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re changing sprocket ratios honda cb in article ax b w w cellar org craig cellar org saint craig wrote it can be done contact chaparell cycle supply hey they even had sprockets for my vf r which is hard to find accesssories for i second that they even had sprockets for my r rs very hard to find john stafford minnesota state university winona all standard disclaimers apply
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re bmw moa members read this sender reply to harmons gyro wv tek com harmon sommer distribution organization usr ens etc organization keywords as a new bmw owner i was thinking about signing up for the moa but right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money down a rathole let my current membership lapse when it s up for renewal in my case that s not for another years so i d appreciate any hints on what will keep the organization in business that long and preferably longer of course and worth being part of become an activist campaign for an mc insurance program for universal driver rider training before licensing pick a topic dear to your heart and get the organization to act on it barnacles don t move ships
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re countersteering faq please post sender reply to harmons gyro wv tek com harmon sommer distribution organization usr ens etc organization keywords hey ed how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse s reins left to go left or am i confusing two threads here unless they have been taught to neck rein then the left rein is brought to bear on the left side of horse s neck to go right equestrian counter steering
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for sale i am selling my sportster to make room for a new flhtcu this scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused always garaged sportster standard blue factory cc conversion kit less than miles branch ported and polished big valve heads screamin eagle carb screamin eagle cam adjustable pushrods harley performance mufflers tachometer new metzeler tires front and rear progressive front fork springs harley king and queen seat and sissy bar everything chromed o ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat new die hard battery bike cover price phone hm wk melbourne florida
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insurance and lotsa points well it looks like i m f cked for insurance i had a dwi in and for the beemer as a rec vehicle it ll cost me almost bucks to insure year now what do i do i could probably just sell the bike and return my dod number andy infante you can listen to what everybody says but the fact remains bmw r that you ve got to get out there and do the thing yourself dod joan sutherland my opinions dammit have nothing to do with anyone else
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re countersteering faq please post in article qjn i d i sixgun east sun com egreen east sun com writes in article rd hydro on ca jlevine rd hydro on ca jody levine writes in article qc c r sixgun east sun com egreen east sun com writes single track snow vehicles with front skis and snow skis attached to skiers legs deform the surface of the snow creating their own bank ice skates alter the phase of the ice and also carve out their own tracks so what so they have bugger all to do with motorcycles hence any apparent similarity in handling characteristics may or may not be analagous in its underlying physics to that behind motorcycle handling characteristics ok as one last attempt i ll take a different tack we all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle the question is is one of the effect dominant and which one is it the idea would be to design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics and see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of us who have bikes are familiar let s look at the one that so far has sparked no controversy on its own gyroscopic precession to examine this alone we would have to get rid of the contact patch effect by not allowing the contact patches to transmit any force the wheels and steering mechanism would have to remain and be attached to a vehicle with about the same weight as a bike through suspension so that the wheels transmit forces to the bike the same way similar to a bikes an experiment would be to ride a bike along a dry road to get moving and to get the wheels spinning then change surfaces to something that won t transmit forces through the contact patches and try a steering manoeuvre to see if the bike leans it probably would since some of us know how easy it is to fall down on ice but we wouldn t get a good idea of how well or what it feels like because without the contact patches we can t turn maybe there s a better way besides even ice doesn t get rid of the contact patch forces altogether so we d have to find a really frictionless surface you d have to try it again with the wheels locked to really know if it was the rotation that did it looking at the contact patch effect only however is fairly simple now we have to find a vehicle that gets the about the same magnitude and direction of cantact patch forces as a motorcycle and transmits them about the same way to the vehicle but without rotating wheels how it gets the contact patch forces is irrelevant we re just looking for something that has contact patches that can go straight and not sideways and skis or skates would do fine i don t know of any snow ski or skate bikes but up here we have the suzuki wetbike that is arranged like a motorcycle but has fat water skis where there should be wheels i think the propellor is in front of the rear ski or something like that but we could try it at a coast to get rid of most of its effect now i admit that this is second hand info although i d love to try one of these but the review in the local cycle rag and a guy in a bike shop that sells them both say that this machine handles very much like a motorcycle in that you countersteer it to turn so we have contact patches that transmit similar forces to a bike s a similar suspension arrangement and no gyroscopes but we do have countersteering conclusion you don t need gyroscopes to countersteer vehicles that have motorcycle like contact patch arrangements we still don t know what real effect the gyroscopes have when they re there but from my observations of how handlebar angle force etc relate to steering in general i m willing to bet that they re not the dominant factor in countersteering if you don t like this conclusion then don t accept it but my motorcycle s behaviour is consistent with it if someone can prove otherwise go ahead i ve bike like jody levine dod kv got a you can if you pf jody p levine hydro on ca ride it toronto ontario canada
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re observation re helmets in article apr research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com chris behanna writes do i have to be the one to say it don t be so stupid as to leave your helmet on the seat where it can fall down and go boom true enough i put it on the ground if it s free of spooge or directly on my head otherwise that kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against not exactly the helmet has a lot less energy if your head isn t in it and there s no lump inside to compress the liner against the shell is a drop off the seat enough to crack the shell i doubt it but you can always send it to be inspected i ve bike like jody levine dod kv got a you can if you pf jody p levine hydro on ca ride it toronto ontario canada
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re how to act in front of traffic jerks in article nielsmm nanna imv aau dk nielsmm imv aau dk niels mikkel michelsen writes the other day it was raining cats and dogs therefor i was going only to the speed limit on nothing more on my bike this guy in his bmw was driving meters behind me for meters and at the next red light i calmly put the bike on its leg walked back to this car he rolled down the window and i told him he was a total idiot and the reason why did i do the right thing well i used to get mad and either try to communicate my anger to jerks or to uhm educate them in how to improve their manners in traffic now i just try to get them off my tail in heavy traffic i slow down a bit mostly so i have more buffer zone in front to balance the minimal buffer behind but i also often find that the jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes switch into one of them and pass me which is fine because then i can keep a better eye on the jerk from behind while looking ahead rather than from in front while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors in traffic so heavy that there is no way for the jerk to pass i might pull over as if to look for a street number or name still ignoring the jerk just to get the jerk off my tail if this all sounds well wimpy or un denizenly or pessimistic or perhaps for any psych types passive aggressive consider that i prefer to get my adrenaline jollies from riding rather than from yelling at jerks a ride can improve my whole day while yelling at a jerk is likely for me to ruin my ride or my day with my own anger in the worst case yelling at the jerk could ruin my life since even a tiny jerk in a cage behind me is better armed with the cage than i am on a bike on the other hand you might try subtly arranging to be the last vehicle to legally cross one or more intersections leaving the jerk waiting for cross traffic and thus off your tail or crossing illegally hopefully in front of the waiting police like almost everything here your choices and mileage will vary denis mckeon galway chtm eece unm edu
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re bmw moa members read this in article shaman wv tek com harmons wv tek com harmon sommer writes as a new bmw owner i was thinking about signing up for the moa but let my current membership lapse when it s up for renewal hints on what will keep the organization in business that long become an activist campaign for an mc insurance program for universal driver rider training before licensing pick a topic dear to your heart and get the organization to act on it barnacles don t move ships you re obviously not referring to any of the three above quoted individuals because barnacles don t each send to the crew of the ship to keep it moving get the organization to act on it is easy to say but says little about what one really can and should do what the organization actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors as far as i can see that s what makes it so important to vote in an election of officers it does strike me that the bmwmoa is a lot less politically active in the state and national arenas not infighting than other m c organizations should we change this or just join the other groups that already are in politics incidentally the political hazards to motorcycle riders in the us at the moment don t compare to the problems of some other groups like gun owners just try to take up target pistol shooting in the northeast or california and i bet you ll wish you only had to worry about wearing a helmet why does every thread on rec moto eventually come around to guns david karr karr cs cornell edu
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looking for women s motorcycle helmet i m looking to buy a used motorcycle helmet i m interested in a full face shield but not necessarily a helmet with the piece around the chin please email me directly janice kendall kendall adobe com decwrl sun adobe kendall onward thru the fog tm oat willie s tm
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re v max handling request in article apr ntuvax ntu ac sg ba ntuvax ntu ac sg writes hello there ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the yamaha v max pls kindly comment on its handling from cycle world magazine who usually never says anything bad about any motorcycle the max certainly has motor but there are some things it is short of it is short of chassis it loves straight lines aimed in one it is nicely stable but it is not overfond of corners forced into one it protests shaking its head chattering its front tire grinding its footpegs and generally making known its preference for straight pavement bumps it doesn t like them either its fork isn t too bad though it is soft enough that it can be bottomed under hard braking the shocks though which work on that short travel shaft drive swingarm are firm to the point of harshness dave tharp dod you can t wear out davet interceptor cds tek com mra an indian scout k s indian chief ahrma or its brother the chief r s tr b ama they re built like rocks r velorex nsu max to take the knocks bmw r compulsive it s the harleys that my employer has no idea joiner give you grief
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ok so i was a little hasty apparently that last post was a little hasy since i called around to more places and got quotes for less than and liability only of course plus one palced will give me c c for my car liab on the bike for only total which ain t bad at all so i won t go with the first place i called that s fer sure andy infante you can listen to what everybody says but the fact remains bmw r that you ve got to get out there and do the thing yourself dod joan sutherland my opinions dammit have nothing to do with anyone else
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xs timing could some kind soul tell me the advance timing revs for a xs special bought in canada thanks
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for sale i am selling my sportster to make room for a new flhtcu this scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused always garaged sportster standard blue factory cc conversion kit less than miles branch ported and polished big valve heads screamin eagle carb screamin eagle cam adjustable pushrods harley performance mufflers tachometer new metzeler tires front and rear progressive front fork springs harley king and queen seat and sissy bar everything chromed o ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat new die hard battery bike cover price phone hm wk melbourne florida
