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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article c hqj unix amherst edu bhtulin unix amherst edu barak h tulin writes i just started reading this thread today so forgive me if it has already been mentioned but what was the deal with renault s putting the horn on the left hand turn signal stalk it was a button on the end where the washer button would be on the wiper washer stalk could the frenchies not figure out the wiring through the steering wheel or what ford tried that also back in my ranger pickup had the horn at the end of the turn signal stalk instead of in the center of the wheel where god intended it to be i drove two different cars then the other an camry and never did get used to pushing the turn signal stalk to blow the horn the only time i got it right was when i was getting the annual state required safety inspection not one of ford s better ideas dick grady salem nh usa grady world std com so many newsgroups so little time
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re where can i get a new york taxi wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes actually you want a checker special if you can find one good luck i m sorry i let mine go i grew up in new york city so i rode in many checker cabs the jump seats were fun as a kid although the cars were roomy a good trait for a taxi they had a design flaw that i don t understand they never fixed the rear passengers tended to fall out of their seats when the driver braked i wouldn t want to take a long ride in the back seat of one of these vehicles why did you like yours i never drove one so i have to ask tommy reingold at t bell labs holmdel nj tommy boole att com or att boole tommy
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re seating ergonomics headroom in article amiller almaden ibm com amiller almaden ibm com alex miller writes my physical therapist has suggested that a good driving position for me is to have my back nearly vertical and for my knees not to be much higher than my hips are there any cars that are particularly good in respect to having both headroom and a well designed seat height take a look at mini vans i sat in a dodge caravan which had a high seat and plenty of headroom dick grady salem nh usa grady world std com so many newsgroups so little time
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re improvements in automatic transmissions hagenjd wfu edu jeff hagen writes the biggest hurdle for automatics imho is not shifting speed per se but rather the transmission s reaction speed when you try to force it to shift manually i rented an oldsmobile achieva is that a yuppie name or what and a nissan stanza they both had automatics i m a manual transmission bigot but i have to admit that the transmissions on these cars were better shifters than i am and yes they responded very quickly to kickdown requests the nissan had a tachometer so i was able to figure out which gear i was in the olds may have also but i don t remember i believe it shifted all the way down to second at about mph when my foot told it no i really want to accelerate quickly i would still prefer a manual but i won t delude myself into thinking that i can out accelerate a modern automatic and i m very smooth at shifting but certainly not as good as an automatic tommy reingold at t bell labs holmdel nj tommy boole att com or att boole tommy
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zx or sc hi everyone i m getting a car in the near future i ve narrow it down to zx and sc which might be a better choice thanks for your opnion danny hey you programmers out there danny phornprapha please consider this ip lehigh edu bugs are another endangered earth lucc student konsultant species needing your protection work
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prizm s radio question i was lloking at the geo prizm lsi today very nice anyway i had a questions that the salesperson couldn t answer how does the theft deterrent on the prizm s audio systems work can t find the answer in any of geo s lterature thanks in advance archie holmes
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opinions on recent alfa spiders anyone have any opinions on fairly recent model alfa spiders reliablilty for what their class i m not talking alfa vs toyota corrola which is more relaible as far as i can discern in recent years there are levels with all basically the same mechanical aspects please email any responses ted schreiber mechanical enginering northwestern university tel fax email rts nwu edu
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re mazda just does not feel right the car might also need a front end alignment particularly if you re describing wandering
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re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam in article libemc byuvm bitnet libemc byuvm bitnet writes mark states in his post to know the dealer price and offer above my husband and i are in the market to buy our first car together and neither of us know how to go about it how do you find out the dealer price are their books to look in do you send away somewhere for it several company publish periodicals or times a year which list the sticker prices and the dealer invoice prices of all the cars and their options edmund s is the name of one such price guide you can find these price guides at most places which sell magazines dick grady salem nh usa grady world std com so many newsgroups so little time
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traffic rules at intersections i am presently doing a masters thesis to do with traffic intersections in new zealand but a lot of the books i am researching from are from america or australia and so i was wondering if anyone could please tell me what the road rules are in either country with regard to intersections thanks julian visch jsv math canterbury ac nz i
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eagle talon tsi lemon dear netters i am looking to buy a used eagle talon or tsi awd question is that the tsi awd was mentioned in the april consumer reports to a car to avoid in particular the manual transmission electrical system and brakes were below par in both models a friend of mine ownes a tsi awd and he has had brake jobs pads one stuck valve and some clutch transmission problem something about sticking grinding into second gear this doesn t seem too bad if one beats on his car i am willing to suffer reliability for speed and looks seems you have to pay big buck if you want all three anyway can anyone please let me know how you like your talon and any problems you may have had and if the repairs are worth it thanks for any responses jay
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re dumb options list in article apr acs ucalgary ca parr acs ucalgary ca charles parr writes the idea here is to list pointless options you know stuff you get on a car that has no earthly use power windows i like my power windows i think they re worth it however cruise control is a pretty dumb option what s the point if you re on a long trip you floor the gas and keep your eyes on the rear view mirror for cops right power seats are pretty dumb too unless you re unlucky enough to have to share your car otherwise you d just adjust it once and just leave it like that allen tom you re not like the others you like the same atom soda berkeley edu things i do wax paper boiled football atom netcom com leather dog breath we re not hitchhiking anymore we re riding ren
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re wife wants convertible if you hold off there are a number of interesting convertibles coming to market in the next few years the new lebaron will be based on the mitsubishi galant which should be an improvement over the current model the new pl compact will have a convertible option also a chrysler product kia makers of the ford festiva is planning a larger convertible steve morris m a internet smorris sumax seattleu edu addiction studies pgm uucp uw beaver uunet gtenmc dataio sumax smorris seattle university phone dept or direct seattle wa
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re improvements in automatic transmissions an excellent automatic can be found in the subaru legacy it switches to sport mode when the electronics figure it not when the driver sets the switch which is the proper way to do it imo so what does sport mode entail several things revving to red line or to the rev limiter in the case of the legacy delayed upshifts i e if you lift off briefly it will remain in the low gear this is handy if you are charging through corners and would like to do without the distraction of upshifts when there s another curve approaching part throttle downshifts based on the speed at which the pedal is depressed rather than the position of the pedal modern electronics can measure this very easily and switch to sport mode this is wonderful if you want to charge through a green light about to turn red my audi senses this very well and can downshift on as little as half throttle if my right foot is fast enough also i think that a smart automatic can deliver better gas mileage than a dumb driver with a stick all else being equal remember that the idea of a stick being more economical than an automatic makes a big assumption that the driver is smart enough to know what gear to use for each situation how many times have you ridden with an inattentive driver cruising on the highway at in th gear of a speed how many of people who drive manuals really know what the best gear to use is for every conceivable situation i m sure there will be some who know but i suspect that a chip controlled automatic with all possible scenario ratio combinations stored in rom is likely to do better i can also say that all my previous assumptions were proved wrong after i got a car with instantaneous mpg readout high gear low revs and wide open throttle is more economical than low gear high revs and small throttle opening the explanation is quite simple if one sits down to think about it but not that obvious at first sight eliot
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re taurus sable rotor recall we get about taurus sables for fleet cars at our site every year then the company sells them a year later to employees the folks i know who drive buy them have no complaints the cars seem to drive real nice too
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re manual shift bigots in rec autos you write if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission it can t be half bad this mclaren auto transmission i still think it s only half auto but you may be right has nothing to do with your gm chrysler volvo or whatever auto transmission it s a normal manual transmission gearbox with clutch and all but there are servo motors which do the shifting that means there is no power loss in the drivetrain if you take out minimal mechanical friction and the sami auto transmissions ferrari williams mclaren don t tell you when to shift either however these transmissions share an important disadvantage with your stock auto trannie they are expensive as long as these servo shifted gearboxes aren t available on normal cars i m gonna stick with my manual i just can t see an advantage to make up for two grand i lose in this deal and the loss in mileage and power except maybe in real heavy traffic but then i drive mostly on the autobahn and country roads anyway there s no point in making a religion out of this i just wanted to point out a few technical facts and my own opinion so there s no need for a flame war eliot have a safe ride chris
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re zx or sc ip ns cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha writes hi everyone i m getting a car in the near future i ve narrow it down to zx and sc which might be a better choice thanks for your opnion danny i ve been asking myself this same question for the past year so if when you find out would you please share the magistic answer with me the way i see it right now work twice as hard so you can have both cheers issa
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re rfi art of clutchless shifting jong halcyon com barking weasel writes schludermann sscvx ssc gov writes my technique is to ease back off the throttle and at the same time gently wrist back on the shift lever if for some reason i miss the shift window i lightly press the accelerator try agian i ve found that clutchless shifting is eaiser quicker at high rpms i also skip gears some times using sounds about right i usually slip it out during throttle down and then blip the throttle and wait until it feels like things are right usually about a second and then slip it into gear so how did you guys learn this is it something you were born with or did you make horrible grinding noises the first few times how many times i would think you d have to have a certain amount of feel for it to begin with some people would never get it and others like me would never have the guts to try it unless maybe you were planning to buy a new transmission anyway btw i ve heard that quite a few truckers and race car drivers shift this way zaphod madnix uucp ron bean uwvax astroatc nicmad madnix zaphod
