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re jeep grand vs toyota runner in article igw world std com edwards world std com jonathan edwards writes i am considering buying one of these two vehicles new i want a fun to drive family vehicle that can go through anything the jeep is very popular and has the features all wheel drive wheel anti lock roomy passenger cabin but limited cargo with an internal spare the toyota is an aging design with only part time wheel and only rear anti lock and no anti lock in wd it also has a very inconvenient rear gate not to mention awkward ingress to the passenger cabin any reason you are limited to the two mentioned they aren t really at the same point along the suv spectrum not to mention price range how about the explorer trooper blazer montero and if the budget allows the land cruiser bear in mind that of all suv s purchased never venture off road carefully weigh the trade off between comfort and off road performance when choosing one and realistically decide whether you ll actually make enough use of the off road ability to sacrifice some of the on road comfort john john
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re geico mechanical breakdown insurance in article c pbh noose ecn purdue edu rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu robert j wade writes in article apr lds loral com mcculloc sps lds loral com thad mcculloch writes has anyone had any experience with geico s extended warranty plan it seems to be slightly less expensive than the normal dealer sponsored policy and once again never buy extended warranties they are a complete and total ripoff period you are better off taking your money and putting it in a bank and using that money for repairs many extended warranties never pay or have co payments etc how many people will actually put that money in the bank and keep it there for the sole use of a automotive repair maybe for people who have a hard time saving money or don t want the hassle of worrying about paying for everything the extended warranty is worth it for some people it is worth it others not and for some the peace of mind knowing you won t have too many unexpected expenses is enough if you drive a lot your basic warranty can be up in a little longer than a year how many people can make the car payments as well as large repairs it may work for some people andrew andrew bernstein motorola inc there s no such thing as sanity e algonquin road and that s the sanest fact schaumburg il dire straits bernstei next corp mot com next mail ok
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mgbs and the real world my sister has an mgb she has one from the last year they were produced its in very good shape i ve been bugging her for years about selling it i ve said over and over that she should sell it before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability which one of us is right are there mgb affectionados out there who are still willing to pay k to k for an old mg are there a lot out in the market mike brookbank mks king st north mike mks com director interopen sales mkt waterloo ontario mortice kern systems inc mks canada n j w fax
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male female mystery re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article apr iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen a rund writes apparently you re not a woman my husband hates the auto door locks features but forgets that besides families with children a woman feels safer in a car that locks easily in addition to watching around checking out if anyone s near me when i get to my car never park in a secluded spot etc have my keys ready to open the door so i m not fumbling in my purse looking for them this has me thinking is there a biological reason why women can t put their keys in their pants pockets like men do i have two pockets on the back of each of my pants i put my keys in one and wallent in another many of the pockets even have a botton on them so i can close them securely everything is that much simpler for me why can t women do the same is is biological ie not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet or is it the way they are raised by the parents
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convertibles i was wondering if someone could point me to somewhere i could find a list and hopefully comparison of all the convertibles that are out these days seems like they are making a big comeback but i m not sure where to look
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toyota wagons has anybody noticed that toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible ugly station wagons tercels corollas camrys have their designers no aesthetic sense at all dod darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time cup holders driving is an importantant enough undertaking cellular phones and mobile fax machines see above vanity mirrors on the driver s side ashtrays smokers seem to think it s just fine to use the road fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs any gold trim dod darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion
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ford probe gt engine problems one of the local dealers has a used k miles probe gt on the lot with a photocopy of a document taped to the window saying the dealership bought the car back from the previous owner because of engine noises but that the ford district rep had ok ed the car saying those noises were normal i thought it was worth looking into the car seems otherwise clean and mentioned this to a co worker who proceeded to tell me a horror story about her son s probe gt which had several problems ending with engine noises which she said was something with the heads that ford acknowledged the noise said they were working on it but didn t have a cure as of yet her son traded the car in and i checked not the same car so i have some evidence of a reoccuring problem with the v in the probe gt s and by extension with the madza and mx anything to this i d love to consider buying the gt i m turning time for my scheduled mid life crisis but i d hate to find out i just became the proud owner of a lemon
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re integra gsr really about other cars it s great that all these other cars can out handle out corner and out accelerate an integra but you ve got to ask yourself one question do all these other cars have a moonroof with a sliding sunshade no wimpy pop up sunroofs or power sliding roofs that are opaque a moonroof that can be opened to the air closed to let just light in or shaded so that nothing comes in you ve just got to know what s important doug integra gs
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ford explorer wd do i need performance axle we re considering getting a ford explorer xlt with wd and we have the following questions all we would do is go skiing no off roading with wd do we need the performance axle limited slip axle its purpose is to allow the tires to act independently when the tires are on different terrain do we need the all terrain tires p x or will the all season p x be good enough for us at lake tahoe thanks tom tom shou silicon graphics shou asd sgi com n shoreline blvd ms u fax mountain view ca
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re lo jack according to a lojack representative i saw recently lojack must be installed by an authorized lojack dealer and is placed in one of roughly spots in the car thanks steve m att com mantic srmal sure aviad
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re how hard to change springs on f truck bottom line i did it and it worked some tips and techniques are included here in article c zzpn ax constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article apr michael apple com ems michael apple com e michael smith writes does it take any peculiar tools to remove the rear springs from a ford f truck this is a x with leaf springs front and rear so with a big socket and an air wrench and a floor jack and a hydrolic bottle jack can i do this at home i found that i needed some smaller sockets to undo the shocks and a can of wd helped the sockets needed were metric exact fit but i was able to use some sae sockets and are rather close to and mm it can be fun having a canadian ford i m pictureing this undo u bolts put a bottle jack on the axle and raise the bed frame to take stress off of the leaf spring undo the end bolts bushings drop the spring turn the bottom leaf re connect the spring bolts sounds about right didn t have to undo the end bolts bushings just the u bolts on each side and the shock absorber jacking up the frame some more had to put the spare tire on the garage floor and put a wooden platform on top of that to get the floor jack high enough to raise the frame i t one talll truck lifted the spring free of the axel taking out the block gave me enough room to undo the pin holding the spring pack together the spring pack was held together with a nut on top and a round head on the other end no wrench head vice grips worked fine i soaked the nut with wd and it came right off flipped the bottom spring and then is this a nightmare waiting to happen or an easy though physically demanding thing to do well it s easier than doing a decent trigger job on a a ok well maybe it s not that easy but it s not terribly difficult i donno i m a little more sore today than after working on a a a foot pipe cheater was a real help torque spec for the u bolt nuts is to ft lbs a a doesn t have that kind of torque spec it was a challenge to get the pack bolt back in the spring pack squeeze pack with two hands hold bolt with third put nut on with fourth while picking up wrench and vice grips with fifth and sixth hands i used some string to tie the pack together while holding the pin in for alignment then i could let go to get the nut wrench vice grips getting the pin back lined up with the lift block was a challenge too until i discovered that the axel had tilted and or rolled forward one the drivers side a bottle jack under the front of the differential tilted it back in line enough for the pin head to drop into the right hole on the passenger side i had to wrestle the wheel into rolling forward about inch to get things to line up spent more than an hour working on getting the pin head into the hole in the lift block with levers and ropes and impliments of distruction before i took a break and thought about why it wasn t lined up anymore since it had been lined up before and i didn t move it something else must have hmmm axle no longer constrained not to move hmmm move it back hmmm after that it was all much easier to close up btw the ride is now softer but not quite as soft as i was hoping for at least it now sits level e michael smith ems apple com whatever you can do or dream you can begin it boldness has genius power and magic in it goethe i am not responsible nor is anyone else everything is disclaimed
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re are bmw s worth the price sure sounds like they got a ringer the is i drove was definitely faster than that if you want to quote numbers my aw autofile shows in mile in it quotes car and driver s figures of and oh btw these numbers are for the i car and driver rated the is at at after k miles last time i checked automobile magazine rated new is mile gee aint quotiin funner than the dickens sounds like we need a race i ll let you have the newer version can someone out there lend me a is for a day i wont hurt it i promise i don t know how the addition of variable valve timing for affects it but don t take my word for it go drive it actually i will take your word on it i refuse to test it new is because i love bmw s and would probably want to buy it problem is my income just doesn t support that
