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Serious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?
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"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?"
] |
>
At certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?"
] |
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I have heard it has rudders that guide it.
I normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course.
Blinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen.
They waited until it was spotted.
Their claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are?
Biden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.
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"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos."
] |
>
All accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.
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"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol."
] |
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I saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon.
But the so called "weather balloon" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero.
Its interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration.
I know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson.
I actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan.
Under Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too.
Many national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.
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"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases."
] |
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Agreed!! The whole "trump wasn't told" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either.
So either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.
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"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them."
] |
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Do the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites?
Yes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff.
For example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things.
How the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?
How the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?
In some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.
The Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese.
And on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.
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"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day."
] |
>
All of your examples appear to only be "good data" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.
The real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest."
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>
It depends on what your purpose is.
If, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.
If a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).
But you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.
If you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.
|
[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations"
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>
The always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!
|
[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance."
] |
>
I guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.
|
[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!"
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Usually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.
|
[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about."
] |
>
To be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is "near US bases"
|
[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job."
] |
>
I see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.
Not to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now?
My opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\""
] |
>
So with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public."
] |
>
If it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?"
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Prove to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that."
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics..."
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Seems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here"
] |
>
. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?
|
[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day."
] |
>
It's always "according to people familiar with the matter".
Give some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?"
] |
>
Gen. Glen VanHerck
Do you post the same comment when they post articles about the Biden admin or family?
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?",
">\n\nIt's always \"according to people familiar with the matter\".\nGive some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing."
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Depends what stuff.
I mean they had a physical laptop, and the media just called it Russian propaganda, once again based on unnamed sources. Turned out it was totally real. Concrete evidence > unnamed sources.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?",
">\n\nIt's always \"according to people familiar with the matter\".\nGive some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing.",
">\n\nGen. Glen VanHerck\nDo you post the same comment when they post articles about the Biden admin or family?"
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I like how everything is “Trumps fault” on Reddit.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?",
">\n\nIt's always \"according to people familiar with the matter\".\nGive some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing.",
">\n\nGen. Glen VanHerck\nDo you post the same comment when they post articles about the Biden admin or family?",
">\n\nDepends what stuff.\nI mean they had a physical laptop, and the media just called it Russian propaganda, once again based on unnamed sources. Turned out it was totally real. Concrete evidence > unnamed sources."
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R/conservative r/the_donald and I'm sure more would like to have a talk with you.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?",
">\n\nIt's always \"according to people familiar with the matter\".\nGive some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing.",
">\n\nGen. Glen VanHerck\nDo you post the same comment when they post articles about the Biden admin or family?",
">\n\nDepends what stuff.\nI mean they had a physical laptop, and the media just called it Russian propaganda, once again based on unnamed sources. Turned out it was totally real. Concrete evidence > unnamed sources.",
">\n\nI like how everything is “Trumps fault” on Reddit."
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This is the 10th article I’ve seen in 2 days talking about Trump balloons. I don’t like it, because I get the cringeworthy sense that this exists because of some subconscious guilt that we had one floating over our heads over the last week. It was there, we shot it down, easy-peasy.
Children in a schoolyard counting balloon tally’s by term, ffs guys…. Let this one go, its silly.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?",
">\n\nIt's always \"according to people familiar with the matter\".\nGive some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing.",
">\n\nGen. Glen VanHerck\nDo you post the same comment when they post articles about the Biden admin or family?",
">\n\nDepends what stuff.\nI mean they had a physical laptop, and the media just called it Russian propaganda, once again based on unnamed sources. Turned out it was totally real. Concrete evidence > unnamed sources.",
">\n\nI like how everything is “Trumps fault” on Reddit.",
">\n\nR/conservative r/the_donald and I'm sure more would like to have a talk with you."
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If there’s any downvotes that I’d want to receive, nothing warms my heart more than downvotes from the balloon obsessed, I thank you.