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st time chrysler buyer off really hello world just bought a new stealth two weeks ago got a grad student rebate someone told me that there s another reabet for st time chrysler buyer true if yes can i still get it or am i too late mubashir cheema sparco communications ph lagalarie fax russell street suite email mac ra msstate edu starkville ms
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vw passat advice sought i am currently in the car market and would like opinions on a vw passat glx how does it compare to a toyota camry i thought the car looked very solid stable and european only disappointment so far is that that it doesn t offer an airbao my next question is why isn t vw offering automobiles with airbags should i pay the extra three thousand for a bmw is even though it is smaller and less powerful than than the passat
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re i m getting a car i need opinions in article apr ns cc lehigh edu ip ns cc lehigh edu danny phornprapha writes i have as my budget i m looking for a sports or gt car what do you think would be the best buy well for a bit more you could get an mazda rx definitely a best for under k you re stuck with in no particular order chevy camaro z lt ponitac firebird firehawk ford mustang cobra toyota mr turbo gmc typhoon travis
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re for hail damage a record i was in the great storm my mazda mpv was damaged so bad they are going to replace the top doors and hood it is black so they will repaint the entire vehicle estimated cost around and repair time approx to weeks rremaley bcm tmc edu
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re auto air conditioning without freon in article apr research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com chris behanna writes in article apr newsgate sps mot com rapw email sps mot com writes in article apr research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com chris behanna writes several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for r you don t hear about them because the mobile air conditioning society macs that is the people who stand to rake in that to per retrofit per automobile have mounted an organized campaign to squash those r substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether on very shaky technical grounds at best on outright lies at worst now i m not saying you re wrong because i know that the r substitutes exist but this sounds a lot like the mpg carbs that the oil companies keep us all from getting it sounds crazy but it s true one of the best r subsitutes ghg is currently a commercial product unfortunately the sae committee on mobile air conditioning is comprised almost exclusively of macs members such being the case no papers about any alternative refrigerant other than r a have been accepted for review publication yo john you want to provide some more details or should i just repost your voluminous repost later chris behanna dod h d fxwg wide glide jubilee s red lady behanna syl nj nec com cb t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec zx needs a name agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs we here are very interested in info on r substitutes in fact i think we really need all the info on this we can get i would really appreciate technical supply and hardware upgrade details also r is a useful solvent reagent in the extraction production of certain pharmaceuticals any info on the substitutes corresponding usefullness i am currently working with the local engineers who are making sure we are compliant with the regulations the trouble with regulations is that they only tell you what you are no longer permitted to do not what you should do instead i think the cause of the new regulations is the montreal protocol which has a definite cfc phase out schedule of course the cause of the montreal protocol was all the research done on the causes of the ozone depletion problem someone asked earlier about why the governments were working so fast to ban the ozone depleting cfc chemicals and not gasolines and other greenhouse gas producing compounds the greenhouse effect produced by infrared trapping gasses like co and methane and the ozone hole problem produced by long lived chlorine containing molecules are not the same thing it is a lot easier to do something about not using the cfc s chloro fluorocarbons than it is to stop producing co and methane which are natural byproducts of combustion and of living animal organisms planting more trees and not destroying so many existing trees would help the greenhouse gas problem but would do nothing for the ozone problem fred w bach operations group internet music erich triumf ca triumf tri university meson facility voice loc wesbrook mall ubc campus fax university of british columbia vancouver b c canada v t a these are my opinions which should only make you read think and question they do not necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers
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re open letter to nissan in qideqinnl sumax seattleu edu smorris sumax seattleu edu steven a morris writes hey nissan why aren t you guys making any station wagons you used to make a wagon on every platform sentra stanza maxima and now none at all in fact they make some but they just don t sell them here in u s sunny california is a l wagon based on sentra avenil is a l wd wd wagon it looks like infinity g but actually it s independently designed to be a wagon i mean it s not based on any sedans nissan had better consider to sell them here after buying my se r and really loving it i would like to buy another nissan product for my wife but prefer a wagon i ve owned minivans and don t prefer them how about an altima wagon or a sentra wagon would do sounds nice but i doubt they have a plan coz avenil was introduced to replace any sedan based wagon or here s an even better suggestion why don t you guys go ahead and buy the rest of fuji heavy industries subaru and put either an in line or v into the legacy wd wagon i d buy the legacy in a minute if it had a nissan engine instead of the horizontal that they seem sentimentally attached to with all the camry accord taurus volvo and subaru wagons out there it s got to be a market segment that would be worthwhile i can wait a year or two but if you don t have something to compete by the model i may have to go elsewhere thanks steve morris m a internet smorris sumax seattleu edu addiction studies pgm uucp uw beaver uunet gtenmc dataio sumax smorris seattle university phone dept or direct seattle wa
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re warning please read from article apr virginia edu by ejv j virginia edu erik velapoldi this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i don t recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors weren t holding out hope that she d live what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but pound rocks has our society really stooped this low erik velapold yes
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re warning please read in article apr cbnewse cb att com turbo cbnewse cb att com gerald l lindahl writes from article apr virginia edu by ejv j virginia edu erik velapoldi this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly about a year ago some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on i near eau claire wisconsin and it killed the driver below i believe he was a schoolteacher from minnesota jason hanson w wisconsin ave marquette university milwaukee wi ham radio n lea ae jason studsys mscs mu edu n lea n ary nocal ca usa na
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re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam mark monninger markm bigfoot sps mot com wrote while not exactly a service incident i had a similar experience recently when i bought a new truck i had picked out the vehicle i wanted and after a little haggling we agreed on a price i wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax and license and told them i d be back that evening to pick up the truck when i returned i had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could get to me when i finally got in there everything went smoothly until he started adding up the numbers he then discovered that they had miscalculated the tax license by about he then said he needed another from me i said we had already agreed on a price and it was their problem i wasn t giving them any more money the finance guy then a similar thing happend to me a year ago i bought a used ford bronco which has since been stolen and few weeks after i paid and took delivery they sent a letter telling me they goofed and miscalculated the license renewal by and that i need to send in a check to avoid further delay in the processing of my registration the thing is i had already received the pink slip from the dmv so i ignored it i received another letter and then the phone calls started coming first from the finance guy and then from the general manager both hounding me for the extra money they left me alone once i told them i already had the paperwork and pointed out the clause in the contract that stated that the final price was just that final afterall they wouldn t budge if i had told them i wanted another off after the deal had been signed right i told them not to call again and that i would not do business with them in the future they didn t seem to have a problem with that this after all was a used ford at a toyota dealership i had a much better experience buying a new pathfinder about a month ago it certainly pays to buy a car on the last sunday of the month it was even raining too so they had done very little business that weekend and were really willing to deal i kept telling them i would think about it and they kept dropping the price got a very good deal and so far have been very please with the service john jdenune pandora sdsu edu
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seeking good alfa romeo mechanic i am looking for recommendations for a good great alfa romeo mechanic in south jersey or philadelphia or nearby i have a alfa spider that needs some engine tranny steering work done the body is in quite good shape the car is awful in cold weather won t start if below freezing i know i know why drive a spider if there s snow on the ground it has bosch mechanical fuel injection that i am sure needs adjustment any opinions are welcome on what to look for or who to call email or post to rec autos i will summarize if people want thx andy brandt cs unc edu
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re changing oil by self in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu sorlin magnus acs ohio state edu steven j orlin writes i take the electrodes of the amp ohm volt meter whatever and connect one to each earlobe then symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the spark plug boots no cheating guys both hands must be used i have just a couple of questions about this technique first what firing order should i use do i start with my pointer finger or my pinky left hand or right and secondly i have a cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted for any suggestions andy
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re do trains have radar in article apr usho hou chevron com hhtra usho hou chevron com t m haddock writes while taking an extended easter vacation i was going north on i somewhere between centerville tx and dallas tx and i came upon a train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over the northbound lanes there appeared to be movement within the cab and out of curiosity i slowed to to get a better look just as i passed from underneath the trestle my radar detector went into full alert all lights lit and all chirps beeps and buzzes going strong i thought i had been nailed good but no police materialized could this have been caused by the train s radio or what travis boy travis were you lucky you went under the new texas rangers stealth patrol car good thing you slowed down newsgroups rec autos distribution world references apr usho hou chevron com from dje bmw nosubdomain nodomain don eilenberger organization subject re do trains have radar keywords
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honda accord brake problem my honda accord just hit the magic mile mark and now all sorts of things are beginning to go bad the latest problem i am experiencing is with my brakes they still stop the car fine but once i am stopped completely my brake pedal will sink another or inches all by itself if feels really strange and i am worried my brakes will quit working one of these days i checked my brake fluid and the reservoir was full but the fluid itself looked really dirty like dirty oil i called my mechanic and he told me i need a new brake master cylinder which will cost me a whopping i was just wondering if anyone out there has experienced this sort of thing if so is my mechanic being honest or do i simply need to have my brakes bled and new fluid put in any help you could provide would be appreciated please send replies directly to me as i rarely have a chance to read this list i will post the responses if there is any interest thanks joni ciarlett mizar usc edu
