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re svx oil change in article c f i undergrad math uwaterloo ca swdwan napier uwaterloo ca donald wan writes my friend brought a subaru svx recently i had drove it for couples times and i think its a great car esp on snow however when she took it to a local subaru dealer for a oil change the bill came out to be about dollars the dealer told us it is because to change the oil filter on a svx it is necessary to disassemble a metal cover under the engine and that took an hour of labour at first we think we are being ripped off so she phone to a dealer in toronto but found out the they are charging roughly the same price so is there any svx owner out there that has the same problem and if the oil change story is true then the engineer of subaru looks pretty stubid to me by the way the car looks great labour prices for car service are very expensive in toronto compared to other parts of ontario for example there are places in ottawa that still charge only hour i ve seen a couple of places charging hour the cheapest i ve heard in toronto is hour swd wan doug zolmer internet dwjz bnr ca disclaimer my opinions only bell northern research ltd ottawa ontario canada conform moooo
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re w w or w zowie daedalus stanford edu craig powderkeg deforest writes if you re planning on making long drives the w is probably fine esp in the summer in your w car but if you re making short drives stick to the w several years ago gm was having trouble with the rings sticking on the diesel they traced a cause to the use of w oil they would not honor warranty work if w was used if my memory serves me or was ok d though mark b
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re male female mystery re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article pima inn gap caltech edu wen king cs caltech edu wen king su wrote in article apr iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen iscnvx lmsc lockheed com sharen a rund writes apparently you re not a woman my husband hates the auto door locks features but forgets that besides families with children a woman feels safer in a car that locks easily in addition to watching around checking out if anyone s near me when i get to my car never park in a secluded spot etc have my keys ready to open the door so i m not fumbling in my purse looking for them this has me thinking is there a biological reason why women can t put their keys in their pants pockets like men do i have two pockets on the back of each of my pants i put my keys in one and wallent in another many of the pockets even have a botton on them so i can close them securely everything is that much simpler for me why can t women do the same is is biological ie not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and a wallet or is it the way they are raised by the parents women s pants rarely have pockets and most when they do are too shallow to use i is very important for a woman to have her keys in her hand when she goes from building to a car it is protect herself from would be assilants by broadcasting that this is someone who as a definite place of safty ie a locked car puting keys and walet looks ugly it breaks the lines and makes you rear look wide as a cows also to have the habits that work for any clothing situation the pruse functions no mater what you are wearing even nude or a bikni a women s suit coat is lucky to have pockets on the outside none on the inside i have men s coats that have as much as pockets this is definitally not fair as one that wears both men s and women s clothes i can tell you women s clothes have few if any funtional pockets when dressed as a man i put my wallet on my inside coat pocket and my keys in a coat outside pocket it is much more covenent than the pants pockets and looks better having a car that unlocks quickly and locks back fast is paramout to a woman s safty men don t see this as a problem a woman is aware of this every time she goes out i e image some red necks yelling at you we are going to fuck you and the out weight you by lbs and have inches in hight on you if you want to find out why a women does something live as one celeste
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re saturn s pricing policy in article apr cs brown edu cs cs brown edu hok chung tsang writes moreover if saturn really does reduce the dealer profit margin by then their cars will be even better deals say if the price of a saturn was already below market average for the class of cars then after they reduce the dealer profit it would be below market average it will attract even more people to buy saturns because it would save them money force the competitors to lower their prices to survive but what is saturn s motivation here they re already selling every car they make with multiple shifts in the plant given this what possible motivation could they have to lower prices cheers richard richard welty welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith
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re new saturn argument in article c p m o noose ecn purdue edu rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu robert j wade writes ok how about this to argue about why does the sl have a much lower base price than the sc it s over k cheaper i forget the exact amount doesn t it cost more to have the extra doors windows locks motors etc that are in the door perhaps it is just a marketing deal people want the door so they will pay the extra k ok here s what i understand the sl sl sl sw sw was meant to compete with the following cars honda civic toyota tercel sl sl toyota corolla sl sl nissan sentra mazda protoge subaru loyale impreza isuzu stylus geo prizm ford escort mercury tracer mistubishi mirage plymouth dodge colt their core competition is the civic corolla and sentra most of the other models are in the same class but aren t the first cars you would think of i threw in the escort tracer because it has a good amount of japanese technology and has similar reliability stats i didn t include domestic small cars such as the cavalier sunbird shadow sundance tempo and topaz since i think saturn is going after cars that have at least some degree of japanese roots the sc sc was meant to compete against the following cars toyota paseo honda civic si civic coupes del sol si nissan nx nx mazda mx isuzu impulse geo storm ford escort gt if you look at the prices of these cars they re more expensive than they re door counterparts the is good reason for this it is a more upscale and trend driven market even though many of these models are based on sedan platforms their interior etc is good enough to warrant slightly higher prices here are some of the platform derivations i can think of tercel paseo sentra nx nx civic del sol mx not sure on this one stylus impulse storm to illustrate a tercel starts at around while the paseo starts at around even a door tercel will cost less than a door paseo now you might be saying that the tercel doesn t offer the power that some doors offer what i mean is that there is no dr tercel with a comparable powerplant as its sport coupe derivative let s take another example the isuzu stylus xs and impulse xs storm gsi both have the same powerplants a l hp engine but the smaller dr coupes are generally more expensive again this is because the two door sport coupe market is a more fashion oriented and trend setting segment people are willing to pay more money for this type of car in short even though the sc sc may be smaller hence less car it s market orientation dictates a slightly higher price than its mechanically equivalent sedan sl sl version i hope this clears things up a bit mihir shah
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apology was re did us drive on the left in a previous article dh q andrew cmu edu daniel u holbrook says i m guessing but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down cattle trails and in wagon ruts i am fairly sure that placement of the steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time by the s there was a very active good roads movement which had its origins actually in the s during the bicycle craze picked up steam in the teens witness the linclon highway association or so and the us highway support act real name something different in that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent roads also the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic transport during ww convinced the government that good raods were crucial to our national defense anyway by the s there were plenty of good roads at least around urban areas and they were rapidly expanding into the countryside this was the era after all of the first auto touring fad the motel the auto camp ground etc two good books on the subject spring to mind warren belasco america on the road title may not be exact author is and another called the devil wagon in god s country author i forget also any of john flink s or john bell rae s auto histories i m sorry as i have never heard of any of this guess they don t think it s important enough for a classroom and i was going on what i ve seen in pics some movies real nice scource there huh i just always recall thinking that good roads of asphalt didn t come around til the interstate hiway act or whatever they called it s and that wood and cobblestone roads were fairly rare up through the depression except in overpopulated places like england and us cities obviously netwisdom says i am wrong as to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary by the early teens there were virtually no american cars that did not have the wheel on the left in the early days cars had the wheel on the left on the right and even in the middle as well as sometimes having a tiller instead of a wheel this was standardized fairly early on though i don t know why i knew it was almost always done but i knew of no reason that it might not be done the other way by desoto for their car seems like they had some other deviations from the norm too at times dan dh q andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university applied history world history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe whether we can comprehend and prove it or not oswald spengler thanx for corrrecting me and again i aplogize for harebraned post drew
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re most bang for between and jmh hopper virginia edu jeffrey hoffmeister writes in article apr progress com damelio progress com stephen d amelio writes rjwade rainbow ecn purdue edu robert j wade writes there s only one car that really fits your needs it s spelled liter mustang sports car butm my mothers gt was considered a sports car i still can t quite figure that out since when do plastic add ons make a car a sports car jeff we re talking about insurance agents from bumf k illinois st farm is hq ed in bloomington what the hell do they know about cars both are sports cars chintan amin the university of illinois urbana champaign mail llama uiuc edu because he was human because he had goodness because he was moral they called him insane peart cinderella man
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re do it yourself front end alignment possible davidd lonestar utsa edu david de leon writes in article bu edu selick csa bu edu steven selick writes i ve got an plymouth colt that i d like to do a front end alignment on is it possible to do without all of the fancy schmancy gadgets the pros have how steve no no no no if you do so you are putting the lives of others on the road at consider able risk why do you think mechanics are ase certified anyway you put it you need those fancy scmancy gadgets awww right you want all the home mechanics lined up against a wall and shot eh bull pucky you chicken read the service manual and get your head out of the sand certainly there are tools for the job that are cheaper than an alignment rack that do the job as competently albeit not as swiftly if not more accurate due to the natural pride an owner mechanic places on his work you can do an acceptable job of aligning a car using simple tools and some imaginative work that would never have the effect of endangering anyones life the worst that happens is that your tires wear oddly well you could have the wheels aiming totally pigeon toed and not be able to steer the car raise your hands those that think their vision is so poor that they would screw up this badly i bet you are one of those people that feels that honing a cylinder wall with sand paper will kill millions of people it aint magic go take the certification course and look at the people that have never learned to add in their whole life that are taking the certification btw i am disgusted at the colt and some of the other chrysler offerings because they go out of alignment if you sneaze at them my chrysler laser similar to the daytona a reskinned colt needed a realignment every months bolt a good grade x to each wheel using a carefully welded spacer jig measure toe in adjust to manufacturer specs camber a bit more difficult to adjust and measure i used a micrometer to measure the space between the rim and a funky bent up pipe that could be placed on upper and lower portions of the rim on the inside of wheel hard to explain this same tool could be used instead of the x s i had made these tools up right after the last alignment done professionally so i had a reference that the original poster might not ciao mark
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time seningen maserati ross com mike seningen mph speedos esp the electronic ones the digital dash of the cougars with the large analog clock in the middle of the dash everything was digital except the stinking clock the funny thing about the digital dash t bird with the mph speedo limit was that if you pressed the button to convert to kilometers it would read all the way up to kph at this point the stock anemic would get short of breath this of course was equivalent to about mph hehe i bet i really coulda confused this thing if i d toyed with the engine and rolled the stupid thing the digits were limited to i ve gotta agree with ya on the analog clock w digital dash though my girlfriend had a turbocoupe with a digital clock and analog gauges radio go figure usenet constellation ecn uoknor edu usenet administrator i love the keyless entry on my t bird it s great for those times that i had to stop to put air in my tires i could get out and lock the door with the engine running while i ran around to air up the tire it also i had a great feature on my t bird i could pull the key out and leave the ignition on this scared the hell out of me the first time it happened but i kinda grew to like it musta been a bad key copy or something mark novakovic there is no god up in the sky tonight no sign of heaven anywhere in sight nin jesus loves ya blow me in tribute to my former area supervisor jim bonneau and the infamous bonneau math demoted not departed ministry
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re do trains have radar hhtra usho hou chevron com t m haddock writes i came upon a train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over the northbound lanes just as i passed from underneath the trestle my radar detector went into full alert all lights lit and all chirps beeps and buzzes going strong could this have been caused by the train s radio or what recently manufactured locomotives have wheel slip detection systems that use frequencies shared with police radar i forget which band these will set off your radar detector if you get close enough though i believe the range is pretty short btw railroad police sometimes use radar to check for speeding trains just like regular police check for speeding cars although the intent here is for safety not revenue collection unlike with cars
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re braindead drivers who don t look ahead in article zdem a hgo zdem a hgo hou amoco com donna martz writes so i block the would be passers not only for my own good but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it as a rule of philosophy i don t feel particularly sorry when somebody gets offed by his own stupidity but it does worry me when some idiot is in a position to cash in my chips too h h mayo well aren t we just mr altruism himself just what the world needs another frustrated self appointed traffic cop well if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a foot semi i suppose it s your neck however i m not going to let you kill me in the bargain if you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death due to less that wise driving practices then tough thank god for the fourth of july for it yearly rids the earth of a considerable load of fools mark twain
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re changing oil by self in article apr lmpsbbs comm mot com sheinfel ssd comm mot com aviad sheinfeld writes do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too tight is it safe without oil leak tighten the bolt to the specified torque in your service manual that way it won t leak strip break etc hopefully thank you very much in advance winson aviad you can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt i have one on both of my cars there have been no leaks in miles combined miles on both cars ron deblock rdb homxb att com that s a number in rdb not letter l at t bell labs somerset nj usa
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re aftermarket air conditioners in article qcaueinnmt axon cs unc edu andrew brandt writes i looked into getting a c installed on my honda crx si the unit is plus shipping installation is like hours on top of that this is a hunk of change does anyone know any place that does aftermarket a c installation not with a honda a c unit but some third party unit i cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a c unit in a honda i am in no carolina so i would prefer some place nearby but any references would be handy thx andy brandt cs unc edu sorry i can t help you with your question but i do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket a c units i have a frost king or frost temp forget which aftermarket unit on my cavalier and am quite unhappy with it the fan is noisy and doesn t put out much air i will never have an aftermarket a c installed in any of my vehicles again i just can t trust the quality and performance after this experience les les bartel i m going to live forever intergraph corporation or die trying electronics division ljbartel ingr com or ljbartel naomi b b ingr com