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?",
">\n\nIt's always \"according to people familiar with the matter\".\nGive some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing.",
">\n\nGen. Glen VanHerck\nDo you post the same comment when they post articles about the Biden admin or family?",
">\n\nDepends what stuff.\nI mean they had a physical laptop, and the media just called it Russian propaganda, once again based on unnamed sources. Turned out it was totally real. Concrete evidence > unnamed sources.",
">\n\nI like how everything is “Trumps fault” on Reddit.",
">\n\nR/conservative r/the_donald and I'm sure more would like to have a talk with you.",
">\n\nThis is the 10th article I’ve seen in 2 days talking about Trump balloons. I don’t like it, because I get the cringeworthy sense that this exists because of some subconscious guilt that we had one floating over our heads over the last week. It was there, we shot it down, easy-peasy. \nChildren in a schoolyard counting balloon tally’s by term, ffs guys…. Let this one go, its silly."
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17 Trump balloon articles posted in the last 24 hours in this subreddit, and counting…. 🤣
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[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?",
">\n\nIt's always \"according to people familiar with the matter\".\nGive some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing.",
">\n\nGen. Glen VanHerck\nDo you post the same comment when they post articles about the Biden admin or family?",
">\n\nDepends what stuff.\nI mean they had a physical laptop, and the media just called it Russian propaganda, once again based on unnamed sources. Turned out it was totally real. Concrete evidence > unnamed sources.",
">\n\nI like how everything is “Trumps fault” on Reddit.",
">\n\nR/conservative r/the_donald and I'm sure more would like to have a talk with you.",
">\n\nThis is the 10th article I’ve seen in 2 days talking about Trump balloons. I don’t like it, because I get the cringeworthy sense that this exists because of some subconscious guilt that we had one floating over our heads over the last week. It was there, we shot it down, easy-peasy. \nChildren in a schoolyard counting balloon tally’s by term, ffs guys…. Let this one go, its silly.",
">\n\nIf there’s any downvotes that I’d want to receive, nothing warms my heart more than downvotes from the balloon obsessed, I thank you."
] |
>
Not truthful, Biden and the Media are just spinning this story
|
[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?",
">\n\nIt's always \"according to people familiar with the matter\".\nGive some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing.",
">\n\nGen. Glen VanHerck\nDo you post the same comment when they post articles about the Biden admin or family?",
">\n\nDepends what stuff.\nI mean they had a physical laptop, and the media just called it Russian propaganda, once again based on unnamed sources. Turned out it was totally real. Concrete evidence > unnamed sources.",
">\n\nI like how everything is “Trumps fault” on Reddit.",
">\n\nR/conservative r/the_donald and I'm sure more would like to have a talk with you.",
">\n\nThis is the 10th article I’ve seen in 2 days talking about Trump balloons. I don’t like it, because I get the cringeworthy sense that this exists because of some subconscious guilt that we had one floating over our heads over the last week. It was there, we shot it down, easy-peasy. \nChildren in a schoolyard counting balloon tally’s by term, ffs guys…. Let this one go, its silly.",
">\n\nIf there’s any downvotes that I’d want to receive, nothing warms my heart more than downvotes from the balloon obsessed, I thank you.",
">\n\n17 Trump balloon articles posted in the last 24 hours in this subreddit, and counting…. 🤣"
] |
>
|
[
"So now they were observed at the time and they appeared to have radar jamming abilities.\nThose are two noteworthy pieces of news.",
">\n\nI imagine we have some type of jamming capability we were shooting at the things each time. They were testing their jamming while we test our jamming they're jamming We're jamming, I hope you like jammin', too.\nTo think that jammin' was a thing of the past\nBut seriously there's a jamming war.",
">\n\nWhat’s your background?",
">\n\nVeterinarian.",
">\n\nHmmmp. It’s amazing what you can learn by shoving your arm up a cow’s arse these days.",
">\n\nThe Chinese are probably the only people more thin skinned than trump supporters.",
">\n\nCould I introduce you to /r/steroids",
">\n\nThose solar panels were capable of generating over 10kW. That's a lot of wind, temperature and humidity data .....",
">\n\nfree solar panels and we just dumped them in the ocean. Thanks, OBiden.",
">\n\nI like Chinese spy balloons that weren't captured. - Donald J. Trump",
">\n\nThis deserves a round of applause.",
">\n\nFifth time now, according to BBC.",
">\n\nProbably had Trump advertising on them….”Come to Mar-a-Lago, where the sun is as orange as your hair!”",
">\n\nYou sure it wasn’t the Trump Baby Blimp?",
">\n\nIt's a good test case for China to send these and see how many go unnoticed or stopped. When the war starts, they won't fire rockets. They'll launch 99 red balloons.",
">\n\nBut you always left with whether they didn't catch them or they didn't publicize catching them",
">\n\nfuking traitor terrorist",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. The problem with Trump is that he was quintessentially American.",
">\n\nwtf is wrong with u? even if the latter was true he'd never be a hero",
">\n\nTrump is trash and a traitor, he needs to be imprisoned and the fact he isn't makes me feel violated.",
">\n\nIf he was a traitor he'd be a hero. How can you pretend to hate white people if you don't want to see America burn?",