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all tim in article ppg b fvq armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes joes telxon mis telxon com joe staudt writes in article phoi s armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes stuff deleted the silly thing about this whole argument is that most of the trunk releases i m tempted to say all but there s bound to be a counterexample only operate if the car is on acc or running thus you can t easily pop the trunk without starting the car most cars the only cars i ve ever seen with this feature have been gm cars my mazda honda and coming soon probe all have cable operated releases my camaro had an electric hatch release that was thankfully independent of the key in the ignition the exception to the rule mentioned in my first sentence i should probably have said glovebox trunk releases i haven t encountered any glovebox releases that are cable operated numerous gm and several ford mercury cars that i ve encountered have electrical releases in the glovebox and all of the ones i ve seen needed the ignition on to some degree to operate your camaro example is noted but since it s a hardtop it s not a big deal i ve never run into a convertible with a cable operated trunk release i d agree that in such an environment a cable or always active electrical release would be rather stupid jim frost jimf centerline com my honda has a cable release that can be locked out with the ignition key the valet key can be left with someone and will not unlock the trunk or enable the cable release i remember my mothers corvette that had an electronic hatch release located on the drivers door which was always active the fact that the car had no real trunk makes the security measure of beign able to dis able the hatch release unnecessary
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re did us drive on the left left hand steering wheel placement was not standard until the s in the us driving on the right has been standard since standards came into being interestingly chrysler has just begun building right hand drive cars again for export to japan
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re did us drive on the left desoto s first year of manufacture was so this may indeed have been an export special as left hand controls were standard here by then
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re infiniti g in article cup portal com carl f hoffman cup portal com writes there is a special deal where i can get an infinity g fully loaded at dealer cost i have check this out and the numbers match up they are doing this because they are releasing and update mid version includes dual air bags and want to get rid of their old s is this really the dealer s cost did you get the dealer s cost by looking at the invoice there may be factory to dealer incentives i d check this out since i have trouble believing that a dealer would sell a car to me at his cost dealer invoice is not necessarily the dealer cost teddy
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re lh car order delay in article apr skcla monsanto com mas skcla monsanto com writes i read an article in the chicago tribune stating that chrysler is having problems addressing the demand for the l engine for it s lh cars can anyone post how long they are waiting for an ordered car or how long they have been told they ll have to wait thanks john mas e mail address mas skcla monsanto com i ordered an intrepid es on jan th and haven t seen it yet i called a couple of weeks ago and was told more weeks it s probably time to call again charles johnson intel corporation supercomputer systems division ms co nw greenbrier pkwy beaverton or phone email cfj ssd intel com
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time well you young fellers won t remember but we used to have side vent front windows until some damn bean counter scrapped them these were separate triangular windows at the leading edge of the front doors that pivoted outward at the rear edge worked like a charm yeah i loved the vent windows on my escort hell the only thing i liked about the car one of the things i d like to see brought back does anyone know if they re an option on the new escorts trh
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inflation in car prices anyone have figures or pointers to references about how fast much car prices have gone up in the last decade thanks
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svx oil change my friend brought a subaru svx recently i had drove it for couples times and i think its a great car esp on snow however when she took it to a local subaru dealer for a oil change the bill came out to be about dollars the dealer told us it is because to change the oil filter on a svx it is necessary to disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour at first we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in toronto but found out the they are charging roughly the same price so is there any svx owner out there that has the same problem and if the oil change story is true then the engineer of subaru looks pretty stubid to me by the way the car looks great swd wan
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saab mailing list could someone out there please tell me how i could get onto the saab mailing list specifically i need the address and instructions on what to do thanks in advance pete
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time ak yfn ysu edu john r daker writes cup holders driving is an importantant enough undertaking this is a good idea so you can carry your non alcoholic drinks without spilling or having someone hold on to them cellular phones and mobile fax machines see above fax machines yes cellular phones why not get a hands free model fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs seemingly unique to american luxury cars the big three haven t yet realized that the s are over any gold trim i agree just another display of yuppie excess jon dunn
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need info on mazda i test drove a mazda lx this past weekend and liked it the dealer offered it for k is this a good price any comments on in general please use email thanks peter att hotsoup peng
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re integra gsr in article apr ns cc lehigh edu daz ns cc lehigh edu demosthenis a zeppos writes in article mwf b w w njcc wisdom bubble org jonc njcc wisdom bubble org j on cochran writes i d like to add the beretta gtz as a car which will kick gs r butt anyday and it s a lot cheaper to boot comparing the gtz and gsr is apples to oranges somewhat like a mustang and a crx both have very different ways of doing things and ought to appeal to different buyers i e i don t think an acura owner would be seen dead in a chevy dealership or vice versa stuff deleted are all weather xgtv not to mention that the integra rides alot better than no integra i have seen comes with all season tires the gtz does come with much bigger wheels along with the integra and the car does that with small inch tires that your acceleartion times also vary magazine to magazine road track and car driver have the gs r at to for road and track the c d figures are almost certainly bogus and based on a hot prototype supplied by acura the mt figures are more plausible also quarter mile times vary from to sounds reasonable probably faster than regular integras so the beretta can out handle the integra and it can certainly keep up with it in acceleration and the beretta probably has a higher top speed due to the horsepower advantage hp torque for the integra vs for the beretta you always believe those exact numbers why don t you drive a gs r and see for your self while the gs r has a low torqye its high gearing over a the gsr gearing is horrible for day to day driving it needs a speed box more than any other modern car essentially th in a regualr integra equals th in the gsr and the regular integras are very buzzy at speed rpm make up for the difference still wouldn t call it a torque moster though considering you save almost dollars for the beretta and the quad is a reliable engine it doesn t make sense to get the integra as a the only person i knew with a gtz had it bought back by gm as a lemon it was a piecve of junk but very quick for fwd quad reliable yeah what s your definition of reliable if that s reliable then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect the only gsr owner i know had the engine throw a rod with less than k miles a rare screw up by honda both the gtz and gsr are flawed cars the performance enthusiasts would take the gtz and the cr purchase would be the gsr craig
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re mgbs and the real world in article apr mks com mike mks com mike brookbank writes my sister has an mgb she has one from the last year they were produced its in very good shape i ve been bugging her for years about selling it i ve said over and over that she should sell it before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability grass roots motorsport has a long article about mg b s this month as far as collectivity speculation is concerned they think it is a waste of time especially the later rubber bumpered models are the least desirable a original model the most the reasons for its low value are easy availability and the fact that it just was not a very good car craig which one of us is right are there mgb affectionados out there who are still willing to pay k to k for an old mg are there a lot out in the market mike brookbank mks king st north mike mks com director interopen sales mkt waterloo ontario mortice kern systems inc mks canada n j w fax
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vw passat again kojo valet phx mcd mot com kojo yeboah writes ky to all those who have passats do you recommend using super unleaded or just ky regular unleaded gasoline i have been using regular unleaded a friend of mine has ky a jetta and has always used super unleaded and thinks i should be using the same ky however i believe the advantages of super unleaded for cars and under ky has been overplayed by guess who the companies who sell them because that is ky where they make the most profit a ralph nader report and other consumer advocates ky have in the past spoken against those oil companies your passat vr is designed to run on premium gasoline however the engine electronics will retard the timing so that no harm wil be done to the engine with lower octane fuel you will likely however get somewhat more power and fuel mileage especially in hot weather out of this particular engine if you do run it on premium tom neumann deluxe i sell volkswagens canada remote systems toronto ontario
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re toyota wagons in article apr pmafire inel gov russ pmafire inel gov russ brown writes in article pq bl rj news ysu edu ak yfn ysu edu john r daker writes has anybody noticed that toyota has an uncanny knack for designing horrible ugly station wagons tercels corollas camrys have their designers no aesthetic sense at all the new camry wagon may just be even uglier than my tercel toyota has cornered the market on ugly station wagons after seeing the new camry sedan i had thought toyota would finally turn out something nice looking the new camry station wagon bears a strong resemblance to a hearse and a weird looking one at that teddy
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re photo radar was re rec autos frequently asked questions photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all speeding is a moving violation committed by the operator not the owner the owner may be a rental agency a dealer a private party or a government agency as long as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally or unsafely the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does the car may even have been driven without the owner s knowledge or consent i can t believe a mailed ticket where the driver is not identified would stand up in court this is obviously a lazy cynical boneheaded fascist way to extort revenue and has nothing to do with public safety bk what do photo radar units look like also what major u s cities use it jon dunn
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re most bang for between and your best bet is the dodge intrepid with the sohc valve six it gets hp and has a hell of a lot of room great styling and abs with four wheel disk breaks the lh cars won automobile magazines automobile of the year award and are quiet impressive