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re stolen aarghhhh in article jpolito apr sysgem encore com jpolito sysgem encore com jonathan polito writes in article apr microunity com ericm microunity com eric murray writes watch out often when some scumbag steals the cover that means that they were or are looking to steal the bike in my case i had a faded cover stolen off a bmw r rs that was stashed in an apartment carport and not visible from the street they evidently decided the beemer wasn t worth stealing but did try the next night to steal a honda hurricane parked in the next apartment building a neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops i know this is just setting myself up but this is actually one of the things that is really good about bmw bikes from all accounts i ve heard practically no one steals bmws probably it is similar for moto guzzis and other relative exotics since there isn t a large demand for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down it seems that the most stolen bikes are harleys and cc jap sport bikes well i d say you re mostly right but for different reasons btw as of a couple years ago the most stolen bikes in orange county and sf were gsx s and ninjas probably the biggest reason bmws aren t ripped off is that most people who buy bmws will only deal with the actual bmw dealer or mail order types most of these can have their inventory checked fairly easily by law enforcement types and their mark up is usually sufficient to keep them honest about acquiring parts for harleys and rice rockets you ve got different situations there is a huge aftermarket in harley parts so a bike can be parted out fairly easily ditto the non sport japanese bikes but the prices on the parts for these are not as high comparatively for the rockets anytime a bike goes down the plastic is usually cracked and is expensive to replace it s fairly easy then for a disreputable shop to take a fairing from a stolen bike slap it on a bike in for repair repaint it and make a tidy profit the other parts more traceable can be used or discarded if they are too traceable mike disclaimer these opiini h h damn h h q w q wq wq d x exit x q c quitbye ctrlaltdel q q logout save quit quit zz zzzzzz vi man vi l c e x i t help helpquit d d man help c c e help exit quit q ctrlshftdel hey what does stop l a d
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passenger helmet sizing in article qk oi d i sixgun east sun com egreen east sun com writes in article mavenry altcit eskimo com maven mavenry altcit eskimo com norman hamer writes the question for the day is re passenger helmets if you don t know for certain who s gonna ride with you like say you meet them at a church meeting yeah that s the ticket what are some guidelines should i just pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet xl or should i maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely passenger if your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a crash have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size if your primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws carry a real big spare you can put a big or small head in a big helmet but not in a small one while shopping for a passenger helmet i noticed that in many cases the external dimensions of the helmets were the same from s through xl the difference was the amount of inside padding my solution was to buy a large helmet and construct a removable liner from a sheet of closed cell foam and some satin glued to the inside surface the result is a reasonably snug fit on my smallest headed pillion with the liner in and a comfortable fit on my largest headed pillion with the liner out everyone else gets linered or not by best fit michael robinson uucp ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkeley edu
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re bmw moa members read this bill ranck writes as a new bmw owner i was thinking about signing up for the moa but right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money down a rathole when you guys sort this out let me know bill ranck bill ranck vt edu computing center virginia polytchnic inst state univ blacksburg va ditto for me tim seiss k s kx
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re used bikes east vs west coasts hpcc rec motorcycles groverc gold gvg tek com grover cleveland am apr shop for your bike in sacramento the bay area prices are always much higher than elsewhere in the state gc affirmative check sacramento bee fresno bee modesto stockton bakersfield and other newspapers for prices of motos in the classifieds a large main public library ought to have a number of out of town papers graeme harrison hewlett packard co communications components division w trimble rd san jose ca gharriso hpcc corp hp com dod
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paint jobs in the uk can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs preferably but not essentially in the london area thanks lisa rowlands alex technologies ltd cp house uxbridge road tel ealing fax london email lisa alex com w lt
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re happy easter nick pettefar npet bnr ca wrote kevinh on the tue apr gmt wibbled jonathan quist bemoaned yes it s a minor blasphemy that u s companies would on the likes of a m jaguar or sob lotus it s outright sacrilege for rr to have non british ownership it s a fundamental thing lotus looks set for a management buyout gm weren t happy that the elan was late and too pricey if they can write off the elan development costs the may be able to sell them for a sensible price i think there is a legal clause in the rr name regardless of who owns it it must be a british company owner i e ba can sell the company but not the name kevinh hasler ascom ch i don t believe that ba have anything to do with rr it s a seperate company from the rr aero engine company it s vickers who own rolls royce cars and yes kevin it is posts morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension ob bike at long bleeding last when will that pettefar bloke get a mail address so we can bung him on the ogri list dave david edmondson davide dcs qmw ac uk queen mary westfield college dod guzzi le mans this means the end of the horse drawn zeppelin
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re observation re helmets maven mavenry altcit eskimo com norman hamer wrote grf dropped my shoei rf off the seat of my bike while trying to rock it onto it s centerstand chipped the heck out of the paint on it gravity it ll never let you down er up er lesson put your helmet on the ground or your head if you put it on the ground it isn t gonna fall down to the ground if you put it on your head well tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea massive difficult to redirect awe inspiring entertaining and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it gene spafford
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re live free but quietly or die mcguire cs utexas edu tommy marcus mcguire wrote egreen east sun com writes tjohnson tazmanian prime com tod johnson x writes sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle should we get into how many feet a bike going mph goes in seconds or how long it would take me to push my horn button the answer is feet try something like feet edgetacalculator right rom numbers easy to remember mph ft sec tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea massive difficult to redirect awe inspiring entertaining and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it gene spafford
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re more moa stuff like the ra in article c p b a x world std com artc world std com art campbell wrote ok so we ve got a hotly contested bmwoa election and some inept leadership my question is the history of the bmw organization that lead to the formation of the bmwra was there something going on in the oa years ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner s groups yep both were started nominally simultaneously splitsville from the start ie if my sources are correct one guy was involved in the start of both groups true tom coradeschi tcora pica army mil usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea massive difficult to redirect awe inspiring entertaining and a source of mind boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it gene spafford
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re bikes and contacts the best thing to do is to get a full face even if it is a cheap brain bucket i didn t think a full face was important until i took a gnarly spill and ended up sliding feet on my face plus with the visor down you also have no worries about your contacts
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re looking for movies w bikes there s also billy jack the wild one smokey and the bandit where jerry reed runs his truck over motorcycle gangs bikes and a video tape documentary on the hell s angels i found in a rental store once
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re wanted advice for new cylist the angel levine writes it s exactly as dangerous as it looks did you have anyone in particular in mind there jody
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re countersteering to know or not to know what is the question lotto husc harvard edu jerry lotto writes there has been a running thread on the need to understand countersteering i have seen a lot of opinion but not much of it has any basis in fact or study the bottom line is the understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among the accident involved riders in the hurt study the average rider does not identify that countersteering alone provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves even after many years of practice i would agree entirely with these three paragraphs but did the hurt study make any distinction between an ability to swerve and a failure to swerve in most of the accidents and near accidents that i ve seen riders will almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare simply because the instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over rides everything else hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive manouvres did hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable
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re looking for women s motorcycle helmet lisa alex com lisa rowlands writes hi janice i don t know if i m being unduly cautious but i wouldn t buy a used helmet not for normal road use anyway you never really know what s happened to them in their past life have fun lisa rowlands i ll second that i saw a list somewhere of all the stuff that it was unwise to buy secondhand stuff like parachutes toilet paper condoms and motorcycle helmets seriously though why take the risk you are extremely unlikely to get a good fitting secondhand helmet cos life just doesn t work like that and as lisa says you never know where it s been before
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re cb c with flames out the exhaust in article c quw btq ux cso uiuc edu mikeh ux cso uiuc edu mike hollyman says hi i have an cb custom that i just replaced the cylinder head gasket on now when i put it back together again it wouldn t idle at all it was only running on cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the exhaust on the right side the exhaust is mac i bought new plugs today and it runs very rough and still won t idle i am quite sure the fine tune knobs on the carbs are messed up i checked the timing it was fine so i advanced it a little and that didn t help i assume the carbs need to be synched can i buy a kit and do this myself if so what kit is the best for the price any other suggestions thanks in advance mike hollyman it sounds like you got the cam timing off
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re antifreeze coolant in article apr research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com chris behanna says for those of you with motorcycles of the liquid cooled persuasion what brand of coolant do you use and why i am looking for aluminum safe coolant preferably phosphate free and preferably cheaper than gallon can you believe it the kaw dealer wants a quart for the official blessed holy kawasaki coolant no way i m paying that usury thanks chris behanna dod h d fxwg wide glide jubilee s red lady behanna syl nj nec com cb t baby bike disclaimer now why would nec zx needs a name agree with any of this anyway i was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs i thought that all coolants were aluminum safe any more but i would like to know more since i must tear down my kawasaki again i must add
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re your opinion and what it means to me infante acpub duke edu andrew infante writes since the occurance i ve paid many dollars in renumerance taken the drunk class and yes listened to all the self righteous assholes like yourself that think your so above the rest of the world because you ve never had your own little dd suaree the devil made me do it
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re countersteering to know or not to know what is the question on wed apr gmt mjs sys uea ac uk mike sixsmith said mike lotto husc harvard edu jerry lotto writes me the understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among me the accident involved riders in the hurt study mike i would agree entirely with these three paragraphs but did the hurt mike study make any distinction between an ability to swerve and a failure mike to swerve yes it was specifically the ability or understanding of the technique which was absent we have made a lot of progress between rider education and responsibility over the last ten twenty years but i am still amazed anytime i teach an erc how many people of many year riding experience discover countersteering for cornering or swerving mike everything else hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive mike manouvres did hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally mike preferable the specific recommandation cited in the hurt study was that a formal street strategy like sipde for example was the most important component of any rider education curriculum the specific skills of emergency braking cornering and swerving must be taught and practiced as well but more significant was that of rider did nothing confronted with a potential accident and another third collided or fell over as a result of rider error the choice of specific maneuver is much less significant to the outcome than early detection and the proper execution of any effective countermeasure jerry lotto lotto lhasa harvard edu msfci hogssc bcso ama dod chemistry dept harvard univ it s my harley and i ll ride if i want to
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re for johs dhhalden no last pete young on the tue apr gmt wibbled nick pettefar npet bnr ca wrote tsk tsk tsk another newbie bites the dust eh they ll learn newbie sorry to disappoint you but as far as the internet goes i was in baghdad while you were still in your dads bag is this bit funny most of the people who made this group interesting or years ago are no longer around and i only have time to make a random sweep once a week or so hence i missed most of this thread i m terribly sorry based on your previous postings apparently devoid of humour sarcasm wit or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time i assumed you were serious mea culpa i know i know subtlety is sort of you know subtle isn t it still it s nice to see that bnr are doing so well that they can afford to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day that s foreign firms for you and a touchy newbie at that what s the matter too much starch in the undies nick the considerate biker dod concise oxford none gum chewer m lud nick pettefar contractor large teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated at bnr o o npet bnr ca bmw k rs kay maidenhead the united kingdom o pres pbwasoh uk bs