">\n\nSerious question. How was it possible to launch balloons in another country and know it would reach the US mainland, and better yet, know it would reach specific sites to gather data?",
">\n\nAt certain points the Pentagon was saying they thought it was being guided. Wouldn't take too much to attach a little motor to it for steering purposes. Maybe running on the solar arrays we can see in the photos.",
">\n\nI have heard it has rudders that guide it. \nI normally would be skeptical of Pentagon claims but here they're probably right. I am calling BS on China saying it was a weather balloon that went off course. \nBlinken was going there to patch relations. Why would China endanger that? So say it was a weather balloon. If they knew it went off course and entered American airspace why wouldn't they just call Washington and tell them that they screwed up and one of their weather balloons entered our airspace, so we don't get suspicious and it causes an incident? The Americans wouldn't get mad things happen. \nThey waited until it was spotted. \nTheir claim that it can't steer is obviously ridiculous. It made a U shaped course across the country. It just magically happened to fly over major military bases. What is the probability of that? How stupid do the Chinese think we are? \nBiden was right to shoot it down. Beijing can go pound sand. They're upset that we shot down a soy balloon in our own airspace? Like they wouldn't have done the same lol.",
">\n\nAll accurate! It was clearly a spy balloon, as you said, bc it didn't just take prevailing wind currents, it glided over our airbases.",
">\n\nI saw the map it took on the news the other day. It entered Alaska and curved downward then upward. If it drifted over just one or maybe even two if I am being generous maybe I could see it being a weather balloon. \nBut the so called \"weather balloon\" magically happened too perfectly pass pver a series of military bases. Like I said before what is the probability that something like that could happen? I don't know mathematically but if I had to bet cllse to zero. \nIts interesting hearing that the Trump administration didn't know about spy balloons in their territory. Trump says its disinformation. But even the conservative news outlet Fox News is reporting that spy balloons were spotted over Florida and Texas during his administration. \nI know its Fox News but to be fair not all their reporters are bad. They do actually have some good national security reporters like Jennifer Griffin and Licas Tomlinson. \nI actually like Jennifer Griffin a lot. She's a good Pentagon reporter. She calls BS on people no matter who the person is Democrat or Republican. I think she probably is conservative but she still is good. She actually spent time in the places she reports on like Afghanistan snd Pakistan. \nUnder Trump she was calling BS on Mike Pompeo when he said Iran funded the Taliban. She was there when the Taliban came to power. She called BS on some people at her network promoting Russian talking points. She lived in Russia too. \nMany national security reporters are Pentagon stenographers. The national security reporters who are actually good tend to be people who have lived in the regions being discussed and know about them.",
">\n\nAgreed!! The whole \"trump wasn't told\" isn't the gotcha the right wants it to be, either. \nSo either they don't trust trump to make the right decision so they held off telling him, or it isn't the big deal the right is making it out to be so they didn't bother telling Trump. Or maybe its both. Either way, biden did the right thing. Imagine if the balloon had been shot down and landed on some Mt ranch family and hurt/killed someone. The right would have had a field day.",
">\n\n\nDo the balloons really give them more information than their low altitude satellites? \n\nYes and no. There's a lot of subtext going on here with this kind of stuff. \nFor example, if China releases the balloon and they're tracking it, how long did it take the US to see it? That's good data. That gives an indication of how quick the US is to see those types of things. \nHow the US responds is also a good indication. I assume it's quite easy to track the path the balloon will take. So let's say they shoot it down before it reached, IDK, the middle of Montana. Does that mean there is an area there that is of interest? Should they focus their satellites on that area?\nHow the US takes it down is also of good interest. It shows how they respond to such things and with what weapons. How long did it take for the jet that is scrambled to make it to the balloon. What type of weapon was used?\nIn some cases you can learn things that you didn't know because you've forced your opponent to do something.\nThe Pentagon said that there was nothing that the balloon could learn of anyway. Which is also a power move with subtext. And we proved that by letting it fly over the entire US without shooting it down. That also sends signals to the Chinese. \nAnd on the flip side of that, the Chinese can compare and contrast satellite pictures from before and after the balloons launch to see what changed in areas of interest.",
">\n\nAll of your examples appear to only be \"good data\" if China one day decides to attack the US via balloons slowly floating across the country.\nThe real benefit of balloons over satellites is their cost and their ability to remain stationary over precise locations",