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alaska car show peninsula cruisers third annual autofaire what car show for any and all types of vehicles including pedal cars where kenai mall kenai alaska when may who peninsula cruisers car club kenai ak why proceeds of this event to benefit the cooper landing ambulance corps general this car show is open to all types of cars trucks motorcycles factory and modified mild to wild antique special interests race drag mudders hi po or just plain ugly this is a fun event intended for the occassional gear head to the most serious gear slammer we would like to have as many entrants as possible but please contact us for space availability first come first serve p s all out of town entrants can stay right next door at the kenai merrit inn for a special rate of a night single or double occupancy call the merit if you d like any further information you can contact me at the addresses below mel mckay cant drive rebelheart a gorgeous supercoupe remember saves lives saves twice as many rebelheart too old for some things define bitnet fsmlm alaska too young to know define e mail fsmlm acad alaska edu which things
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re was re safety from how far can you see a car in article c rvkm plato ds boeing com simnet plato ds boeing com mark r poulson writes ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes you will be surprised at the number of people who forget their glasses while driving and then there are the people who just plain don t get their eyes checked once a year as someone who has lousy vision i can see objects at a distance without my glasses however they are quite fuzzy and i may not be able to make out the details but i can certainly tell that something is there i won t argue too much about anything i am probably one of those that think that we can t have enough safety on the roads i would gladly sacrifice distractions as you call it than someone having trouble seeing danger earlier one saved life justifies more than my lifetime of distractions for me and then there is dawn and dusk when your eyes have not yet adjusted to the poor light and there are those who drive black grey cars and then there is the case where you are driving down a two way one lane road and someone is overtaking cars and coming the opposite direction doesn t see you because your lights are not on or vice versa at mph that is quite a small reaction time but of course we are too macho to think we are invincible and can react faster than that only the poor sod who you didn t see might not have a normal life ever i worked out the reaction time in a previous post and its plenty even for an year old grandma as long as speeds are in the mph range or less if you or some other driver is going way faster than that then be careful as always you are responsible for your driving actions if you pull out to pass and crash into someone for whatever reason its your fault if you can t problem is that i may just kill the guy i agree that i would be at fault and i will have my license revoked why i might even go to the gas chamber but the fact still remains that the guy is dead someone died because i was too stingy to put on my lights see a damn thing then you shouldn t be driving lights fail fallen trees or rocks don t have lights etc i maintain that headlight strength the ratio of the probability of fallen trees rocks on the roads to oncoming traffic is too low to even be considered the difference is also working on what we know could happen to what might happen running lights are not necessary for motorists who drive around mph it may be a good idea to force the running or headlights on when you turn your windshield wipers on but only because some people are too stupid to do so if you crash into one of those idiots you have to fight it out in court to show his neglegence if you can even prove it just out of curiosity how much gas milage do you loose when you put your lights on and how much do you reduce the life of your head lamps and what is the cost of your headlamps anyway mileage is certainly reduced but by a very very small amount probably about watts for head and running lights this is an extra horsepower that must be made by the engine it may be that this will cost you around two gallons a year but times million cars that s a lot of gas compared to the number of gallons of gas consumed by those million cars it is miniscule whatever tis a pity i have to share the same roads with a person not concerned with safety s ssave ole cdac com lamp life is measured in hours so if you normally drive in half daylight and half night your lamps will have to be replaced twice as often headlamps only cost about us for most halogen lamps the cost to the individual is trivial and to me is not the issue what i don t like is the distractions all these cars with headlights cause i don t need to constantly see the headlights of the vehicle behind me i don t need to see the headlights of every gosh darn car for a mile down the road these lit up cars make non illuminated things less visible like pedistrians and bikes hopefully we re not going to mandate drl s for people and bikes too a stream of taillights is tolerable as are the orange front running lights this is certainly sufficient for other people to see you if they look and doesn t distract me nearly as much as full power headlights mark
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quick question how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins i see only one press button and the rest is snug fit s ssave ole cdac com
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clothing was re male female mystery re dumbest automotive in article pima inn gap caltech edu wen king cs caltech edu wen king su writes this has me thinking is there a biological reason why women can t put their keys in their pants pockets like men do i have two pockets on the back of each of my pants i put my keys in one and wallent in another many of the pockets even have a botton on them so i can close them securely everything is that much simpler for me why can t women do the same is is biological ie not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet or is it the way they are raised by the parents oh pulleeze it s not biology at all it s clothing design women s clothing is generally designed to be as non functional as possible it s only been in the last five years or so that you could buy women s pants with pockets deep enough to carry anything in previously deep pockets were virtually unknown in women s clothing skirts generally have better pockets now too dresses espcially fancy dresses are still pretty hopeless i often hand my driver s license over to my husband if we re dressed up to go out somewhere so i don t have to be encumbered by a purse if women consistently bought functional clothing and boycotted the manufacturers who refuse to make functional women s clothing i think manufacturers would tend to bow to market pressures there s an interesting chapter in susan faludi s backlash that described what happened the last time clothing manufacturers ignored the need for functional women s clothing the manufactuing industry lost millions from a woman who would rather buy men s clothing with decent pockets and long legs and high waists than women s clothing without lmann jjmhome uucp internet laurie mann genie claiming that sex education leads to irresponsible sex is like claiming that driver education leads to car accidents
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re looking to buy dodge stealth have questions in article apr cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article apr usho hou chevron com hhtra usho hou chevron com t m haddock writes i found a mopar spec sheet this weekend model wgt hp stealth stealth es stealth rt stealth rt tt okay i ll take their word for it i am giving every chance to retract figures widely known the mustang is rated at is you have a hp advantage over a mustang seems that the mustang is rated at hp only because ford changed its testing procedures under the older procedures it still rates closer to hp that means that the mustang has hp more and you still haven t posted any weight figures for the mustang big threat you are ko d by a civic acording to c d yeah sure in your wet dreams and that s probably where you got that second for the stealth i ll check c d s issue strange that you claim to have that go ahead and check asshole you ll realize what an idiot you are for not checking data beforeposting car drive may stealth es hp automatic for posts now you ve been harping on this may issue of car driver without posting any numbers why not because they prove me right and you ain t got the guts to admit it yeah thought so the sentra se r really is alot quicker than the hp fwd sports car you are close to the k sentra e go look up the numbers in c d and report please no i m going to play your game no way sentra s are slow i took a test drive and it took to go why even the hyundai excel blows it doors off any yr old knows that i race and i ll kick your butt blah blah blah let s see yep that sounds just like you oh man i just got it beavis butthead that s you who would buy a fwd automatic that costs k that is capable of only a and would plainly be dusted by a se r i dunno why did you but why would someone pick the dodge stealth rt over the nissan sentra all it takes is one look travis
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re w w or w in article foo brad thone c bt wuvmd writes well there is a difference i don t happen to have my sae manual handy but oil viscosity in general decreases with temperature the sae numbers are based on a typical curve that oils used to all have running from say the viscosity of a room temperature weight at c down to say that of a room temperature weight at c for a typical weight oil oils that are designed for operation in normal temperatures just have a weight specification oils that are designed for operation in exceedingly cold temperatures have a w tacked on the end so in winter in a cold place you d stick w in your car in the winter and in it in the summer to approximate the appropriate viscosity throughout the year modern multi viscosity oils change viscosity much less with temperature as a result their viscosity graphs cross over several curves a multi vis specification pegs the curve at two temperatures a normal operating temperature and a cold one though i can t remember the numbers in any event the weights do indicate a significant difference remember that your engine is temperature regulated by the thermostat and radiator or air fins most of the time unless you overheat it or something any weight of oil is better than no oil or than very old carbonized oil thin oil won t in general lubricate as well at temperature thicker oil will like a w will lubricate better at temperature but not as well during startup when most engine wear occurs if you re planning on making long drives the w is probably fine esp in the summer in your w car but if you re making short drives stick to the w don t drink soap dilute dilute ok
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re looking to buy dodge stealth have questions in article apr usho b hou chevron com hhtra usho b hou chevron com t m haddock writes in article apr cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article apr usho hou chevron com hhtra usho hou chevron com t m haddock writes i found a mopar spec sheet this weekend model wgt hp stealth stealth es stealth rt stealth rt tt okay i ll take their word for it these arethe numbers i have been stating in the past messages it really angers me that you insisted you were right and that you had no clue what your own car weighed why didn t you check when i first told you that your figures were implausible i am giving every chance to retract figures widely known the mustang is rated at is you have a hp advantage over a mustang seems that the mustang is rated at hp only because ford changed its testing procedures under the older procedures it still rates closer to hp that means that the mustang has hp more i d like to hear a better explanatin of how you come to that conclusion from the above data big threat you are ko d by a civic acording to c d yeah sure in your wet dreams and that s probably where you got no sorry your wrong again you quoted the del sol as doing in according to c d interestingly the stealth es which is faster than your rt does the samerun in seconds according to c d kind of embarassing isn t it why didn t you check the figures before posting it only makes you look stupid when you are caught out twice with your own figures that second for the stealth i ll check c d s issue strange that you claim to have that you really should have checked go ahead and check asshole you ll realize what an idiot you are for not checking data beforeposting car drive may stealth es hp automatic for posts now you ve been harping on this may issue of car driver without posting any numbers why not because they prove me right and you ain t got the guts to admit it yeah thought so if you insist i gave you every chance to retract but dodge stealth es auto does an wonder why you couldn t find it do you realize that a k sentra c d will run a that a sentra se r or saturn will run in the s don t you think it is kind of strange that your hp sports car is so easily beaten a mustang which weights about the same according to your numbers has less power and is much quicker care to explain don t be abusive just try and come up with a rational explanation of where those hp went to its a mystery to me the sentra se r really is alot quicker than the hp fwd sports car you are close to the k sentra e go look up the numbers in c d and report please no i m going to play your game no way sentra s are slow i took a test drive and it took to go why even the hyundai excel blows it doors i guess you drove a speed and couldn t shift craig
