 rounds system. So on the ballots you’ll have a far right and another candidate. He hopes than people of all parties will vote against far right. For the last few elections this is what has happened. However even with this system designed to lower the representation of the extremes, it is proving less and less effective against the far right. If he looses his bet, it is probable that the far right will not be able to do much against illegal immigration, and Europe desperately needs chosen immigration due to its aging population… but the far right doesn’t play long term, they have other objectives
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2024-10-06
There is so much the clients on those industries are willing to pay... but there is still a lot of money that is lost in management and intermediaries. If these roles were eliminated there would be more space for many jobs.
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2024-10-06
Even though you have more parties in your parliament, I feel like the end result is the same because they need a coalition so in the end you have either right leaning or left leaning
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2024-10-06
Okay how about Europe which is the topic we are discussing?
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2024-10-06
So if Macron loses to Le Pen, what happens essentially? Coalition government?
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2024-10-06
History repeats itself!
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2024-10-06
Is there a "Normal right" in Europe (France, Germany)? All I hear about is "Far right" vs Left and sometimes Centrists.
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2024-10-06
No one is saying we need immigrants to have more kids. We need adult immigrants to do jobs that we won’t have enough adults to do because people aren’t having kids.
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2024-10-06
Ah yes Ukraine has shown the incompetence of Russian army by losing 20% of all its land. You have been watching too many Rambo movies. Or could it be you think of Ukraine as another Afghanistan? No lol it isn't. Ukraine has 20 times as many soldiers + tons of cash in form of aid.
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2024-10-06
Illegal immigration pushes the political needle to the right. Even if taking in immigrants is the just thing to do, it needs to be balanced or we get a historical repeat of what the far right does when they have absolute power.
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2024-10-06
Everyone secretly wants that UK rwonda solution but just not saying it out loud yet huh
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2024-10-06
Ironic since the asylum seekers are “at the gate” too
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2024-10-06
Agreed. The huge numbers of migrants from the Middle East and North Africa, who often do not share European values around things like free expression, women’s and LGBTQ rights, are changing the character of nations in a way that is frightening to many. This is the backlash. And the challenge is only going to increase as climate change makes those regions less and less able to support their large populations
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2024-10-06
Putin is not interested in the world. He wants to secure his country from invasion by taking over Ukraine. Whoever controls Ukraine, controls Moscow. It was the route taken by the Swedish Cavalry to Guderian's tanks.
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2024-10-06
East Asians are also a very different cultural background, but they integrated into the US just fine.
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2024-10-06
Russia and Belarus are also major avenues and facilitators of illegal immigration as part of their hybrid warfare. I can't find the video right now, but I recently watched a German report where someone from the border police said that it's becoming very common that immigrants are coming into Europe through the Belarussian border, with recent immigration stamps in Russia or Belarus.
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2024-10-06
Not saying Biden is sharp but he exhibits far fewer signs of dementia than Trump does. I really don’t understand that narrative. 
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2024-10-06
> Thing is: they are not breaking any laws and if they do, they get deported back. Yeah, right.
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2024-10-06
You LITERALLY said that, word for word. > with plummeting fertility rates throughout the western world, immigration is going to be the only path forward for growth in a lot of nations. So have most of the left screechers been saying for years, that there is NO other way, we need the mythical rabbit-like breeding immigrants.. that was and still is one of the predominant, main narratives to sell uncontrolled illegal immigration. That there simply is no other way. AND, not only are they not making babies, integration fails so much, they aren't bolstering the work force nor raising the GDP neither... Even going by your own "reasoning", this not even a quick bandaid... Fixing the issues of not enough stable families with babies would be much healthier and actually improve the terrible demographic situation. But whatever, I guess I am just an extremely extreeeeemmmeeeeeeeee far right right-winger...for wanting actual solutions to the HUGE issues we are facing  lol
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2024-10-06
Perhaps they want cake?
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2024-10-06
>Ah yes Ukraine has shown the incompetence of Russian army by losing 20% of all its land. They literally have though lol, Ukraine wasn't even in the top 10 militaries in the world before the war started, Russia was supposed to be World's No. 2, yet nearly 3 years later they can't beat Ukraine, lost most of its navy to a country with no navy and they still don't have air superiority. Russia's military is a joke.
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2024-10-06
No we don't we need more education of the population. Biggest voting divide in modern politics is whether you have a degree or not i.e. if you're educated you know that being anti immigration is stupid
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2024-10-06
I’m going to be the silly one to say it. Um, guys…. We all live on planet Earth. Belongs to all of us.
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2024-10-06
It's not a fudging of the figures anyone who's ever studied economics knows free movement of people produces the best outcome overall. People are just old fashioned and don't like change of any kind. Or they're racist.