">\n\nIt depends on what your purpose is.\nIf, for example, you are contemplating a war in the future, u may want to get some baseline data from a balloon now. To see what you can measure about US defense infrastructure, response time, etc. Before the war.\nIf a war with China happens, the first casualty is going to be the satellites. It might even be so bad (Kessler syndrome) that nobody can put new satellites up again soon (or ever, eek!).\nBut you could fly a balloon over the USA if you still could. And, given your baseline data you got from the early overflights, you could compare and contrast to learn quite a bit, when the USA is essentially satellite-blind.\nIf you think about it this way, it's a cheap and potentially effective strategy for surveillance.",
">\n\nThe always reliable “people familiar with the matter”. That guy always has the scoop!!!",
">\n\nI guess they could always ID them, they'll lose their security clearance and probably their job. The reporter will probably never get a tip about something illegal or what others do not want you to know about.",
">\n\nUsually the reporters know exactly who this person is and have vetted them. They are keeping them anonymous because otherwise they will lose their job.",
">\n\nTo be fair, pretty much everywhere in the world is \"near US bases\"",
">\n\nI see people blaming Trump for this but would Biden have shoot down the balloon if it wasn't public? Probably not.\nNot to mention extremely suspicious given the time frame here, like somehow no one said anything until now? \nMy opinion is they most likely knew but didn't want to make it public since well shooting it down would make it public, the reality is the US spies on China and China spies on us. I highly doubt Biden would've done anything if the balloon wasn't made public.",
">\n\nSo with all the china bashing that he did throughout his presidency what he wouldn't say anything about is China violating US airspace?",
">\n\nIf it was true, Democrats would have tried to impeach Trump for that.",
">\n\nProve to me you know nothing about politics, while not saying you know nothing about politics...",
">\n\nNothing to see here",
">\n\nSeems like the story about Chinese spy balloons changes every day.",
">\n\n. This one is about balloons that went undetected a few years ago and what has changed about it?",
">\n\nIt's always \"according to people familiar with the matter\".\nGive some fucking evidence. Or at least these people's names. Otherwise this is nothing.",
">\n\nGen. Glen VanHerck\nDo you post the same comment when they post articles about the Biden admin or family?",
">\n\nDepends what stuff.\nI mean they had a physical laptop, and the media just called it Russian propaganda, once again based on unnamed sources. Turned out it was totally real. Concrete evidence > unnamed sources.",
">\n\nI like how everything is “Trumps fault” on Reddit.",
">\n\nR/conservative r/the_donald and I'm sure more would like to have a talk with you.",
">\n\nThis is the 10th article I’ve seen in 2 days talking about Trump balloons. I don’t like it, because I get the cringeworthy sense that this exists because of some subconscious guilt that we had one floating over our heads over the last week. It was there, we shot it down, easy-peasy. \nChildren in a schoolyard counting balloon tally’s by term, ffs guys…. Let this one go, its silly.",
">\n\nIf there’s any downvotes that I’d want to receive, nothing warms my heart more than downvotes from the balloon obsessed, I thank you.",
">\n\n17 Trump balloon articles posted in the last 24 hours in this subreddit, and counting…. 🤣",
">\n\nNot truthful, Biden and the Media are just spinning this story"
] |
My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the "laptop", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:
Hunter flew a laptop "containing evidence of his crimes" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.
He took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.
He took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.
He took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.
There are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.
The man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.
That sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.
The blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.
The blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.
The blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.
The blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.
The EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)
The blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.
Rudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the "laptop" inadmissible as evidence in court.
While the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled "Salacious Pictures Package". The others were "Mail" and "Big Guy File" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)
Trump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.
Republicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.
In fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.
The New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.
Fox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.
The blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that "there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop".
The blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, "he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.
You gotta get through that, and think, "yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate"
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While I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.
There’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.
I’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter.
I did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\""
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Yep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the "bad things on the laptop":
"The FBI called me", "I've been emailing with the FBI", and "The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore".