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storing a car long term i bought a car with a defunct engine to use for parts for my old but still running version of the same car the car i bought has good tires is there anything in particular that i should do to store the defunct car long term i d hate to have parts of it go bad someone has told me it s bad for the tires to not move the car once in a while is this true do i need some props to take the weight of the tires best to reply by mail i am getting spotty news delivery kris a kugel hico kak kak hico westmark com
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re did us drive on the left the reason i ask is because i went to a classic car meet here in the uk and saw a very nice old de soto s vintage i d guess with wooden artillery type wheels etc but it was right hand drive i can t believe that desoto produced rhd cars just for the uk well sweden and australia and lord knows wherever else used to drive on the wrong side of the road so the export market might have been larger then than just the uk i m guessing but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down cattle trails and in wagon ruts i am fairly sure that placement of the steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time by the s there was a very active good roads movement which had its origins actually in the s during the bicycle craze picked up steam in the teens witness the linclon highway association or so and the us highway support act real name something different in that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent roads also the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic transport during ww convinced the government that good raods were crucial to our national defense anyway by the s there were plenty of good roads at least around urban areas and they were rapidly expanding into the countryside this was the era after all of the first auto touring fad the motel the auto camp ground etc two good books on the subject spring to mind warren belasco america on the road title may not be exact author is and another called the devil wagon in god s country author i forget also any of john flink s or john bell rae s auto histories as to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary by the early teens there were virtually no american cars that did not have the wheel on the left in the early days cars had the wheel on the left on the right and even in the middle as well as sometimes having a tiller instead of a wheel this was standardized fairly early on though i don t know why dan dh q andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university applied history world history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe whether we can comprehend and prove it or not oswald spengler
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any subaru liberty owners out there i ve had my subaru liberty wd station wagon for about months now saying i m happy with it would be an understatement just great well built handles beautifully plenty of power i ve only had if off tar once did a trip over the mountains on a narrow windy dirt road often very dodgey in parts the subaru did it with ease i havent had so much fun driving a car for years any other owners out there steve green hey rocky watch me pull a rabbit outa my hat comms group that trick never works its branch nothin up my sleeve presto csiro australia no doubt about it i gotta get another hat
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re difference between lexus series from article apr ucsu colorado edu by lorenzo rintintin colorado edu eric lorenzo what is the difference between the ls es and gs seems lexus can t stop popping out new models let me put it like this the only similarity between the three models is the or liter engine displacement actually the sc the coupe and the gs the funky looking new sedan share the same liter inline six and the es popular small sedan uses v shared with the camry the sc is a luxury sports coupe the gs is the new luxury sedan and the es is the base executive sedan all three look completely different aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu why should i care i d rather watch drying paint
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re most bang for between and rmt r faraday clas virginia edu roy matthew thigpen writes your best bet is the dodge intrepid with the sohc valve six it gets hp and has a hell of a lot of room great styling and abs with four wheel disk breaks the lh cars won automobile magazines automobile of the year award and are quiet impressive is the v lh under k though chintan amin the university of illinois urbana champaign mail llama uiuc edu because he was human because he had goodness because he was moral they called him insane peart cinderella man
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re saturn s pricing policy cs cs brown edu hok chung tsang writes in article c vir l r shuksan ds boeing com fredd shuksan fred dickey writes carolinafan uiuc cka uxa cso uiuc edu wrote the biggest problem some people seem to be having is that saturn dealers make k on a car i think most will agree with me that the car is comparably priced with its competitors that is they aren t overpriced compared to most cars in their class i don t understand the point of arguing over whether the dealer makes the k or not i have never understood what the big deal over dealer profits is either the only thing that i can figure out is that people believe that if they minimize the dealer profit they will minimize their total out of pocket expenses for the car while this may be true in some cases i do not believe that it is generally true i bought a saturn sl in january of at that time based on studying car prices i decided that there was no comparable car that was priced as cheaply as the saturn sure maybe i could have talked the price for some other car to the saturn price but my out of pocket expenses wouldn t have been any different what s important to me is how much money i have left after i buy the car reducing dealer profit is not the same thing as saving money show me how reducing dealer profit saves me money and i ll believe that it s important my experience has been that reducing dealer profit does not necessarily save me money fred say you bought your saturn at k with a dealer profit of k if the dealer profit is then you would only be paying k for the same car so isn t that saving money yes but the point is that prices are competetive saturn may well be selling a car intended on giving the dealer a profit but since a comperable honda with profit is more expensive it may be well worth it to buy the saturn moreover if saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by then their cars will be even better deals say if the price of a saturn was already below market average for the class of cars then after they reduce the dealer profit it would be below market average it will attract even more people to buy saturns because it would save them money force the competitors to lower their prices to survive now not only will saturn owners benefit from a lower dealer profit even the buyers for other cars will pay less not necessarily it seems to me that saturn salesdroids who don t make a commision whereas their counterparts at other dealerships generally do make more per hour or whatever this means that saturn doesn t give up the profit to their employees through commision which is taken out of per car profits they just pass it along to less pressureing salesmen women isn t that saving money maybe maybe not depends on accounting practices i d rather pay more for dealer service that doesn t cut corners to contain costs doug cka carolina blue honda civic dx chintan amin the university of illinois urbana champaign mail llama uiuc edu because he was human because he had goodness because he was moral they called him insane peart cinderella man
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thinking about buying intrepid good or bad idea i m thinking of buying a new dodge intrepid has anyone had any experiences that they d like to share thanks bobc
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re quick question in article foo ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins why are you posting this tripe to rec autos vw don t drink soap dilute dilute ok
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re spark plug question in article mgolden cwis mgolden cwis unomaha edu brian golden writes the nice thing about real platinum plugs is that you don t have to change them very often at all i think like miles they might cost each but they would save for themselves in the long run my t bird sc s manual says to replace the platinum plugs every mi wal mart has autolite platinum plugs for each are these real platinum plugs i had bosch platinums in my fiesta and my dad had em in his bronco note the keyword had they didn t last very long much less than mi before they had to be replaced i agree that they weren t the greatest james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i m not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder t bird sc it s a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all he s ever gonna have will munny unforgiven
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re did us drive on the left in article yfkbjqs uh e tfo andrew cmu edu daniel u holbrook dh q andrew cmu edu writes stuff about rhd desoto s deleted well sweden and australia and lord knows wherever else used to drive on australians still do drive on the wrong side of the road i believe sweden changed in the way i heard it was that they swapped all the traffic signs around one sunday the wrong side of the road so the export market might have been larger then than just the uk craig
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re quick question newsgroups rec autos rec autos vw subject re quick question summary expires sender reply to ct cunixa cc columbia edu constantino tobio followup to distribution organization columbia university keywords removing panels in article apr ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins i see only one press button and the rest is snug fit s ssave ole cdac com quick question why are you posting this to a vw newsgroup newsgroups rec autos rec autos vw subject re quick question summary distribution world organization columbia university keywords newsgroups rec autos rec autos vw newsgroups rec autos rec autos vw subject re quick question summary expires references apr ole cdac com sender reply to ct cunixa cc columbia edu constantino tobio followup to distribution organization columbia university keywords removing panels in article apr ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins i see only one press button and the rest is snug fit s ssave ole cdac com quick question why are you posting this to a vw newsgroup constantino tobio jr ct columbia edu tremble you weaklings cower in fear i am your ruler land sea and air immense in my girth erect i stand tall i m a nuclear murderer i am polaris megadeth rust in peace