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cleaning eurowiper boots i have the eurowiper boots in white and had to throw away the first pair since i found no way of cleaning them after they looked almost black now i have my second pair of white ones and once again they are dirty i need a way to clean them w o removing them since i had to cut them to remove them is there a way or should i just buy black ones thanks joel joel sprechman sprec j acsu buffalo edu university at buffalo v pff ubvms cc buffalo edu it s not a black white thing it s a homosapian thing it takes a big man to cry and an even bigger man to laugh at that man jack handy
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re open letter to nissan really station wagon with the popularity of minivans the market room for station wagons is squeezed out they are not as comfortable as sedan and don t carry as much as the minivans this is not to say nobody wants the wagon anymore but the demand is certainly hampered by the minivan and may not be economical to build a product for jason chen a station wagon owner
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re old corvettes low insurance in article c j mi fmi news rich bnr ca peon w o email eric youngblood writes in article apr ns cc lehigh edu swr ns cc lehigh edu scott warren rosander writes in article c csux fn news cso uiuc edu gdhg uxa cso uiuc edu george hei nz writes after too many years of school i m finally graduating and getting a real job of course i am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra money right now i have an accord a good car but not real sporty i was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around k on a sports car of some kind after thinking about it i may have a better idea i ll keep the accord until it drops and buy the car i ve always wanted a corvette stingray my reasoning is that accord corvette is less than what i would spend anyway basically i m thinking of a late s early s for around k my question is what are good years to consider for reliability looks horsepower in that order believe it or not horsepower is not a main concern if i want to go fast i get on my motorcycle and what are good prices also what would insurance look like i m male single i might wait until i m to get the car lower insurance would the fact that i mainly drive the other car lower it is there some type of classic car or rarely driven insurance class for driving it under k miles per year my dad has a vette and its on what you say classic insurance basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving time which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would probably suit your needs for limited mileage in my area denver if you look around alittle you can get an for or less not much less you said your not looking to go fast they are a really nice car just not real powerful in addition to restricted mileage many classic insurance carriers also require that the vehicle be garaged when not in use ericy eric youngblood bell northern research richardson texas peon w o email privs
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re sho clutch question grinding noise in article c h f ldu news rich bnr ca jcyuhn crchh nosubdomain nodomain james yuhn writes that s not the clutch you re hearing its the gearbox early shos have a lot of what is referred to as gear rollover noise you can generally i have one of the first shos built and mine doesn t make this noise
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re too fast in article qh m b l armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes it s a bit hard to prove a point like this but i can compare the i was hoping for something like the chassis exhibits x degrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than y units forces of more than y units begin to manifest at z miles per hour not well gee it wasn t designed to go fast because uhh well gee it wasn t designed to go fast it s not a porsche you know come with better seatbelts more supportive seats a stronger passenger compartment cage better brakes a stiffer suspension different tires and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground what do they come with well as compared to the normal taurus the sho comes with more supportive seats better brakes a stiffer suspension different tires and a body design that takes advantage of aero effects to keep the car on the ground or at least i think that s what all that boy racer plastic is for you re kidding yourself if you think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to withstand mph impacts compare either to the porsche and you tell me which was designed oh right only dollar cars should be driven fast they drive goddamn rabbits at mph in europe pal and i reckon a taurus is at least as capable as a rabbit certainly haven t convinced me of course not speeding is bad speeding is illegal i will not speed i love big brother you had your mind made up already it s interesting that lots of the roads out west had no speed limits until wr
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re too fast in article apr magnus acs ohio state edu jnielsen magnus acs ohio state edu john f nielsen writes there may be a case where a speed limit sign is not necessary but take them away entirely yeah you re right doing away with speed limits would just mean huge tax increases as municipalities tried to make up for the revenue they used to gouge from passing motorists
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re too fast in article shaman wv tek com andrew frip wv tek com writes so is cocaine what s your point that neither is harmful when used carefully
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re too fast wrat unisql uucp wharfie writes compare either to the porsche and you tell me which was designed oh right only dollar cars should be driven fast they drive goddamn rabbits at mph in europe pal and i reckon a taurus is at least as capable as a rabbit my whole point was not to say that the cars couldn t go that fast but that they shouldn t go that fast a family sedan designed to be operable at mph doesn t suddenly become operable at mph because you added some plastic aero effects slightly wider tires and a much larger engine that s what the sho is a slightly modified family sedan with a powerful engine they didn t even bother improving the brakes the mustang is essentially the same deal as the sho a big power plant stuck in a mid size sedan with almost no other modifications i have real life experience with the mustang it handles like a brick except when you re invoking oversteer of course something i personally avoid doing on the highway and stopping power is inadequate even from mph lots of accelleration but the rest of the car is not up to par i picked the porsche example because they are designed with speed in mind it didn t have to be the it could have been the much cheaper or one of several mercedes or audi models all of these cars are fairly expensive but so are the parts that make them drivable at high speed this should be elementary there are a few things to keep in mind about europe since you brought it up my autobahn knowledge is admittedly second hand but i believe the following to be true drivers are much better disciplined in europe than they are here the roads comprising the autobahn are much better designed than they are here and usually include animal fences this makes them far more predictable than most us highways not all of europe is the autobahn most places in europe have speed limits that aren t out of line with what we used to have in the us if my friends weren t lying to me they re typically not much higher than km h i strongly suspect you won t find a lot of rabbit owners doing mph nearly km h on the autobahn but i could be wrong some people have no respect for their own lives you certainly haven t convinced me of course not speeding is bad speeding is illegal i will not speed i love big brother you had your mind made up already if you think so you sure don t pay attention to my postings jim frost jimf centerline com
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re cherokee v explorer jcksnste acf nyu edu writes hi all brand new to the group so please no flames honest opinions on jeep cherokee country not sport v ford explorer my stepfather who ponders every major decision up to four months after making it is looking at one of the two also please comment on the importance if any between wd and wd we live in princeton nj and will barely ever take it off road we learned with this last winter that we could really use something with a little more confidence in inches of snow than an olds cutlass eighty eight all replies appreciated he ll be pondering this for a while he s already decided on cyl over so don t worry about that one thanks steve i own a new ford explorer i really love it i drove the jeep and besides the power i just didn t see spending the money for it the jeep was great but i just love the explorer i have a wd and i got through the blizzard of just fine i drove about miles in the worst part of storm and it never faulterd my own opinion doug i jcksnste acf nyu edu
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re ranger vs s opinions if your buying a compact pickup do yourself a favor and wait a few months for the gmc sonoma magazines are saying it is day and night over the current truck it s georgeous solid and fast hp vortec v should whip the ranger in every area too accept maybe payload and always pick a gmc over a chevy gmc s are always so much better looking man i miss the comanche marty and matt owings ninja type rider dudes it s a feeling that we all wanna know and it s an obsession to some to keep the world in you rearview mirror while you try to run down the sun wheels by rhestless heart
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lh workmanship i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid really nice i must say very attractive styling lots of features and room at a competitive price unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing the groove against the tongue on the door frame surely it would come off easily i am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering assembly problems that will show up later i may still consider buying it but only when it establishes a good track record jason chen
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re changing oil by self in article apr porthos cc bellcore com dje bmw nosubdomain nodomain don eilenberger writes in article qgi einnhs skeena ucs ubc ca yiklam unixg ubc ca yik chong lam writes hello does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine compartment should i turn clockwise or counter i tried any kind of lubricants wd etc but i still failed do you think i can use a electric drill change to a suitable bit to turn it out if i can succeed can i re tighten it not too tight is it safe without oil leak thank you very much in advance winson i would suggest you take the car to the nearest chevron dealer with your own oil and filter ask for an oil change it will cost less than watch him her do it just from watching someone do a job you will be able to learn and remember the sequence and do it right when you do it yourself the next time besides when he she loosens the drain nut the next time around it will be easier for you if it is stuck use an impact wrench not too much force though use a new washer each time you put the nut back s ssave ole cdac com
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pontiac e mail car clubs i am interested to know if there is any pontiac e mail car clubs out there has anyone started one or is anybody thinking about starting one thanks for any info you can give me maloney badlands nodak edu
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re ultimate awd vehicles in article apr engr washington edu eliot lanmola engr washington edu eliot writes in article q huinnjrv uwm edu qazi csd csd uwm edu writes subarus don t sell that well although the percentage of subes purchased with awd is probably relatively high of all subarus sold are wd awd audi is backing down on the number of models it offers with awd before one could purchase an or with awd but now it is reserved strictly for the top line model the same goes for the the q has been eliminated from the us lineup but the is still available in quattro version though it is hardly cheap they are still true to their pledge of making wd an option on their entire line of cars now if only they will bring in the s wagon eliot before the s became the s it was called the turbo quattro v this model did come in a wagon a very quick wagon very rare also mike sylvester umass