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2024-10-06
This. And Putin claiming he's fighting nazis might become true soon enough.
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I think the "normal right" in Germany would be more like Angela Merkel, she was in power not too long ago so I'd expect the pendulum to swing various ways.
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They tend to still be a lot closer than the people coming from the bad places in the middle east or Africa.
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4. The Left makes zero policy changes in response 5. Next election the right makes even more gains 6. Double shocked pikachu face! It’s not just France. I swear the political left worldwide would rather watch every other part of their platform get destroyed than address immigration issues
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2024-10-06
voting for the CDU in Germany would achieve the same goal in restricting migration. Your message only gives power to the AfD/the far right. Migration isn’t a reason to start being completely anti-democracy and wanting to dissolve the only thing keeping Germany and Europe competitive (the EU). 
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There are some rightwing parties left that still have reasonable professionalism, are not corrupt/ mad, are consistently tough against Russia ( and not just only after 2022) and are immigrant/ EU critical. But these are few. Being conservative ( especially regarding immigration)was and is political incorrect and few good politicians dared to risk their career. So the barren ground on the right was taken by more unscrupulous politicians.
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crime has not been skyrocketing at all in Germany. Crazy how you can just lie and get upvotes for that. You should know that messages like these only boost the far-right 
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2024-10-06
Populism is easy when you're not in power. Getting into power tends to melt the support - look at Finns Party in Finland - one year in power and instead of the projected 16% they got 7,6% and only one seat losing the other.
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2024-10-06
Germany has border controls?
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2024-10-06
Well said. A lot of people simply don't understand what immigration, or the lack of thereof, actually means for a developed country. The bright side is that the far right can't possibly hope to address their voters' concerns. All they can do is kick the ball forward until their voters realizes they're full of shit.
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2024-10-06
The other parties are all significantly better. The AfD is totally backwards, has no clear goals, are basically full on neo-nazis, want to dissolve the eu (the only thing keeping Europe even remotely prosperous), etc. even if the other parties were corrupt or shit, that’s obviously significantly better than any right-wing extremism if you have any knowledge of history I don’t think you’re asking this question in good faith
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2024-10-06
I believe France has a bigger problem with actual french citizens who are descendants of african immigrants, rather than with immigrants themselves? Or is that just hearsay?
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2024-10-06
It depends on the country. Hungary’s right wing favors Russia. Slovakia’s left wing favors Russia. We must always be vigilant of our politicians because dirty money is always a temptation for them.
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Denmark is the country where mainstream left parties embraced “ right wing” measures against immigration. While still offering reliable government. Taking away any need to vote extreme right. Plus Denmark has some opt outs regarding immigration so slightly more room to handle immigration rules.
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2024-10-06
the left in the US is focusing on totally normal things. It’s the right that is freaking out about LGBT rights
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2024-10-06
Weirdly in the Netherlands the left hasn't been in power in a long time, also has reducing immigration in their campaign promises, and still somehow gets the blame and loses to the far right populist party. The real kicker is that they argue for realistic and humane solutions whereas the populist 'solutions' directly go against our constitution and European law. People angrily vote for the loudest one while ignoring the ones offering real solutions.
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2024-10-06
Immigration in many countries (Netherlands, Germany, France) just means giant ghettofication of neighbourhoods, double figure crime rate increases (with statistics clearly showing who commits them), lack of safety and freedom for gay people, trans people, women. Lack of upholding of democratic values by giving too much freedom to religious extremism. Every time I visit my home country or other western-European countries I can see it has turned into a shithole in many places. Safety gone, simply put. People are tired of this (I left Western Europe a decade ago for this very reason and have regretted it not one second). P.s. I am/was a socialist. The way the left fumbled immigration issues and refuses to listen to it's citizens - and more importantly, refuses to acknowledge the atrocious statistics on crime / immigration/immigrant descendants - is the one and only reason the right has gained power. I 100% blame the left's weak and lacklustre lack of vision and integrity for the rise of the right.
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2024-10-06
Certainly the messaging that surrounded those migrations was fomented by Russia.
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2024-10-06
Artificial Immigrants?