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re fortune guzzler barred from bars charles parr on the tue apr gmt wibbled in article apr bnr ca npet bnr ca nick pettefar writes if satan rode a bike cb would you stop to help him of course we riders have to stick together you know besides he d stop for me satan by the way rides a vincent so does god jesus rides an rz the angels get ariels and the demons all ride matchless s i know because they talk to me through the fillings in my teeth regards charles dod rz within the span of the last few weeks i have heard elements of separate threads which in that they have been conjoined in time struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing gourd unknown net person i think that the vincent is the wrong sort of bike for satan to ride honda have just brought out the cb look in bike magazine which looks so evil that satan would not hesitate to ride it hole dms levi s and a black bomber jacket i m not sure about the helmet oh i know one of those darth vader ones there you go satan anybody seen him lately just a cruisin god would ride a vincent white lightning with rightous injection he d wear a one piece leather suit with matching boots helmet and gloves nick the righteous biker dod concise oxford new non leaky gearbox m lud nick pettefar contractor large teneo tuus intervallum cuurrently incarcerated at bnr o o npet bnr ca bmw k rs kay maidenhead the united kingdom o pres pbwasoh uk bs
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re shaft drives and wheelies various posts about shafties can t do wheelies no mike it is imposible due to the shaft effect the centripital effects of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift off the ground good point john a buddy of mine told me that same thing when i had my bmw r gs i dumped the clutch at rpm hey ito nly revved to or so and you know what he was right uh folks the shaft doesn t have diddleysquatpoop to do with it i can get the front wheel off the ground on my ferchrissake bill wrs gozer mv com bill slack dod but her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost in the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust oo o o
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re shaft drives and wheelies in article r ja dpa news ysu edu ak yfn ysu edu john r daker says in a previous article xlyx vax cit cornell edu says mike terry asks is it possible to do a wheelie on a motorcycle with shaft drive no mike it is imposible due to the shaft effect the centripital effects of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift off the ground dod darkman well my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie the rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an odd feel but it still wheelies
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for sale zephyr hi boys and girls i just bought a beemer r gs and realized abruptly that i am a grad student i first sold my truck yesterday but i need to sell my zephyr too if i can sell it this month great insurance and tags both run out in a couple of weeks otherwise i ll tag and insure it and see what happens it s a very sweet bike miles almost all highway az wy co last summer plus some great rides between here and the border purchased new exactly one year ago apr it s a model it has a good fairing and a luggage rack red very clean perfect maintenance no bullshit i ll spare any further details other than to say i want to keep it and somebody will fit it like a charm not a bike for big people but not a small bike standard upright positioning and good looking smooth power great brakes good karma erik b o d y i s t h e b i k e dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw r gs s o u l i s t h e r i d e r
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re boom dog attack i eagerly await comment the ice princess next door makes a habit of flooring her cage out of the driveway when she sees me coming probably only hits mph or so i made the mistake of waving to a neighbor she has some sort of grudge now i was riding downhill at mph on a local backroad when a brown dobie came flashing through the brush at well over mph on an intercept course with my front wheel the dog had started out at the top of the hill when it heard me and still had a lead when it hit the road the dog was approaching from my left and was running full tilt to get to my bike on the other side of the road before i went by rover was looking back at me to calculate the final trajectory too bad it didn t notice the car approaching at mph from the other direction i got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend s noggin careening off the front bumper smacking the asphalt and getting runover by the front tire it managed a pretty good yelp just before impact peripheral imminent doom i guess the driver didn t see me or they probably would have swerved into my lane the squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back home but i haven t seen it since sniff sometimes fate sees you and smiles rick
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for sale sigh for sale reluctantly classic bike yamaha xs twin original miles always stored inside front end with aftermarket tapered steering head bearings racer s supply rear bronze swingarm bushings tsubaki chain pirrhana fairing with headlight cutout one up carrera racing seat superbike bars velo stacks on twin carbs also have original seat tank is original cherry white paint with no scratches dents or dings needs a new exhaust as original finally rusted through and was discarded i was in process of making kenney roberts tt replica cafe racer when graduate school marriage child precluded further effort wife would love me to unload it it does need re assembly but i think everything is there i ll also throw in manuals receipts and a collection of xs society newsletters and relevant mag articles great fun classic bike with over k invested will consider reasonable offers timothy j shickley ph d director neurourology departments of urology and anatomy cell biology temple university school of medicine north broad st philadelphia pa voice data voice fax internet shickley vm temple edu bitnet shickley templevm bitnet icbm n w w
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re boom dog attack in article uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau writes interestingly the one thing that never happened was that the bike never moved off course unfortunately i am one of the negative impaired the above sentence says i believe that the bike did move off course of course michael michael nelson cbr rr internet nelson seahunt imat com dod
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re cobra locks steve bunis se southwest chicago doc webrider central sun com wrote i was posting to alt locksmithing about the best methods for securing a motorcycle i got several responses referring to the cobra lock described below has anyone come across a store carrying this lock in the chicago area any other feedback from someone who has used this what about the new yamaha cyclelok from the photo in motorcyclist it looks the same hardened steel as a kryptonite u lock except it folds in five places it seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of a parking sign or similar anyone had any experience with them how easy is it to attack the lock at the jointed sections tony
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re happy easter in article apr i isc com jeq lachman com jonathan e quist writes rolls royce owned by a non british firm ye gods that would be the end of civilization as we know it why not ford owns aston martin and jaguar general motors owns lotus and vauxhall rover is only owned by honda dave tharp dod you can t wear out davet interceptor cds tek com mra an indian scout k s indian chief ahrma or its brother the chief r s tr b ama they re built like rocks r velorex nsu max to take the knocks bmw r compulsive it s the harleys that my employer has no idea joiner give you grief
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bike advice i have an kawasaki kx it is in mint condition and starts on the first kick every time i have outgrown the bike and am considering selling it i was told i should ask around does that sound right or should it be higher lower also i am looking for a used zx how much do i have to spend and what year should i look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg thanks for the help rob fusi rwf lehigh edu
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re bmwmoa controversy in article apr pb esac uucp prahren pb esac uucp peter ahrens writes in article rider uucp joe rider cactus org writes vech ra msstate edu craig a vechorik writes good ol boys that have been there too long while i agree with you that the current board is garbage voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash for another do the opponents of your selections get equal time yo joe why don t you post what you really think if there are any rational bmwmoa folks left out there may the rest of us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your esteemed organization together with an historical outline of how you got to the above contretemps now you know why i am just a dod member i like bikes and clubs but the politics and other b llsh t is a real turn off tuba irwin i honk therefore i am computrac richardson tx irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod r
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re bat helmet cbd from christopher bradley devlin cd i andrew cmu edu cbd but it s nothing compared to the ahem unique helmet cbd design seen in the new animated series it has a huge opening for his cbd mouth topped by the world s tiniest eyeslits above the enormous mouth cbd opening batman s helmet probably cuts you down to about degrees of cbd unrestricted vision with a helmet like this he might just be better cbd off with the leather cap mask thingy cbd c mon batman doesn t need to see he s batman cbd did you notice he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain so let s see what we have on the batdude so far he has a weird helmet he drags his knee in corners thanks cookson but how does he do it hidden bat pucks and he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain also he lets robin ride i think i could have used a bat mom would have made getting my license a lot easier there s a trend here stylish helmet stylish knee dragging rides only in stylish cartoon precipitation hmm could it be that we re dealing with a veritable airborne mammalian poseur dare i say it a bat squid huh bat squid it all adds up now let s make the b man an honorary dod dude all he needs is a dod sticker actually anyone have an address for batman s current artists both comic book and animated series we ll write and ask if batman would like to become an honorary denizen yeah special to the kotl is there a precedent for inducting an imaginary member with an imaginary motorcycle having seen the computers in the bat cave i think we can safely assume that he also has imaginary internet access ryan cousinetc yamaha vision xz black pig of inverness live to ride kotrb ajs c s king rat to work to dod i d be a squid if i could afford the bike flame to ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouver bc canada live slmr a my virtual reality check just bounced computer dynamics bbs hst v vancouver bc canada easy access low rates friendly sysop
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boom dog attack my previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or something i ve weathered attempted dog attacks before using the approved method slow down to screw up dog s triangulation of target then take off and laugh at the dog now far behind you this time it didn t work because i didn t have time riding up the hill leading to my house i encountered a liver and white springer spaniel no relation to the springer softail or the springer spagthorpe a close relation to the spagthorpe viking actually the dog encountered me with intent to harm but i digress i was riding near the unpainted centerline of the roughly foot wide road doing between forty and sixty clicks mph for the velocity impaired the dog shot at me from behind bushes on the left side of the road at an impossibly high speed i later learned he had been accelerating from the front porch about thirty feet away heading down the very gently sloped approach to the side of the road i saw the dog and before you could say sipde he was on me boom i took the dog in the left leg and from the marks on the bike my leg was driven up the side of the bike with considerable force making permanent marks on the plastic parts of the bike and cracking one panel i think i saw the dog spin around when i looked back but my memory of this moment is hazy i next turned around and picked the most likely looking house the apologetic woman explained that the dog was not seriously hurt cut mouth and hoped i was not hurt either i could feel the pain in my shin and expected a cool purple welt to form soon sadly it has not so i m left with a tender shin and no cool battle scars interestingly the one thing that never happened was that the bike never moved off course the not inconsiderable impact did not push the bike off course nor did it cause me to put the bike out of control from some gut reaction to the sudden impact delayed pain may have helped me here as i didn t feel a sudden sharp pain that i can remember what worries me about the accident is this i don t think i could have prevented it except by traveling much slower than i was this is not necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area but i was riding around the speed limit i worry about what would have happened if it had been a car instead of a dog but i console myself with the thought that it would take a truly insane bdi cager to whip out of a blind driveway at mph for that matter how many driveways are long enough for a car to hit mph by the end i eagerly await comment ryan cousinetc yamaha vision xz black pig of inverness live to ride kotrb ajs c s king rat to work to dod i d be a squid if i could afford the bike flame to ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouver bc canada live slmr a he s hurt dammit jim i m a doctor oh right computer dynamics bbs hst v vancouver bc canada easy access low rates friendly sysop
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re what is it with cats and dogs in article apr cbnewsj cb att com jimbes cbnewsj cb att com james bessette writes in article hplsla hp com kens hplsla hp com ken snyder writes ps i also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase ask the breeder why they also chase bmws also squeaky bmw riders ray shea they wound like a very effective method unisql inc leah unisql ray cs utexas edu some days i miss d boon real bad dod team twinkie hawk gt