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re warning please read sorry for the auto content but that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent steve heracleous you do have the power steve you can do it why don t you why don t you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars make sure you do a good job though don t miss cause like they have big rocks and take it from me those kids are mean
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re changing oil by self in article apr progress com damelio progress com stephen d amelio writes bmoss grinch sim es com brent woody moss writes you could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby within a foot or two anyway close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil though you have to refill the engine with oil wow no wonder i can t get an engine to last more than my first oil change don t forget to punch holes in the radiator too it will spray nice refreshing water on the engine and keep it nice cool steve gee you really make me confused what is radiator where is it located what does it look like will it release any radiation since it sounds like radia tion genera tor when you punch holes hanguyen
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re instead of a saturn sc what one thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the sc vs the japanese cars is the saturns no dicker sticker this makes the saturn s price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the japanese competition on paper but in reality one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the japanese cars admittedly though here in canada at least the sc is in the same price class as the civic si not the sc steve hui
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re instead of a saturn sc what for those that are interested i got my fully optioned air abs sunroof se r in september for in sacramento ca it was one of the st s sold few of the dealers had any no local dealer had an abs equipped se r i went straight to the fleet manager at the dealership i liked told him what i wanted made him aware that i knew what his price should be he called me back with exactly what i wanted from a dealer mi away i took delivery the next day
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re lh workmanship in article apr walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid really nice i must say very attractive styling lots of features and room at a competitive price unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing the groove against the tongue on the door frame surely it would come off easily lack of build quality was the thing i notced on the first lh s i saw months back the panel gaps were large and non uniform between the cars i saw the kind of thing you expect and accept on a mustang but not from chrysler s savior i drove one of the low end cars and thought it was more than adequate i d prefer an lh to a taurus from my brief experience craig i am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering assembly problems that will show up later i may still consider buying it but only when it establishes a good track record jason chen
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re too fast in article bob cos bob cos com bob blackshaw writes in apr cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article qg v ju umcc umcc umich edu mhartman umcc umcc umich edu mark hartman writes driving in a straight line is fine you very soon become aclimated to it it s only a rush when there are corners that you don t think you can make on a clear autobahn is nothing in the u s of people and all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade people otherwise sure but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better the quality of autobahns is something of a myth the road surface isn t much different to a typical tx freeway they are better in terms of lighting safety signs roadmarkings etc i d have no problem driving on most us freeways as it is i save it for the backroads which really are more likely to be dangerous than most of the roads here a dip in the asphalt that you test your shocks on at will kill you at don t get me wrong i love to it would have to be quite severe i don t recall any us freeway without road damage warnings that i would regard as unsafe at in any decent well damped car note that my definition of decent well damped would exclude most typical american sedans drive quickly and they say my probe will do but that s more than i ve ever tried in it cause there isn t a decent enough piece of road hereabouts i don t know where you live but i would be much more worried about cops other traffic etc than the road surface at it just isn t that fast or that dangerous if you have a probe gt no problem the cyl models i have driven would be likely to be unpredictable at higher speeds craig craig mark hartman mhartman umcc umcc umich edu kalamazoo mi bk cleveland freenet edu i m naked in the school sleepyhead bob
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article c jnk jkt news cso uiuc edu cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes wasn t the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver so he could see where he was backing up although reverse lights on the sides no reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up they aren t bright enough to typically see by without the brake and tail lights are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the path of the car i don t think warnings were their original intents since they are colored white well red and orange were already taken maybe white defines the direction that the car is moving in if you really want to be able to see behind you get some fog lamps for the back of the car these work very well and are a good way to get rid of tailgaters if you get that rush of testosterone craig chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand
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re warning please read i deleted your name because i don t want to sound accusative in my remark this is a two sided problem unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time the breeding of these low life s is getting worse our justice system is at best extremely weak to handle these problems that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent my camaro my pride and joy got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back the persons that did that were eventually caught lucky for me but not before having trashed the car on another occasion on my way from texas to florida i had stopped in a small motel for the night in a small town somewhere in florida about youths were disturbing my car setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out when i and another tenant walked out with a magnum and a automatic respectively they vanished needless to say i immediately packed up and left watch out for car jacking and staged accidents they can be deadly i m not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons but i would ask you if you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your alarm i can think of worse things in the world glad you got out of there before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun we can all ask what s happening to society these days but don t forget to ask another important question too what effort am i expending to make it any different than it is just my thoughts joe karolchik
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re braindead drivers who don t look ahead in apr ctp com bpita ctp com bob pitas writes in article zdem a hgo zdem a hgo hou amoco com donna martz writes stuff deleted excuse me but i understood what mr smith meant and i have often observed when traffic is blocked solid that if a few people yeild to the moron who is impatiently riding bumpers the slug at the front of the pack will miraculously wake up change lanes and viola no more jam granted the situation here does not apply to rush hour in a crowded city but i have observed this situation regularly on your average interstate six or eight sets of cars side by side bunched up in a pack with open freeway fore and aft as far as you can see the people who refuse to yeild as a point of honor are just as annoying as the slug in the front i agree that if traffic is all blocked up and you want to pass you might not feel like moving over for someone behind you because you don t want to give them that one car length when they should just wait like you are but if you re one of those people that just sit s behind the person and doesn t flash them with the high beams or pull left and flash them or ride their bumper or otherwise tell them that you do in fact want to go by and you re not just drafting them then get the hell out of the way of someone who will i especially hate it when you flash someone at the back of a line and they don t pass it on so after i ve flashed my lights at the chap in front and he doesn t pass it on and few if any do what next on major highways or more lanes in each direction keeping to the extreme right blocks folks who are entering also as someone posted in this thread here in the d c area we have a few left lane exits sounds like if you wait until the last minute to get in the left lane you won t cause these yoyos won t make room we have a particularly bad strech here in merryland just over the cabin john bridge there are two very long entry ramps which all the hurry up yahoos dive into cause they want to get ahead when we get to the point where these ramps merge all hell breaks lose the result is that traffic which was moving at on the va side of the bridge stalls on t other side if these dingbats had stayed in lane allowed the folks coming up the two ramps to merge we would still be doing instead we do start stop for miles dave barry s idea of a laser equipped car would be real useful here bob ps if you drive the beltway and want to merge look for a brown probe with a silver haired driver then use your signals i don t read minds but i do try to be courteous they told me courtesy was contagious but i guess the folks around here have had their shots
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re warning please read in article c jgc ajj dove nist gov keys starchild ncsl nist gov lawrence b keys writes i know that this isn t the group for it but since you brought it up does anyone have any idea why they haven t bombed the waco cult perhaps it is because witnesses who have left the compound have all testified that the batf shot first they they did not identify themselves before tossing in concussion grenades not that anyone inside could have heard such identification after being near a concussion grenade and the announcement from the batf that they have sealed the warrant under which they were operating which was a search warrant by the way not an arrest warrant in short perhaps because the batf is wildly out of control and perhaps calmer heads have realized that bombing a compound full of woman and children will not improve their position there is a real chance that koresh will be able to prove self defense in court that will leave what four officers dead and no one to blame but the batf followups directed to alt activism where the discussion has raged nearly as long as the seige and which shows every sign of not giving up nearly as soon larry smith smith ctron com no i don t speak for cabletron need you ask liberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want it is the freedom to do whatever we are able
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re electronic odometers was used bmw question in article dirac physics purdue edu lovall bohr physics purdue edu daniel l lovall writes it shouldn t be that hard if you know much about digital electronics if the counter is made with standard ttl chips all you should need to do is find the chip s used for counting figure out what mileage you want to put in and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low high you d also have to know what the conventions are for low and high it might be a little more involved than this but it shouldn t be beyond someone with a bsee or bs eet all the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using a translation table stored in rom nobody is using discrete ic s to do these functions anymore if at all i doubt any of the motor electronics had any to start with much less ttl i can almost guarantee that it ll a fruitless attempt to figure out how bmw does it without breaking anything and invalidating any warranty on the car if you re lucky you d still be able to start the car
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re warning please read tobias convex com allen tobias writes in article apr virginia edu ejv j virginia edu erik velapoldi writes this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck in the head by one of the larger rocks i don t recall if she made it but i think she was comatose for a month or so and doctors weren t holding out hope that she d live the girl s ok actually and she recovered well enough to go home i don t know if she has any permanent damage though just in case anybody was concerned what the hell is happening to this great country of ours i can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such but pound rocks has our society really stooped this low erik velapold if people start forcing others to take responsibility for their actions things like this wouldn t happen untill we stop blaming outside causes and start blaming the criminals we will continue to let things like this happen chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand