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re saturn puzzled by its pricing in article apr cbfsb cb att com ykhsu cbnewsf cb att com yung kao hsu writes i am the person who started out this subject to me the question really is not about dealer profit but the amount of money for the type of car i ve settled with a new subaru wagon with the similar amount of money a saturn dealer asked for a sw ok i know it s a model but i think i got a better car though i have to adjust my initial idea of why i am getting a new car today during a conversion with a friend i learned he rejected a saturn for a ford tarurs as it only costed him a little bit more than a sl i may be wrong but a loaded tarus beats a saturn sl i agree that a fully loaded sl would come close in price to a lower end ford taurus a fully loaded taurus on the other hand would still be substantially more expensive than even the most glitzy sl a fully loaded sl would run somewhere around while a fully loaded taurus lx would be somewhere around the range a base taurus gl i believe might start around of course there is the taurus sho which can push if you really try but this is a totally different car than your mainstream taurus sedan your statement was not entirely faulty just a little inaccurate i can t see saturn is of better value and that is why i was puzzled by its pricings oh we did not spend much time getting our deals being better informed has its advantages well that s ok at least you re not bitching about dealer profits like some of the other netters are you seem to have rationally picked out the car that is best for you the loyale is an aging design that is about to be replaced by the impreza wagon so you probably got a good deal on one of the last ones then again i may be wrong yung kao hsu mihir shah mps cec wustl edu
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integra ls for sale integra ls for sale speed sunroof rear spoiler new tires k miles or best offer call email att hotsoup peng
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re integra gsr in article apr ns cc lehigh edu daz ns cc lehigh edu demosthenis a zeppos writes why don t you look again at motor trend s slalom times they are right along with the integra and the car does that with small inch tires that are all weather xgtv not to mention that the integra rides alot better than a beretta my gs came with xgt v s and they are not all weather tires i took out my right front bumper sliding on packed snow not ice before i learned this fact i immediately bought xgt h s which are definately all weather a carrera i walk by everyday has xgt v s on it even the michelin dealer where i bought my new tires said the v s were made out of a different rubber that gets really hard and slick when the weather gets near feezing said he d only try to sell me those tires during the winter if we were in texas and not colorado thanks eric o an inactive lifestyle eric j lorenzo violates our genetic warranty lorenzo rintintin colorado edu not to excercise is not also spot ucsu to be fully human keith johnsgard
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awd bmw any truth to the rumor of an awd series for i believe this info was published in either popular science or autoweek a couple of months ago also a friend told me that bmw used to make an awd called the ix i d appreciate any info about this car too thanks thanks tim
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re saturn performance was re saturn puzzled by its pricing in article fjdcfu iv i kap andrew cmu edu jason m roth jr q andrew cmu edu writes i can t imagine any civic or saturn owners flex n there egos in stop light races it generates as much excitement as two nerds challenging each other in a game of one on one basketball the sl does in about note that this is closer to a than to a paseo or storm pseudo sporty cars that s a ridiculous comparison i know but the point is that saturns and high end civics for that matter accelerate just fine in fact better than most unimproved muscle cars of the s hp is great but tied to tons it just doesn t go that quick saturns on the other hand use hp tied to lbs with some short gearing to move very quickly off the line anyway while your time is consistent with most car magazines and reports i saw the pbs motorweek show clock a speed sl at seconds i m sure that most sl owners will be very lucky to get this speed but seconds is still astonishingly fast for a small door a new civic ex runs about seconds if i m not mistaken most cars in this class are lucky to be in the second range mihir shah
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re awd bmw in europe you can buy a ix with computer controlled diffs rather than the horrid viscous coupled ones of the outgoing ix eliot
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re did us drive on the left in article apr cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes deleted lines well sweden and australia and lord knows wherever else used to drive on australians still do drive on the wrong side of the road i believe sweden changed in the way i heard it was that they swapped all the traffic signs around one sunday as i live in sweden i remember the day perfectly well we changed side or sep i don t remeber the exactly time but it was in the night in the big cities like stockholm gothenburg all trafic was forbidden exept busses and taxis during the whole weekend the day was a sunday and everything was prepared in before before the day we was told to follow the yellow lines on the road and after it was the white one that matters the signs with arrows on was prepared with a left mode label that was torn off that night to reveal the new right mode arrow the year after iceland also changed about cars before the h day h as in hoegertrafik hoeger is swedish and stands for right practically all cars already had their steering wheels on the left side even the imported cars from uk had the wheel on the right side at last we have cars with the wheels on the right side more contries that uses the left side is japan tanzania i think new zeeland how about south africa btw some sais that the left side is the right side because ivanhoe and other knights meet at the left when they fight in tournaments deleted lines kent gabrin celsiustech systems my thinking is not as great as s jaerfaella sweden oliver berendinus bumble will try kega celsiustech se company sold again former name was nobeltech
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re what is volvo and all of these cars are driven fairly hard none of them are at the head of a line of cars going mph the first two spend a lot of their operating life with the speedometer pegged and the only reason the doesn t is it has a mph speedo what i want to know is have all you people who hate volvos been traumatized by someone in a turbo wagon blowing you away on the road or what turbo in uk was good for mph useful for blowing away vw beetles though i believe the beetle corners better i can say without any doubt that i have never been blown away by any volvo ever i ve been blocked into a few car parks though by shit head volvo owners who only thought they d be a few minutes this does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car not sure how long the small shit box volvos last too damn long the worst car i ever drove was a hired in power handling and ride it was reminiscent of something from the s without the character the only ceased production a couple of years back i ve only been a passenger in the big volvos but that was enough i ought to go for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts
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re anti theft devices in article rphroy ph gmr com rhaar gmr com bob haar writes in article kocrsv delcoelect com jdmooney kocrsv delcoelect com john d mooney writes someone writes btw somebody stole the front grille off my beat up nissan sentra a few weeks ago i couldn t believe it i m just driving around without it now years ago my brother lived in a rough area he left his nova parked on the street in front of his house for a few days one day he went to move it back into the driveway it wouldn t start seems some industrious fool needed a nova gas tank the fool found one under my brothers car the engines in vw beatles are quite easy to remove without entering the car or even opening the engine compartment how would you like to find that your car wouldn t start because the engine was stolen i would probobly feel a hell of a lot poorer a gas tank is about in a junkyard an engine more seriously though my other brother darrell left his vw on the same street someone stole the radiator out of it try finding a vw radiator in a junkyard i dare you jd john d mooney delco electronics general motors jdmooney kocrsv delcoelect com opinions expressed are mine not necessarily de s or gm s
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re bullet proof luxury sedans in article pnigoinn in senator bedfellow mit edu chsu mtl mit edu charles h hsu writes i am interested to find out if there is any domestic car manufacturer especially gm and ford which produces bullet proof luxury sedans i understand caddy is working on one double battery super high perf engine more gauges a bit stretched etc lots of communication equipment the works color selection is limited though the problem is that the guy at penn avenue is about to get it pres clinton last time it was a lincoln this time a caddy i am just wondering if this so called bullet proof perhaps reinforced windows special materials for the body engine etc luxury car lincoln and cadillac models is readily available to the public not to my knowledge i know gm does conversion work for things like hot climates i e the chevy caprices sold to the middle east but things like that are always done by third parties not the manufacturer maybe you will need to buy a specific package that has beefed up everything perhaps the police cruiser package on the caprice crown vic and start from there do we have to go through any special dealership to obtain these cars i would really like to hear from anyone who has experience with the bullet proof cars and i wuz drivin along in my armored seville sts and this punk pulls out of nowhere with an rpg rocket propelled grenade but the bulletproof windshield stopped him don t think many people on the net have a need for bulletproof cars check with local armored service companies security bodyguard places they d know best i think your average luxury car dealer will have a coronary if you told them i ll take the blue caprice with options fz fuzzy dice pr power everything and ar armor any information regarding the dealers and after market shops that have bullet proof lincoln s and cadillac s is greatly appreciated you may email me at chsu mtl mit edu or post the message in this newsgroup if you believe other netters might be interested as well btw same information on mercedes benz bmw lexus and infiniti luxury sedans is needed as well if you have it i believe an article on the conversion process appeared in the car press within the last few months spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c st kocrsv delcoelect com software technology delco electronics gm hughes electronics kokomo in a different kind of disclaimer
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re top reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article c wjgq a constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes no at six years you are nearing the end of the design life of the vehicle when everything should be breaking at that point the driving habits make more difference than the actual reliability of the vehicle so the data becomes unreliable for drawing conclusions bad driving habits can damage a car in a couple of months not years if that were not the case everyone would be driving fleet rental re solds and while you are considering things factors in stat terms how about city vs highway driving ratios owner vs dealer service extreme weather or environment adherence sp to maintenance schedules whether the car has ever been in an accident number of different drivers of the same car in a family whether the car is garaged warmed up spiros spiros triantafyllopoulos c st kocrsv delcoelect com software technology delco electronics gm hughes electronics kokomo in a different kind of disclaimer