He was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the "I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich"
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?"
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Sounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\""
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It must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me."
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This will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress."
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If you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here."
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Not specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to "prove a point." That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially "authorized" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients.
I speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update."
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Doing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'"
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My fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap."
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Rudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense."
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My favorite part of these "investigations" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-)
I like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake.
Gotta make that shiznit professional as possible.
3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily"
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The whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional."
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Have they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger."
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Fox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?"
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Hunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around."
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Most people do not give a damn about these "investigations". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry "media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth".
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions."
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I mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\"."
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Making up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy."
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Hunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook."
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It absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up.
I don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen."
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Lolwut
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats."
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They really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut"
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Of course they want to crucify the offspring of a political rival while protecting their own.
You can't shame, surprise, or correct these conservatives (including their supporters) using gotcha moments and hypocrisy. Every single issue - you can catch the right making disingenuous arguments. They don't care. Coherence and consistency of rhetoric and action is not their goal. Power and hegemony are their goals, and hypocrisy is just one strategy for accomplishing it. In fact, it's become a sport for them: rack up the most points, and any opposition focused on your words will never be able to hold you accountable for your actions. Kayfabe and theatrics.
I beg everyone. Stop focusing so much on gotchas, and instead focus on getting out the vote. Focus on right-wing violence, treason, tolerance of domestic terrorists, and apathy for real problems affecting middle and lower-class Americans. Pointing out hypocrisy does almost nothing - it arguably makes it worse. The people you accuse don't care. Reactive discourse like "Trump says X, but does Y" is not a viable strategy for promoting political agendas. We need to focus on issues, and not the hypothetical positions of our opponents. Promote the bolstering of our voting rights, climate change readiness/mitigation, infrastructure development, education, worker's rights, non-violence, and affordable healthcare.
A brief list of conservative "positions" that they pretend to care about (and in fact glibly appreciate for the frustrating effect it has on discourse):
"Pro-Life" Except in the case of homeless, unviable pregnancies, wars, children in poverty, refugees, domestic violence, mass shootings, affordable healthcare and medicine, queer/trans suicides...
"Pro sexual decency" except in the case of decades worth of right-winger sexual assault/rape scandals, lawsuits, accusations, pedophilia, affairs, pornography use, and sex trafficking....
"Anti-elite" except in the case of dictators, oligarchs, (conservative) billionaires, Wall Street...
"Pro-freedom" except in the case of access to certain books, certain forms of expression, certain causes for protest, certain religions, certain forms of dress...
"Pro rule of law" except in the case of wealthy conservative sex offenders, tax fraud/dodgers, voter fraud, espionage, treason, political violence, environmental laws, democratic processes, police violence, abuse of the legal/appeals system, violating established legal precedent...
"Fiscally responsible" except in the case of subsidies to unsustainable industries, ignoring climate change's economic impact, funding for programs to alleviate costs for raising families, investing in education to compete in a global economy, debt ceiling negotiations...
"Pro religion" except in the case of literally anything other than their specific evangelical niche, and ignoring Christ's call to be kind/tolerant/accepting/loving/patient/respectful of the environment...
"Pro Constitution" except when it comes to parts of it they don't like (separation of church & state, 4th amendment, 1st amendment, 8th amendment, 'well regulated militias', 14th amendment) ...
"Pro family" except in the case of keeping children with their parents, or letting 2 capable parents in a civil union adopt, affordable housing, healthcare costs, rightwing politician affairs, medical care and affordable groceries...
"Pro small government" except when it comes to bathrooms, flag laws, protest laws, children's sports, public & school libraries, marriage laws, immigration laws, sexual/reproductive health...
"Pro truth" except when it comes to climate change, foreign propaganda, medical science, legal theories, lying conservative politicians, American history...
"Pro USA" except when it comes to polluting our water/soil/air/national parks, protecting our people from a virus, defending ourselves from foreign dictators' influence, respecting the ideals of democracy, support of international dictators in NK/Russia/China/Saudia Arabia/etc...
"Pro rural" except when it comes to primarily supporting wealthy urban elites, multinational media conglomerates, devastation of rural infrastructure and economies, development of rural educational infrastructure...