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re braindead drivers who don t look ahead i agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass you might not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you don t want to give them that one car length when they should just wait like you are but if you re one of those people that just sit s behind the person and doesn t flash them with the high beams or pull left and flash them or ride their bumper or otherwise tell them that you do in fact want to go by and you re not just drafting them then get the hell out of the way of someone who will i especially hate it when you flash someone at the back of a line and they don t pass it on and there s also the issue of some cars being more intimidating to get people out of the way than others for instance gts look pretty mean in a rearview mirror at night with the foglights on there have been plenty of times when i ve broken up a pack that a second in line hyundai has been behind for miles you just need to know how to get their attention i d like to see you use this method on a couple of semi drivers if they see you they usually acknowledge by sticking their hand out the window with their middle finger extended because it is also obvious to them that there is no clear lane ahead h h m
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my day in court results a while back i asked for help in defending a traffic ticket i received in short the ticket was for not stopping at a stop sign given the conditions i could not stop in time and decided instead of sliding right through the intersection i would complete my right turn and avoid a possible accident a police cruiser happened to be approaching the intersection from my left and gave me the ticket the officer said the only reason that you even slowed down in the first place was that you saw me approaching otherwise you would have bombed right through i would like to thank all those who responded favorably to my request for help to all of those who told me to bite the bullet and pay the fine phghghghgh the judge sided with me and decided that in this case not stopping was the safest thing to do and found me not guilty the officer s statement and my account of the conditions at the time very slippery backed by newpaper weather conditions were the factors what made the judge decide on his verdict moral if you have never been to court before and you think you have a case go for it it is a very interesting process and it is there for your benefit exercise your rights trev name trevor paquette landmark ita fahrvergnuegen email tpaquette ita lgc com calgary alberta canada visitor from cyberspace g renegade of virtual reality include disclaimer h o o
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re saturn manual transmission problem i had exactly the same problem with a horizon third gear would just disengage engine would rev up kind of disconcerting i sold that car quite a few years back but the memory of that tranny sticks with me it also had a clutch chatter in first that the dealer could not fix if the lemon law had been in place then that car would have been covered i have had several jap cars since then figuring the horizon was my contribution to the american auto companies and have never seen any bad behavior with the exception of a toyota tercel with a bit of clutch chatter that they did fix on the first try anyway from that day forward i have sworn that i would never purchase another american car with a standard american manufacturers don t have a clue on how to manufacture five speed transmissions and have been doing the automatics much longer and on many more cars however i hate automatics so i am still buying jap cars not sure this is any help but other cars do this too cheers larry larry rogers larry rogers dg com big brother larry boris webo dg com is watching data general the opinions contained herein are my own and do not reflect the opinions of data general or anyone else but they should sometimes we are the windshield sometimes we are the bug dire straits
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regal fiberglass parts i have a regal and i am interested in buying a fiberglass hood trunk and bumpers for it does anybody know of a company who makes fiberglass parts for regals thanks in advance mike
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re do trains have radar in article x fvt b dixie com jgd dixie com john de armond writes hhtra usho hou chevron com t m haddock writes while taking an extended easter vacation i was going north on i somewhere between centerville tx and dallas tx and i came upon a train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over the northbound lanes there appeared to be movement within the cab and out of curiosity i slowed to to get a better look just as i passed from underneath the trestle my radar detector went into full alert all lights lit and all chirps beeps and buzzes going strong i thought i had been nailed good but no police materialized some but not all locomotives have doppler speedometers the radar head is mounted looking down at the ground to minimize intereference sent and received but looking tangentally at a wheel these are low power units and typically won t trigger radar detectors unless an unusual situation such as yours arises john john de armond wd oqc interested in high performance mobility performance engineering magazine tm interested in high tech and computers marietta ga send ur snail mail address to jgd dixie com perform dixie com for a free sample mag need usenet public access in atlanta write me for info on dixie com this makes sense radar pointed down because almost every train i pass head on that triggers my radar detector does so more just after i have passed the front of the engine i get a little of the reflections as i am approaching and the instant i get to the side of the first engine the detector receives a fairly strong signal for a short time it happens with just about every train i see
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re electronic odometers was used bmw question i consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer the design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat ofuscated pattern into an eeprom the idea was to make the circuit difficult to program arbitrary values into the eeprom the secondary purpose acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint of practicality was to distributed the writes so as to avoid exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the eeprom being used the microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the hall effect at a rate any higher than mph so as to make spoofing the reading by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable this was for an automobile that was not expected to ever exceed mph in operation the case of course might not be the same for your rx the ecm modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions under which cars have been operated since steering angle and velocity data etc is available it would not be difficult to collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the drivers use of the car i am not aware of any manufacturer currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading out use data from the ecm while it could be a potential invasion of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your driving style it could also provide valuable information from actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars i personally wouldn t mind the dealer collecting my driving demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion bill mayhew neoucom computer services department rootstown oh usa phone wtm uhura neoucom edu n wed
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re open letter to nissan in a previous article smorris sumax seattleu edu steven a morris says or here s an even better suggestion why don t you guys go ahead and buy the rest of fuji heavy industries subaru and put either an in line or v into the legacy wd wagon i d buy the legacy in a minute if it had a nissan engine instead of the horizontal that they seem sentimentally attached to what do you find so wrong with the flat in the subaru s or the flat for that matter dod darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion
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after market cruise controls specific questions howdy i m a little new to this newsgroup but i would like to tap some of the knowledge and expertise available here the subject after market cruise controls the background i recently broke my ankle in a road bicycling accident places five screws yuk in two weeks i will be returning to texas my home from my school byu in provo utah as you can imagine trying to drive nearly miles with a broken right ankle isn t just the epitome of a good time my car does not have a cruise control so i would have to do all the pedalling ha ha with my messed up ankle my question what is the general opinion of after market cruise control units i realize that a cheap cc cruise control from say pep boys isn t going to be as good as a factory or professionally installed unit if there is such a thing and i uderstand that i probably can t expect much in the way of accuracy looks and that sort of thing but anything s gotta be better than trying to drive with a hosed ankle i have a jeep cherokee speed standard l engine with kettering sp ignition y know distributor cap rotor that set up not electronic maybe you could ve guessed it being an but i m just trying to give information as completly as i can i found a cc unit for bucks it seems to use the vehicles vacuum system instead of an electric servor motor is this good or bad if i did buy this cc which vacuum hose should i tap it has two speed sensors one magnetic and one that gets a signal from the negative side of the distributor kinda like a tach pick up or so i understand i can use either one which is best the manual says i read it in the store today that the magnetic axle set up is more accurate but harder to install is there really a big difference it has a sensor for the brake pedal just like other ccs but does not have a sensor for the clutch pedal so if i wasn t paying real close attention i might push the clutch in while the cruise is trying to get the speed up which would wind the engine up kinda high until i got my wits about me and turned the thing off i m pretty coordinated so this doesn t bother me if it were for my girlfriends car then it would bother me but i m ok with it the installation also calls for an attachment to a steady on brake signal and a switched on brake signal i think i can get a switched brake signal from the correct side of the brake light blade fuse am i right but i m not sure where to get the steady on brake signal or for that matter what exactly it is any ideas as to what the manufaturer wants and where to get it i think i can figure the other things out like how to hook up the negative side tach type sensing gizmo and the cabin control unit and the ground and all that miscellaneous business but i need a little help with is it worth the money and safety risk if any for such a device is there any particularly good after market cc are professionally installed ccs signifacantly better and worth the cabbage if the unit i saw sorry no manufacturer or model number just that it is at pep boy and its is sufficient for my simple needs how do i get the thing installed properly specifically the questions above my father and i built a veep volkswagen powered jeep cj a when i was in high school so i consider myself fairly good with tools electronics and cars so the installation doesn t scare me i just want to be certain that i get the thing installed correctly as my cherokee is just a wee bit more complicated than my veep i appreciate your time in reading my post and i would appreciate any expertise or opinion anybody has on the subject if you would like to share some of your wisdom please email as i don t get over this group very often but i check my mail all the time again thanks for any help anyone may have mike wieda mikew canc byu edu
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re did us drive on the left rob reilly whips and their tempers initially all cars were built with the driver s controls on the right because that s the way people drove buggies so the this is just not so many of the earliest cars had their steering controls in the center of the vehicle and there is no discernible pattern of left or right hand steering controls until a few years into the th century when in america at least left hand wheels became the pattern the mule team or horses i imagine explanation however seems to have some merit dan dh q andrew cmu edu carnegie mellon university applied history this coffee plunges into the stomach the mind is aroused and ideas pour forth like the battalions of the grand army on the field of battle memories charge at full gallop the light cavalry of comparisons deploys itself magnificently the artillery of logic hurry in with their train of ammunition flashes of wit pop up like sharp shooters honore de balzac cups day
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re license plates nissan in a previous article edf marshall wvnet edu says hi i m interested in getting the list for license plate numbers if anyone has a listing i d appreciate getting a copy of it thanks you must be incredibly bored have you considered reading the phone book dod darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion
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re isuzu amigo opinions sought in a previous article sdexter shl com scott dexter says i like the amigo i would like some feedback any and all feedback appreciated yet another jeep wannabe designed for yuppies who will never take it off road but want to look outdoorsey dod darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion
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re license plates in a previous article edf marshall wvnet edu says hi i m interested in getting the list for license plate numbers if anyone has a listing i d appreciate getting a copy of it thanks you must be incredibly bored have you considered reading the phone book dod darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion
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re truck tailgates mileage in article mar ns cc lehigh edu jh ns cc lehigh edu jun he writes in article mar nosc mil koziarz halibut nosc mil walter a koziarz writes in article hpscit sc hp com chrisw hpscit sc hp com chris wiles wr ites consumers report did a study i think and found that most trucks got worse mileage with the tailgate off the tailgates on the newer trucks actually help oh sure they do and replacing the front bumper and grille with a closet door helps mileage and cooling if cr actually said that then they have bigger fools working for them than the fools that believe their drivel but who am i to argue this just someone that s been a pickup driver for years that s all forget the net just take off the tailgate on hiway trips since the nets aren t designed to nor capable of restraining a load in the bed anyway around town the tailgate will have a negligable effect on mileage anyway walt k they may help to improve mileage in some cases i believe with the tailgate on the flow structure behind the cab may differ and the vortex drag may be reduced during high speed driving how about those toneau covers i ve been thinking of building one from chipboard for roadtrips any comment on how they affect mileage in highway travel charles within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person
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chevy sprint i have a chevy sprint with a c and doors it s odometer turned k and the sensor light started blinking i went to the dealer and he said it was a maintenance light saying i need to change the oxygen sensor he said it is to be changed every k but since i bought the car when it had k i don t know if the same thing happened at k and k he quoted for the part and to install it the part cost outside but the mechanic i went to could not fix it saying the sensor is placed too deep in the engine parts he suggested i wait till it malfunctions before i do anything if anyone out there owns a chevy sprint i want to know how they got their oxygen sensors changed also did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer s help also what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction any help would be greatly apprecisted thanks nagesh
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re old corvettes low insurance in article apr ns cc lehigh edu swr ns cc lehigh edu scott warren rosander writes in article c csux fn news cso uiuc edu gdhg uxa cso uiuc edu george hei nz writes after too many years of school i m finally graduating and getting a real job of course i am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra money right now i have an accord a good car but not real sporty i was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around k on a sports car of some kind after thinking about it i may have a better idea i ll keep the accord until it drops and buy the car i ve always wanted a corvette stingray my reasoning is that accord corvette is less than what i would spend anyway basically i m thinking of a late s early s for around k my question is what are good years to consider for reliability looks horsepower in that order believe it or not horsepower is not a main concern if i want to go fast i get on my motorcycle and what are good prices also what would insurance look like i m male single i might wait until i m to get the car lower insurance would the fact that i mainly drive the other car lower it is there some type of classic car or rarely driven insurance class for driving it under k miles per year my dad has a vette and its on what you say classic insurance basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving time which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would probably suit your needs for limited mileage in addition to restricted mileage many classic insurance carriers also require that the vehicle be garaged when not in use ericy eric youngblood bell northern research richardson texas peon w o email privs