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re got my bike was wanted advice on cb c purchase in article apr ll mit edu jburnside ll mit edu jamie w burnside writes in article apr ncsu edu jrwaters eos ncsu edu jack rogers waters writes being a reletively new reader i am quite impressed with all the usefull info available on this newsgroup i would ask how to get my own dod number but i ll probably be too busy riding does this count yes he thought about it cat dod faq mailx s hahahha jburnside ll mit edu waiting to press return hey c mon guys and gals i chose my words very carefully and even tried to get my faq s straight don t holler bohica at me around here even mentioning the dod without a number in your sig can get you soundly faqed notice however that i myself did not faq the careful monk he was after all waiting to press return jack waters ii dod i don t fear the thief in the night its the one that comes in the afternoon when i m still asleep that i worry about
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re flashing anyone in apr news columbia edu rdc cunixf cc columbia edu robert d castro writes hello all on my bike i have hazard lights both front and back turn signals flash since i live in nj and commute to nyc there are a number of tolls one must pay on route just before arriving at a toll booth i switch the hazards on i do thisto warn other motorists that i will be taking longer than the seconds to make the transaction taking gloves off getting money out of coin changer pocket making transaction putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll i also notice that when i do this cagers tend to get the message and usually go to another booth my question is this a good bad thing to do any others tend to do the same just curious o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o rob castro email rdc cunixf cc columbia edu live for today kz ltd phone for today you live dod nyc new york new york usa rc tm beleive it or not ny state once considered eliminating tolls for motor cycles based simply on the fact that motos clog up toll booths but then mario realized the foolishness of trading a few hundred k s a year for some relief in traffic congestion too bad he won t take that sumpreme court justice job i thought we might be rid of him forever matt dennie internet mmd wbst v xerox com xerox corporation rochester ny usa reaching consensus in a group often is confused with finding the right answer norman maier
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guzzi t tires plus fairing question i have a question about tires for my guzzi it is a t the tires that were on it when i just bought it are old and cracked i do not have an owners manual for it yet but the tires listed in the haynes manual are front h rear h and pressures recommended are front and rear oddly the pressure for the same tire on the t is listed at psi instead anyone know the reason as i know though the pressure i should run at is that recommended by the manufacturer of the new tires i purchase the real question i have is this the old tires that are on the bike are for the front a metzler touring special h and for the rear an avon roadrunner h h as marked on each tire both are larger than that listed in the haynes manual what does the owners manual recommend and was it common to go up one size for this bike also this will be my first motorcycle with innertubes any comments on the various manufacturers inner tube qualities the above sizes are inches except for the additional mark on the current rear tire what is the best metric match the local bmw dealer thought h on the front and h on the back he also happens to be very good at getting close to matching mail order prices i am thinking of going with a metzler me laser possibly comp k on the front and me on the back both in mbs variety if possible the longer lasting belting system i already use the me on both the vision and fj for the front and like it and i thought that with the shaft drive behavior and torque from the guzzi that the me might give more predictable back end control and sliding behavior than a me might as well as giving much better tire milage life any comments a friend told me he thought that my bike had boranni rims which are very good but are relatively soft and have delicate sidewalls i do not wish to mount the tires myself this first time so aside from warning the shop to be careful any other comments i should make i havn t looked at the rim to check out the make yet if it is marked he just told me late yesterday and i havn t had a chance to check the rim type on another note i will remove the ugly but in good shape anyone want it vetter fairing and i will run without a windscreen for a while but eventually i would like a simple rounded cafe style quarter fairing for it it could be fork handlebar mounted any suggestions is there such a thing as a frame mounted quarter fairing of the cafe style for this bike how about lower bars clip ons for it i would like to restore the bike into a good condition runner with a few modern updates but while not being historically exactly accurate still have it reflect relatively well a representation of the cafe style yes i know to be picky that period really predates this bike it is just that this bike has such potential for that look edward walsh hewlett packard company edw boi hp com disk memory division ms p o box boise idaho fj xz rj vision guzzi t dod edward walsh hewlett packard company edw boi hp com disk memory division ms p o box boise idaho fj xz rj vision guzzi t dod
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sabbatical and future flames so i begin my week sabbatical in about minutes six wonderful weeks of riding and no phones or email i won t have any way to check mail or setup a vacation agent no sh t though i can dial in and get newsfeed dont ask so if there are any outstanding cfc s or such things please try my compuserve address compuserve com anybody wants to do some weekday rides around the ba send me a mail to above or post here i ll be thinking about all of you stuck if front of your terminals sheeyaahhh and monkeys might fly out of my butt ride safe dave sense ain t common dave warner opinions unlikely to be shared ama hog dod by my employer or anyone else dwarner sceng ub com signature on file dwarner milo ub com compuserve com fxsts t stolen
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re boom dog attack in article clarke bdrc bd com clarke bdrc bd com richard clarke writes final trajectory too bad it didn t notice the car approaching at mph from the other direction i got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend s noggin careening off the front bumper smacking the asphalt and getting runover by the front tire it managed a pretty good yelp just before impact peripheral imminent doom i guess the driver didn t see me or they probably would have swerved into my lane the squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back home but i haven t seen it since same thing to me everyday the same dog would chase my bicycle the owners thought it was cute even after i got the moto the stupid dog would do the same thing then one day i was coming home in the opposite lane the fluff with teeth ran to get me and played momentum sharing with a dodge pick the owners tried to blame me for driving down street when i did i lived in a wierd town the beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca rz seca suzuki seca turbo v sabre gts can t afford the mbeaving bnr ca parking spaces we don t need no steenkin parking spaces
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re insurance and lotsa points in article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu andrew infante writes well it looks like i m f cked for insurance i had a dwi in and for the beemer as a rec vehicle it ll cost me almost bucks to insure year now what do i do go bikeless you drink and drive you pay no smiley mike beavington mbeaving bnr ca opinions are my own and not my companies
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re ok so i was a little hasty in article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu andrew infante writes apparently that last post was a little hasy since i called around to more places and got quotes for less than and liability only of course plus one palced will give me c c for my car liab on the bike for only total which ain t bad at all so i won t go with the first place i called that s fer sure nevertheless dwi is f ckin serious hope you ve got some brains now mike beavington mbeaving bnr ca these opinions are my own and not my companies
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re bikes vs horses was re insect impac in a previous article egreen east sun com ed green pixel cruncher says in article sda usenet ins cwru edu ai cleveland freenet edu mike sturdevant writes the only people who train for years to jump a horse feet are equistrian posers who wear velvet tails and useless helmets which as it turns out is just about everybody that s serious about horses what a bunch of weenie fashion nerds and the helmets suck i m wearing my shoei mountain bike helmet fuck em or i m permanently injured oops too late nah i can still walk unaided go fast take chances mike s
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do splitfires help spagthorpe diesels in article c jf djr news cso uiuc edu wcd uxa cso uiuc edu daniel warren c writes earlier i was reading on the net about using splitfire plugs one guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell well i saw one think that someone said about show me a team that used split fires well here s some additional insight and some theories about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and increased power for the x cages well for these guys splitfires now i don t know about all of this and i m trying to catch up with somebody about it now but splitfires should help twins more than splitfires work mainly by providing a more or less unshrouded spark to the combustion chamber if an engine s cylinder head design can benefit from this then the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase most noticeably in lower rpm range torque splitfires didn t do diddly squat for my gmc pickup l v but do give a noticeable performance boost in my harley sportster and my best friend s sportster folks i know who ve tried them in evo motors can t tell any performance boost over plain plugs which is interesting since the xlh and big twin evo combustion chambers are pretty much the same shape just different sizes two of my friends who have shovelhead harleys swear by the splitfires but if i had a shovelhead i d dual plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make the machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense plus they look really cool with a spark plug on each side of each head neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson tx doh o neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaimer my opinions are mine not computrac s let us learn to dream gentlemen and then perhaps we shall learn the truth august kekule
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re definition of two up so following that logic could you describe two down as the transition period between two up and coming to rest after a high or low side otherwise it sounds pretty good richard pierson e vnet or perhaps it s referring to the wife and child sitting in the sidecar next to the one up on the moto anyone ever heard of a game called oneup onedown it s a drinking game for all you older folx andy infante you can listen to what everybody says but the fact remains bmw r that you ve got to get out there and do the thing yourself dod joan sutherland my opinions dammit have nothing to do with anyone else
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re rim needed in article apr news columbia edu twang cunixf cc columbia edu tony wang writes in article news duke edu infante acpub duke edu andrew infante writes in article apr walter bellcore com pgoudas gomer bellcore com paul goudas writes also is there a law or something that requires nyc to keep it s street empty of potholes greater than a certain depth i rather my bike hahahahahaahahha whahwuhuhahuah that s a good one really stop i can t breathe bite your tongue those of us who actually ride in nyc on a daily basis could not live without those potholes it ll ruin the flavor it s not enough just to dodge taxis buses pedistrians bicycle messengers and bdi s on a block by block basis those potholes always makes for that sudden randomness that makes it all so much fun besides where else can you think of that allows you to constantly test your panic braking shocks and dirt riding abilities all on city streets you smooth asphalt canyon carvers don t know what you re missing i was laughing about the law part i ve driven thru soho manahattan i know what you re talking bout not that durham nc is any better well maybe a little bit anyway but the nc dot takes more money from road taxes and puts it in their own pockets and into the pockets of the guys building the large condos that need their own roads than they do back into fixing roads but hey the local paper did a report of this last summer and boy am i glad i don t work for the dot cause they got shat on bigtime wonder who lost their jobs ed got any idea andy infante you can listen to what everybody says but the fact remains bmw r that you ve got to get out there and do the thing yourself dod joan sutherland my opinions dammit have nothing to do with anyone else
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re aerostitch or piece in article apr vax cit cornell edu na vax cit cornell edu writes request for opinions which is better a one piece aerostitch or a two piece aerostitch like most everyone else i ended up getting two different sizes for the top and bottom my top is a l and the bottom is a l for the bottom the waist is far too large but the thighs fit just right the had a better waist but cut off the circulation in my legs i have large muscular thighs and no i didn t use the thighmaster to get them the jacket fits me ok in the chest slightly snug at the waist and too small in the arms i can t imagine finding a one piece size that would have fit correctly as even the piece has it s problems strange since my v pilot jacket fits great all over and when i tried the matching pants they fit like a glove as well i can only assume the models aero design uses to design its suits are in some way different from us real folks also even though it s related to convienience you look pretty damn wierd walking around with the tops and bottoms while running errands i ve gotten some really suspicious looks and sweated a lot while in a store wearing the whole suit since you can t fit the top and bottom in any motorcycle storage device yet devised except the trunk in my sidecar rig with the two piece i unzip the pants i generally leave the two pieces zipped together primarily because the pants fall down unless i pull the cheesy elastic belt type band real tight stuff them in one of my spacious bmw saddlebags the pants just fit and run errands just wearing the jacket actually if i know i ll be running errands i just wear my v pilot jacket but that s just me as far as crash protection i d say that both suits are probably equal it seems that for weather protection if anything the piece provides a little more because of the jacket overlapping the pants by inches the piece is probably a little less comfortable around the waist just because of the extra layer of stuff but maybe not so i d have to vote for the two piece despite the slightly odd fit i still find the suit the most versatile piece of riding clothing i own wouldn t go long distance without it ken wallich wallich ncd com ken wallich com kmw al org decwrl vixie amber ken ken wallich wallich ncd com ken wallich com kmw al org decwrl vixie amber ken