In effect what you have is a wealthy elite that have weaponized social media in order to outsource their own PR/propaganda/public defense to gullible and disaffected individuals. The fascist engine works by transmuting populist anger (partially created by wealth inequality and stoked social issues) into focused political power - a "strong" authoritarian leader. If you look at what right wingers say vs what they ignore, only one viable conclusion emerges: The rhetoric is a smokescreen. They only care about power, preservation of power, and withholding of power from people they don't like. And they'll use any rhetoric to mask the fascist desires lurking in the muck of their souls, even if it means contradicting themselves 10 seconds later. All the while contributing to a festering crab-bucket mentality that drives intra-class conflict.
Don't look for logical or semantic consistency across fascists' statements and beliefs: the real commonalities are who they affect in that moment: protecting themselves and their in-groups, or hurting anyone that "threatens" that. And by the way some behave, existence alone can seem a threat.
But, it literally doesn't pay to point hypocrisies out. You can do so, but there's no guarantee your interlocutor won't ignore it/twist words/deflect/change topics/smile glibly at the visible frustration on your face as truth and meaning erode in front of you. They either can't recognize the chasm between their words and actions, or they willfully ignore it. And if years of headlines pointing out hypocrisy haven't led them to reconsider, we have to accept that it's intentional. Continuing to broadcast the hypocrisies reinforces the right's beliefs that they are an effective tactic of choking/controlling discourse, and shows them that they can keep getting away with evil actions because we only hold them accountable for their words.
The way to fight them is not to engage with the elites of the movement - but to push back at friends and relatives who support the movement. Ignore the hypocritical drivel they push, hammer away more pressing issues, and leverage your social power for good. The Soap Box will be a lot more impactful than the ballot box in the long term.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut",
">\n\nThey really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about."
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The bar for Republican plausible deniability has never been lower. This is all gaslighting - a desperate swing for false equivalency and self-victimization. These are bad faith hearings - lies. Republicans are waging war on the United States from inside our own government. Defy them.
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut",
">\n\nThey really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about.",
">\n\nOf course they want to crucify the offspring of a political rival while protecting their own. \nYou can't shame, surprise, or correct these conservatives (including their supporters) using gotcha moments and hypocrisy. Every single issue - you can catch the right making disingenuous arguments. They don't care. Coherence and consistency of rhetoric and action is not their goal. Power and hegemony are their goals, and hypocrisy is just one strategy for accomplishing it. In fact, it's become a sport for them: rack up the most points, and any opposition focused on your words will never be able to hold you accountable for your actions. Kayfabe and theatrics. \nI beg everyone. Stop focusing so much on gotchas, and instead focus on getting out the vote. Focus on right-wing violence, treason, tolerance of domestic terrorists, and apathy for real problems affecting middle and lower-class Americans. Pointing out hypocrisy does almost nothing - it arguably makes it worse. The people you accuse don't care. Reactive discourse like \"Trump says X, but does Y\" is not a viable strategy for promoting political agendas. We need to focus on issues, and not the hypothetical positions of our opponents. Promote the bolstering of our voting rights, climate change readiness/mitigation, infrastructure development, education, worker's rights, non-violence, and affordable healthcare.\nA brief list of conservative \"positions\" that they pretend to care about (and in fact glibly appreciate for the frustrating effect it has on discourse): \n\n\"Pro-Life\" Except in the case of homeless, unviable pregnancies, wars, children in poverty, refugees, domestic violence, mass shootings, affordable healthcare and medicine, queer/trans suicides...\n\"Pro sexual decency\" except in the case of decades worth of right-winger sexual assault/rape scandals, lawsuits, accusations, pedophilia, affairs, pornography use, and sex trafficking....\n\"Anti-elite\" except in the case of dictators, oligarchs, (conservative) billionaires, Wall Street...\n\"Pro-freedom\" except in the case of access to certain books, certain forms of expression, certain causes for protest, certain religions, certain forms of dress...\n\"Pro rule of law\" except in the case of wealthy conservative sex offenders, tax fraud/dodgers, voter fraud, espionage, treason, political violence, environmental laws, democratic processes, police violence, abuse of the legal/appeals system, violating established legal precedent...\n\"Fiscally responsible\" except in the case of subsidies to unsustainable industries, ignoring climate change's economic impact, funding for programs to alleviate costs for raising families, investing in education to compete in a global economy, debt ceiling negotiations...