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2024-10-06
if they get enough power to have major economies leave the EU, that marks the end of any prosperity for Europe. That also probably means that they will stop focusing on being thought-leaders in the actual issues that matter like climate-change, so that would have effects that fuck the whole world probably as well
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Except many of the immigrants end up unemployed and under social support that take resources from native population of the country.Don't get me wrong i support immigration because there are people who want to have a better life in a better country,but the problem is that without o proper way to handle and give an oportunity for new people that are culturaly different that your country culture to slowly integrate and change their views and become a part of your country society, the immigration becomes a disaster if you just let high numbers of people into your country without proper meaning to support and give the oportunity for those people to integrate,you let this people in and don't give them the oportunity or you just let anyone in,even those people that don't want to integrate,without proper control and support you don't give them a way to integrate so they form their own closed comunities with their world views,often that are in conflict with your country world views,you get religious zealots and fundamentalists that rise in numbers and because of their own worldviews it becomes a clock timed bomb waiting to explode,when this explodes it becomes real bad.In theory immigration is a functional solution if given proper planning and support,in reality it's a big mess,because the politicians and big rich business CEO's don't care about long term planning they just want a quick buck$ to make while they can,so in reality the immigrants fail to integrate into western society,the rich people make$$ that pay the politicians who in turn don't care what will hapen after they leave when their mandates end,the poor people get poorer and now you have fundamentalists that want your country to become a religious zealot country with backward laws and authoritarian power,just like the country they left because it became a shit(pardon my french) hole.And now you have far right populists that promise you that only they can fix this mess if you vote them into the government,so people think "well it's already bad,it can't become even worse,let's vote them"and then when they reach the power it becomes even worse.The left politicians get the 'surprised pickachu face' and wonder why and how could this happen,the far right make things much worse and the rest of us people suffer.
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2024-10-06
Is there actually data to say it's the young voters making the difference? Just saying, because EU Parliament elections had abysmal turnout in my country yesterday. Like below 30%, and the regions that had the higher turnout are the more rural, conservative, and older voter areas. So, if that's a larger trend across Europe, is the problem the youth turning to the far right in a majority, or the youth (and a larger portion of the population in general) being largely apathetic to voting and the ones who do make a point to vote tend to disproportionately support more right wing parties?
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2024-10-06
I get this point but the situation in the US is still 50x worse. The education system in the US needs significant help asap
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2024-10-06
A report from dw says the opposite
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2024-10-06
It’s still much better than most of the world. The US has like 50% support for a far-right party and the other party there barely believes in climate change 
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2024-10-06
What Macron did is not smart, it's playing chess with our life. If the far right have 3 years in power it'll be the end of the France we know. We can say bye to any positive changes toward ecology, feminisn, worker right. They'll likely take the police side in case of violence. Europe already tried fascisme and nothing great emerged from it.
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Would it? For a majority of people migration really started in 2015 and we had year after year after year in which opposition and CDU people called Merkel and her middle ground out for bad handling. I am not saying that the anti-Euro and Anti-EU Party is in any way, shape or form correct but from the PoV of 25 to 40 year olds there only was Merkel in Charge and she "started it all". Equally as bad is the fact that a lot of local governments are red/black with 20-30% green and they aren't really handling jack shit either. Oldest vote CDU, Boomer/70s&80s workers vote SPD and educated youth tried it with greens but they are anti-industry and a liability. Harder background youth faces immigration problems face first in school, in their homes etc. etc. I guess a lot of people simply cross off a party after each election and go further down the list.
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Yeah that's how I understand it, when your economy is mainly moving money around, nothing gets created, wealth slowly flows where people are actually creating value, Europe just slowly sleepwalks into irrelevance. There definitely needs to be a push towards creating real wealth, the industrial sector, and Renew Europe seemed to be the party that had the most concrete plans for this. Which makes the election results a lot harder to swallow.
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2024-10-06
I think most of the "swing" voters would be people that are not inherently against immigration. It's an issue of specific immigrants where their current views are not deemed as culturally compatible with the destination country. This is obviously a scale and there will always be differences of views, but for specific groups I would say the scales have tipped too much in one direction. The more wealthy European nations could easily balance the economic impacts by blacklisting specific countries and focusing visa efforts on regions where immigrants are known to accumulate better. There are countries (e.g. Australia) already going down this route. I think that strategy is less viable for the European nations towards the poorer end of the scale, but visa spots in the more wealthy countries are coveted and I don't see the impact as being that great. Not good for meritocracy, but good for social cohesion.
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Voting in the far right is so fucking unnecessary. It shouldn't be fucking controversial to have actually serious controls on immigration after seeing a lot of extremists that refuse to integrate and promote frankly nazi like antisemitism and just general anti-west hatred slip through. I don't understand why the left keeps shutting any talk of that down.
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2024-10-06
Centrist parties ignoring underlying social issues. Living standard stagnates which creates fertile ground for far right parties and/or any candidate promising “otherness”. They get elected and drive economy into the wall and living standards get even worse. Uninspiring centrist party promises to be the voice of reason and clean the mess up. Gets elected and the cycle starts again.
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2024-10-06
It's not like neo-liberal shills like Emmanuel Macron does anything to integrate them .
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So what is the plan then mate? "Don't let them in" is not a strategy. If your house got blown up in Syria or the Taliban shot your daughter, is the expectation that you are to stay wherever you are and suffer because some French bumpkin farmer doesn't want to see you in your traditional costume? Truthfully, it sounds like the Muslim immigrants are going to fit right in with these fascists. 