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re changing oil by self in article apr cbnewsj cb att com rdb cbnewsj cb att com ronald j deblock jr writes you can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt i have one on both of my cars there have been no leaks in miles combined miles on both cars yes but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot all they have to do is reach underneath turn a valve and forget the trip home but there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them i personally recommend installing a special locking drain plug to keep vandals away steve
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article c hqj unix amherst edu bhtulin unix amherst edu barak h tulin writes i just started reading this thread today so forgive me if it has already been mentioned but what was the deal with renault s putting the horn on the left hand turn signal stalk it was a button on the end where the washer button would be on the wiper washer stalk could the frenchies not figure out the wiring through the steering wheel or what well before we start calling the engineering folks in france a bunch of braindeads for this my mercury capri had this lovely feature this was not the earlier german variant but the newer one that was identical to the mustang of current fame i can t tell you how many times this feature pissed me off come to think of it my brothers zepher had this as well robert dilmore dilmore cray com going back to an earlier thread imagine having to turn left shift gears flash a stray driver in the intersection with your left hand high beam on the headlight stalk and after the driver wouldn t move having to honk the horn on the left hand stalk gives me the heebie jeebies barak
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re do trains busses have radar in article c fqfy fpq usenet ucs indiana edu mliggett silver ucs indiana edu matthew liggett writes in apr usho hou chevron com hhtra usho hou chevron com t m haddock writes while taking an extended easter vacation i was going north on i somewhere between centerville tx and dallas tx and i came upon a train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over the northbound lanes there appeared to be movement within the cab and out of curiosity i slowed to to get a better look just as i passed from underneath the trestle my radar detector went into full alert all lights lit and all chirps beeps and buzzes going strong i thought i had been nailed good but no police materialized could this have been caused by the train s radio or what i don t know about trains but i ve saw a sign on the back of a greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off it doesn t explain why but it does set off my radar detector from the e net desk of rick colombo cd dcd dsg fermi nat l acc l lab fermilab p o box ms feynman computer center batavia ill usa colombo fnal fnal gov of course i speak for fermilab congress and the president not
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re sprayed on bedliner info wanted in rec autos dennis hpcvra cv hp com dennis schloeman writes xsorry to repost this again so soon but xthe information from my earlier post was xdeleted from our system xi am looking for information concerning x sprayed on bedliners for pickup trucks xa company here does it using polyurethene xbut they ve only been around for months xso there s not much of a track record here xis the sprayed on bedliner any good how xwell do they hold up over the years any xinfo would be appreciated x xthanks x xdennis do you have a ziebart dealer in your area they ve offered spray on bed liners around here for several years if you do see what kind of a warranty they have unfortunately i don t know anyone who has gotten one so i can t help you there also ask if they can give you a list of references mack costello mcostell oasys dt navy mil code formerly david taylor model basin carderock division hq nswc bethesda md phone
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car buying story was christ another dealer service scam in article qhs dinnj b hp col col hp com tvervaek col hp com tom vervaeke writes experience with jeep service dept while not exactly a service incident i had a similar experience recently when i bought a new truck i had picked out the vehicle i wanted and after a little haggling we agreed on a price i wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax and license and told them i d be back that evening to pick up the truck when i returned i had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could get to me when i finally got in there everything went smoothly until he started adding up the numbers he then discovered that they had miscalculated the tax license by about he then said he needed another from me i said we had already agreed on a price and it was their problem i wasn t giving them any more money the finance guy then brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time i reminded him that i was the customer and i didn t think i should be treated like that and that if he didn t back off he could forget the whole deal he made some smart remark so i told him where he could stick it snatched back my check and left needless to say they were not pleased by the turn of events early the next morning i got a call from the general sales manager wanting to know what happened i related the story and he apologised profusely and asked if there was anything they could do to change my mind i told him that if they gave me the truck for free i probably still wouldn t take it that there were other dealers in town i was a repeat customer of theirs and that they should learn how to treat customers etc etc i was still pretty steamed about the whole affair he gave me the line about hating to lose a customer and they would try to find a solution etc etc i told him not to bother thanks i d go somewhere else a couple hours later the owner of the dealership called me all apologetic etc etc etc and said that they would cover the plus knock another off the price of the truck i told him i d think about it and he gave me his private direct phone number his secretary s name and assured me that they valued me as a customer etc etc etc i thought about it for a few hours and discussed it with my wife and we decided what the hell that was a pretty decent deal so i called him back and accepted his offer when i went back the next day to pick up the truck i received the royal treatment everyone seemed to know about the incident even the lot boy everything went smoothly and i was out of there in my new truck in about mins so i guess i m a reasonably satisfied customer however it should not have happened in the first place i was a bit shocked to have a sales person talk to me like that i don t expect them to bow and grovel but i sure don t expect to be given a hard time either esp when it s their mistake anyway i m happy with the truck and it turned out to be a couple hundred dollars under invoice and they paid most of the first year s license fee i m not sure whether i ll go back to that dealer tho mark
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re changing oil by self in rec autos boyle cactus org craig boyle writes xin article qgi einnhs skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca yik chong lam x writes x hello x x does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine x compartment should i turn clockwise or counter i tried any kind x of lubricants wd etc but i still failed x do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable x bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too x tight is it safe without oil leak x xassuming you don t have a russian car with opposite threads then xyou turn counterclockwise i would get some professional xhelp here you may not have located the draing plug and xactually be trying to loosen something else x xcraig x x x thank you very much in advance winson x this reminds me of the first time my cousin did an oil change on his car he crawled under removed a bolt drained the fluid replaced the bolt then carefully poured in quarts of oil didn t bother to check the dip stick just drove off didn t get too far till me found out that he d drained the speed trans and dumped an extra quarts into the engine moral as craig said don t be ashamed to get some in person help the first time mack costello mcostell oasys dt navy mil code formerly david taylor model basin carderock division hq nswc bethesda md phone
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re changing oil by self in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu steven j orlin writes in article apr cbnewsj cb att com rdb cbnewsj cb att com ronald j deblock jr writes you can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt i have one on both of my cars there have been no leaks in miles combined miles on both cars yes but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot all they have to do is reach underneath turn a valve and forget the trip home but there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them i personally recommend installing a special locking drain plug to keep vandals away steve i was worried about someone stealing my oil once also i finally decided to just have my drain plug welded shut it works great i figure that when i add three or four quarts when the oil light comes on every month or so that it s just as good or better than the old wives tale of changing the oil and filter every miles works for me i must say
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re changing oil by self in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu steven j orlin writes in article apr cbnewsj cb att com rdb cbnewsj cb att com ronald j deblock jr writes you can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in place of the bolt i have one on both of my cars there have been no leaks in miles combined miles on both cars yes but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot all they have to do is reach underneath turn a valve and forget the trip home most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators and i ve never seen nor heard of a vandal opening one i imagine that there would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have to crawl furthur under the car to open it car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods and do things that don t get them dirty like keying your car dumping sand sugar or mothballs in the gas tank tping it etc boycott usl novell for their absurd anti bsdi lawsuit drew eckhardt condemn colorado for amendment two drew cs colorado edu use linux the fast flexible and free unix
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mazda forsale for sale mazda mazda white exterior grey interior miles interior in very good condition exterior in good condition pioneer dx car stereo cd player fm presets am removable faceplate seperate component speakers professionally mounted in the doors the car has been well maintained i wax it often and keep the interior clean its a good running car with a solid body no rust thru tiny spots of surface rust when i see a spot i touch it up the stereo makes the car i have had no mechanical problems with it i m looking for firm the car has an average wholesale value of about without the stereo the stereo cost me last july if you are interested call or email me at carl mercer cm cci com evening
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re license plates in article apr marshall wvnet edu edf marshall wvnet edu writes hi i m interested in getting the list for license plate numbers if anyone has a listing i d appreciate getting a copy of it thanks you can go to the dmv and ask for their listing although i don t know where you may actually buy a copy you can use theirs for your perusal in california the listing of personalized license plates run volumes each about thick i hope this is what you re asking for ken kenneth k f lui klui corp hp com hanover street ms bj corporate administrative information systems palo alto ca usa core application technologies fax
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re changing oil by self rist another dealer service scam in a previous article bmoss grinch sim es com brent woody moss says i was worried about someone stealing my oil once also i finally decided to just have my drain plug welded shut it works great i figure that when i add three or four quarts when the oil light comes on every month or so that it s just as good or better than the old wives tale of changing the oil and filter every miles works for me i must say i did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons i was wondering how you filled your crankcase though as i welded my hood shut also out of fear that somebody might steal my air filter dod darkman the significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them albert einstein the eternal champion
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rec autos welcome to to the new reader archive name rec autos part most recent changes march addition of alt autos karting rpw welcome to rec autos this article is sent out automatically each month and contains a general description of the purpose of each of the automotive newsgroups and some suggested guidelines for discussions the keywords monthly posting will always appear to make killing this article easy for users of newsreaders with kill facilities this article is posted to all autos groups but followups are directed only to rec autos if you don t understand what this means ask your system administrator for help or at least for copies of the newuser documentation failing that please subscribe to the newsgroup news announce newusers and read the documentation provided there introduction to the rec autos newsgroup hierarchy rec autos tech is intended for technical discussions of automobiles their design construction diagnosis and service other discussions are largely inappropriate 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rec autos frequently asked consumer automotive questions archive name rec autos part this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions the other article contains questions more geared to the automotive enthusiast and so is not crossposted to misc consumers rpw changes as of april revised brake fluid section as non silicone dot fluids are now apparently available rpw commonly asked automotive questions tire questions q what do the funny numbers on the sides of my tires mean a typically you will see something like hr the is the overall width of the tire in millimeters the tread is usually narrower the is the aspect ratio it indicates the height of the sidewall of the tire relative to the overall width our example tire has a sidewall height of mm the is the wheel diameter in inches there are also some special tires called trx tires which have three digit metric wheel diameter designations like which is in millimeters the r means radial and the h is a speed rating indicating the highest speed at which the tire when properly inflated and carrying an appropriate load may safely operate common speed ratings are s mph t mph h mph and v up to mph recent changes to the method for specifying tire sizes move the speed rating to a different part of the designation you may therefore find designations like r h the indicates the per tire load associated with the speed rating exceeding this load in continuous operation at the rated speed is dangerous practice what follows is a table showing a number of load indices and corresponding maximum per tire loads load index max load kg note that the usual mass vs weight confusion occurs in this table in some cases the letters p or lt may be found in front of a tire size the lt designation indicates light truck and the p designation indicates passenger car if no letter is given then the application of the tire is passenger car usage as far as i know these letters only appear in the us market the lt designation is prinicipally of interest to owners of light trucks and other utility vehicles for the owner of a passenger vehicle there is no meaningful difference between a tire with a p designation and one with no designation at all if the aspect ratio is omitted it is probably but may be tires with an ms mud snow designation may have their speed rating reduced by km h about mph there is an additional set of ratings on tires for temperature traction and treadwear temperature and traction are graded a b and c with a the best and c the worst treadwear is a numeric rating these values are of limited value as they are assigned somewhat arbitrarily by tire manufacturers and are thus not useful in comparing different brands of tires q my car has tires with a funny size designation hr can i put normal tires on the car a your tires are called trx tires they were devised by michelin because of a somewhat different bead design they are incompatible with normal tires michelin used a different diameter wheel for them so that they could not be mounted on the wrong type wheel and so that more conventional tires could not be mounted on trx type wheels you will need to aquire different wheels to put a normal tire on your car it is barely possible to fit normal tires on trx wheels and horribly dangerous to do so the tires may simply peel off the rims in a corner or possibly blow out at high speed trx type tires are becoming hard to find in addition to michelin avon makes suitable tires goodyear has apparently discontinued their line of trx tires q can i rotate radials from side to side or rotate them only on one side of my car a car and tire manufacturers have differing views on this subject many say that swapping radials between the left and right hand sides of a car is now ok this group includes michelin and goodyear others for example pirelli and nokia will void warranties if such swapping is done the best advice is to read your tire manual carefully before rotating your tires and stick to the manufacturer s recommendations q how many snow tires should i buy and if i buy which end of the car should i put them on a in short and both ends to explain many drivers in areas that don t get excessive snow or who don t drive agressively or at all in snow conditions get away with only two snows on the drive wheels but there are circumstances where this can be dangerous practice with a rear wheel drive car you can choose between being able to start the car going a function of the rear axle or stopping and turning the car a function of the front axle in a front wheel drive car you start stop and turn with the front end the primary risk of putting the snow tires on the front only is that if you have to put on the brakes while going downhill you run a serious risk of going