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viper last night i had a dream that my dad bought a viper i took it out for a test drive without his knowledge and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket wierd dream i wonder what it means roy
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re warning please read in article neilson apr seoul mpr ca neilson seoul mpr ca robert neilson writes sorry for the auto content but that is why low abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is imminent steve heracleous you do have the power steve you can do it why don t you why don t you go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars make sure you do a good job though don t miss cause like they have big rocks and take it from me those kids are mean as a stong self defense advocate you re statement does littel but irk me of course shooting someone because they throw a rock at your car is out of the question but what if they disabled your car with their rock and then wanted to come kill rape rob beat or otherwise harm you your wife kids i think you would like the power to defend yourself in this situation wouldn t you or is it that you value the lives of such rock throwers more than your own or those of your family don t think it couldn t happen to you from the sounds of it here it has happened to a few people please do not misunderstand the only justification for using deadly force on someone is that if you don t it will mean your own death or grave bodily harm i am far far away from supporting vilante justice or anything like that oh and if you mean to be funny please add the appropriate followups to talk politics guns please we re getting a bit off track here steve syck syck miller cs uwm edu
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re warning please read and in san francisco recently some of our finest examples of humanity poured oil over a road so that vehicles going uphill would suddnely become immobile and then they would walk right up to the vehicles and make their demands known mark barnes system engineer insert standard disclaimers here sunsoft corporate technical escalations i speak for myself an individual menlo park ca usa not for the company for which i work barnesm vavau corp sun com
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re auto air conditioning without freon in article apr ns cc lehigh edu amh ns cc lehigh edu alois m himsl writes yes i have the same questions what makes me upset is that r costs are skyrocketing and in fact can t be bought anymore in my area also this is yet another way mechanics and dealers can rip off customers also i was reading that the new refrigerant is not compatible with the r system and that it would cost upto a to retrofit a car with the old r system although it is important to consider the environment i think the sudden ban is a slap in the face for the consumer why is it that the consumer should have to pay for the retrofit the auto companies should have seen this coming also why is it that the governments of the world were so quick in banning freon use and yet so slow in banning gasoline in my opinion gasoline is just as hazardous as anything else why can t they start proposing bans on this and switch to natural gas or electric the technology is there hopefully some chemist will come up with another alternative coolant that will be compatible with the old system al h several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for r you don t hear about them because the mobile air conditioning society macs that is the people who stand to rake in that to per retrofit per automobile have mounted an organized campaign to squash those r substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether on very shaky technical grounds at best on outright lies at worst does this piss you off yes write a letter to your congressman to your senator to the president to the epa and to the dot and complain later chris behanna dod h d fxwg wide glide jubilee s red lady behanna syl nj nec com cb t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec zx needs a name agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs
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re carb cleaners do they work performance carb rebuild in article apr slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article c fyt jby cpsc ucalgary ca schaffer cpsc ucalgary ca doug schaffer writes how hard is a carb rebuild for moderately experienced backyard mechanic i ve done my clutch and miscellaneous little engine fixes the hardest part is usually getting the darned thing off the intake manifold rebuilding a carb is fun if you re into things with lots of little parts i used to rebuild them for all my friends cars in high school so it doesn t take a phd buy a carb rebuilding kit from an auto supply store buy a gallon of the best carb cleaning solvent you can find do they still make tyme as a rule of thumb buy the one with the scariest warning labels put it into a metal bucket make yourself a dipping can by punching holes in the bottom of a coffee can and attaching a wire handle to it if the carb cleaner doesn t strip the paint right off the coffee can you re not using the right stuff use the can to soak the little stuff and just hang the big parts from a coat hanger wash them off with a garden hose wipe off excess water with paper towels and air dry then remember where all the little parts go follow the rebuild kit s instructions concerning float height choke tension etc bolt it back on the engine and admire the super clean carb on the filthy engine heed this man s warnings if you get carb cleaner this strong on your hands your hands will be eaten away not pretty hence the dipping can method later chris behanna dod h d fxwg wide glide jubilee s red lady behanna syl nj nec com cb t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec zx needs a name agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs
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re changing oil by self why crawl under the car at all i have a machine i got for my boat that pulls the oil out under suction through the dip stick tube it does an excellent job and by moving the suction tube around you can get more old oil out than by using the drain plug i think i paid at e b marine the oil goes into a steel gal can wait until it cools and decant into your favorite device i use soft drink bottles easy to take them down to the local oil recycle center forza
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re electronic odometers was used bmw question in article dirac physics purdue edu lovall bohr physics purdue edu daniel l lovall writes in article conradie firga sun ac za conradie firga sun ac za gerrit conradie writes however if i were to design a bmw s electronics i will use a counter to count the number of times the car passed million miles or whatever and store it in the car computer s memory this could be read when doing a diagnostics test ditto for the date of the odometer as easy as this is i don t know why manafucturers don t do it don t they to prevent illegal odometer tampering but as a previous writer said it will in any case take aeons to reset an odometer mechanic or electronic by simulating a driving car it will be easier to reprogram it how i don t know it shouldn t be that hard if you know much about digital electronics if the counter is made with standard ttl chips all you should need to do is find the chip s used for counting figure out what mileage you want to put in and preset it but wiring the preset pins directly to low high you d also have to know what the conventions are for low and high it might be a little more involved than this but it shouldn t be beyond someone with a bsee or bs eet all the display does is convert what the counter chips say into digits using a translation table stored in rom selah dan but those chips are probably inside a custom chip to make it smaller and use less power and the preset data pins are not going to be available it would probably not be ttl but might be cmos wider operating voltage range not that the tecnology would make much difference plus the custom chip would probably be potted encapsulated with epoxy good luck garyl any shark that gets to be or feet long with big teeth can be considered dangerous shark bowl
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re jeep wrangler opini in article qht einnjdf hp col col hp com tvervaek col hp com tom vervaeke writes i have had two wranglers and still have the second right now it s a wrangler base model with the big i l engine hard top no power steering or air conditioning runs like a top has about k on it has never been in the shop i can change my own oil nice tall vehicle i can lube it myself fittings i occasionally take it to jiffy lube to check the differentials and do the oil change there my previous wrangler had nary a problem either here in colorado there more jeeps than bmw s mercedes volvos and the like together in fact jeep has been called the colorado car for a while they hold their value well and are very easy to resell mine cost right around k new of course i didn t blow money on an islander sahara or renegade which i have a wrangler sahara and paid new including the rebate are just wranglers with fancy inside stuff after driving a cj for years that fancy stuff is pretty nice the cars are primitive ride like a dump truck etc but if you live in an area that gets around of snow per winter you d have one too they ll go anywhere with a winch and are easy to get parts for the i like my wrangler but when doing some serious off roading it can t keep up with a cj because of ground clearance and limited suspension travel i do have a winch and would like to get an arb air locker in the future l engine puts out hp and gets around mpg not bad i love the just my experience i m sure there are bad ones out there but that goes for any make and model don graham
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re too fast in article qkon re armory centerline com jimf centerline com jim frost writes stuff about autobahn and safety of sho at speed deleted the mustang is essentially the same deal as the sho a big power the mustang is a much worse case of design irresponsibility than the sho plant stuck in a mid size sedan with almost no other modifications i have real life experience with the mustang it handles like a brick except when you re invoking oversteer of course something i its hard to predicatbaly drift a stock mustang because of the suspension personally avoid doing on the highway and stopping power is inadequate even from mph lots of accelleration but the rest of the car is not up to par yes when i think mustang i think school bus f motor in my mind the mustang should be fitted with a speed limiter at or so it just isn t safe check out your local junkyard mustangs outnumber other cars by a proportion way in excess of sales in junkyards i find it astonishing the cu or somesuchlike has not jumped on the mustang for poor brakes in relation to power ford should at least standardize on the svo rear brakes for all s i picked the porsche example because they are designed with speed in mind it didn t have to be the it could have been the much cheaper or one of several mercedes or audi models all of these cars are fairly expensive but so are the parts that make them drivable at high speed this should be elementary there are a few things to keep in mind about europe since you brought it up my autobahn knowledge is admittedly second hand but i believe the following to be true drivers are much better disciplined in europe than they are here true of northern europe latin countries are something else the roads comprising the autobahn are much better designed than kindof true remember they were build by adolf in the s they are here and usually include animal fences this makes them far more predictable than most us highways yes not all of europe is the autobahn most places in europe have autobahn is the german word for freeway other countries have different names for loose equivalents autostrada autoroute motorway etc speed limits that aren t out of line with what we used to have in the us if my friends weren t lying to me they re typically not much higher than km h europe did seem on the brink of a kmh limit it hasn t passed as far as i know typical speeds in western europe are much higher than the us law enforcement is negligible in my experience comapred to the us as there is no revenue enhancement motivation the things you really notice are the higher speed differentials and the more professional attitude to driving you just never see two cars running parallel at mph oblivious to all around them i strongly suspect you won t find a lot of rabbit owners doing mph nearly km h on the autobahn but i could be wrong some people you re wrong gti s go this fast just kind of noisy not the ideal autobahn car a lot of times you see cars being driven with the drivers foot on the floor how do i know when you re not making any ground on the identical car in front of you have no respect for their own lives if something happens at you re dead but the same goes for much over driving at high speed forces you to concentrate i feel much safer driving on the autobahn than in typical us traffic because most people seem to be awake i ve never seen any driver reading a book on an autobahn i see it all too often in the us craig it just doesn t seem fast after minutes or so of aclimation everybody drives that fast no big deal craig you certainly haven t convinced me of course not speeding is bad speeding is illegal i will not speed i love big brother you had your mind made up already if you think so you sure don t pay attention to my postings jim frost jimf centerline com