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re changing sprocket ratios honda cb karish gondwana stanford edu chuck karish writes that s a twin cam right yep i think it s the only cb with a chain after years it s finally stretching into the replace zone honda s don t have the widest of power bands sigh i know i know clayton t brooks from the heart cbrooks ms uky edu pot u o ky of the blue cbrooks ukma bitnet lex ky grass and rutgers uunet ukma cbrooks bourbon country ama nma maa ams acbl dod
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re bike advice ummm did you have any bikes other than that kx if not i d suggest you look for an zx since they only have about horsepower whereas the has over and might be a bit much for you sincerely nathaniel zx dod ama
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re riceburner respect in article apr research nj nec com behanna syl nj nec com chris behanna writes on a completely different tack what was the eventual outcome of babe vs the bad mouthed biker i thought i posted this last year the women came to court with three witnesses the two women that were in the car and one neighbor that heard me shouting my lawyer didn t like the odds since there were multiple complaints both ways and the judge had a history of finding everyone guilty of at least something so he convinced us she came without a lawyer to drop everything the net result was a laywer bill for me and court costs for her the only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the while is not quite one week s beer money for me roid
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re riceburner respect in article c qqxp ie cbmvax cbm commodore com hartzler cbmvax cbm commodore com jerry hartzler cats writes duck squids don t wave or return waves ever even to each excuse me for being an ignoramus but what are these edu breaths with more riceburner than brain roid
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re motorcycle detailing tip re rubbing compound you mean meguire s didn t work the dod magic elixir of choice for plastic stuff ron miller dod
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re cobra locks greetings netters steve writes about cobra locks well i have the mother of all locks on friday the th of april i took possesion of a cobra links lock diameter this was a special order i weighs a lot i had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder after about two blocks i have currently a kryptonite rock lock through the front wheel a hd padlock for the steering lock a master padlock to lock the cover to two front spokes and the cobra links through the rear swing arm and around a post in an underground parking garage next friday the th i have an appointment to have an alarm installed on me bike when i travel the cobra links and the cover and padlock stay at home by the way i also removed the plastic mesh that is on the cobra links and encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes two of them i got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the cobra links the guys were really great and didn t mark up the price of the lock much and the inner tubes were free later fxstc rock n roll mike mychalkiw hog ryerson polytechnical institute dod just this side of hell academic computing information centre doh just the other side email acad ryevm ryerson ca
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extraordinary footpeg engineering okay dod ers here s a goddamn mystery for ya today i was turning a degree corner just like on any other day but there was a slight difference a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very tangible thunk i pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage my bike is a kawasaki gpx r with footpegs that are hinged and sprung such that they fold upward and backward on contact with ground etc and on the lower extreme corner of each peg there is mounted a bank follower or a little stud that theoretically is the first bit to hit the ground in a banked turn the stud is mounted on the footpeg by a threaded bit about mm long which screws into a threaded hole in the footpeg now for the mystery the stud on the side of the bike that clunked when i turned was absent i m fairly sure it was there before the event there was no damage to the end of the footpeg where the stud would ordinarily have been in fact the thread in the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact with no evidence of something having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously okay all you engineering types how the f k do you explain this how can you rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole in alloy without damaging the thread in the hole is this some sort of hi tech design thingo that kawasaki never mentioned like that the end of the footpeg suddenly changes phase on impact to let the stud rip out then changes back to a solid i m quite amazed at how this could have happened in the meantime life goes on without a left hand bank follower barry manor dod confused accidental peg scraper
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re dogs vs bikes dogs will chase anything that moves i have two dogs and they love chasing me when i ride off they will also chase any car that passes running along the footpath sidewalk at up to kph they don t seem to go after trucks though the size difference must be a factor it also works in my favour though i can exercise them quite easily by riding mile up the road and back a few times ja s minyos rmit oz au
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kawasaki zx engine needed i m looking for a kawasaki zx engine just the engine no intake exhaust ignition etc preferably in the central texas area but we haven t had much luck around here so we ll take whatever we can get please reply via mail or call if you have one or more really need a spare thanx jonathan lusky lusky ccwf cc utexas edu turbos are nice but i d rather be blown jeep wrangler for sale rx a holley bbl camaro rs spd
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forsale yamaha seca turbo i don t want to do this but i need money for school this is a very snappy bike it needs a little work and i don t have the money for it some details miles mitsubishi turbo not asthetically beautiful but very fast one of the few factory turboed bikes not a kit must see and ride to appreciate how fun this bike is i am asking or best offer the bike can be seen in bennington vermont e mail for more info thanks chris santac rpi edu
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bmw k s for sale miles black leather tank bra tank bag corbin seat metzler b tires garaged and pampered i can t afford to continue paying nyc garage fees for two bikes so one of em has to go best offer above takes it stephen manes manes magpie linknet com manes and associates new york ny usa o o
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re info on sport cruisers in article fonhvm wb e huxb andrew cmu edu jae cmu edu writes i m looking for a sport cruiser factory installed fairings full half hard saddle bags cc and above and all that and still has that sporty look i particularly like the r rs and k rt or s or any of the k series bmw bikes i was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being produced by companies other than bmw the honda st was designed by honda in germany originally for the european market as competition for the bmw k series check it out tony tony kidson pgp key by request voice morgan towers the cat has had to move now e mail in order morgan road as i ve had to take the top tony morgan demon co uk bromley off of the machine tny cix compulink co uk england br qe honda st dod compuserve com
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re misc buying info needed in article apr hamp hampshire edu jyaruss hamp hampshire edu writes is there a buying guide for new used motorcycles that lists reliability how to go about the buying process what to look for etc cycle world puts one out but i m sure it s not very objective try talking with dealers and the people that hang out there as well as us we love to give advice is there a pricing guide for new used motorcycles blue book most of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos ask for the one with rvs in it are there any books articles on riding cross country motorcycle camping etc couldn t help you here is there an idiots guide to motorcycles you re reading it cliff weston dod seca ii tem the female body is a beautiful work of art while the male body is lumpy and hairy and should not be seen by the light of day
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re accident report in article jun prl philips nl mcardle prl philips nl owen mcardle writes in article ranck vtvm cc vt edu ranck vtvm cc vt edu wm l ranck writes in article jun bcrka bnr ca whitton bnr ca mark whitton writes it turns out that the trailer lights were not hooked up to the truck yep basic rule never expect or believe turn signals completely around here and many other places people just don t signal at all and sometimes the signals aren t working sometimes they get left on the scary bit about this is the is the non availability of rear lights at all now living in the netherlands i ve learned that the only reliable indicators are those red ones which go on at both sides at once some people call them brake lights once they light up expect anything to occur in front of you it s not just the dutch though however i never realised how much i relied on this until i got caught a few times behind someone whose lights didn t work at all once i d sussed it out it wasn t so bad knowing it is half the battle but it s a great way to find out that you ve been following someone too closely now i try to check for lights all the time cos that split second can make all the difference though it shouldn t be necessary i know owen what used to peeve me in canada was the cars with bloody red rear indicators you d see a single red light come on and think now is he stopping but one brake lamp is not working or does he have those dumb bloody red rear indicators this being survival you have to assume he s braking and take the appropriate actions until such time as the light goes out and on again after which you can be reasonably certain it s a bloody red rear indicator ivan reid paul scherrer institute ch ivan cvax psi ch gsx f rg wd si you porsche me pass dod
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spring records the orioles pitching staff again is having a fine exhibition season four shutouts low team era well i haven t gotten any baseball news since march but anyways could they contend yes could they win it all maybe but for all those fans of teams with bad spring records remember earl weaver s first law of baseball from his book on managing no one gives a damn in july if you lost a game in march btw anyone have any idea on the contenders for the o s fifth starter it s pretty much set that sutcliffe mussina mcdonald and rhodes are the first four in the rotation here at johns hopkins university where the mascot is the blue jay their baseball team logo was the toronto club s logo now it s a anatomically correct blue jay god can t they think of an original idea it s even in the same pose as the baltimore oriole on the o s hats how many people realize that the bird is really called a baltimore oriole admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society from red dwarf polymorph the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings
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re eck vs rickey was re rickey s whining again in article blue cis pitt edu genetic pitt edu david m tate writes i ve read all of the followups to this but i thought i d go back to the original article to make specific comments about the method jao megatest com john oswalt said he has obtained the play by play records in computer readable form for every major league baseball game for the past several years he devised an algorithm which i call sum over situations and wrote a computer program to calculate every major league players contribution using it it works like this look at every situation in every game in a baseball season a situation is determined by inning score where the baserunners are and how many outs there are for each situation count how many times the team eventually won the game that the situation occured in and divide by the number of times the situation came up to come up with a value for that situation this was first done by george lindsey in the late s early s and reported in article an investigation of strategies in baseball author george r lindsey journal operations research issue volume july august pp later pete palmer did the same thing using simulated seasons to generate a larger set of data to avoid the kind of small sample anomalies that other people have worried about he reported this in the hidden game of baseball with john thorn gary skoog modified the method a bit and did some work on what he called a value added measure based on these situational values his were based directly on marginal runs though not on win probabilities these results as applied to the season were reported in one of the bill james baseball abstract books help me out here somebody for example a situation might be inning score runner on second and no outs there were regular season major league games last year with the rockies and marlins there will be more this year say this situation came up in of those and the team ahead won of them then the value of this situation is description of method look at change in win probability based on the at bat plus any baserunning and credit debit the player by that amount each time he gets a plate appearance now for each player sum up all his at bat and base running values for the season to obtain an overall value for that player obviously the sum of all players values for each game and for the season as a whole will be that s only because you always credit x to the batter and x to the pitcher there s no validation involved ok there s a very big problem here that nobody has yet commented on you re adding probabilities and probabilities don t add runs you can add the total team runs breaks down into how many runs joe contributed plus how many runs fred contributed etc but probabilities don t work that way if bob increases his team s chance of winning by in each of pas that does not mean that bob increased his team s chance of winning by in fact it doesn t mean