downhill backwards radar detectors and speed limits q why aren t there any comments on radar detectors and speed limits in this q a posting a because questions about detectors and speed limits crossposted between misc consumers and rec autos always start long tedious and pointless flame wars if you want to talk about either of these topics please subscribe to rec autos or alt flame and keep it there safety equipment q do airbags really work a preliminary statistics suggest the following airbags work much better than no belts good point belts alone work much better than airbags alone and airbags point belts work slightly better than point belts alone the con to airbags is that some designs tend to burn the driver s hands when venting the byproducts of the explosion that occurs inside the bag and that some designs but not all may knock the driver s hands from the wheel making retention of control of the vehicle after the bag deflates more difficult brake questions q do i always need to get the rotors on my disk brakes turned midas always wants to do this a no there are specific conditions that mandate turning or replacing rotors some shops try and make a little extra money by replacing rotors more often than is strictly necessary if the rotors are not warped warped and only lightly grooved then there is no need to replace or to turn them note also that some rotors the rotors on many hondas are a good example are so narrow to begin with that it is not practical to turn them they must be replaced when they become too thin warped or badly grooved q they tell me i should downshift when braking to slow my car down is this really a good idea a it used to be a very good idea back in the days of mediocre fade prone drum brakes in modern disc brake equipped cars use of downshifting to slow the car is not really necessary except in cases of long steep downhill runs otherwise modern disc brakes are more than adequate to stop a passenger car in all circumstances and they are much cheaper to repair than clutch linings on the other hand many standard driver s license tests in the usa still specify that the driver being tested downshift under braking i suggest that before taking a us driver s test you either learn to do this smoothly which takes some time and practice or borrow a car with an automatic to take the test q how often should i replace my brake fluid a probably more often than you do traditional brake fluids tend to absorb water this water can corrode internal parts of the brake system and also lower the boiling point of the fluid dot type are older fluids dot and dot are newer specifications the principal differences are in wet and dry boiling points the dry boiling point is important in fresh brake fluid but the wet boiling point is important in older brake fluid dot fluids have the lowest wet and dry boiling point requirements dot fluids have better boiling point requirements and dot fluids have the best boiling point requirements but dot fluids are not clearly superior see the next q a for more details while the requirements imply that dot fluids are better than dot fluids there may be specific cases where a dot fluid is preferable but these are mostly competition applications otherwise dot type fluids offer much improved brake pedal feel replacement once a year is recommended for dot fluids although agressive drivers may profit by changing out fluid more frequently or at least bleeding a modest amount of fluid out of the brake calipers fairly regularly q what about dot brake fluids a this breaks down in to two parts the dot specification looks excellent for performance but the first dot fluids were silicone based silicone fluids are a tricky proposition unlike dot and dot fluids they do not absorb water at all while this may sound like a feature the problem is that any water present pools up in such systems interfering with braking performance and corroding any metals at the spot where the pooling is occuring the water will tend to migrate downwards in the braking system to the brake calipers where most of the corrosion occurs because of this phenomenon it is essential when converting to silicone to empty the entire brake system and flush it throughly beforehand some even recommend replacing all rubber parts in the brake system when converting to silicone fluids two other issues that come up with silicone fluids they are difficult to pour cleanly that is without air bubbles which interferes with getting a good brake pedal feel and while they generally have much higher boiling points than dot fluids they do have high temperature failure modes which are indistinguishable in effect from boiling dot fluids silicone fluids may make sense in some street car applications but they are certainly not recommended for high performance driving applications and the economics are questionable for street use i have recently become aware of new fluids that meet the dot standard that do not contain silicones these fluids appear to be reasonably compatible with the older dot and dot fluids but i have little information at this time q abs is available on some of the cars i m looking at but it costs more is it worth it a this does not have a cut and dried answer therefore this answer will be quite long in order to cover the pros and cons the short answer is that abs costs more both initially and to maintain will generally work better for the average driver that is to say a driver who does not have extensive experience in high performance driving techniques and may require the unlearning of some obsolete braking techniques like pump braking which should be unlearned in any case now for the long answer abs works by monitering the wheels of the car looking for signs of locked brakes it may or may not be able be able to distinguish between the different wheels there are several systems on the market it cannot detect impending lockup which is what you would really want in an ideal world but only the existence of lockup the sensors used vary some of the less well designed sensors are sensitive to tire size and to brake pad material and may cease to function properly if the owner deviates from original equipment or oe equivalent components when the sensors detect lockup the abs system responds by unlocking the brakes either individually or all at once depending on the system if the driver keeps their foot firmly planted the abs will end up cycling between the locked and unlocked states if a sensor existed that could detect impending lockup then we could sit right at that point which is where maximum braking effect is achieved this pulsing can often be felt in the brake pedal as the system cycles the percentage of the time that the brakes are truly engaged is called the duty cycle typically in an abs system this is about on dry pavement a trained driver can beat this duty cycle quite reliably using a technique called threshold braking on wet pavement braking is so chancy that abs will outperform threshold braking nearly every time unfortunately on mud and on snow often maximum braking effect can be acheived with the brakes locked only audi of the manufacturers producing abs equipped cars has seen fit to provide a disable switch for the abs system for this eventuality a particularly important feature of abs is that it preserves steering control this is the case simply because if you are braking near the limit and turn the wheel the abs will release the brakes if it sees steering triggered lockup and back off on the percentage of the time that the brakes are applied braking distances will lengthen accordingly an important caution abs cannot exceed the maximum theoretical braking force in any given situation if you start sliding on glare ice don t expect an abs system to help you out very much the coefficient of friction is not changed by the presence of an abs system in your car as far as maintenence goes in addition to the potential restrictions i ve listed above you have to worry about the following parts costs are much higher the oe master cylinder for my obscure european sedan lists for but the oe master cylinder for the abs equipped version of the same car lists for over most manufacturers explicitly forbid use of dot silicone brake fluids in abs equipped vehicles because of the potential cost of replacement of corroded brake system components regular i suggest annual replacement of brake fluid becomes very important q what about this threshold braking business a normally i d not put this in the consumers q a but recent publicity about a number of accidents involving police drivers in abs equipped chevy caprices suggests that this section is needed here rpw threshold braking is a technique practiced by all serious high performance drivers if made a habit it replaces the stab the pedal and lock em up panic habit entirely and is much to be prefered basically the premise is that tires generate maximum braking force when they have just started to slide but just before the wheels lock up entirely drivers who threshold brake learn to feel what this threshold feels like and learn to search for it and hit it on the application of the brake pedal in many cars you can feel that you are near the threshold when the pedal starts to firm up as you depress it in any case if you can t hear the tires whine just a bit you re not very near the threshold in a car with abs often there is a twinge in the pedal just before the system starts cycling if the driver backs off on the pedal just a tad when the twinge is felt then they are very close to the threshold and they ll probably achieve better stopping distances than if they just punched it and let the abs take over recently there has been a rash of publicity over a number of accidents and one death involving police cars equipped with abs systems the police departments in question quickly blamed the new abs systems but according to autoweek magazine it now seems clear that the problem was a lack of training none of the involved officers had any recent performance driving training there is reason to believe that the drivers reacted to the pulsing brake pedal by pump braking an old and discredited technique of stabbing and releasing the brake pedal the goal being to try and get brakes back with a failing hydraulic system if you think about it for a minute you ll realize that pump braking must cut the effective operation of a working brake system by at least so if you cut the duty cycle of an abs system by that much you are giving up most of your brakes for the wrong reason threshold braking has the advantage in that it is an effective and useful technique regardless of whether your car has abs if you do fear a failed hydraulic system then one or two stabs at the pedal will be sufficient gas questions q does high octane gasoline help a maybe maybe not some cars have knock sensors and can adjust the engine timing or turbocharger boost to suit the gasoline being used on most cars however you should use the cheapest gas that makes your car run well check your owner s manual for details on what your car needs q my car was made for leaded gasoline will unleaded gas hurt it a it is possible that unleaded gas may slightly increase valve wear although the amoco oil company argues otherwise the actual increase in valve wear will be almost unnoticeable however as modern leaded gasolines actually contain very little lead you should however check your owner s manual many cars from the early s do not actually require leaded gasoline q do fuel treatments help what kind should i use a some do and some don t during the winter it is a good idea to use dry gas however some may be harmful to fuel injection systems never use an additive containing methanol sometimes called methyl alcohol such additives may damage fuel systems in cars with carbs and almost certainly will damage cars with fuel injection manufacturer s opinions vary on additives containing ethanol sometimes called ethyl alcohol if your car has fuel injection check the owner s manual on your car before using these most manufacturers consider ethanol acceptable in gasoline additives with isopropyl alcohol isopropanol and petroleum distillates are fine in fuel injected cars an occasional bottle of fuel injector cleaner is helpful in cars with fuel injectors although many premium gasolines contain detergents that do the same job some off brands of fuel injector cleaners contain ethanol or methanol always check the ingredients before putting anything in your gas tank there are a small number of particularly good additives these are noticeably more expensive that the run of the mill ones but work much much better among these are chevron techron redline sl wurth lubrimoly ventil sauber and bg k a bottle of one of these once every six months is highly recommended q what about detergent gasolines a the quality of detergent packages in gasolines varies somewhat bmw has instituted a testing program and gasoline brands which pass this test may advertise that fact stickers indicating passage of the test are now beginning to appear on fuel pumps at gas stations if such gasolines are used then fuel injector cleaners are probably optional beforewarned that while use of bmw approved gasolines will keep a clean engine clean they may not clean a motor with bad valve deposits lubrication questions q what do the numbers and letters in a motor oil designation mean a there are several different items encoded there is a two letter code indicating the type of detergent package that the manufacturer uses in the oil this looks like se sf cd or such the s codes are for gasoline engine applications the c codes are for diesel engine applications the second letter is assigned in sequence as new levels of protection are developed thus sf is considered better than se se is considered better than sd and so forth the more noticeable designation is the oil weight this is either a single number e g weight or a pair of numbers separated by the letter w e g w the latter type is much more commonly used these days and are the only type that most automobile manufacturers specify in operators manuals the first number in the designation w is the apparent viscosity of the oil when it is cold the w stands for winter the second number is the viscosity of the oil when hot there is a trick here the oil doesn t actually get thicker turn from weight to weight as it gets hotter what is actually happening is that when the oil is cold it has the viscosity of a cold weight oil as it gets hotter it doesn t get thin as fast as a w oil would by the time it is up to temperature it has the viscosity of a hot weight oil note that these numbers actually specify ranges of viscosities not all w oils have exactly the same viscosity when cold and not all weight oils have the same viscosity when hot note also that the novel behaviour of multi grade oils is caused by additives and it has been reported that with the sole exception of castrol gtx w oils do not retain their multi grade characteristics well over time w w and w oils work very well though q are quick lube places any good a some do adequate work but there are quite a few incompetent ones out there let the buyer beware watch them while they work make sure that they don t overtorque the oil drain plug and keep your hand on your wallet at all times q are oil additives like slick or tufoil any good a slick and tufoil are ptfe based additives many of these have come onto the market recently they are different from the moly based additives that have been around since the early s ptfe is the chemical name for teflon tm a trademark owned by dupont in general auto manufacturers do not recommend use of these products most usenet responses to questions on these additives are favorable slight increase of mpg after application smoother revving but long term results whether ptfe additives are effective after k miles are debatable some manufacturers such as saab claim that either the product or the engine flush that preceeds application causes deterioration of the oil seals and eventual leakage some bmw owners have reported death of valve seals shortly after the addition of slick to their cars this writer has been cautioned by a slick dealer that slick should not be used in japanese motors as it may clog the oil return passages in the engine otherwise there are no known reports of damage caused by ptfe additives on the other hand there are satified slick customers in the world q do synthetic oils really work a yes but more specifically most auto manufactuers accept synthetics but disagree with the extremely long oil change intervals claimed by oil manufacturers auto manufacturers recommend that you continue to change oil at the intervals recommended in the owners manual for your car even if you decide to try the longer intervals at least change the oil filter at regular intervals as synthetics get just as dirty as conventional oils synthetic gear lubricants for manual transmissions are another matter entirely amsoil redline and agip are very highly regarded and very effective mobil synthetic gear lube gets mixed reviews however q manufacturers are specifying longer and longer oil change intervals how often should i change my oil a it depends on how you drive if your car always or nearly always gets warmed up and you don t drive it very hard and keep the revs down the manufacturer s recommendation is probably fine if however you drive it hard drive it at high revs or alternatively if you only drive it to and from the supermarket so that it doesn t get up to temperature then you may wish to change oil much more often perhaps at mile intervals given that most manufacturers are now specifying mile intervals if you don t drive your car much at all say miles a year then you probably want to change oil every six months anyway if you are storing a car during the winter then change oil before storing it and change oil when you bring it out of storage misc questions q my car has a timing belt i hear that bad things happen when they break what s the story a it depends on the internal design of the motor early ford escorts for example will suffer severe valve damage if the belt breaks but the newer cars will just require a tow and installation of a new belt some honda motors will not be damaged but others will be if no replacement interval is specified for your car then change the belt at least every miles some cars may require more frequent replacement ask your dealer or independent mechanic also ask if there are any related repairs that should take place at the same time for example the same ford escorts that suffer valve damage also have a timing belt driven water pump which has been known to seize destroying the timing belt and which then causes major valve damage as a side effect replacing the timing belt while ignoring the water pump can be a costly mistake q why would anyone be stupid enough to design a motor so that it self destructs when the timing belt breaks a for performance reasons compromising piston design so that the valves and pistons will not collide requires that the compression ratio of the engine be reduced significantly this is why you are more likely to avoid valve damage in economy cars than in performance oriented vehicles q what causes unintended acceleration a the final report of the national highway transportation and safety administration concluded that unintended acceleration could not be caused by any mechanical failure of the vehicle in question and at the same time be consistent with the physical evidence the nhtsa report goes on to conclude that pedal misapplication by the vehicle operator is probably the cause richard welty welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith
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re warning please read unfortunately i ve got another story to add to this my girlfriend and i were driving through west l a and got pelted by a rock just as we were pulling away from a stoplight the scary thing was that the rock was heavy enough to put a decent sized dent in the door of my riviera which is pretty much solid detriot iron couple of inches higher and it would have gone through the window chris chris barrus chrisb lynx ps uci edu kallista aol com buick riviera boattail peace through superior automotive power sacred cows make the best hamburger abbie hoffman
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militech i saw an interesting product in ny auto show and would like to hear your comments militech tm is yet another oil additive but the demonstration of this product really impressive if it didn t cheat the setup of the demo is fairly simple a cone shaped rotor is half submerged in a small oil sink filled with motor oil the rotor is powered by an electronic motor a metal pad is pressed against the rotor using the torque wrench until the rotor stopped by friction the torque that is needed to stop rotor is read from the torque wrench before militech was added the rotor was stopped with about lb ft of torque you pick the brand of oil no difference once militech was added to the oil the rotor could not be stopped even with lb ft of torque here is the good part even after the salesman emptied the oil sink you still could not stopped the rotor with the thin film remained on it they say you need only add oz per quart of oil every k miles a oz bottle is i still have my doubts if this product is really so great why it was so little known the salesman said it is widely used in military i didn t believe it the demo was so impressive that i bought a bottle against my common sense has anyone heard of or actually used this product is it real if you are going to the auto show please visit this stand on the second floor see if can find out if the demo is a hoax or not jason chen
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re ford sho engine parts w will not do work on internal engine components of the sho engine this w w good thing too w w at about k miles my cam sensor went south different ford w dealers tried or different fixes none of which worked finally w i took it down the street to the local mechanic this guy reads the w code off the engine computer says bad cam sensor and fixes it in w an hour a friend of mine had some sensors damaged by flood waters ford denys any sensors are registering bad he and his father did the short a circut via paper clip method not sure of the exact technique and read the codes off the service engine light flashes generated from this came up with the damaged sensors went back to ford and told them what was wrong they fixed the car after that what a bunch of bozos the cutting edge bbs cutting hou tx us a pcboard a system houston texas usa running uupcb
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rec autos automotive mailing lists archive name rec autos part automotive mailing lists electronic mail that is last updated new lotus exotic cars list subscription info added portland or motorsports list corvair list triumph tr list rpw there are a number of electronic mailing lists on the network devoted to various special automotive topics to the best of my knowledge all the lists appearing here have open membership policies it is my policy not to list closed mailing lists here most mailing lists provide separate addresses for administrative queries and for general mail where separate administrative addresses exist i have listed those below as the general addresses are not appropriate for inquirys and requests audi send requests to quattro request aries east sun com autocross solo send requests to autox request hoosier cs utah edu bmw send requests to bmw request balltown cma com both regular and digest forms available british cars send requests to british cars request hoosier cs utah edu buick grand national regal gnx send requests to gnttype request srvsn monsanto com camaro firebird gm f body send requests to f body request boogie ebay sun com corvair send requests to bryan pegasus mitre org corvettes there are two lists the first is more of a competition oriented list and the second is more general in nature or so i am told competition send requests to vettes request cimage com general send requests to vettes request compaq com datsun fairlady roadsters send requests to datsun roadsters request hoosier cs utah edu dodge stealth mitsubishi gt send requests to stealth req jim uucp wupost wustl edu eclipse talon laser send requests to diginst talon request radius com electric vehicles send requests to info ev request ymir claremont edu exotic cars send requests to exotic cars request sol asl hitachi com fabrication race cars send requests to racefab request pms pms ford com international harvester discussion of scouts pickups etc send requests to ihc request balltown cma com italian cars send requests to italian cars request balltown cma com both regular and digest forms available hondas listserv brownvm brown edu use standard listserv subscription procedure the mail message body to listserv should be sub honda l your real name with no subject line in the header hot rods send requests to hotrod request dixie com land rovers send requests to land rover owner request stratus com lotus send requests to lotus cars request netcom com mazdas send requests to mazda list request ms uky edu miata listserv jhunix hcf jhu edu use standard listserv subscription procedure the mail message body to listserv should be sub miata your real name with no subject line in the header merkurs send requests to merkur request pcad uucp mopar mostly high performance chrysler dodge plymouth products send requests to mopar casbah acns nwu edu mr send requests to mr interest request validgh com mustangs there are two lists the first is for mustangs through the second for mustangs from on nobody cares about the mustang ii so don t ask classic send requests to classic mustangs request hpfctjc fc hp com modern send requests to mustangs request cup hp com offroad x send requests to offroad request ai gtri gatech edu porsches send requests to porschephiles request tta com portland oregon motorsports activities send requests to pdxracer request reed edu rally send requests to rally request stratus com rx send requests to jjn cblpf att com saabs send requests to saab network mhs compuserve com saturn send requests to saturn request oar net school high performance driving schools send requests to school request balltown cma com sentra se r g n send requests to se r request pencom com supras send requests to supras request vicor com toyota send requests to toyota request quack sac ca us triumph tr v tr send requests to jtc ccwf cc utexas edu volvos requests to swedishbricks request me rochester edu wheel to wheel racing forum for race drivers workers crew and wannabes send requests to wheeltowheel request abingdon sun com z cars nissan datsun send requests to z car request dixie com richard welty welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith
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rec autos the rec autos archive server archive name rec autos part the automotive articles archive server the automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted and is presently not available richard welty welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith
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rec autos frequently asked questions archive name rec autos part this article is one of a pair of articles containing commonly asked automotive questions the other article contains questions of general consumer interest and is broken out to facilitate crossposting to misc consumers rpw last change february ct now permits radar detector usage new tire traction q a rpw commonly asked questions radar questions q where are radar detectors illegal a in the us currently virgina and the district of columbia prohibit all usage of radar detectors new york prohibits their use in large trucks in canada they are illegal in manitoba ontario quebec newfoundland and pei prince edward island they are apparently are illegal through most if not all of europe legislation which would make them illegal is pending in many other jurisdictions chances of such legislation passing varies a great deal q where are radar detector detectors used do they really work a usage is spreading rapidly initially they were used only in canada but now they are appearing in new york and virginia it is unsafe to assume that they are not in use in connecticut and d c they work by detecting a certain frequency radiated by many currently available super het radar detectors some brands of detector radiate more strongly than others and are thus more likely to be spotted new radar detectors are becoming available which may not be detected by the current generation of detector detectors note that a detector may only be spotted by one of these devices if it is turned on q what is vascar is it some kind of radar a vascar is nothing more than a fancy stopwatch and time speed distance computer it depends on the operator pressing buttons as the target vehicle passes landmarks no radar signals are emitted by a vascar system q what is ka band radar where is it used should a radar detector be able to handle it a ka band has recently been made available by the fcc for use in the us in so called photo radar installations in these installations a low powered beam is aimed across the road at a degree angle to the direction of traffic and a picture is taken of vehicles which the radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle because of the low power and the degree angle many people believe that a radar detector cannot give reasonable warning of a ka band radar unit although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such capability anyway the number of locales where photo radar is in use is limited and some question the legality of such units best advice learn what photo radar units look like and keep track of where they are used or else don t speed q do radar jammers work are they legal a quick answer no and not in the usa detailed answer cheap radar jammers do not work well at all jammers that work are expensive and usually the property of the military jammers are a major violation of the regulations of the federal communications commission of the usa driving technique and vehicle dynamics questions q what are understeer and oversteer a understeer and oversteer are terms describing the behaviour of a car while cornering near the limit limit of adhesion that is most drivers do not normally drive hard enough for these terms to be descriptive of the situations they encounter simply put they tell whether the car wants to go straight in a corner steer less or understeer or it wants to turn more in a corner oversteer understeer is commonly designed into most production cars so that untrained drivers inadvertantly traveling too fast won t get into trouble understeer may also be induced by using too much throttle in a corner oversteer is designed into some more performance oriented cars it may be induced by lifting on the throttle trailing throttle oversteer or tto in extreme cases lifting on the throttle may induce so much oversteer that the car reacts by fishtailing or spinning some technical details in a corner at speed the tires on the car will develop what are called slip angles the slip angle is the angular difference between the direction that the car is traveling and the direction that the steering wheel is directing the car to travel in understeer the front wheels have a greater slip angle than the rear wheels in oversteer the rear wheels have a greater slip angle than the front wheels q what is a rev matched downshift a when downshifting the engine must be rotating faster in the lower gear than it was in the higher gear however during a downshift normally you declutch and lift your foot from the throttle so the revs drop rather than increase in rev matched downshift you blip the throttle before re engaging the clutch so that the engine will already be up to the new speed this results in a much smoother and faster downshift q what does heel and toe mean a heel and toe is a technique used to do a rev matched downshift while braking this is normally challenging because you need the right foot for both the brake and throttle it is called heel and toe because you use one end of the foot on the brake and the other on the throttle to match revs for the downshift in many modern cars this is a misnomer often you must use the ball of the foot on the brake and the right side on the throttle note that some race car drivers will skip the clutch and just use the left foot on the brake and the right foot on the throttle accomplishing the same thing q what is double clutch downshifting a while your right foot is doing the above your left foot can do one of three things nothing declutch once or declutch twice the reason for declutching twice is to match the speeds of the two shafts in the transmission to the speed of the engine this is usually coupled with rev matching so that while the engine is in neutral and the clutch engaged the throttle is blipped and both shafts of the transmission speed up the procedure is as follows declutch move gearshift lever to neutral engage clutch match revs declutch move gearshift lever to next lower gear engage clutch this sounds like a lot of work but with practice it becomes natural the problem that double clutching solves is normally the function of the synchronizers within the gearbox in transmissions without synchros or with very worn synchros double clutching makes it much easier to shift basically if you double clutch well you are not using the synchros at all this is generally unnecessary on street cars with synchros in good condition q what do the numbers for acceleration from mile skidpad and slalom times in the auto magazines really mean may they be compared a in short not as much as the magazines want you to believe and almost never in more detail the acceleration numbers mph and mile times in the us may be vaguely compared as long as they all come from the same source testing procedures vary so much from magazine to magazine that comparing a road track number to a car driver number is quite pointless keep in mind too that the same variation applies from driver to driver on the street the driver is a major often the major part of the equation skidpads vary and even if they didn t skidpad figures are really only tests of the stickiness of the stock tires they change radically when tire compounds change do not make any assumptions about the comparative handling of say two sports sedans based on skidpad numbers this is not to suggest that skidpads are without value however skidpads are an excellent educational tool at driving schools they are simply of limited value in the comparison of anything except tires slalom times are slightly more useful they test some small parts of the automobile s transient response however they are also heavily influenced by the stock rubber on the car and they do not test many corners of the car s envelope they do not tell you all you need to know before making a buying decision for example they don t tell you what the rear end of the car will do on a road which suddenly goes off camber when a car has an adjustable suspension these tests are usually done in the sport setting which may be quite unsuitable for daily driving the list of caveats could go on for page after page q my buddy claims that wide tires don t make any difference according to his freshman physics textbook and that you can t ever accelerate or corner at more than g does he know what he s talking about a in short he hasn t got a clue in more detail the equations for friction used in freshman physics textbooks presume that the surfaces are smooth dry and non deformable none of which properly apply to tire traction except in the case of a stone cold tire on dry pavement which is far below its proper operating temperature pavement is never smooth it is always irregular to a greater or lesser extent tires which are not really dry and solid as rubber is a substance which in its natural form is liquid and which has only been coerced into a semblance of solidity by chemical magic deform to match the surface of the pavement which a vehicle is traveling over in a tire at operating temperature grip is actually generated by shear stresses inside the deformed rubber and not by anything even remotely resembling friction in the freshman physics sense of the term the colder a tire is relative to its operating temperature the closer its behaviour will be to the traditional concept of friction if much hotter than the its proper operating temperature the more likely the possibility of some part of the tire actually reverting to liquid which is mostly like to happen deep in the tread causing characteristic blisters and chunking this latter though is almost completely unlikely to happen in normal street driving so unless you re a competition driver or do a lot of high speed track driving don t worry about it because tire traction is completely out of the domain of simple friction it does not obey the freshman physics equation at all thus dragsters accelerate at more than g and race cars corner and brake at more than g because simple friction does not apply it is actually possible for different sized contact patches to generate differing amounts of grip an actual analysis of tire behavior would require techniques such as finite element analysis due to the complexity of the mechanism misc questions q what does name or acronym stand for a here is a list of some of the names which are commonly asked about be careful in soliciting the meanings of other names as misinformation abounds on the net in particular never ask in rec humor if you want a useful result saab svenska aeroplan a b or the swedish airplane corporation alfa societa anonima lombarda fabbrica automobili or the lombardy automobile manufacturing company fiat fabbrica italiana di automobili torino or the italian automobile manufacturers of turin bmw bayerische motoren werke or bavarian motor works mg morris garage q does vw own porsche a no porsche is a publicly held company controlled by the porsche and piech families porsche has extensive business dealings with vw audi which causes some confusion since currently porsche is in some financial difficulty there is a possibility that mercedes or vw may be interested in purchasing the company in the near future but this is only speculation at this time richard welty welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith
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rec autos automotive mailing lists how to set up your own archive name rec autos part new article as of february rpw many people want to set up mailing lists for their favorite automotive topics rather fewer know how to do it this article will provide the essential information for doing so on standard unix systems a shell script and examples of alias file setups are included which presently run on a sparc here at balltown cma com for a number of mailing lists note that if you do set up an automotive mailing list please let me know of the request address so that i can list it in the montly rec autos posting also inform the keeper of the usenet list of lists check news answers for this monthly posting first of all to get anywhere you need to either be a sysadmin or have some measure of assistance from your sysadmin it is also important that you have reasonably good network connectivity if it seems like you get everything several days after anyone else or that you have trouble getting email through then your network connectivity is probably not good enough listserv there is a handy automated mailing list package named listserv which is available from several ftp servers on the network details of the installation and operation of listserv are beyond the scope of this article but anyone who is considering running a large mailing list should probably look at listserv carefully the alias file on a typical unix system there is a file named usr lib aliases on whichever file server is your mail host it contains lines such as foo bar baz bletch which means that any email sent the name foo on that host is redistributed to users bar baz and bletch thus the simplest possible email list is my favorite car member member member my address my favorite car request my address this has a couple of problems the most noticeable one being that you have to be superuser to edit the alias file however you can do the following with the connivance of your sysadmin my favorite car include home mydir misc autos my favorite car list my favorite car request my address where the file specified is a list of comma and newline separated addresses this file can be in the list admin s home directory owned by the list admin bounced mail this still has a problem bounced mail usually gets distributed to all the members of the list which is generally considered somewhat irritating therefore the way that the driving school mailing list is set up is instructive thanks to harpal chohan of the bmw list for this setup by the way i m not sure where he got it from school request welty school rebroadcast include home newwelty misc autos school list school usr local adm bin explscript school owner school school request owner school out school request here s what is going on here the owner and request addresses are intended as traps for bounced mail coming from the network the request address also serves as the point of contact for administrative duties school is what people send mail to instead of pointing at addresses it points at a shell script which rewrites headers before resending the email school broadcast of which nobody except me knows the name the name has been changed here to protect my own sanity points at the actual list members the shell script i use is as follows bin sh cd tmp sed e reply to d e sender d e from d echo reply to balltown cma com echo errors to request balltown cma com echo sender request balltown cma com cat usr lib sendmail om f request balltown cma com f the mailing list rebroadcast exit note that this script does not know the name of the list the name is passed in from outside so that the script may be used for multiple lists i run several out of this site the script excises reply to sender and from lines from the incoming message substitutes for sender and reply to and adds errors to of all email bounce messages end up being sent to the request or owner addresses if this header rewrite is done for digested lists there is some digestification software around hopefully i ll be able to provide more information in a future version of this posting richard welty welty balltown cma com richard welty welty cabot balltown cma com nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of a race car about either its pitch or roll axis carroll smith
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article qa wichitaks ncr com jhart qa wichitaks ncr com jim hart writes in article mar uncavx unca edu bwillard uncavx unca edu writes my top list of dumbest automotive concepts ever dodge colt vista tachometer only avail with automatic trans back up lights on corvette they re on the sides of the car sure would be interested to know what year s this was i don t seem to recall any car with back up lights on the sides much less any corvette i suppose i could be mis interpreting what you are trying to say here just a quick comment backup lights mounted on the side would actually be extremely useful for people backing out of parking stalls regards charles within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person
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re warning please read this is a two sided problem unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time the breeding of these low life s is getting worse our justice system is at best extremely weak to handle these problems that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent my camaro my pride and joy got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back the persons that did that were eventually caught lucky for me but not before having trashed the car on another occasion on my way from texas to florida i had stopped in a small motel for the night in a small town somewhere in florida about youths were disturbing my car setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out when i and another tenant walked out with a magnum and a automatic respectively they vanished needless to say i immediately packed up and left watch out for car jacking and staged accidents they can be deadly steve heracleous
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re warning please read ejv j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but pound rocks has our society really stooped this low you make it sound like this behavior is new it isn t a lot of pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to make this kind of think a lot harder to do i don t understand the mentality myself but then again i couldn t figure out move i m glad they bombed em or the waco wackos either newsgroup list trimmed significantly jim frost jimf centerline com
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re changing oil by self in article apr colorado edu drew kinglear cs colorado edu drew eckhardt writes most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators and i ve never seen nor heard of a vandal opening one i imagine that there would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have to crawl furthur under the car to open it car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods and do things that don t get them dirty like keying your car dumping sand sugar or mothballs in the gas tank tping it etc usually go enough places and you ll see stuff happen you didn t think did steve
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re mazda rx parts jc whitney their number is they are based in chicago il in case you need to call dir assistance their prices are more down to earth than any other source for car innards outers they will send you a free catalog neeraj
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes my top list of dumbest automotive concepts ever back up lights on corvette they re on the sides of the car sure would be interested to know what year s this was i don t seem to recall any car with back up lights on the sides much less any corvette i suppose i could be mis interpreting what you are trying to say here just a quick comment backup lights mounted on the side would actually be extremely useful for people backing out of parking stalls while i can t think of any corvettes with side mounted backup lights i know that saab started using them about years ago my saab didn t have them but a friend s saab certainly did in addition to the confentional tail light mounted backup lights they had another set integrated into the front turn signal assembly for those of you who don t remember saabs of that vintage had an enormous multicoloured plastic growth about the size of a national geographic magazine sticking out of the front fender which incorporated amber parking lights amber side marker lights reflectors white cornering lamps like american luxury cars aimed towards the side of the road when you have your turn indicators on and white backup lights aimed towards the back of the car when you have selected reverse gear the glossy brochure showed how these front mounted backup lights were useful for illuminating hazards pot holes kid s toys etc that would be run over by the front of the car if you had the wheels turned while backing up mart l molle computer systems research institute university of toronto toronto canada m s a
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re aftermarket a c units in article qcaueinnmt axon cs unc edu andrew brandt writes i looked into getting a c installed on my honda crx si the unit is plus shipping installation is like hours on top of that this is a hunk of change does anyone know any place that does aftermarket a c installation not with a honda a c unit but some third party unit i cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a c unit in a honda i am in no carolina so i would prefer some place nearby but any references would be handy thx andy brandt cs unc edu les bartel s comments sorry i can t help you with your question but i do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket a c units i have a frost king or frost temp forget which aftermarket unit on my cavalier and am quite unhappy with it the fan is noisy and doesn t put out much air i will never have an aftermarket a c installed in any of my vehicles again i just can t trust the quality and performance after this experience les les bartel i m going to live forever let me add my in i had a a c installed by the ford garage and it did not work as well as the a c that was installed by the factory in pickups identical to mine i have talked to other people that have had the same result don t know if this is just a probable with ford or what ernie smith
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re aftermarket a c units in article qcaueinnmt axon cs unc edu andrew brandt writes i looked into getting a c installed on my honda crx si the unit is plus shipping installation is like hours on top of that this is a hunk of change does anyone know any place that does aftermarket a c installation not with a honda a c unit but some third party unit i cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a c unit in a honda i am in no carolina so i would prefer some place nearby but any references would be handy thx andy brandt cs unc edu les bartel s comments sorry i can t help you with your question but i do have a comment to make concerning aftermarket a c units i have a frost king or frost temp forget which aftermarket unit on my cavalier and am quite unhappy with it the fan is noisy and doesn t put out much air i will never have an aftermarket a c installed in any of my vehicles again i just can t trust the quality and performance after this experience les les bartel i m going to live forever let me add my in i had a a c installed by the ford garage and it did not work as well as the a c that was installed by the factory in pickups identical to mine i have talked to other people that have had the same result don t know if this is just a problem with ford or what ernie smith
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jeep laredo experiences i have been looking at buying a jeep laredo and was wondering if anyone had any bad or good experiences with this model is it all that much different than the other yjs it looks feels and sounds like a nice vehicle even thought the price is rather steep for an k canadian don bnr ca
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re curious about the porsche i drove ak yfn ysu edu albion h bowers writes in a previous article wade nb rockwell com wade guthrie says takaharu mail sas upenn edu taka mizutani writes in article apr progress com damelio progress com stephen d amelio wrote i wrote this is consistent with the pre the engine before that was a litre or less depending on how early you go and got its power at high revs starting slowly at about k and jumping up at around k with a narrow band the was a litre and had a lot of smog equipment if you got much power at all it d be better distributed through the rev range bzzzt wrong answer it really depends on whether you are talking model year or date of manufacture for instance mine was a but was manufactured in august of prior to all s were o liter for the and model years they were liter for the and model years they were liter except for the carerra rs which was a liter the and later years were easily identified by the new mph bumpers most models in the year were lietsr except the carerra rsr which was a liter us carerras from were liter models in they went to liter and there was only a single model the sc think of it as a cross between the s and the carerra models note all the above are based on model year not date of manufacture i stand corrected this is all from memory mind you as for the rev happy behavior the earlier cars are even more prone to this the liter cars used low compression engines and suffered a bit in this regard the early liter and liter engines also got a good dose of smog gear as well the and liter engines were far and away the quickest revvers of the lot yeah that s what i was trying to say no really wade guthrie trying to program on ms dos is like trying wade nb rockwell com to shave with a chain saw me be not speaking for the rock
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re warning please read in article apr virginia edu ejv j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i don t recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors weren t holding out hope that she d live what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but pound rocks has our society really stooped this low erik velapold society as we have known it it coming apart at the seams the basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is no big deal kid s see hundreds on murderous acts on tv we can abort children on demand and kill the sick and old at will so why be surprised when some kids drop lbs rocks and kill people they don t care because the message they hear is life is cheap at
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re braindead drivers who don t look ahead hhm cbnewsd cb att com herschel h mayo writes so i block the would be passers not only for my own good but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it as a rule of philosophy i don t feel particularly sorry when somebody gets offed by his own stupidity but it does worry me when some idiot is in a position to cash in my chips too h h mayo zdem a hgo hou amoco com donna martz writes well aren t we just mr altruism himself just what the world needs another frustrated self appointed traffic cop hhm cbnewsd cb att com herschel h mayo writes well if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a foot semi i suppose it s your neck however i m not going to let you kill me in the bargain if you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death due to less that wise driving practices then tough well i never wrote that i would act as you described i stated that i would not block a would be passer i would not block a would be passer for their own good or for any reason other than i was prevented from doing so due to the traffic circumstance i fail to see how deterring a passer under these circumstance would in any way decrease your chances of being involved in an accident fatal or otherwise in fact i could imagine how blocking a would be passer would actually increase your chances of being offed or involved in an accident especially if this passer is riding your bumper intentionally blocking a person riding your bumper is certainly not a wise driving practice it only causes the jam to become more congested i don t mess with trucks and i actually watch the road ahead and the road behind if i perceive that i am rapidly closing on a pack of vehicles i try to avoid getting caught up in situation such as you decribe usually either traffic is just building and i have to deal with this fact of life or i wait to a slow passer to complete their pass and make way for the pack to clear if someone decides then to pull up on my bumper i signal my intention to move to the right and do so at the first opportunity hope they will open the jam i feel this is not only courteous driving but alot safer than the actions you advocate there are actually many courteous drivers on the road who do not intentionally impede others if someone in front of me seems to be oblivious to the fact that they are blocking traffic i use my blinker or flash my lights or if all else fails will briefly speed up slow down so they might get the message that i am a faster vehicle trying to pass i feel it is never safe to ride anyone s bumper if someone is intentionally blocking traffic because they feel that it is civil duty or philosophic duty or for some unfathomable reason i feel they deserve at the very least derision sorry this is soooooooo long