\n\"Pro religion\" except in the case of literally anything other than their specific evangelical niche, and ignoring Christ's call to be kind/tolerant/accepting/loving/patient/respectful of the environment...\n\"Pro Constitution\" except when it comes to parts of it they don't like (separation of church & state, 4th amendment, 1st amendment, 8th amendment, 'well regulated militias', 14th amendment) ...\n\"Pro family\" except in the case of keeping children with their parents, or letting 2 capable parents in a civil union adopt, affordable housing, healthcare costs, rightwing politician affairs, medical care and affordable groceries...\n\"Pro small government\" except when it comes to bathrooms, flag laws, protest laws, children's sports, public & school libraries, marriage laws, immigration laws, sexual/reproductive health...\n\"Pro truth\" except when it comes to climate change, foreign propaganda, medical science, legal theories, lying conservative politicians, American history...\n\"Pro USA\" except when it comes to polluting our water/soil/air/national parks, protecting our people from a virus, defending ourselves from foreign dictators' influence, respecting the ideals of democracy, support of international dictators in NK/Russia/China/Saudia Arabia/etc...\n\"Pro rural\" except when it comes to primarily supporting wealthy urban elites, multinational media conglomerates, devastation of rural infrastructure and economies, development of rural educational infrastructure...\n\nIn effect what you have is a wealthy elite that have weaponized social media in order to outsource their own PR/propaganda/public defense to gullible and disaffected individuals. The fascist engine works by transmuting populist anger (partially created by wealth inequality and stoked social issues) into focused political power - a \"strong\" authoritarian leader. If you look at what right wingers say vs what they ignore, only one viable conclusion emerges: The rhetoric is a smokescreen. They only care about power, preservation of power, and withholding of power from people they don't like. And they'll use any rhetoric to mask the fascist desires lurking in the muck of their souls, even if it means contradicting themselves 10 seconds later. All the while contributing to a festering crab-bucket mentality that drives intra-class conflict. \nDon't look for logical or semantic consistency across fascists' statements and beliefs: the real commonalities are who they affect in that moment: protecting themselves and their in-groups, or hurting anyone that \"threatens\" that. And by the way some behave, existence alone can seem a threat. \nBut, it literally doesn't pay to point hypocrisies out. You can do so, but there's no guarantee your interlocutor won't ignore it/twist words/deflect/change topics/smile glibly at the visible frustration on your face as truth and meaning erode in front of you. They either can't recognize the chasm between their words and actions, or they willfully ignore it. And if years of headlines pointing out hypocrisy haven't led them to reconsider, we have to accept that it's intentional. Continuing to broadcast the hypocrisies reinforces the right's beliefs that they are an effective tactic of choking/controlling discourse, and shows them that they can keep getting away with evil actions because we only hold them accountable for their words.\nThe way to fight them is not to engage with the elites of the movement - but to push back at friends and relatives who support the movement. Ignore the hypocritical drivel they push, hammer away more pressing issues, and leverage your social power for good. The Soap Box will be a lot more impactful than the ballot box in the long term."
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I really hope that pics of Hunter's massive dong get entered into the official record. Not even LBJ got that!
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut",
">\n\nThey really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about.",
">\n\nOf course they want to crucify the offspring of a political rival while protecting their own. \nYou can't shame, surprise, or correct these conservatives (including their supporters) using gotcha moments and hypocrisy. Every single issue - you can catch the right making disingenuous arguments. They don't care. Coherence and consistency of rhetoric and action is not their goal. Power and hegemony are their goals, and hypocrisy is just one strategy for accomplishing it. In fact, it's become a sport for them: rack up the most points, and any opposition focused on your words will never be able to hold you accountable for your actions. Kayfabe and theatrics. \nI beg everyone. Stop focusing so much on gotchas, and instead focus on getting out the vote. Focus on right-wing violence, treason, tolerance of domestic terrorists, and apathy for real problems affecting middle and lower-class Americans. Pointing out hypocrisy does almost nothing - it arguably makes it worse. The people you accuse don't care. Reactive discourse like \"Trump says X, but does Y\" is not a viable strategy for promoting political agendas. We need to focus on issues, and not the hypothetical positions of our opponents. Promote the bolstering of our voting rights, climate change readiness/mitigation, infrastructure development, education, worker's rights, non-violence, and affordable healthcare.