anything because the units are screwy i agree and disagree john is saying that the batters efforts will result in more wins then losses while you are probably correct that does not mean more wins then losses it means something i would rather have a player who increased my teams chances of winning by in each of pas then i would a player who increased my chances of winning by in each of pas thus there appears to me to be an obvious positive association between john s statistic and winning games thus before you disregard this stat it appears to me that further study must go into what sort of relationship there is consider an example bob hits a out solo hr in the bottom of the first about on your scale he does the same thing again in the fourth with the score tied for another and again in the seventh with the score tied for another and finally in the ninth to win the game by a score of for a value of bob hit solo hr in plate appearances and was credited by your method with but what does that mean was bob responsible for the win certainly not the defense is always responsible if you include pitching in that and bob wasn t pitching in fact bob was only of the offense which is a lot but not even close to furthermore what about the other team runs say they all came on solo hr by fred then fred was hitting hr to tie up the game which are just as valuable as hr to take the lead see lindsey and fred will himself have accrued a good rating or so so fred and bob combined have amassed of a win in one game there s clearly a problem here the only problem here is an insistance that these number mean exactly how many wins the team has first we are using averages over many seasons and applying them to one game second remember some players performance take away from the chance of you winning that is a player who gets an out gets a negative probability in most cases thus i m not sure in any given game when you add up all the numbers for a team who won that they will add up to in that game sometimes they will add up to more then one sometime less than one also the pitchers bad performances giving up runs may have given them a large negative percentage for that game also any batter that pulled an night would give large negatives greg thinking about the right things but his intuition is off the mark closers are enormously important the total number of runs value is outweighed by when they come or are prevented from comming the doubling which greg allows is not enough in another article i proposed a test of this we can predict a team s won lost record quite accurately by looking at how many runs total they score and allow without regard to when those runs score in the game if late runs are really more important than early runs then looking only at late runs should lead to a better predictor right no but really only because you have a smaller sample size i would think however that the number of runs you score in the first inning would be just as good as a prediction as how many runs you score in the last inning and realize something else a closer usually comes in in a close situation not a blow out it is hard to argue that any runs that a closer gives up in a game have equal importance to those given up in the first inning look a closer giving up runs often means a team will lose many games on the other hand a starter who gives up runs often still leaves his team a chance to win the offence has many more outs to do something about but i am not saying all late inning situations are equally important either if i am down runs in the ninth it really does not matter how many runs my pitcher gives up in the ninth here s another thought experiment apply this method to basketball what you find is that points scored in the first half of the game have almost exactly no value because no lead is safe with an entire half yet to play furthermore the sub in off the bench who sinks the winning free throws with no time on the clock gets a for the game while the star forward who scored points in the first half before spraining his ankle gets a zero does this make sense no but why would you assume that the teams probability of winning would be before the possesion in which the free throws were made look if you are down point with seconds left there is a fairly high probability that you will win the game if you are in possesion of the ball and do not forget that somebody elses missed shots turnovers fouls bad defense etc caused a negative chance that the team would win from reading all of the discussion on this statistic i feel that those who critisize it to a certain extent are doing so out of an agenda at first look this statistic valadates clutchness but it really does not cluthness revolves around the idea that certain players in crucial situation elevate their performance and others performance goes down i ve never seen convincing proof that this really happens so if you assume there is no clutchness then that means that except for a lot of noice this statistic has a positive association to player performance there is a way to get rid of the noice if you do not believe in clutchness certainly we could find out what the average value of a home run is for example we may find for instance that a home run increases your chance of winning by on average while a strikeout decreases your chance of winning by i bet if this were done we would find that this statistic was just as good as other statistics we have for predicting wins and losses how do we evaluate relief pitchers say john and sam have the exact same pitching statistics runs earned runs k s bb s etc both had exceptional numbers john however only pitched in closer situations while sam was a mop up man who was more valuble to their team probably john who was the better pitcher they were probably about the same brian smith
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re no joke rockies have attendance record hell the orioles opening day game could easily be the largest in history if we had a stadium with seats but unfortunely the yards a definitely excellent ballpark only holds like with sro spots ticket sales for the entire year is moving fast bleacher seats are almost gone for every game this year it s a extremely likelyhood that the o s could sell out every game this year especially if we lead the division for most of the year like on another front the sale of the orioles to anyone is likely to be forced upon eli jacobs who is major debt apparently maybe we can get an owner willing to spend on a proven rightfielder free agent in the winter fernando has made the o s as the fifth starter the o s pitching staff looks pretty good sutcliffe mussina mcdonald rhodes and fernando baltimore is my pick for the victors in a very competitive al east admiral steve c liu internet address admiral jhunix hcf jhu edu committee for the liberation and intergration of terrifying organisms and their rehabilitation into society from red dwarf polymorph the bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed this sig has been brought to you by frungy the sport of kings second to last day of the season gregg the true wild thing olson uncorks a wild pitch allowing the blue jays to tie blue jays win in the th and ends the baby birds miracle season of
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players overpaid there s a lot of whining about how much players are overpaid i thought i d put together an underpaid team that could win a pennant i splurged and let four of the players earn as much as half a million dollars the highest paid player is frank thomas at k i cut some players like kenny lofton chris hoiles keith mitchell tim wakefield and a bunch of pitchers all of whom could have arguably made the team better at a cost of million for the lot of them the total team salary is averaging slightly over k a player if that s too steep you can dump thomas and bagwell replacing them with paul sorrento and a minimum wager to save a bit over a million dollars and still have one of the best teams in the majors p juan guzman p mussina p castillo p eldred p rhodes p militello rp rojas rp beck rp melendez rp hernandez rp nied c rodriguez c piazza b thomas b bagwell b knoblauch b barberie b gomez b palmer ss listach ss pena lf gonzalez cf lankford rf r sanders of plantier ted frank however teel should have mentioned that though thf kimbark uchicago edu his advice is legally sound if you follow it the u of c law school you will probably wind up in jail standard disclaimers james donald in misc legal
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re rickey henderson in article apr ra msstate edu js isis msstate edu jiann ming su writes i say buy out henderson s contract and let him go bag groceries next season you ll be able to sign him for nothing that goes for any bitching ball player i doubt henderson would clear waivers and if he did he would instantly be signed for the major league minimum with oakland picking up the remaining million tab some gms value on field performance too valentine
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giants win the pennant giants win the pennant giants win the pennant gi ooops i guess i m a little early here see you in october
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re minnesota pitching in article snelson uwsuper edu snelson uwsuper edu scott r nelson writes the rotation has changed due to a strange injury to scott erickson he developed a twinge in the stomach area and has been taken out of the rotation new rotation to the best of my mind s knowledge is kevin tapani jim deshais pat mahomes willie banks add mike trombley in there somewhere since they need five people mark guthrie will remain in the bullpen as the long lefty as to ss and b short will be played by scott leius who played short for much of his career before the twins at third mike pagliarulo and jeff reboulet will platoon pags and terry jorgenson will platoon at third with reboulet as the backup infielder pags looked pretty miserable yesterday for a guy who lead the league in da in muffing what should be routine grounders heck muffing a grounder i would probably have gotten to jorgenson did nothing exceptional that i noticed leius missed a ball i think gagne would have reached we will certainly miss gag s glove this season winfield has struggled during preseason sunday against the colorado rockies he went for with rbis and scored once he looked pretty good there contrary to what the mediots have been saying he looked reasonable at first he isn t mid s hrbek but then neither is the pretty big guy himself any more note i m used to seeing the twins b looking kinda big on the field but not that big if he hits vaguely like last year he s a perfectly good first baseman note much of this posting is from personal observation yesterday in a game where the regulars were mostly pulled after several innings winfield may have big holes in his defensive game that didn t show up he didn t have to pick any bad throws for example but i ll take what i saw so far david thornley have tickets will travel to dome
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brewers injuries hi all i ve been locked in a small closet chained to a lab bench for the last week or two without access to really important information i saw the million shoulder back on the dl how long is he out for i e how many millions inning will he get this year nothing personal against higuera mind you just wondering how bud can keep coffing up money for him when he lets current big producers go over a relative pittance please realize the term relative pittance can only be used with sarcasm when discussing baseball salaries additional questions i did nt get to see bones pitch this spring how is he looking and where is he going to fit in the rotation how is surhoff shaping up defensively at third are they going to build a new stadium when tom
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binaca blast deep drive derby bbddd returns in article piisn asq network ucsd edu king cogsci ucsd edu jonathan king writes a less well publicized part of the now infamous darrin jackson for derek bell trade was the fact that san diego included in the deal even less publicized than this however was that the didn t come from the padres but from an un named source and that the money didn t go to the blue jays in toronto the money was diverted into a london bank account owned by a shadowy character named vincent gray i should be so lucky the account number must have been rejected the odd thing was that gray wasn t some british financier but a canadian social scientist working at the university of western ontario gray was previously known to the authorities only as an associate of john palmer and as the man who had the previous year discovered the true tater name of bing bang ben macdonald to be accurate it is big bang ben macdonald soon after that gray and palmer sent word to ottawa that canada had achieved absolute superiority over the united states in the field of baseballistic research as she controlled both the acker cook pitch alike contest and the binaca blast research institute the prime minister smiled i hope not to think that i would inadvertantly give any pleasure to mulroney really ruins my day ps matthew wall a marvellous ending to the section on the expos okay so i m not giving up the day job but in an effort to help me keep the day job i ve managed to foist the job of running the binaca blast deep drive derby onto vince gray to whom future deep drive related tidbits should be sent vince sscl uwo ca or vince vaxi sscl uwo ca please identify any messages with the subject line bbddd vince can take this post as the cue to chime in about what he plans to do as the new director of the research institute and what kind of body armor ontarians are wearing this spring meanwhile i have to go pick up that truckload of denis boucher cards i bought to fill in the area behind our tool shed jking realizing the taterific importance of this work john palmer and i concluded that we might be able to pool some resources i have not yet gone through the archives that jonathan sent to me when i do i will send out an official introduction to the deep drive derby however i wonder if we need to rename the project now that the principal investigator and research archive have changed send your suggestions for a rename of the study to me at the address given above and just think it s opening day soon the balls will be flying out no get your minds out of the gutter of the ball parks and helpless bystanders will be injured by balls reentering the atmosphere and you thought that meteorite showers were made of rocks who will be the stars this year can anyone hope to combat brad arnsberg s record start to last year the season is young the balls newly rubbed in mud the hot dogs starting to boil for the rest of the year play ball and take cover and may all your sliders hang vince