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re instead of a saturn sc what in ifn spo iv a nz andrew cmu edu jr q andrew cmu edu jason m roth writes r t had an article on cars of the sc ilk and they liked the civic ex the escort gt and the mx best of all and the sc was way down the list except for braking i just looked at that article first of all this summary is inaccurate of cars the sc was th right behind these mentioned and the suzuki swift as has been pointed out it was a semi silly comparison the saturn was at least cheaper than the mx and escort admittedly negligible but an issue and less than the honda the stated goal was a base under k the honda was over while the sc at the same price was excluded in other words they let the best honda play but not the best saturn note that the saturn did beat the k i dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest assured that the street prices for the mx and escort and maybe even the honda will be lesser than that of the saturn you re talking about all price comparisons i ve seen are based on msrp and of course the saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others will do it way below sticker srihari
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re warning please read larose austin cs utk edu brian larose writes this just a warning to everybody on the net watch out for folks standing next to the road or on overpasses they can cause serious harm to you and your car just a cliff notes version of my story follows pm last night i was travelling on the interstate here in knoxville i was taking an offramp exit to another interstate and my wife suddenly screamed and something large hit the side of my truck we slowed down but after looking back to see the vandals standing there we drove on to the police station she did get a good look at the guy and saw him cock his arm with something the size of a cinderblock but i never saw him we are very lucky the truck sits up high on the road if it would have hit her window it would have killed her the police are looking for the guy but in all likelyhood he is gone i am a very good driver knock on wood but it was night time and i never saw the guy the police said they thought the motive was to hit the car have us stop to check out the damage and then jump us and take the truck please be aware of folks and for your own good please don t stop peace brian larose larose cs utk edu essary rd knoxville tn as long as we re on the subject several years ago myself and two others were riding in the front of a toyota pickup heading south on interstate north of seattle wa someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our windshield not by accident i m sure it was impossible to get up to the overpass quickly to see who did it we figured it was kids reported it and left a couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company he was in his mid fourties and left behind a wife and children turned out there was a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away they caught the year old that did it they put a cover over the overpass what else could they do i don t think i ll over forget this story neil williams boeing computer services bellevue wa
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subaru svx good deal hi netters my friend is seriously thinking of getting the subaru svx there is a local dealer here in seattle selling them for with touring package that s off from msrp he thinks it s a very good deal and i think so too since he knows i have access to the net he would like to get anyone s opinion about this car especially in the area of reliability and maintenanability please send e mail to me as my friend doesn t have access to the net my opinion about this car is you get a lot for auto everything tranny climate control windows locks folddow rear seet full wheel drive fast top spped heavy lb thanks in advacne tom locke work boeing computer services e mail toml voodoo boeing com p o box m s k or uunet bcstec voodoo toml seattle wa
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re open letter to nissan really station wagon this week s autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue i wouldn t mind an audi s wagon great stealth value but you ll never catch me dead in a minivan eliot
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re warning please read in article qke b mc spool mu edu jason studsys mscs mu edu jason hanson writes from article apr virginia edu by ejv j virginia edu erik velapoldi this happened about a year ago on the washington dc beltway snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass four or five cars were hit there were several serious injuries and sadly about a year ago some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on i near eau claire wisconsin and it killed the driver below i believe he was a schoolteacher from minnesota here in houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed in a similar manner
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re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam in article apr newsgate sps mot com rapw email sps mot com writes their problem i wasn t giving them any more money the finance guy then brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time i reminded him that i was the customer and i didn t think i should be treated like that and that if he didn t back off he could forget the whole deal he made some smart remark so i told him where he could stick it snatched back my check and left needless to say they were not pleased by the turn of events that s nothing when a friend of mine went shopping for a small sedan a few years ago she brought me along as a token male so the salespeople wouldn t give her the bimbo treatment her first choice was a mazda and second choice was a nissan sentra we went to a mazda dealership and described what we wanted we started negotiating on the price and the salesdroid kept playing the let me run this price by the sales manager after playing the good salesman bad salesman game we finally told him that if he didn t have the authority to negotiate a price perhaps we should be speaking directly to someone who did he brought in the sales manager who proceeded to dick us around with every trick in the book read remar sutton s don t get taken every time for a list finally after playing a few more rounds of you ll have to work with us on this price also known as each time you come up a thousand dollars we ll come down ten the salesmanager gave a signal to his two sales cronies stood up and said well we can t come down any more so i guess we can t help you and they trouped out of the room leaving us sitting in the salesman s office all by ourselves hmm i d read that sleazy salesmen sometimes bug their own offices so they can leave and listen in on couples discussing the sales offer and i mentioned this aloud to my friend while we were sitting there wondering why they would leave us in the office instead of showing us to the door for lack of anything better to do i picked up the phone on the desk and called another mazda dealership asked for a salesman and began discussing what kind of price they would consider a few sentences into the conversation mr salesmanager broke into the line and began telling me how rude he thought it was that i would call another dealership from his phone i said that since he d announced that our business was over he shouldn t care and every time i tried to talk to the other sales guy the sales manager would drown out our voices with his own how did he know that i was using the phone anyway finally i hung up and we headed out of the showroom sales manager and cronies come out of a little unmarked room and he begins to berate us again we say that we won t bother him anymore we re going next door to the nissan dealership then comes the part i wish i could have videotaped as we go out the front door the sales manager shouts across the entire showroom customers and all go ahead you deserve to buy a nissan so my friend bought a sentra just so the guilty won t go unpunished i ll mention that the sales manager s name was gary tusone from his manner his refusal to come down to a reasonable price and his anger at the end my guess is that he had bet our original salesman who was a young novice that he d be able to get at least x dollars out of us and he was steamed that we wouldn t fall for his slimy tricks
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re lh workmanship i was following an example of the lh the other day and noticed the fit between the tunk lid and the rear bumper the gap was quite small on the left side but much larger on the right blech mark
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re too fast in apr cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article qg v ju umcc umcc umich edu mhartman umcc umcc umich edu mark hartman writes i don t know why you are complaining about alot of us have cars that can easily top that most that go are built to do it also and can handle the speed why complain and just join in on the fast fun can i ask have any of you been at the speed of its a rush driving in a straight line is fine you very soon become aclimated to it it s only a rush when there are corners that you don t think you can make on a clear autobahn is nothing in the u s of people and all judges would label you insane and it is difficult to persuade people otherwise sure but the surface condition of most good autobahns is far better than most of the roads here a dip in the asphalt that you test your shocks on at will kill you at don t get me wrong i love to drive quickly and they say my probe will do but that s more than i ve ever tried in it cause there isn t a decent enough piece of road hereabouts craig mark hartman mhartman umcc umcc umich edu kalamazoo mi bk cleveland freenet edu i m naked in the school sleepyhead bob
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old license plates wanted hi me and my roomate are going to redecorate the living room and we thought it would be a cool idea to have a license plate from every state in the us and then from whereever else we could find like canada mexixo even some european ones if anyone has any ideas or knows someone that could help us out please let me know the more recent the better but anything would be nice either that or if you have an old plate hanging around hint hint kev wanderer camelot bradley edu kevin c murphy west main street peoria il
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re mgbs and the real world in article apr hasler ascom ch kevinh hasler ascom ch writes oh yeah i had a gt mini and even before i did anything to it it could leave an mgb standing anywhere except perhaps on a long straight motorway run at people who bought mgb s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional brit sportscar not because they were great at anything pretty much like the people who buy the mazda mx miata today small fun and you can fool yourself and a lot of other people that you have the performance of many far superior and much more expensive performnace cars derek tearne derek nezsdc icl co nz fujitsu new zealand some of the more aware dinosaurs were worried about the environmental consequences of an accident with the new iridium enriched fusion reactor if it goes off only the cockroaches and mammals will survive they said
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re dumbest driver action in c dq n ub news cso uiuc edu mwbg uxa cso uiuc edu mark wayne blunier writes jimf centerline com jim frost writes i wish i had the figures with me to back me up but i recall statistics showing that women tended to have more accidents than men but the damage was generally quite minor men had fewer but far more expensive accidents the rate of total vehicle destruction was significantly higher for men than women particularly in the younger male age groups imho social considerations are probably the strongest influence here possibly more so than any difference between the sexes social influences often affect the type of car that s bought and the situations the car is used in and the type of car and driving situations have a major effect on accident risk thus if society expects you to buy a mustang and race it on the street you re more likely to do it and our society expects that of males more than females i agree with some of your social influences such as driving conditions but lets get real here guys don t drag race becuase there expected too we do it becuase its fun and we find out whose car is faster guys drive different than women becuase there men when a driver is driving unusually i can usually figure out if it is a male or female driver without looking at the driver social influences may give a person more reason to buy a vehicle that has a certain amount of character which he or she would like associated with do you change your driving habits when no one is around sheesh i don t know what kind of women they have where you guys live but there are some ladies here who will blow your doors off or at least they will try to but we just can t let the youngsters get too uppity with us old folks my mark b jim frost jimf centerline com bob