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> SS slogan during an election rally SA slogan ("all for Germany!") which 98% of Germans didnt know where it orginates from before this case.
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Australia surging to the right is a big exaggeration (and the UK is almost certain to elect Labor this year as well). But to say the change in Australia is the opposite is also an exaggeration or wrong. All major Australian parties are moving to decrease, not increase, immigration, in response to public sentiment. Edit: The original comment is also wrong in saying the left’s only response is to label people racist. All over the world, from the USA to Ireland to Australia, the centre left’s response is to move right on immigration.
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2024-10-06
Yep, electing fascists commonly leads to significant improvements in human rights. 
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"At all" is a stretch. you've got Ilhan Omar who explicitly stated that she's loyal to her former country's fascist government numerous times and you have a few other examples in American government. But it is true that the situation in the US is better. but it's still far from good, just don't get complacent. side note. it's amazing how essentially every culture managed to integrate in the US and the EU except for a single major one. Muslims. and as a fluent Arabic speaker I'm not surprised.
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2024-10-06
Afd had not only candidates accepting money from Russia and espionage for China, but also a massive TikTok campaign in Germany, making themselves look like a funny meme boys club, resulting in normalization of their bullshit and young, privileged , ignorant shitheads singing racist lines as a party hymn… the stupidity makes you sick.
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2024-10-06
So now let's vote parties in who have no solutions for this issue and who will also make the lives of all the citizens worse, especially in the future because real issues will continue to be ignored. Sound logic.
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2024-10-06
Finally, a thinking person.  What we should do globally is encourage every far right piece of shit to move to Saudi Arabia. They'd love it. No gays, women can't drive, religious police, oil fuckin everywhere. There's tons of room out in that desert. 
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2024-10-06
They're not leftwing. Their people may come from a left party but their program is anything but.
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Maybe people do that, but it’s not particularly pragmatic. There has always been a reason to vote for a right wing extremist party, whether that be migration now, or inflation, or etc. That was always just an excuse  Even Scholz now wants Migration reform. The context of the world changes, but people are simple minded and will blame others in retrospect with their perfect hindsight.  That’s why I argue the issue is rather a problem based around information, not migration. The SPD and the CDU want Migration Reform now. AfD voters don’t care, they want blood, as they are falling deeper into the classic right-white echo chamber. So I guess in a way I agree with you
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That's exactly why I am going to be voting for a right-party that has been critical of the refugee system in my country. I used to be fairly open to the idea of refugees, but after seeing them chanting terrorist slogans, threats and showing their violent behaviour, I have now realised that something NEEDS to be done, or we are fucked.
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2024-10-06
I don't need to explain how, we are watching it in real time. Those are the country's demographics, and they are doing perfectly fine. Are you under the impression that the human population just needs to increase to infinity to sustain itself?
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2024-10-06
> I 100% blame the left's weak and lacklustre lack of vision and integrity for the rise of the right. People fail to understand that Russia had infiltrated the left long before the right, they were in our universities and social justice movements, the anti-nuclear and civil rights movements, the antifascist movements, the anti-vaccination movements during covid and the freedom convoys, what we see today is over 60 years of active measures and cultivated culture wars coming to a very horrifying conclusion with both far left and far right marching in the same direction.
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2024-10-06
But immigration also has to be seen in connection to demographic change and to some extent automation. Europe is shrinking and aging with fewer (young) people having to pay for more (older) people. And there's already shortages of both blue and white collar workers across a wide spectrum of society. Without *mass* migration the resulting imbalance cannot be managed. An additional tool to help here is automation and AI to increase the productivity per capita, but this is similarly seen as negative in large parts of society. At the end of the day the social security system in Europe is gonna collapse unless people accept that that the current system cannot run without any action to address to demographic change.
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2024-10-06
There is also the issues of accepting illegal migrants, keeping migrants that went through the proper channels disillusioned. There should be harsh restrictions on anyone who attempts to migrate illegally. the only ones that should be accepted are ones who have a clear and specific target on their lives. i.e ex Muslims from muslim countries.
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2024-10-06
I’m sure nothing bad will happen as a result of far right politicians gaining power in Europe. After all, it worked out so well last time. /s
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2024-10-06
It's not cope, he is still the president and has power right? Also potentially right now they can rise even further before the next elections. Calling the elections right now, is potentially softening that blow.
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2024-10-06
speak for yourself, I'm the Grand Ecumenical Neckbeard of r/worldnews and what I say goes on the redditosphere. If I demarcate a line, you *will* toe it.
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2024-10-06
I know who sounds like a basement dwelling teenager, and it isn’t me.
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