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re designated hitter rule in article ekdfc ttacs ttu edu ekdfc ttacs ttu edu david coons writes in article apr bsu ucs ecgillespi leo bsuvc bsu edu writes i am doing a postition paper on the designated hitter rule any information or even opinions would be greatly apprecitated ecgillespie magic should be rescinded the rules say baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each let s keep it that way last weeks sports illustrated has a couple of big articles on the designated hitter it is the baseball issue th is weeks sports illustrated
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atas n l games standings of all philadelphia at chicago teams tied for st after sunday dick redding battled chet brewer in the first game of a dramatic four game series one friday one saturday and a good old sunday doubleheader what could be better declared ernie banks perhaps the fact that the cubs are challenging it s pitching it s always been pitching that we ve lacked announced ryne sandberg if we can get by brewer then beat carlton alexander or bunning preferrably of the last three we ll know we might be able to win lord i hope we pull it off the phils scored once in the top of the first richie ashburn singled pete rose followed with a hit sending ashburn around second kiki cuyler cut the ball off in left center and threw a bullet in to ernie banks who threw to ron santo to get ashburn at third rose went to second on the play christobel torrienti lifted a long fly to center moving pete rose to third schmidt was walked the cubs were absolutely refusing to let him beat them both torrienti and schmidt will likely draw walks this year chuck klein is starting to hit very well and he lashed a double into a gap in right center cool papa bell s speed allowed him to cut the ball off and prevent schmidt from scoring nellie fox was walked and bob boone grounded out to second ending the threat teams are starting to realize that you don t have to pitch to schmidt or torrienti and that is lowering their run total it puts a lot of pressure on klein and dick allen who platoons with chuck klein and occasionally spells rose at first and it s a credit to the phillies that they ve been able to sustain their pace the picthers have slumped at times so came the analysis from frank chance the cubs got that run back when bell bunted for a hit thomas grounder moved him to second and after sandberg made out billy williams singled home a run in the sixth ron santo launched a two run homer to make it dick redding got in trouble in the eighth as schmidt singled and klein singled him to third ed reulbach entered to face fox but dick allen popped out of the dugout to hit allen doubled to right but luckily for the cubs williams had moved to left and andre dawson had been inserted for defense he fired a bullet to home plate to keep klein at third lance parrish hitting for boone was walked and bruce sutter entered larry bowa grounded into a double play but ed delahanty walked as a pinch hitter desiring a strikeout since ashburn was likely to attempt a bunt hit with the quick trillo pinch running at third chance brought in lee smith who induced a pop up to the catcher from the speedy centerfielder ending the inning the cubs took the win moving a game behind the phillies steve carlton was called upon to battle finger brown saturday to get another righthander in the lineup ron santo moved to first and bill madlock played third unfortunately brown allowed six doubles and the cub bullpen was worn down even more as the cubs tried to maintain a lead against lefty madlock batting sixth had knocked two doubles of his own driving home four runs gabby hartnett hit two home runs and cuyler added another and the score was cubs after six innings the phillie bullpen had more troubles in the bottom of the eighth as the cubs grabbed more runs to ice an triumph sunday s twin bill saw cool papa bell gather seven straight hits at one point including a rare outside the park home run in the second game off robin roberts grover alexander of the phils took the first contest but the cubs captured the second one with waddell gaining the win bruce sutter tossed two innings for the save though he allowed one run in the eighth the cardinals stood half a game behind these co leaders and would conclude their series with the expos on monday montreal at st louis august way tie for st dennis martinez is on a roll and he continued it versus john tudor friday the expos have a wide variety of hitters and while they aren t among the all time greats they are getting the job done after winning their first first two games they suddenly found themselves only games out of first in this wacky season martinez triumphed on friday and williams outdueled dizzy dean saturday however the cardinals refused to give up winning on sunday the cards captured monday s game too as steve carlton outdueled steve rogers we re really good against ground ball pitchers because of our team speed remarked lou brock i don t see why we can t win this division the phillies and cubs may have some reasons for them two thirds of the way through the season there is a way tie for first new york at pittsburgh august straight wins for bucs now back but in th when your team is in a slump like we are the worst thing is to play in a pitcher s park like this spoke gil hodges before the series keith hernandez added that their defense takes away quite a few runs per year and it must be giving them an extra wins the pirates have made only errors all season ahead of the second place dodgers error totals tend to be around for the best defensive all time teams rube foster defeated sid fernandez friday and candelaria outshone seaver saturday in a game featuring some outstanding defense when nolan ryan and two relivers hit the mets in another win sunday the pirates could once again look forward to a victory getting them back to the mark they had been unable to several times in the past month bert blyleven met dwight gooden in the afternoon game both pitchers possessed fantastic stuff and the only runs scored through eight innings were on home runs a solo shot by rusty staub of the mets and a two run blast by ralph kiner for the pirates the mets darryl strawberry singled home a run in the top of the ninth off jesse orosco working his second inning after mookie wilson pinch ran for gary carter at second with one out and a runner on first lee mazilli was sent in to pinch hit the pirates countered with kent tekulve placing him in the fifth spot in the order and putting barry bonds in left field as the ninth place hitter tekulve induced a groundout forcing strawberry at second he slid hard into honus wagner preventing the pirates from turning their fifth double play of the afternoon tekulve allowed a hit but clemente threw mazilli out at third from near the right field line ending the inning tug mcgraw relieved randy myers who entered to pitch the eighth and got one out before bonds launched a rocket to deep center running through the stop sign at third to score an inside the park homer to win the pirates had scored an improbable straight wins and had moved to within games of first place with seven weeks to go san francisco at boswaukta august another sunday doubleheader appeared on the schedule as the giants managed to close the gap on the other teams thanks to some starting pitching that just wouldn t tire in fact reported manager john mcgraw once this rough part of the schedule is over maybe as early as this coming week we may shift to a man rotation again for a little while juan marichal continued his hot pitching friday beating lew burdette and the braves willie mays had all four r b i s on hits rick reuschel faced joe niekro saturday in a slugfest the braves park had been a homer haven but this took the cake as the giants won a seesaw affair willie mays had three homers willie mccovey eddie matthews and don baylor had two and hank aaron ernie lombardi biz mackey and mel ott had one each the braves had collected home runs going into sunday s doubleheader putting them on a pace for which would be short of the national league record they were still a tad behind the yankees pace they had allowed over though vida blue actually got the win after retiring batters in the fifth he allowed only a run in the sixth but faltered in the seventh joe mcginnity earned the save in the doubleheader the braves hoyt wilhelm failed to hold a lead in the first game but hank aaron homered off bill foster in the eighth as the braves won the giants took the second game however by a score the homer by aaron was a magical by the braves however they fell to three game below making a comeback extremely unlikely san diego at cincinnati aug randy jones faced ewell blackwell in the first of this game series and the padres felt rather good with don mattingly straining his back in the last cleveland game the trade looked even better mcgriff s batting average was even rising of course the bench was very poor and joe gordon was only adequate in the outfield but these were minor problems since the pitching was holding up jones pitched a good game friday and won mcgriff launched two home runs mel harder earned a win with the help of mark davis and ray narleski saturday was the final score tom candiotti battled satchel paige to a tie through eight innings before departing the game was scoreless for more innings until the thirteenth paige had departed after and john franco hurled a scoreless inning tom browning was working his second scoreless inning when dave winfield doubled with one out and joe gordon was pitched around thurm munson doubled both runners home and the padres gamed a win the three game sweep had pulled the giants into a tie with the reds though the reds denied it the highly emotional series with the dodgers may have taken too much out of them brookangeles at houston august another series capped off by a weekend doubleheader took place in the wide open plains of the astrodome the astros sent joe niekro to the hill in the first game opposite don drysdale normally drysdale remarked i would be challenging hitter by being ready to throw at them i can t afford to with this team though we have to get our own runners going we can t afford to let the astros beat us he then winked and said well maybe davis will get decked once the fact that glenn davis leads the team in homers with six is primarily why he would be decked but it should be understood that his current pace would give him nine for the season the hitting on this team is a little better but the power is all doubles and triples still carl furillo is the main reason no astro home runs were hit over the weekend as he threw two runners out trying for inside the park homers for those unaware of the nastness of the astros park they have a foot high gray wall all around the outfield balls must be hit into the seats to be home runs the foul poles are feet from home plate but the alleys are feet away with center field at feet it s as if some three year old threw a tantrum and told his playmates if i can t hit home runs nobody will hit home runs remarked roy campanella the dodgers stole five bases friday but the astros decided to revitalize the baltimore chopping that had failed weeks before for tonight anyway davis jim wynn and jose cruz did not have to mess with their swings according to the manager after poles and willie wells reached base via the baltimore chop drysdale decked jose cruz with a pitch he responded with a two run double but wynn playing first for davis popped up and the astros didn t score any more in that inning they did score in the fourth to erase a deficit and the astros wound up winning they threatened to do even better the next game as tommy john would be their opponent walt alston met privately with the starters at a m before the game i think i know how we can beat the baltimore chop he explained how can we do that pee wee reese wondered they re going to be beating the ball down so we ve got to be ready to throw on the run steve will start at first to dig balls out of the dirt but i want all of you to practice your barehanded picks and throws we ll go with a shallow infield almost the whole time the plan almost worked mike scott allowed only two runs through eight innings but the astros got three two of them scored when bill doran pushed a bunt into the outfield in the fourth with runners on second and third astros was the final with dave smith earning another save the dodgers scored a victory in the first game of the twin bill sunday as nolan ryan walked five three of whom scored in a dodger win fernando valenzuela lost the second game to don sutton however as the dodgers thirteen stolen bases in the series proved to not be enough we re mostly a power team remarked ron cey jackie and when he plays maury wills are our only real speed demons though a couple other plays can do it now and then we re sunk in a place like the astrodome i guess that s why they re so successful there indeed it seems that basestealing teams give them the most trouble in the dome the stros swiped bases in attempts giving them on the season standings after these weekend series a l east team w l gb new york cleveland detroit boston baltimore toronto washington a l west oaksaselphia minnesota chicago kansas city california milwaukee seattle n l east chicago philadelphia st louis pittsburgh montreal new york n l west brookangeles cincinnati san francisco boswaukta houston san diego doug fowler dxf po cwru edu me age now mommys and daddys other ever wonder if after casey relatives have to give lots of hugs love missed the rd strike in the poem support cause heaven is just a great he ran to first and made it big hug that lasts forever and ever
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bill james player rating book dave this has never happened to me before kirsch writes correction nied was the only player identified in this book as a grade a prospect who was exposed to the draft according to bill james in the stop the presses section preceding his player evaluations he valued nied at and said that nied s value does not increase significantly as a result of his selection although he did catch a break getting away from the strongest rotation in baseball i thought bill james latest book completely and totally sucked i bought it but will not purchase anything of his ever again without thoroughly looking at it first what tripe the book is inconsistent and filled with selective analysis james claims to be looking forward and then makes some absolutely bizarre statements of value not only that but i got the impression he probably glanced at the book for about an hour before he put his name on it to say i was disappointed is a grand understatement gary huckabay kevin kerr the al feldstein of the mid s a living argument for if there s anything we love more than a huge existence of parallel sig it s someone quoting lines to add universes or new ones and consecutive posts too
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dodgers newsletter could somebody please tell me if there is a dodgers newsletter on the net and if so how to subscribe thanks joel
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marlins win marlins win i only caught the tail end of this one on espn does anyone have a report look at all that teal bleah david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions it s on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the