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bmw s new plant in greer sc is anyone reading this message involved with the new bmw plant does bmw corporate even have a net connection desperately seeking info jeff hagen hagenjd ac wfu edu
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re warning please read in article qk t dg armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes ejv j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but pound rocks has our society really stooped this low you make it sound like this behavior is new it isn t a lot of pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to make this kind of think a lot harder to do i don t understand the mentality myself but then again i couldn t figure out move i m glad they bombed em or the waco wackos either i know that this isn t the group for it but since you brought it up does anyone have any idea why they haven t bombed the waco cult just curious newsgroup list trimmed significantly jim frost jimf centerline com larry keys csmes ncsl nist gov oo v fahrvergnugen forever the fact that i need to explain it to you indicates that you probably wouldn t understand anyway
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes in article qa wichitaks ncr com jhart qa wichitaks ncr com jim hart writes in article mar uncavx unca edu bwillard uncavx unca edu writes my top list of dumbest automotive concepts ever dodge colt vista tachometer only avail with automatic trans back up lights on corvette they re on the sides of the car sure would be interested to know what year s this was i don t seem to recall any car with back up lights on the sides much less any corvette i suppose i could be mis interpreting what you are trying to say here just a quick comment backup lights mounted on the side would actually be extremely useful for people backing out of parking stalls regards charles within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person wasn t the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver so he could see where he was backing up although reverse lights on the sides are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the path of the car i don t think warnings were their original intents since they are colored white chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand
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re lois chevrolet a little bit off of the subject but here goes yes he is one in the same i e chevrolet motor div also his brother gaston raced at indy and was the winner in i have also seen the name arthur chevrolet in the early teens and on i assume he is related keith nuetzman nuet ke pts mot com motorola inc paging and wireless data group boynton beach fl see ya at indy and yes
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re thinking about buying intrepid good or bad idea i bought an intrepid about two months ago and am very happy with it lots of room inside and even with the smaller engine it has enough power for me the only problem i found was a small selection on the dealer s lots they are hot sellers around here
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re changing oil by self ah yes the big chunks down in the sump the solution is simple sort of like the advice my aunt always gave never scratch your ear with anything except your elbow if you have pieces of ring con rods valve heads or stems just reach into the sump through the hole in the block that was associated with the creation of those large bits and pieces anything you can t remove with one hand through the hole in the block may safely be left in place
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waxing a new car i have just taken delivery on a new gm car firebird with a clearcoat finish i assume that it is probably urethane since the industry has moved in that direction in paints in years past it used to be recommended that owners wait up to days before you wax a car for the paint to cure the dealer shop manager said this also but i m not sure that he wasn t just basing it on past tradition does anyone know if this is still a recommended practice or is it better to go ahead and wax right away non abrasive new car wax with the newer finishes terry quinn germantown hills il tquinn heartland bradley edu from compuserve internet tquinn heartland bradley edu
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tercel sunroof leaks arrggh is there a simple way tooput these sunroofs out of their misery do leaks tend to be from old gaskets or from inadequate mechanical seals or all of the above is there any way to halt the rain thanks hk henry bruno kon office with machine home with machine
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re plymouth sundance dodge shadow experiences i don t know if some lemons are out there but from personal experience my brother s has been trouble free not one single repair only regular maintainance the only work he had done on it was a result of his stupidity he stopped suddenly in the middle of a left turn on a busy intersection and was rear ended he has a plymouth sundance i would recomend it but i would also like to say that if you can wait about six months chryco is coming out with a new car called the neon that is built in the same way as the lh s where good luck with your desiscion
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clear coat woes is clear coat really worth it yes on the showroom floor the cars have this deep lustrous shine that just can t be found on paint jobs that aren t clear coated on the other hand it seems that every clear coated car that i ve seen on the road in a parking lot etc has fine scratches throughout the paint job as does alas my laser several weeks ago i had my car professionally polished and waxed when i picked it up it had that same showroom shine that i remember from a year ago when i bought it several days ago i took my car to the dealership for some work as an added bonus they washed my car unfortunately whoever washed it either didn t get the roof which is black the rest of the car is red completely clean before he dried it or he used a dirty towel now my showroom shine is a haze of fine scratches that aren t really visible until the light hits the roof at a particular angle i am to put it mildy somewhat peeved about this do i have any chance of getting the dealership to do something about this my guess is no is there any product on the market that provides a solution to this problem or am i faced with the prospect of having the car professionally polished again to hide the scratches information commiseration and sympathy all greatly appreciated scott the dealership will never wash my car again borders sborders nyx cs du edu borders scott tandem com
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re chryslers compact lh sedans rmt r faraday clas virginia edu roy matthew thigpen writes aas po cwru edu writes in a previous article v mcqs ubvmsd cc buffalo edu adam m gandler says i heard chrysler is planning to design or is in the process of designing a compact sedan line based on the lh platform if these were as thought out as the full sized sedans and priced competitively i see no reason why they could not give the imports and even the saturns a serious challenge oh goody we now get to see saturns sold through cryco dealers fab why is it this a hole insist on remarks like this i really am growing tired of this s drew do you have a kill file for your newsreader i put the name spencer in my kill file and that gives me about less articles per day that i have to sift through
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i m getting a car i need opinions i have as my budget i m looking for a sports or gt car what do you think would be the best buy i m looking for specific models thanks danny hey you programmers out there danny phornprapha please consider this ip lehigh edu bugs are another endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing your protection work
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re rfi art of clutchless shifting schludermann sscvx ssc gov writes i m wondering if anybody else out there is a clutchless shifter i ve been doing it my self over miles on my current toyota truck i ve got over k i ve heard people talk about how doing this can damage a transmission my experiences suggest otherwise what techniques do you use yeah i don t use the clutch all the time either i ve done it with fords bmw datsun and chevy and it works fine i can t think of any reason that it would damage the tranny essentially you are just doing what the synchros do anyhow match the engine speed with the tranny speed and slip it into gear on some old pieces of junk i drove the transmission was so worn that pumping the clutch was the only way to shift except clutchless to date i ve driven rabbits datsuns comets fords a chevy some where harder than others to shift but generally the higher the milage the smoother quicker easier they where to shift my technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently wrist back on the shift lever if for some reason i miss the shift window i lightly press the accelerator try agian i ve found that clutchless shifting is eaiser quicker at high rpms i also skip gears some times using sounds about right i usually slip it out during throttle down and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right usually about a second and then slip it into gear krispy jon you obviously don t know who you re dealing with gross jong halcyon com
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re acura integra speed i have a acura integra speed with miles on it it is positively the worst car i have ever owned i had an prelude that had k miles on it when i sold it and it was still going strong this is with religious attention to maintenance such as oil changes etc both cars were driven in exactly the same manner it has gone through two clutches which are underrated sets of tires really eats tires in the front even with careful align all struts started leaking about k miles windshield wiper motor burned up service note on this one seek stop working on radio about k miles two timing belts constant error signals from computer and finally a rod bearing went out on the no piston seriously damaging the crankshaft contaminating the engine etc when the overhaul was done last week it required new crankshaft one new cam shaft has two because the camshaft shattered when they tried to mill it the camshaft took weeks to get because it is on national back order everything on the engine is unique to the year they went to a new design in parts are very expensive no way would i ever buy another acura it is highly overrated
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re most bang for k in article apr ns cc lehigh edu rwf ns cc lehigh edu r obert william fusi writes in article uupcb cutting hou tx us david bonds cutting hou tx us d a vid bonds writes in rec autos cpkjp vm cc latech edu kevin parker writes i d like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the to price range i m looking for a car with enough civility to b e driven every day or even on long trips but when i hit the gas i want to fe e l take a look at a taurus sho they can be found for k and are the ultimate in door sports cars performance similar to a mustang but quite civil and comfortable try to get a late model for the better shifter the cutting edge bbs cutting hou tx us a pcboard a system houston texas usa running uupcb well you could always go with a mustang lx with a pleasant v but the diamond star cars talon eclipse laser put out hp in the turbo models and hp in the awd turbo models these cars also have handling to match the muscle and are civil in regular driving conditions rather than having a harsh stiff ride the awd turbo is clearly the better choice of the two because of all that torque steer on the front drive model but you may have to go with a leftover or slightly used model for that price range tough decision rob fusi rwf lehigh edu car and driver did a test with the same basic idea and chose the ford probe gt sp of course
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re too fast in article shaman wv tek com andrew frip wv tek com andrew klossner wr ites can i ask have any of you been at the speed of it s a rush so is cocaine what s your point andrew klossner andrew frip wv tek com yeah and the cop couldn t catch me
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re too fast in article shaman wv tek com andrew frip wv tek com andrew klossner wr ites can i ask have any of you been at the speed of it s a rush so is cocaine what s your point andrew klossner andrew frip wv tek com don t know about the cocaine but
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re new alarm proposal in article apr slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb co m dan day writes in article qeee o s armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost w rites an audible alarm is just an annoyance to either a professional or amateur nobody listens to audible alarms anymore the thieves know this is why i think there ought to be a heavy fine on false alarms i m really honked off about the fact that due to all the cars with cruddy alarms crying wolf no one will pay any attention to my car if its alarm ever goes off for real depends on your area in the city nobody thinks about it but at a mall or something near the suburbs people do at least glance over remember an alarm is only a deterent not a prevention if a thief sees two cars he likes one has an alarm and the other doesn t he s obviously going to skip the alarmed car and avoid the hassle there is a way around every alarm but at least you ve got something on your side rob fusi rwf lehigh edu
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re i m getting a car i need opinions good luck
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curious about you please satisfy my curiosity i m interested in finding out who is using the e mail system please do not flood me with mail after april st thanks maria alice ruth mao psuvm bitnet or psuvm psu edu are you male or female how long have you been using the e mail system how do you have access at work at school etc who taught you how to use the system is that person male or female have you helped anyone to learn the system was that person s male or female which net did you find my questions on which other nets are you interested in how often do you read post to the system
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toyota land cruiser worth it in response to a post about suv s i got several unsolicited recommendations to check out the land cruiser despite its astronomical price the toyota dealer told me it s a cult car if a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following there must be something really extraordinary about it so all you land crusher cultists here is your chance to convert me jonathan edwards edwards intranet com intranet inc
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nx vs sentra se r i m plannig to trade my sentra se r in with a nx my car has miles on it and is a model the nx the dealer is selling is a model with miles on it it has a t bar roof a c and an airbag which my sentra does not have they are asking for is that a fair deal the only thing i noticed about the nx is that the engine did not seem to have as much torque as my sentra which has the same identical engine i presume that the last lady owner did not really push the engine to it s limits occassionaly while i did that on mine thuis the nx s engine is a little tight so if i buy the nx and excercise it well should that slight power problem go away any advice on this will be much appreciated thanks please reply via e mail if possible a motion picture major at the brooks institute of photography ca santa barbara and a foreign student from kuala lumpur malaysia the mind is the forerunner of all states
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re warning please read in article apr convex com tobias convex com allen tobias writes in article apr virginia edu ejv j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i don t recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors weren t holding out hope that she d live what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but pound rocks has our society really stooped this low yes nobody is watching them if they get caught there is no punishment at all in the old days such behaviour would be rewarded with a whipping with a good sized belt and then taken into some hospital to see first hand what kind of damage such accidents cause of course this doesn t happen any more that whipping would probably save the kid s life by teaching him some respect for others a person with that little respect would inevitably wind up dead early anyway the problem is creeping gradualism if you put a frog into hot water he just jumps out but if you put him into cold water and then ever so gradually heat it the frog will cook this is what the entertainment industry and lack of religious moral and educational standards in our modern north american society have done to us over the years now that we are about to be cooked we may have woken up too late erik velapold society as we have known it it coming apart at the seams the basic reason is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is no big deal kid s see hundreds on murderous acts on tv we can abort children on demand and kill the sick and old at will so why be surprised when some kids drop lbs rocks and kill people they don t care because the message they hear is life is cheap and the education system and the religious leaders aren t doing much about it either with both parents working in this society where is the stabilizing influence at home latchkey children are everywhere and these latchkey kids can watch whatever rotten videos and listen to whatever violent hate promoting music and videos they like because no one is home to stop it this day and age when there is about times more things to learn than when i went to school our answer to this increased knowledge is shorter school hours and more leisure time i say keep the kids in school longer feed them good food and teach them something and when they get home have a parent there to interact and monitor them there is a very old and now forgotten proverb a child left on his own will bring a parent to grief daycare systems are not the answer this is just shifting the parents own responsibilities off on someone else to whom it s not a life long committment but rather just a job at followups should go to alt parents teens fred w bach operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf tri university meson facility voice loc wesbrook mall ubc campus fax university of british columbia vancouver b c canada v t a these are my opinions which should only make you read think and question they do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers
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re warning please read in article neilson apr seoul mpr ca neilson seoul mpr ca robert neilson writes sorry for the auto content but that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent steve heracleous you do have the power steve you can do it why don t you why don t you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars make sure you do a good job though don t miss cause like they have big rocks and take it from me those kids are mean this last comment was obviously a bit cynical but a true statement of the attitude of some drivers there s your autos content i would say what law abiding not low abiding as above talk about freudian slips citizens have the right and responsibility to do is try to prevent this type of behaviour in children a doctor may have to use deadly force against a part of a body like amputating it when an infection disease has gone too far but his real desire would have been to prevent the disease in the first place or at least nip it in the bud followups should go to alt parents teens fred w bach operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf tri university meson facility voice loc wesbrook mall ubc campus fax university of british columbia vancouver b c canada v t a these are my opinions which should only make you read think and question they do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers
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re warning please read in article c joit e bcstec ca boeing com neil bcstec ca boeing com neil williams writes as long as we re on the subject several years ago myself and two others were riding in the front of a toyota pickup heading south on interstate north of seattle wa someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our windshield not by accident i m sure it was impossible to get up to the overpass quickly to see who did it we figured it was kids reported it and left a couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company he was in his mid fourties and left behind a wife and children turned out there was a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away they caught the year old that did it they put a cover over the overpass what else could they do i don t think i ll over forget this story neil williams boeing computer services bellevue wa neil what did they do to the year old who they caught what did the man s insurance company do this could be significant and in any case very interesting followups to alt parents teens fred w bach operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf tri university meson facility voice loc wesbrook mall ubc campus fax university of british columbia vancouver b c canada v t a these are my opinions which should only make you read think and question they do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers
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re manual shift bigots in article c o nh su news cso uiuc edu mchaffee dcl nxt michael t chaffee writes w r t performance converter lockup is purely irrelevant the lockup only occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve mpg mind you a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving mpg but the additional mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration vs locked converter clutch than its inherent losses take away the transmission in my car contradicts both your assertions i get much stronger acceleration if i let the convertor lockup which i can induce by briefly lifting off then quickly but not too quickly to trigger a kickdown applying throttle above rpms the convertor will never unlock it would kickdown first who says there s no skill involved in driving an automatic i think of it as the throttle and shifter combined into a single pedal with my car i can pretty much influence its shifting patterns with my right foot while having both hands to steer eliot
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bimmer vs beamer although not in direct response to the referenced article just to set the record straight beamers are bmw motorcycles bmw cars are bimmers please let s get our terms straight actually some purists would argue that the only true bimmer is a round tail light or mark
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re warning please read could we plase cease this discussion i fail to see why people feel the need to expound upon this issue for days and days on end these areas are not meant for this type of discussion if you feel the need to do such things please take your thought elsewhere thanks i want only two things from this world a plymouth and a small opec nation with which to fuel it this would be a good and just thing car smashers can just go home and sulk jacques brouillette manufacturing engineering
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insurance rates on performance cars summary i recently posted an article asking what kind of rates single male drivers under yrs old were paying on performance cars here s a summary of the replies i received i m not under anymore but is close enough dodge stealth rt twin turbo hp model no tickets no accidents own a house have taken defensive driving airbag abs security alarm single year decut state farm insurance this includes the additional for the umbrella policy over my car and house the base policy is the standard policy required in de after nd defensive driving course it will be less i bought the car in september the company i was with never had and accident or ticket in years quoted me hope this helps steve flynn university of delaware kevin hope i remembered your name correctly you asked about insurance for performance cars well last year i was in a similar situation before i bought my car and made the same inquiry as you age then and now car eagle talon tsi awd driving record clean state illinois cost mos i turn in may and the insurance goes down to mos also i m single and that incurs a higher rate with my company i ve got a couple other friends w awds and they pay more than i do different ins companies also so maybe i m just lucky hope the info helps dan dans jdc gss mot com motorola cellular subscriber group usa cc i m live in norman oklahoma drive an thunderbird sc have never made a claim against my insurance though i have been hit several times by negligent drivers who couldn t see stop signs or were fiddling with their radios and i have had three moving violations in the last months one for going in a one for failure to clear an intersection i still say the damn light was yellow and one for going in a which didn t go on my record my rates from state farm with a passive restraint deduction on liability deductible comprehensive and deductible collision are roughly year i was paying just over year for a escort lx james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i m not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder t bird sc it s a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all he s ever gonna have will munny unforgiven i am beyond the under age group but i have an experience a few years ago that might be interesting to you i owned a toyota celica gt i decided to buy myself a gift a more exotic car front runners included the toyota supra turbo and the porsche model years i narrowed it down to those two i liked the simplicity and handling and snob appeal too of driving a porsche the supra turbo was less money and had more features and performance almost a personal luxury car it had better acceleration and a higher top speed than the i was almost ready to give in to a buying impulse for the but i decided to stop by my insurance agent s office on the way i asked about what would happen to my rate with either car if you buy the supra your rate classification will be the same as the celica the celica was considered a subcompact and for that year was rated as one of the safest cars with a slight increase because the car will be years newer our lower risk division will continue to handle your account if you buy the porsche we ll have to change you to the standard higher rate company and your rate will double and if you go with a it s another story again we ll cover the rest of this year but cancel you after that but the supra is much faster than the and the is actually faster than the standard that doens t make sense that s what the book says we don t insure corvettes either for some reason the underwriters consider supras and their drivers as very traditional and conservative i eventually went with the supra for a number of reasons the porsche dealer had a nice salesman to get me interested but a tough high pressure guy in the back room at equal monthly payments it would have taken a year longer to pay for the porsche plus its higher insurance i concluded that the high insurance was related to probability of auto theft everyone s entitled to my opinion goldberg oasys dt navy mil imagination is more important than knowledge albert einstein i live in idaho when i was many years ago years i bought a trans am new insurance was about year when i turned it immediately dropped to year i had not had any accidents before or after this was strictly an age change that same rate stayed pretty much the same until i sold the car years ago my f pickup is about year less the real amazing thing is that when i woke up at age i felt so much more responsible than i was before wes for your information california male single under no moving violation alfa spider year what a bargain let s see i m single male clean driving record i have a vw corrado vr i live in san jose california i pay a year through allstate a good deal if you ask me i was thinking about getting a talon but i think the insurance is higher for a turbo sports car vs a v w honda crx si clean record in a small new mexico town was around per year age nearby city rates were x x higher than where i ve got mine insured robert robert stack institute of transportation studies univ of california irvine stack translab its uci edu mazda protege lx per year saturn sc years old state new mexico insurance state farm here is my info car toyota celica st insurance co farmer s insurance yearly insurance age date of license oct residence mountain view california no moving violations for now atleast hope this helps please post a summary if possible vijay vijay anisetti email anisetti informix com apt off single years old eagle talon turbo awd full cover reasonable liability no tickets no violations no accidents knock on wood mass one thing that makes a huge difference in mass is the town you live in i m personally in one of the best towns within reasonable distance of boston if i moved to the absolute best it would go down to about if i moved to the worst it would be also one accident and a couple of tickets would probably add another rv i have a mitsubishi eclipse turbo awd am years old and have no tickets that went on my record i live in illinois just outside of chicago and pay a year with full coverage at state farm i did get a small discount because of my alarm system a year i only live miles from chicago but if i actually lived in the city the price would be about a year i m over but in case you re interested anyway i m insuring a sho for month thats k personal k total k property with deductible glass and towing state farm unless you are under or have been driving for less than years i think you are being seriously ripped off i don t have one of the performance cars you listed but if your record is clean then you should not be paying over k did you try calling all the insurance dealers you could find although rates are supposed to be standardized i ve found that most places i initially call give me some ridiculously high quote and finaly i hit one that is much lower also i have changed insurance companies when the rate went up at renewal no accidents tickets car gets older to maintain a low rate you always have to be careful when it comes to insurance companies good luck serge
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header for honda civic si hello i am looking to slightly increase the performance of my honda civic si i was wondering if anyone could suggest upgrades that were not too drastic i thought that one of the easiest upgrades would be a new header does anyone know what kind of increase that the header would give me i think i would check with jackson racing for the part are there any other comparines would make honda parts are there any other small changes that can be easily made and won t screw up the car things like new injectors new fuel injection chip etc i would welcome any suggestions of small changes that would make a difference i don t really want to change the cam etc because i have heard that it would be much harder on the engine e mail relpies prefered please and i will post a summary of all the replies thanks for any help you may have to offer jeff smith jsmith cs dal ca dalhousie university halifax ns
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re impala ss going into production qazi csd csd uwm edu writes from the latest issue of autoweek the chevy impala ss will arrive in dealer showrooms in mid dealers have already been notified no word on the changes to be made for the production version my question to all of you is would you buy it and how much would you pay for it aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu why should i care i d rather watch drying paint aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu why should i care i d rather watch drying paint alright gm finally my wishes have come true moby dick with a corvette engine don t you think they should maybe spend the money doing something about the lousy build quality design of their bigger selling cars this is another example of why gm is in so much trouble if you re going to stick the lt or zr engine in a car at least make it a nice looking one sheesh
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re chrysler new yorker lhs was re chryslers compact lh sedans warren brown the washington post s auto writer was the first journalist to get his hands on the new yorker if you d like his impressions of it his review appeared in friday s paper in the weekend section he is not your traditional auto writer enjoy
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re bimmer vs beamer in article apr newsgate sps mot com markm latium mark monninger writes although not in direct response to the referenced article just to set the record straight beamers are bmw motorcycles bmw cars are bimmers please huh i though beamers were ibm employees let s get our terms straight actually some purists would argue that the only true bimmer is a round tail light or mark
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for sale celica repair manuals two volume soft cover repair manuals for all models of toyota celicas probably good for models as well like new condition these are the manuals used by the toyota dealers mechanics they normally cost over new obo brian donnell brian gothamcity jsc nasa gov
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mr parts does anyone know of a dead first generation mr i need body parts steering rack and a few minor pieces i was about to buy a parts car but the owner backed out after month of pulling my leg arrrrgh mike s
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improvements in automatic transmissions the biggest hurdle for automatics imho is not shifting speed per se but rather the transmission s reaction speed when you try to force it to shift manually this was the biggest fault with the subaru ecvt it took soooooo lonnnnnnnnggggg for the tranny to find the right ratio the sales propaganda says the saturn automatic is effectively an electronically shifted manual might this mean that saturn has conquered the problem i dunno only driven saturn speeds input please another question any plans for a manual trans chrysler lh does anyone else out there fall asleep at night dreaming of this combo
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slick any good chances are that this has been discussed to death already and if so could someone who has kept the discussion mail me or direct me to an archive site basically i am just wondering if slick really does all it says that it does and also is there any data to support the claim thanks for any info mike davis mad a fermi clas virginia edu
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re lois chevrolet the chevrolet brothers were respected racers test drivers for the buick co when durant was there when the directors kicked durant out of gm in he took chevrolet and others with him as mentioned before they founded the successful chevrolet company a little known fact is that the chevrolet co actually took over gm that was how durant got back in charge of gm legally his new company chevrolet co did the buying and gm was a division of chevrolet after and into the sloan era gm shuffled things so that the gm board was superior but there was always a degree of autonomy given the chevy division presumably because of the initial structure if you look at the organization chart for gm in sloan s book chevy division reports directly to th floor not through the passenger car division which covers buick olds cadillac and oakland pontiac jeff hagen minor deity of worthless auto trivia hagenjd ac wfu edu
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article w z b w w cellar org blu cellar org dan reed writes fact is i just leave the valet key in my glovebox for whenever i need it that will make it easy for a car thief saves him her the trouble of popping your ignition dick grady salem nh usa grady world std com so many newsgroups so little time
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