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re most bang for between and in rec autos cpkjp vm cc latech edu kevin parker writes i d like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the to price range i m looking for a car with enough civility to be driven every day or even on long trips but when i hit the gas i want to feel some acceleration handling is important also as are reliability and pretty low maintenance costs a stylish appearance is nice but i don t want a car that is all show and not much go even though many of the imports are fast i don t really want a turbo and i never have cared for the song sung by a four clyinder i d prefer a v or v for the engine if you have any suggestions kevin parker there s only one car that really fits your needs it s spelled liter mustang
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re w w or w as an additional data point i have run castrol w exclusively in the following cars rabbit scirocco rabbit bus beetle bus jetta gli i ve never had an oil related problem disclaimer it gets mighty hot down here kenneth finnegan navo navy mil
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time dunnjj ucsu colorado edu dunn jonathan james writes ak yfn ysu edu john r daker writes cup holders driving is an importantant enough undertaking this is a good idea so you can carry your non alcoholic drinks without spilling or having someone hold on to them i agree six hour long stretches behind the wheel really make me thirsty especially for something with caffeine i consider it a failing of my car that it has no cup holder nor anywhere to put a cup holder jim frost jimf centerline com
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re what is volvo boyle bbsls bnr ian boyle writes turbo in uk was good for mph useful for blowing away vw beetles though i believe the beetle corners better i can say without any doubt that i have never been blown away by any volvo ever i ve been blocked into a few car parks though by shit head volvo owners who only thought they d be a few minutes this does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car not sure how long the small shit box volvos last too damn long the worst car i ever drove was a hired in power handling and ride it was reminiscent of something from the s without the character the only ceased production a couple of years back i ve only been a passenger in the big volvos but that was enough i ought to go for a test drive because they offer some neat gifts oh well i have to admit that the most disgusting feature of volvo s is their marketing it looks like volvo uses something like do you dare to risk your family in any car attitude which is quite annoying in the long run but now volvo has produced a new good car the volvo front drive l valves motor completely new chassis etc even the british magazine car liked it and believe me that is quite much for a volvo and the american magazine road track said that this is not your uncle olof s car and in a positive sense but in any case i d still like to own the estate strong tank like chassis l inline six rear drive btw the only car drivers who have blocked me are land rover or jaguar drivers what you mean what i drive a cheapo japanese a toyota of course i do not have money for a car like bmw merc jaguar saab volvo or etc if i had the money i would have bad problems deciding which one to buy
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re photo radar was re rec autos frequently in article viewlogic com brad buck viewlogic com bradford kellogg writes in article mar cabot balltown cma com welty cabot balltown cma com richard welty writes q what is ka band radar where is it used should a radar detector be able to handle it a ka band has recently been made available by the fcc for use in the us in so called photo radar installations in these installations a low powered beam is aimed across the road at a degree angle to the direction of traffic and a picture is taken of vehicles which the radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle because of the low power and the degree angle many people believe that a radar detector cannot give reasonable warning of a ka band radar unit although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such capability anyway the number of locales where photo radar is in use is limited and some question the legality of such units best advice learn what photo radar units look like and keep track of where they are used or else don t speed photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all speeding is a moving violation committed by the operator not the owner the owner may be a rental agency a dealer a private party or a government agency as long as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally or unsafely the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does the car may even have been driven without the owner s knowledge or consent i can t believe a mailed ticket where the driver is not identified would stand up in court this is obviously a lazy cynical boneheaded fascist way to extort revenue and has nothing to do with public safety bk we had those f g photo radar things here in sweden a while ago there was a lot of fuzz about them and a lot of sabotage too a spray can with touch up paint can do a lot of good eventually they had to drop the idea as there were a lot of court cases where the owner of the car could prove he didn t drive it at the time of speeding i especially recall a case where it eventually proved to be a car thief that had stolen a car and made false plates he ofcourse chose a license number of a identical car so the photo seemed correct in conclosion photo radar sucks every way you look at it markus
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clifford delta car alarm just found a great deal on a clifford delta car alarm installed comes with glass break sensor motion detector and shock detector does anyone have one of these alarms are they any good from the looks of it its about the best on the market for the price it s also on sale so that s another reason to get it i think i ll be saving almost any opinions eric lucas
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re jeep grand vs toyota runner in article pq p p seven up east sun com jfox hooksett east sun com writes any reason you are limited to the two mentioned they aren t really at the same point along the suv spectrum not to mention price range how about the explorer trooper blazer montero and if the budget allows the land cruiser any advice on how to buy a land cruiser my local toyota dealer says they get two a year and if i want one i can just get on the waiting list forget about a test drive or even kicking the tires and if they are that rare i doubt there is much of a parts inventory on hand land crusier is just simply nice with shit load of power and room fully stocked it cost i think it is worth the money only problem is when you get into accident it doesn t usually break down unless you forget to get a oil change for miles or something stupid like this body parts and other parts are very hard to locate parts are over priced also one of my friend had accident in past snow storm and he is still waiting for front bumper and passenger side fender well if you test drive land cruiser all other suv look like toys one of magazine writer called it land bruiser if you have to spare for suv get land cruiser and forget lange rover sang
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re integra gsr in article apr cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes miles a rare screw up by honda both the gtz and gsr are flawed cars the performance enthusiasts would take the gtz and the cr purchase would be the gsr the cr purchase would be the ford probe gt john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasn t it the black adder
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re top reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr car salesmen love their new car buying service car salesmen rec auto readers turned into expert statistics critics lucky owners of cr unreliable cars who say mine never had a problem those same owners joining the sceptics a few months later and later subscribing to cr and taking it soooo seriously and later on buying a cr idealized family sedan and my number the spectacle of the religious fervour of the cr true believers tom haapanen tomh metrics com software metrics inc waterloo ont stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth now pull up that s how the corrado makes you feel car january
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re experience opinions sought diesel engines in article hydra gatech edu jkg jmp com writes apologies if this is a faq is there a faq posting for this group i am an infrequent reader of rec autos so i can t remember i am in the market for a used chevy suburban and have observed that prices for models with diesel engines run about less than comparable models with a gas engine there has to be a reason for this yes there is consumer confusion in the early s with the fuel crisis etc everyone wanted better fuel mileage diesel fuel was the cheapest fuel available and usually provides better mileage than comparable gasoline engines so gm decided to conver their gas engine into a diesel engine i think was a liter big mistake the engine was not redesigned but converted the engine could not handle the higher compression etc lots of problems with these cars this thew up a big red flag to the casual observer don t buy a diesel they are bad this was a gross generalization ask yourself this question if your livelihood depended on driving lots of it would you use a dependable or undependable but cheaper in the short run vehicle what do greyhound busses have in them trailer trucks even train locomotives are these gasoline engines no they are diesel tractor trailer truck manufacturers provide a mile warrantee with they vehicles i own an diesel suburban the l diesel is a great engine just keeps going it was more expensive when new than the gasoline engine vehicle was the only problem with diesel engines is that when they need to be rebuilt they are expensive in a gas engine you will pay about for a rebuild diesel l is about but then again the diesel engine lasts about twice as long and gets about better mileage a carburator for a gasoline engine costs about to rebuild or less a rebuild of the fuel injection pump on a diesel will cost about or more but then again you never need a tune up if you re looking at a rebuilt l i d say you got a great deal check to see if the fuel injection pump was rebuilt also good luck
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re necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership in article apr cbnewsl cb att com prm cbnewsl cb att com paul r mount writes in your experience how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning will do much more good than just using detergent gas while i agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day how clogged do they get and is a good price or can i do it myself by buying a can of what and doing what a fuel injector cleaning at the dealer is probably little more than them opening your gas tank dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner and sending you on your merry way poorer go to kmart and buy the cleaner yourself for just because you dealer sez you need it don t mean it s necessarily so be suspicious jim grey jwg acd acd com
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rfd rec autos saab request for discussion this is a request for discussion on the creation of a newsgroup concerning saab cars it will allow participaants to exchange information on purchasing maintaining repairing and outfitting saabs group name rec autos saab status unmoderated rationale there may be enough people with saab cars or interested in buying a saab or interested in knowing more about saabs for any reason to justify such a new newsgroup the recent growth of the net could improve the turnaround time between posing a question and receiving answers from the community discussion comments on this proposed new newsgroup should be posted to the usenet newsgroup news groups if the reader is not able to do so comments may be e mailed to the proposer at the address below voting if no problems arise voting will start month from the posting date of this rfd proposer tommy reingold tommy boole att com tommy reingold at t bell labs holmdel nj tommy boole att com or att boole tommy