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re no joke rockies have attendance record in article apr dvorak amd com twhite mozart amd com tom white writes the highest single game attendance was game of the world series october at the la coliseum white sox over dodgers gate officially largest regular season game again in la for the first game in the city of angels opening day april home opener anyway the rockies might really nail the record the record attendance for a doubleheader is larger but since dh s are all but nonexistent nowadays why bother listing it wasn t there an new york at cleveland game in the late s jhon rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu prediction for marlins wins rockies wins
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re tickets etc let s look at the effects of inflation on s superstars salaries i read once that the babe made one year and that was about as good as it got for him let s assume he made that in i m not sure of the figures but i know i m in the ballpark pun intended today assuming a yearly inflation rate which is an understatement if not accurate his measly salary would be worth fv x x just over assuming inflation is average of around fv x almost i didn t crunch these numbers beforehand these numbers might lead one to believe that today s players are slightly overpaid the babe appears to have made then what today s average to above average players make now perfectly accurate salary year of salary and average inflation rate would make this analysis more accurate but i don t think i m off by much chop chop michael mule michael andre mule georgia institute of technology atlanta georgia uucp decvax hplabs ncar purdue rutgers gatech prism gt e internet gt e prism gatech edu
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re scott erickson in article news duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush writes path news cis umn edu umn edu news feed peachnet edu gatech concert duke news duke edu bchm biochem duke edu from fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush newsgroups rec sport baseball subject scott erickson message id news duke edu date apr gmt sender news news duke edu organization biochemistry lines nntp posting host bruchner biochem duke edu usa today reports that he may be going on the dl arm pains of an unspecified nature further news would be appreciated eric roush fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu i am a marxist of the groucho sort grafitti paris tanstaafl although the internet comes close erickson did go on the day dl with a pulled muscle in his left side near rib cage he is on until no news as to who the twins will bring up kevin hansen mn twin family study university of minnesota khansen staff tc umn edu contact university of minnesota women s basketball theory guides experiment decides izaak m kolthoff
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re espn tbs games in article apr lafibm lafayette edu vb lafibm lafayette edu vb writes does anyone know where i can get a list of nationally televised games such as espn and tbs i live on the east coast and i d like to catch as many giants games as i possibly can this list is published every week in baseball weekly brian curran mead data central brian meaddata com that was not swimming that was bathing a german reporter after watching olympic superstar swimmer mark spitz get badly beaten during a comeback race
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re finnally the phils have support in article c x xa ew news udel edu philly brahms udel edu robert c hite writes in article fjqpau wblm z r andrew cmu edu anuj gupta ag i andrew cmu edu writes everytime i have written on the net about the possibility of a successfuls season by the philadelphia phillies i have gotten ripped from everybody from pittsburgh to calcutta but if all the ignoramouses care to look at this week s baseball weekly they will see that i m not the only one who considers then as division winners the rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well and these guys certainly know what they re talking about every bozo from pittsburgh to calcutta will just have to sit up and take notice this phils team in an offensive juggernaut which is going to score a lot of runs and put up a ton of hits on the scoreboard you people out there are going to be sick of seeing phillies scattered all over every offensive league leaders category in the newspaper these guys hit through spring training well before getting no hit yesterday but they had a plane to catch minutes after the game ended so they re minds weren t in it up to this point i really thought this had been written by a pro sdcn anti mediot poster blessed with a certain talent for sarcasm and biting remarks somebody like me for instance the lurid overstatements were obviously intended to humiliate the original poster now on top of the great offense they have a slightly above average pitching staff which has a lot of youth and promise if the pitchers do their part and mitch keeps blown saves to a minimum look for another pennant out in left field at the vet robert c hite p s michael jack schmidt for commissioner but then the scales were lifted from my eyes looks like robert is really being serious oh well i compare the performance of the phillies with the edition which had outstanding run producers at every position except ss yet finished at a frustrating sub level the folks didn t ever amount to anything and neither will the squad imho any other parallels with previous years teams for this year s editions in the style of braves orioles greg mockingbird franklin interracial mixing encompasses a lot lot more f ccit arizona edu than mingling between g races robohen things one wishes to see the moon flowers the face of a dear one well performed no the furnishings of a tea cottage the real thoughts of one s lover and her letter all famous places
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with a surge in the last two weeks ladies and gentlemen boys and girls lend me your ears for but a moment the national legue eastern division champions will be the philadelphia phillies i one hundred and ten percent guarantee chamberlain hollins dykstra incaviglia jackson williams daulton greene kruk mulholland rivera thompson duncan watch us soar in
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quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb jayson stark i trhink that s him fits perfectly in this category anyone who writes dean palmer has homers at this pace he ll have home runs should be shot if at the end of april he has and anyone writes at this pace he ll have homers they shouldbe shot too bob gaj
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re mike francesa s predictions hmm i thought francesca s predictions always hovered at or below especially in the nfl not counting college football bowl day he s a nice analyst for explaining past tense and for mapping out what plays teams might do but for predicting the future he only looks good whne compared to russo bob gaj
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re finnally the phils have support in article c yxmj ble news udel edu philly bach udel edu robert c hite writes most of tirade deleted i have an editor and know how to use it okay we ve been conservative and added about wins so far now we re adding about more wins thanks to the expansion teams okay thats wins lesse dipshit math genuious hmmm i think thats good enough to win the worse division in baseball next time before you say something foolish get a clue first either this is an example of great sarcasm or i m really really worried dave hung like a jim acker slider kirsch blue jays do it again in kirsch staff tc umn edu new quotes out of context not to beat a dead horse but it s been a couple o weeks this disappoints me punishments discharges jackhammering stephen lawrence
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re young catchers in article blue cis pitt edu genetic pitt edu david m tate writes mss netcom com mark singer said i meant that one should not let the exception make the rule it s not an exception good players come up young most players who come up young will be good this has always been the rule are most players who come up young always good when they re young or later worse it s not a shift this is the way it has always been several detailed studies of this have been done and they ve all shown that players aren t coming up any younger or older than in the past and they aren t playing any more or less in the minors than they used to the only thing that shifts is our memories of the good old days damn i was afraid you would say that but all after the fact which makes it not applicable to the current discussion which is about how you decide whether to play the rookie who hasn t established himself in the majors over the mediocre veteran the padres played santiago that year because they clearly had nobody else worth playing well perhaps if the braves had no one else worth playing this year it would be lopez in there but they do have others worth playing at least in their opinion and i happen to agree both of these young men were highly touted defensive catchers expected to be among the best ever in baseball not by rec sport baseball consensus that may sound like an incredibly arrogant comment but i ve found that the sdcn consensus when one exists is right far more often than the media consensus or the opinions of baseball people affiliated with mlb i can believe that i m a newbie here so i ll take your word but alomar is a fine defensive catcher which was my statement above that is a solid reason for bringing him up at a tender age as long as they feel he can also hit a bit lopez does not have such a consensus about his defensive prowess and imho that is enough to give him that dreaded seasoning i don t know who knows i suppose the same people or similar who know he will be better than some other catcher these are of course just differing opinions i read that his arm is not that strong i suppose somewhere there is some measurement of sb ratios and that he is still learning to call a game that latter skill may be difficult to project on someone without an intimate knowledge of his performance but it is a tangible skill i disagree in that i don t think it is a tangible skill any more than leadership is i don t deny that it is a real skill and that some catchers may be much better than others at it but i really don t see any way that we could ever know who they are nichols s law of catcher defense is eerily accurate far too often for me to take defensive assessments of catchers very seriously sorry new don t know nichols law don t believe in catchers era but i am interested in pitchers eras with different catchers any info on that absolutely the evidence is piling up year after year the only other alternative is that the braves really don t know that their young players are on average better than their current starters i m not ruling out that kind of gross incompetence but i think the salary schedule explanation is more charitable in other words we know more than they do so the only logic behind a different decision than we would make must be financial i presume we feel this way about other franchises than atlanta no consider we know that the braves are about the strongest team in baseball right now even with olson and lemke and nixon and bream in the lineup they have as good a chance of repeating as champs this year as any team ever has it actually makes some sense to say rather than making our team marginally better this year by bringing up the young studs and dumping the elderly let s go ahead and compete this year with what we have and then bring up the studs only as we have to so that we ll still have them under reserve three years from now and beyond when the current team will be collecting pensions is it fair to the young players no does it make organizational sense i think it does well if it does make organizational sense one can hardly fault them for their decisions i mean please don t tell me how to run my business especially when i m being successful c i could make it or wins if you let me bring up lopez s listen bobby i d like to but the way i see it if he hits the big club this year we ll be paying mega arbitration bucks down the road in a couple of years and there s no way i want to do that and continues with we can win without him and then keep winning next year with him how s that i m sure you could be right you could also be smoking some illegal substance hey that s a joke don t get offended please hey i d love to be wrong about this if you think it s unlikely i d love to know why don t cite anybody s innate ethical rectitude though unless you know them personally well i can t cite anyone s ethical rectitude because i don t know what it means but again if it makes organizational sense then so be it baseball is a business and if there is a solid business reason for keeping lopez on the farm then that s what the braves should do i happen to believe that it s a baseball decision while you from your armchair may disagee i don t i think there is a lot of evidence to suggest the decision they made i predicted it among large guffaws from several at the start of spring training i think it is a very normal decision to have made it is certainly more reversible than to have started lopez in the bigs and have released one of their catchers sure it may be conservative it may also be logical i don t know what ethics have to do with it seems like pretty good common sense to me the beastmaster mark singer mss netcom com
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re nl east champion phillies robert c hite writes here are the projected lineups benches rotation and bullpen for the national league east champion philadelphia phillies i think the only phillies in effect here are philly blunts of course if this all becomes true i ll be the first to smoke one myself david j dwarner journalism indiana edu blue riddle productions it s on the rap is an art ep is coming out on tape this time for real e mail me for the
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re mike francesa s predictions in article apr porthos cc bellcore com dick herahera cc bellcore com vaughn richard writes in article apr ulkyvx louisville edu pjtier ulkyvx louisville edu writes in article apr porthos cc bellcore com dick herahera cc bellcore com vaughn richard writes mike francesa mentioned his baseball picks in passing on the radio yesterday being that this is francesa talkin the opinions are well worth consideration indeed after all he was the wizard foresaw the year of the big east in the ncaa tournament unfortunatly none of those teams made it into the sweet sixteen much less new orleans neither did he overall mike francesa has an outstanding prediction record overall how do you figure ignore him at your own peril so far my radio hasn t exploded from not being tuned to roger
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