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re lh workmanship in article apr walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid at a competitive price unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing through a single data point you can draw any line you want dr s bart childs professor texas a m dept of computer science both my pastor s late model corolla and my father s stanza have demonstrated the falling door seals problem daryl biberdorf n gjm d biberdorf tamu edu sola gratia sola fide sola scriptura
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honda civic i d like to converse with anyone who has purchased a honda civic about their experience i m new to the car buying game and would like to know what price i can expect to pay for a sedan after bargaining thanks in advance ellen
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heard of these south bay shops i need to bring on my vw corrado for body work i got hit i was wondering if anyone has heard of any of these south bay body shops akins collision center of santa clara on reed st auto west collision in san jose los gatos acura royal auto body in sunnyvale thanks w
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re changing oil by self rist another dealer service scam in article qk m pbe news ysu edu ak yfn ysu edu john r daker writes i was worried about someone stealing my oil once also i finally decided to just have my drain plug welded shut it works great i figure that when i add three or four quarts when the oil light comes on every month or so that it s just as good or better than the old wives tale of changing the oil and filter every miles works for me i must say i did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons i was wondering how you filled your crankcase though as i welded my hood shut also out of fear that somebody might steal my air filter oh come on silly all you have to do is cut a hole in your hood and put a tube there so you can get to the oil fill hole what do you think all those big air intake things are for on those hot rod cars they re just for looks only little does anyone know they provide access to the oil fill hole well over where we live we have problems with vandals stealing people s wheels those locking nuts didn t stop them so to be safe and sure i welded the lug nuts to my wheels together it works serious i haven t had my wheels stolen yet
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re warning please read in article qh innfl cs utk edu larose austin cs utk edu brian larose writes this just a warning to everybody on the net watch out for folks standing next to the road or on overpasses they can cause serious harm to you and your car just a cliff notes version of my story follows pm last night i was travelling on the interstate here in knoxville i was taking an offramp exit to another interstate and my wife suddenly screamed and something large hit the side of my truck we slowed down but after looking back to see the vandals standing there we drove on to the police station she did get a good look at the guy and saw him cock his arm with something the size of a cinderblock but i never saw him we are very lucky the truck sits up high on the road if it would have hit her window it would have killed her the police are looking for the guy but in all likelyhood he is gone stuff deleted i am sorry to report that in southern california it was a sick sport for a while to drop concrete blocks from the overpasses onto the freeway several persons were killed when said blocks came through their windshields many overpass bridges are now fenced and they have made it illegal to loiter on such bridges as if that would stop such people yet many bridges are not fenced i always look up at a bridge while i still have time to take evasive action even though this sport has not reached us here in fresno greg lewis csufresno edu photojournalism sequence department of journalism csu fresno fresno ca
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article c hhgm rm constellation ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu james p callison writes in article apr slcs slb com dcd se houston geoquest slb com dan day writes in article q innb ctron news ctron com smith ctron com writes it s a big aftermarket business almost no cars come from the factory with vynal any more and any fake convertible job definitely came from some aftermarket place what amazes me is how much people are willing to pay for bad taste how about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the trunk or side or both sides of some tacky luxury cars some of em aren t fake if you re talking about the continental kit named after the lincoln continental the first car to sport one i personally would love to have a t bird with a continental kit and the supercharged v that is one of the most beautiful cars ever built imho james the continental may have been the first modern era auto to mount the spare on the rear of the car but it was hardly the first car to sport one various mounting techniques for rear mounting the spare were quite common in early automobiles both us and foreign ken franklin they say there s a heaven for people who wait ama and some say it s better but i say it ain t gwrra i d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints dod the sinners are lots more fun y know only the good die young
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re car buying story was christ another dealer service scam while not exactly a service incident i had a similar experience recently when i bought a new truck i had picked out the vehicle i wanted and after a little haggling we agreed on a price i wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax and license and told them i d be back that evening to pick up the truck when i returned i had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could get to me when i finally got in there everything went smoothly until he started adding up the numbers he then discovered that they had miscalculated the tax license by about this seems to be a popular scam with dealers last month my brother bought a new audi series quatro from a local dealer they came back with the final price tax and all and he added it up for himself there happened to be an extra tagged on under the tax part he pointed out their error and asked them to re think their addition they came back with the right price the next time
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re how is cizeta v t doing in article crh regent e technik tu muenchen de crh regent e technik tu muenchen dbp de christian huebner writes i can remember reading a track competition in some car magazine which featured the testarossa the diablo and the v t the result was about the same i would have expected the cizeta was not only the slowest of the three but also dropped out halfway during it s test laps because of smoking brakes for a sportscar it showed ridiculous performance hm i find this hard to believe v t weights about the same as the red head but it has hell lot more horse power perhaps it s due to pre production glitches well to me it still got the most imposing styling among all the sports cars i have seen bye chris crh regent e technik tu muenchen de ferrari f best sportscar ever built personally i don t like cars that rely on turbo power i guess everyone has their favorite car
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new break pads exhausts after k km k mi on maxima hi maybe someone can help me here i am looking to buy this nissan maxima gxe for cdn right now the car has km or about miles on it a typical mileage for cars seem to be about km or about k mi the seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced to meet the legal standards he said he will replace the components before selling the car to me being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars i don t know what this could mean is k km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items or is this an indication that the car was abused would other things break down or have to be replaced soon the seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot but i don t know how to verify this i ve seen the paint chipped away in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood though although the maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and well kept it s currently out of warranty a similarly priced accord with k km will have years or k km worth of warranty left and i don t want to worry about paying for any repair bills but i also need a car for people when will the new maxima come out by the way i would very much appreciate your input in this please reply by e mail preferred or post in this newsgroup thanks ryan ryan kim university of toronto eecg computer graphics rkim eecg toronto edu do not weave between traffic cones at road works from the new british highway code toronto star april
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re instead of a saturn sc what srihari cirrus com srihari shoroff writes in ifn spo iv a nz andrew cmu edu jr q andrew cmu edu jason m roth writes r t had an article on cars of the sc ilk and they liked the civic ex the escort gt and the mx best of all and the sc was way down the list except for braking i just looked at that article first of all this summary is inaccurate of cars the sc was th right behind these mentioned and the suzuki swift as has been pointed out it was a semi silly comparison the saturn was at least cheaper than the mx and escort admittedly negligible but an issue and less than the honda the stated goal was a base under k the honda was over while the sc at the same price was excluded in other words they let the best honda play but not the best saturn note that the saturn did beat the k i dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest assured that the street prices for the mx and escort and maybe even the honda will be lesser than that of the saturn you re talking about all price comparisons i ve seen are based on msrp and of course the saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others will do it way below sticker srihari i d hate to rehash an old thread but would someone kindly quote a prices that a dealer quotes for a civic ex and escort gt also i m a assuming that the mx was the v so go ahead and look that up too if someone has one of those yearly buyers guides that give a low quote price please quote them too then find the the sc base price thanks chintan amin the university of illinois urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart c quick to judge quick to anger slow to understand ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand
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re lh workmanship in article ql inn q tamsun tamu edu dlb tamuts tamu edu daryl biberdorf writes in article apr walter bellcore com jchen ctt bellcore com writes i just visited the ny auto show and saw two lh cars on the floor eagle vision and dodge intrepid at a competitive price unfortunately the workmanship is quite disappointing on both cars the rubber seals around the window and door fell off it turns out the seals are just big grooved rubber band it goes on just by pressing through a single data point you can draw any line you want dr s bart childs professor texas a m dept of computer science wrong i got two points which were the sample space on the show floor by the previous quote i guess i may drow a determinstic line both my pastor s late model corolla and my father s stanza have demonstrated the falling door seals problem as unfair as it may seem the difference between chrysler and toyota is that chrysler needs to prove that it can build quality cars toyota can afford make a few small mistakes without hurting the image after all door seal failing on a year old stanza is not comparable to the same problem on a brand new intreprid jason chen
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re open letter to nissan really station wagon in article apr engr washington edu eliot stalfos engr washington edu eliot writes this week s autoweek talks about how wagons are getting back in vogue i wouldn t mind an audi s wagon great stealth value but you ll never catch me dead in a minivan even a minivan based on viper running gear teddy p s i think the audi s gets a liter v next year