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re audiwatch update tm in article apr news cs brandeis edu andyh chaos cs brandeis edu andrew j huang writes in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu bqueiser magnus acs ohio state edu brian j queiser writes powell interlan interlan com glen d powell writes the kind of corporate raiding apparently undertaken by vw is shameful agreed however the particular execs had been working with iggy for many years and had left gm europe to go to detroit with their raison andy i was out of date vw is stealing execs directly from opel independent of lopez shameful andy
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re quick question in article apr ole cdac com ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes how do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an honda prelude the speaker went scratchy and i want to access its pins there is something going on here it seems that once a month the vw group must have get a specific detailed question about hondas i would like to ask that next month we get one about hyundai instead of honda thank you andy
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re male female mystery re dumbest automotive concepts of all time bets chester ksu ksu edu beth schwindt writes this has me thinking is there a biological reason why women can t put their keys in their pants pockets like men do i have two pockets on the back of each of my pants i put my keys in one and wallent in another many of the pockets even have a botton on them so i can close them securely everything is that much simpler for me why can t women do the same is is biological ie not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet or is it the way they are raised by the parents i ve found that it has to do with the way women s clothes are made if you put keys in the front pocket of women s jeans or slacks you get a bulge that also tends to make it impossible to sit down because they stick you constantly ditto in the back pocket also try looking at the back pockets of women s jeans and compare them to the back pockets on men s jeans they are usually if you buy jeans that you expect to last for any length of time about half the size there flat out isn t room for a wallet or a bunch of keys besides which where would men put all their crap if their wives didn t carry purses the same place single men do wallet in back pocket comb in other back pocket keys in front pocket knive in other from pocket pen in shirt pocket or front pants pocket or do married men start carrying around a bunch of stuff to keep there women happy beth mark b
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performance of new mustangs does anyone know the performance ratings for a or l ho mustang lx like the time mile and top end also can you tell me which magazine where these s come from so i can look them up if possable if you could the year and month and eveen page if you have it thanks doug
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us made m b suv mercedes benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport utility vehicles in the us by they are targeted at the jeep grand cherokee et al and will reportedly sell for less than did anyone see a picture is it the g wagon gelaendewagen currently available in europe and in the us by grey market or is it an entirely new vehicle any details would be appreciated dick meyer applied research laboratory penn state
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re us made m b suv in article rsm psuvm psu edu rsm psuvm psu edu writes mercedes benz announced yesterday its plans to begin building sport utility vehicles in the us by they are targeted at the jeep grand cherokee et al and will reportedly sell for less than did anyone see a picture is it the g wagon gelaendewagen currently there is a picture in the may edition of european car although it may not be on the shelf yet some things that the article says prototype has front wheel drive first front drive for mercedes since the beginning of wwii wheelbase m seater they claim that the price will be about the same as a renault espace or chrysler voyager dm looking at the picture slightly disguised it looks like the ford aerostar to me available in europe and in the us by grey market or is it an entirely new vehicle any details would be appreciated dick meyer applied research laboratory penn state larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo v fahrvergnugen forever the fact that i need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn t understand anyway
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re w w or w in article jgladu jgladu bcm tmc edu grungy john f gladu writes in article apr cs tulane edu finnegan invader navo navy mil kenneth finnegan wrote as an additional data point i have run castrol w exclusively in the following cars rabbit scirocco rabbit bus beetle bus jetta gli i ve never had an oil related problem add mine to that list superbeetles bugs dddpanel cringe toyota tercel it s my wife s car honest i m still chicken about running it in the vanagon that s got castrol w in it i don t understand this last statement about the vanagon our vanagon owner s manual recommends w ari ollikainen former vw fanatic bug bug porschepower porsche sc bugauto stick camper camper westfalia vwporsche westfalia vanagon westfalia and now only vanagoncarat
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honda crx for sale my friend david gordon wants to sell his honda some of the details of th e car are as follows five speed a c am fm cassette stereo ps pb rear window defroster excellent condition asking obo please call him at
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re necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership in article apr acd acd com jwg sedv acd com jim grey writes in article apr cbnewsl cb att com prm cbnewsl cb att com paul r mount writes in your experience how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning will do much more good than just using detergent gas while i a fuel injector cleaning at the dealer is probably little more than them opening your gas tank dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner and sending you on your merry way poorer go to kmart and buy the cleaner yourself for this should not be the case if they are at all reputable fuel injector cleaning is done properly with a can of injector cleaner solvent which is hooked up to the fuel system under high pressure the car is actually run on the solvent during the cleaning process the equipment to properly do this is pricey and generally not something the average home mechanic has the solvent itself is not very expensive and you could probably make up a hose to fit your system and do it yourself but i didn t tell you that not many in tank cleaners are worth wasting your money on there has been a discussion of these products on here from time to time and chevron techron not pro gard with techron is generally regarded as the best it is however a bit more than a bottle imho it will not substitute for proper injector cleaning if they are really crudded up you ll have to decide if the price is a better deal than spending your time and or buying equipment to do it scott keller the agricultural group of monsanto company sekell bb t monsanto com ka wch packet ka wch k pfx mo usa na
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used taurus sho purchase quoting jeffrey j nucciarone s nucci microwave gsfc nasa gov article c g hv cs skates gsfc nasa gov of in pertinent part jj i am considering buying a used taurus sho the car in jj question has k miles i took it for a test drive the other day jj and a few questions came up jj jj jj second is there anything i should specifically look for in an jj sho of this vintage anything i should specifically ask abt jj brakes cluthch etc i noticed on the drive the clutch engagemen jj point seemed a little high since all my other cars are auto tragics jj i m not sure abt this point i had my foot firmly planted on the jj brake when i started it up there was a bit of a pop in the pedal jj soon after the engine started this also occured on a few t bird sc jj i test drove was this the abs self test brake rotors and the clutch are the main things there has been a clutch replacement program you might check to see if the car is still eligible as it is a change well worth making you can also swap the cruddy cable shifter for the newer rod shifter also a change worth making but that ll cost you some my brakes usually do one wibble wobble on startup so that is probably normal didn t know they had a self test that s interesting what kind of tires does the car have on it winqwk b for a good time dial on your sho
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time my ford has vent windows operated by a crank just like a window only it opened out like a normal vent window my f my dad s bronco and pretty much every truck i ve seen that s worth riding in has vent windows does that mean that i m not a young feller anymore james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center i don t understand the fascination with vent windows they create a tremendous turbulence and noise that makes even a simple connversation impossible at speeds above mph the current flow throuh ventilation if designed right are far more superior bijan
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time not exactly dumb but who remebers the tachometer on the or firebird bulging out of the hood right in front of the driver neat place but i love to know what the elemnts did to its internals after a few years also does the speedomete pointer on many us cars have to be feet long bijan
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re was re safety from how far can you see a car ssave ole cdac com the devil reincarnate writes these lit up cars make non illuminated things less visible like pedistrians and bikes hopefully we re not going to mandate drl s for people and bikes too well drl s are already mandatory for motorcycles jon hacker get the os march beta cd rom caltech pasadena ca for hacker tumbler ridge caltech edu call ibm os
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re top reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article apr news cs brandeis edu andyh chaos cs brandeis edu andrew j huang writes in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article apr metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr or the spectacle of macho real men who would never bother to read the magazine but are more than apt to criticize it but that s the point we do read it or at least we did then we found that their recommendations were useless and uninformed then we write lists the cr flame war is so easy to start because they are so wrong and claim to be so right and so thorough andy ok if you are so right name a few good examples that were brought up john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasn t it the black adder
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re car insurance help in article c x yq l news claremont edu ochaine jarthur claremont edu ollie north chaine writes help my car insurance has been cancelled for the second time in a row i still haven t gotten in touch with my agent from aaa because she s out for the week but my mom said that i got a call saying that my insurance was going to be cancelled because of an accident not even a fender bender that was never declared or anything besides the fact that i have no idea how they found out about this the only other thing that could bug them is that i have ticket but i told them about it and they said that it wasn t a problem if i go to another insurance i know i will end up paying more b c i already shopped around for this one and i can t afford to pay for the insurance especially since i still haven t gotten the the two insuance companies are supposed to refund me i just got a new saturn sl and can t afford the car payments and the insurance but i bought the car having gotten a quote from state farm which they later went back on please help me what legal rights do i have can i make state farm who originally gave me the quote give me that rate they made a mistake after i signed all the papers i did not give any false evidence how can i get my money back for the car if i can t pay for the insurance i m deperate ollie i just went through this mess in new jersey i m still waiting for a refund as well namely that the original company made a mistake and left me in the lurch my recourse was through nj s insurance dept office of consumer protection you should have a similar office in your state make use of it good luck chris behanna dod h d fxwg wide glide jubilee s red lady behanna syl nj nec com cb t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec zx pending delivery agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs