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re do trains busses have radar in article apr bronco fnal gov colombo bronco fnal gov rick open vms ever colombo writes i don t know about trains but i ve saw a sign on the back of a greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off it doesn t explain why but it does set off my radar detector because greyhound has apparently gotten around to installing their radar collision prevention system they use radar to monitor how close other vehicles are and how fast their relative speeds are and signals a warning to the driver if they re coming up on something too fast or are getting too close this is all i remember from the news reports a few months back at the time they were only talking about the possibility of installing the system they didn t mention how it worked in bumper to bumper traffic or how it discriminated between a camaro approaching at mph and ye olde bridge support in the median being approached at mph on a curve i do recall something about progressive stages of warnings from flashing lights to audible warnings ie it goes from a red too close light to hysterically screaming we re all going to die james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i m not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder t bird sc it s a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all he s ever gonna have will munny unforgiven
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re mgbs and the real world derek nezsdc icl co nz derek tearne writes people who bought mgb s bought them because they were an open topped sportscar and embodied what people thought they should for an old fashioned traditional brit sportscar not because they were great at anything pretty much like the people who buy the mazda mx miata today small fun and you can fool yourself and a lot of other people that you have the performance of many far superior and much more expensive performnace cars i have been for a fairly hard run in an mx what they lack in power they surely make up for in handling great for back streets with heaps of corners they are a fairly light car with a low center of gravity and a quite free revving dohc engine a fun car have you driven a turbo converted mx now they are starting to perform i ve often thought a mazda rotary would go well in the xm too anyone done it regards scott scott fisher scott psy uwa oz au ph aus perth local n department of psychology w e university of western australia perth s e s nedlands perth w a v joy is a jaguar xj with a flat battery a blown oil seal and an unsympathetic wife km outside of a small remote town am on a cold wet winters morning
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re warning please read in article apr icf hrb com jek icf hrb com joe karolchik writes i deleted your name because i don t want to sound accusative in my remark on another occasion on my way from texas to florida i had stopped in a small motel for the night in a small town somewhere in florida about youths were disturbing my car setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out when i and another tenant walked out with a magnum and a automatic respectively they vanished needless to say i immediately packed up and left watch out for car jacking and staged accidents they can be deadly i m not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons but i would ask you if you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your alarm i can think of worse things in the world glad you got out of there before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun if i hear someone screwing with my car ie setting off the alarm and taunting me to come out you can be damn sure that my colt delta elite will also be coming with me it s not the screwing with the car that d get them shot it s the potential physical danger if they re taunting like that it s very possible that they also intend to rob me and or do other physically harmful things if they re just screwing around no harm done if they re bent on mayhem they will receive the cure for their lead deficiency a gr injection fps there s no telling what today s violent criminals will do death may be the most pleasant outcome james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i m not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder t bird sc it s a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all he s ever gonna have will munny unforgiven
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re new break pads exhausts after k km k mi on maxima in article apr jarvis csri toronto edu rkim eecg toronto edu ryan kim writes hi maybe someone can help me here i am looking to buy this nissan maxima gxe for cdn right now so its an automatic don t know if us spec cdn spec for maximas the car has km or about miles on it a typical mileage for cars seem to be about km or about k mi the seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced to meet the legal standards he said he will replace the components before selling the car to me being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars i don t know what this could mean is k km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items or is this an indication that the car was abused if it is the first set of brake pads on front then this is fine my car eats a set every k miles or so the fact that he is replacing the muffler too is also ok would other things break down or have to be replaced soon the mileage is fairly low but typical fwd stuff is cv joints check the maintenance records with the manufacturers requirements for valve adjustments timing belt changes and so on the k mile service is often expensive so make sure he has done everything the seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot but i don t know how to verify this i ve seen the paint chipped away in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood though well this is one of the commonly cited methods for identifying a car with highway miles might check the gas pedal wear too ask him how many sets of tires he has been through a highway car might have squeezed by on sets a hard driven car sets although the maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and well kept it s currently out of warranty a similarly priced accord with k km will have years or k km worth of warranty left and i don t want to worry about paying for any repair bills well the maxima should be pretty reliable but if its out of warranty you should get it checked out by someone knowledgeable first stuff for japanese cars can be expensive but i also need a car for people when will the new maxima come out by the way model year i believe i would very much appreciate your input in this please reply by e mail preferred or post in this newsgroup craig thanks ryan ryan kim university of toronto eecg computer graphics rkim eecg toronto edu do not weave between traffic cones at road works from the new british highway code toronto star april
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time in article apr cactus org boyle cactus org craig boyle writes in article c jnk jkt news cso uiuc edu cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc writes wasn t the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver so he could see where he was backing up although reverse lights on the sides no reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up they aren t bright enough to typically see by without the brake and tail lights i don t know where you live but i couldn t get out of my driveway at night without reverse lights as someone said out in the country you notice neat little things like stars and the difference between day and night at night around my house which is amongst a forest of rather tall oaks it is dark except for nights with full moons reverse lights illuminate my path very well when backing up i greatly prefer cars with them to cars without operational reverse lights james james p callison microcomputer coordinator u of oklahoma law center callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu callison aardvark ucs uoknor edu disclaimer i m not an engineer but i play one at work the forecast calls for thunder t bird sc it s a hell of a thing killing a man you take away all he has and all he s ever gonna have will munny unforgiven
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re how is cizeta v t doing cs sbw sdcc ucsd edu cs sbw writes does anyone know what happpened to the venerable v t has claudio done any enhancement to it are there any pictures of this beast i can ftp down somewhere thanks p s better seen any rc model of this beauty autoweek had an article about the car within the past six weeks it was the issue with the diablo vt awd on the cover naturally i don t remember the date of the issue offhand but i can check it if anyone is interested aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu why should i care i d rather watch drying paint
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re bmw series for from article eabu dialin slip nts uci edu by eabu orion oac uci edu alvin is there going to be a bmw in could be isn t the liter six supposed to be enlarged to liters in the not too distant future aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu why should i care i d rather watch drying paint
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re instead of a saturn sc what from article qkkl innbvo hp col col hp com by theckel col hp com tim heckel for those that are interested i got my fully optioned air abs sunroof se r in september for in sacramento ca it was one of the st s sold few of the dealers had any no local dealer had an abs equipped se r i went straight to the fleet manager at the dealership i liked told him what i wanted made him aware that i knew what his price should be he called me back with exactly what i wanted from a dealer mi away i took delivery the next day when i was selling nissans last summer i sold a se r in early august when its supply was getting quite scarce the car was black with abs value option pkg and power moonroof i sold it for plus tax naturally my manager didn t really care to sell one of the most desirable se r s for virtually no profit to the best of my knowledge aamir qazi aamir qazi qazi csd csd uwm edu why should i care i d rather watch drying paint
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re dumbest automotive concepts of all time no reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up they aren t bright enough to typically see by without the brake and tail lights craig perhaps instead of this silly argument about what backup lights are for couldn t we agree that they serve the dual purpose of letting people behind your car know that you have it in reverse and that they can also light up the area behind your car while you re backing up so you can see backup lamps on current models are much brighter than they used to be on older cars those on my taurus wagon are quite bright enough to illuminate a good area behind the car and they re much brighter than those on my earlier cars from the s and s insofar as vettes having side backup lights look at a or model or perhaps a year or two earlier too and you ll see red side marker lamps and white side marker lamps both near the car s hindquarters those aren t just white reflectors harv
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re station wagons was open letter to nissan in article apr leland stanford edu tedebear leland stanford edu theodore chen writes but you ll never catch me dead in a minivan even a minivan based on viper running gear hmmmm not sure since no such beast exists i can tell you another though you won t catch me dead in a gmc syclone or typhoon either bhp or not not even the fact that clint eastwood has one just my taste no rational reasons for it teddy p s i think the audi s gets a liter v next year car just tested the s wagon with banger and speed manual rave review except for servotronic audi is trying to recoup the development costs for the v and since the v is not selling well they are sticking it into the series cars neat marketing trick eh yeah a v v wouldn t be a bad idea as competition for the upcoming bimmer i would it maybe they can use a liter version to avoid conflicts with the v model then strip off all the luxo garbage let the s remain with the flared arches and fat tires to go fight with the m maybe turn up the boost a wee bit to bump bhp up to say or so while keeping the v with mercedes e style subtlety blah blah blah eliot
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re mgbs and the real world in article qlg iu uniwa uwa oz au scott psy uwa oz au scott fisher writes have you driven a turbo converted mx now they are starting to perform i ve often thought a mazda rotary would go well in the xm too anyone done it no but somebody s dropped a ford v into the miata somewhat reminiscent of the shelby cobra the car s obviously not as nimble as before but it s supposed to have a near weight distribution and handle very well i d sure love to drive one teddy
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