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re top reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article apr metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr car salesmen love their new car buying service and later on buying a cr idealized family sedan and my number the spectacle of the religious fervour of the cr true believers or the spectacle of macho real men who would never bother to read the magazine but are more than apt to criticize it hey i m a macho real man and i do read it so i can criticize it all i want especially since i pay for the publication they accept no outside advertising don t you know john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasn t it the black adder relying on consumer reports to pick your automobiles is like letting field stream select your living room furniture kenneth finnegan navo navy mil
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re lh car order delay i read an article in the chicago tribune stating that chrysler is having problems addressing the demand for the l engine for it s lh cars can anyone post how long they are waiting for an ordered car or how long they have been told they ll have to wait ordered mine december got it nine weeks later but the dealer said that new orders were being held up he didn t expect to see any more l engine lhs for awhile andrew klossner andrew frip wv tek com
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re male female mystery re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article pq tkinnbek chester ksu ksu edu bets chester ksu ksu edu beth schwindt writes besides which where would men put all their crap if their wives didn t carry purses beth my wife rarely carries a purse so all of her crap ends up in my pockets ron deblock rdb homxb att com that s a number in rdb not letter l at t bell labs somerset nj usa
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illegal tint windows i know it s a long shot but maybe someone went through this and will have some comments to share the story is this i bought a car out of state and i m trying to get the safety inspection in pennsylvania the problem is that the car has aftermarket tint on all windows except the windshield the tint is rather weak and you can clearly see the inside of the car through the tint the inspection garage said that they won t pass it unless i get a waiver from the state police so i went to the state police the officer told me that aftermarket tint is illegal and i can get a waiver only for a pre car or for a medical reason i asked him to show me the section of the vehicle code that says it s illegal he showed it to me and the paraghaph said that you can t have tint if you can t see the inside of the car because of the tint when i told him that you can in fact see the inside very well he shut the book and said it s just illegal and in fact we can have someone give you a ticket for it right now well won t argue with that since the vehicle code says it s ok as long as you can see through the tint i d like to keep it i ll re read the vehicle code in the library i d also like to get some sort of paper from the police that says it s ok so i can get the inspection and so that i won t get in trouble for the tint later on i also wouldn t mind registering a complaint against that officer he really pissed me off so does anyone have any experience getting that sort of a paper from the police especially in pennsylvania does anyone have any experience registering a complaint against an officer i called the station later on today but they basically said there is no place where i could register a complaint against an officer and if i do decide to keep the tint and get a ticket anyway how much of a chance do i stand to succesfully appeal the ticket in court any comments about it will be welcome michal
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re top reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes blah blah blah ok if you are so right name a few good examples that were brought up let s create a new group rec autos cr is right no its not yes it is oh yeah my father can lick your father eliot
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re new saturn argument in article c p m o noose ecn purdue edu rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu robert j wade writes ok how about this to argue about why does the sl have a much lower base price than the sc it s over k cheaper i forget the exact amount doesn t it cost more to have the extra doors windows locks motors etc that are in the door perhaps it is just a marketing deal people want the door so they will pay the extra k the sc sc has a shorter wheel base than the sl sl sl sw sw just a thought ithink your right though james lee a t t bell labs murray hill n j room a att conceps jwl
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chevelle ss forsale i don t want to sell this car but i need money for college chevelle super sport rebuilt four speed bolt positrac numbers match original miles no rust looks and runs excellent or best offer call dennis at or email dennisk cs uoregon edu
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re top reasons why i love cr not for the humor impaired in article apr cs tulane edu finnegan navo navy mil writes in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes in article apr metrics com tomh metrics com tom haapanen writes chints iscs nus sg writes here are another ten reasons why we should all love cr car salesmen love their new car buying service and later on buying a cr idealized family sedan and my number the spectacle of the religious fervour of the cr true believers or the spectacle of macho real men who would never bother to read the magazine but are more than apt to criticize it hey i m a macho real man and i do read it so i can criticize it all i want especially since i pay for the publication they accept no outside advertising don t you know john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasn t it the black adder relying on consumer reports to pick your automobiles is like letting field stream select your living room furniture kenneth finnegan navo navy mil no one should ever rely on just a magazine to determine what car they buy i don t care what magazine btw i subscribe to three other auto rags i just think cu is getting a bum rap by these macho men from hell who think real men should read statements like what you said above have no meaning people keep on saying cu is only good for dishwashing detergent or as you said relying on consumer reports is like and that is all they say if there were as critical of themsevles as they are of cu maybe there would be some real content john john nielsen magnus consultant to you baldrick the renaissance was just something that happened to other people wasn t it the black adder
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impreza altima or what a friend of mine is cnsidering buying a new car and is considering the subaru impreza or the nissan altima right now which of these two cars would you recommend we definately want an airbag and abs and room for tall people and long legs if you have other suggestions for cars under k after dealing i d be interested in you opinions as well please send replies to sem postoffice mail cornell edu no tthis address thanks scott
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re advise needed in buying automobile from thwang mentor cc purdue edu tommy hwang subject advise needed in buying automobile i am in search of a dependable automobile to purchase below are its requirements v or above most of the cars you mentioned are below smaller than v engine tony name antonio l balsamo company digital equipment corp shrewsbury mass work e mail balsamo stargl enet dec com
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re integra gsr quad reliable yeah what s your definition of reliable if that s reliable then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect not to mention a hell of alot smoother and quieter balance shafts the acura has the engine wins the reliablity contest hands down you can rev that car all day everyday and you ll never blow a hose or crack the block or anything else i speak from expierence i m not saying the quad is a bad engine but don t highlight reliability when you comparing it to a acura engine and while the integra costs alot more it is a a couple of things blowing a hose doesn t speak of engine reliability and while it is true that quad s have a problem with head gasket leaks that was a design flaw in the gasket and has been corrected also i know pontiac is replacing head gaskets that leak for free for year k miles other than that i have found my quad to be completely solid and the direct ignition system means no wires rotor rotor cap to ever deal with also hydrolic lifters mean no valve adjustments ever i m not badmouthing the integra engine i just think you are going overboard on slamming the quad you are quite correct that the integra engine is quieter although i would not say smoother my quad loves to rev especially at the high end do you have any evidence of blocks cracking on quad s i have not heard of this
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re most bang for between and in article oasys dt navy mil tobias oasys dt navy mil steve tobias writes in rec autos cpkjp vm cc latech edu kevin parker writes i d like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the to price range i m looking for a car with enough civility to be driven every day or even on long trips but when i hit the gas i want to feel some acceleration handling is important also as are reliability and pretty low maintenance costs a stylish appearance is nice but i don t want a car that is all show and not much go even though many of the imports are fast i don t really want a turbo and i never have cared for the song sung by a four clyinder i d prefer a v or v for the engine if you have any suggestions kevin parker there s only one car that really fits your needs it s spelled liter mustang not sorry he said cvility long trips reliability and low maintenance cost
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re necessity of fuel injector cleaning by dealership in article apr acd acd com jwg sedv acd com jim grey writes in article apr cbnewsl cb att com prm cbnewsl cb att com paul r mount writes in your experience how true is it that a fuel injector cleaning will do much more good than just using detergent gas while i agree that a clogged fuel injector would darken my day how clogged do they get and is a good price or can i do it myself by buying a can of what and doing what a fuel injector cleaning at the dealer is probably little more than them opening your gas tank dumping in a bottle of fuel injector cleaner and sending you on your merry way poorer go to kmart and buy the cleaner yourself for personally i wouldn t use the product from kmart i knew about this previously but this past weekend on pbs s motorweek pat goss their resident tech type discussed these products and recommends not using them i e the non isopropyl alcohlo based injector cleaners supposedly only the isopropyl based cleaners actually remove moisture from your fuel tank as they clean your injectors and although the others ethyl based do clean injectors they also cause rubber components in the fuel system to deteriorate and they don t mix well with water to help remove it from the fuel system i use a product recommended by vw called k by bg products inc it cost more about but it is supposed to do the job without the potential harmful side effects and its results are supposed to last from k to k miles i have also used chevron s techtrolene sp i can t say that i have noticed any difference using either since i only use these product as a preventative maintenance item just because you dealer sez you need it don t mean it s necessarily so be suspicious jim grey jwg acd acd com larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo v fahrvergnugen forever the fact that i need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn t understand anyway
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