\nA brief list of conservative \"positions\" that they pretend to care about (and in fact glibly appreciate for the frustrating effect it has on discourse): \n\n\"Pro-Life\" Except in the case of homeless, unviable pregnancies, wars, children in poverty, refugees, domestic violence, mass shootings, affordable healthcare and medicine, queer/trans suicides...\n\"Pro sexual decency\" except in the case of decades worth of right-winger sexual assault/rape scandals, lawsuits, accusations, pedophilia, affairs, pornography use, and sex trafficking....\n\"Anti-elite\" except in the case of dictators, oligarchs, (conservative) billionaires, Wall Street...\n\"Pro-freedom\" except in the case of access to certain books, certain forms of expression, certain causes for protest, certain religions, certain forms of dress...\n\"Pro rule of law\" except in the case of wealthy conservative sex offenders, tax fraud/dodgers, voter fraud, espionage, treason, political violence, environmental laws, democratic processes, police violence, abuse of the legal/appeals system, violating established legal precedent...\n\"Fiscally responsible\" except in the case of subsidies to unsustainable industries, ignoring climate change's economic impact, funding for programs to alleviate costs for raising families, investing in education to compete in a global economy, debt ceiling negotiations...\n\"Pro religion\" except in the case of literally anything other than their specific evangelical niche, and ignoring Christ's call to be kind/tolerant/accepting/loving/patient/respectful of the environment...\n\"Pro Constitution\" except when it comes to parts of it they don't like (separation of church & state, 4th amendment, 1st amendment, 8th amendment, 'well regulated militias', 14th amendment) ...\n\"Pro family\" except in the case of keeping children with their parents, or letting 2 capable parents in a civil union adopt, affordable housing, healthcare costs, rightwing politician affairs, medical care and affordable groceries...\n\"Pro small government\" except when it comes to bathrooms, flag laws, protest laws, children's sports, public & school libraries, marriage laws, immigration laws, sexual/reproductive health...\n\"Pro truth\" except when it comes to climate change, foreign propaganda, medical science, legal theories, lying conservative politicians, American history...\n\"Pro USA\" except when it comes to polluting our water/soil/air/national parks, protecting our people from a virus, defending ourselves from foreign dictators' influence, respecting the ideals of democracy, support of international dictators in NK/Russia/China/Saudia Arabia/etc...\n\"Pro rural\" except when it comes to primarily supporting wealthy urban elites, multinational media conglomerates, devastation of rural infrastructure and economies, development of rural educational infrastructure...\n\nIn effect what you have is a wealthy elite that have weaponized social media in order to outsource their own PR/propaganda/public defense to gullible and disaffected individuals. The fascist engine works by transmuting populist anger (partially created by wealth inequality and stoked social issues) into focused political power - a \"strong\" authoritarian leader. If you look at what right wingers say vs what they ignore, only one viable conclusion emerges: The rhetoric is a smokescreen. They only care about power, preservation of power, and withholding of power from people they don't like. And they'll use any rhetoric to mask the fascist desires lurking in the muck of their souls, even if it means contradicting themselves 10 seconds later. All the while contributing to a festering crab-bucket mentality that drives intra-class conflict. \nDon't look for logical or semantic consistency across fascists' statements and beliefs: the real commonalities are who they affect in that moment: protecting themselves and their in-groups, or hurting anyone that \"threatens\" that. And by the way some behave, existence alone can seem a threat. \nBut, it literally doesn't pay to point hypocrisies out. You can do so, but there's no guarantee your interlocutor won't ignore it/twist words/deflect/change topics/smile glibly at the visible frustration on your face as truth and meaning erode in front of you. They either can't recognize the chasm between their words and actions, or they willfully ignore it. And if years of headlines pointing out hypocrisy haven't led them to reconsider, we have to accept that it's intentional. Continuing to broadcast the hypocrisies reinforces the right's beliefs that they are an effective tactic of choking/controlling discourse, and shows them that they can keep getting away with evil actions because we only hold them accountable for their words.\nThe way to fight them is not to engage with the elites of the movement - but to push back at friends and relatives who support the movement. Ignore the hypocritical drivel they push, hammer away more pressing issues, and leverage your social power for good. The Soap Box will be a lot more impactful than the ballot box in the long term.",
">\n\nThe bar for Republican plausible deniability has never been lower. This is all gaslighting - a desperate swing for false equivalency and self-victimization. These are bad faith hearings - lies. Republicans are waging war on the United States from inside our own government. Defy them."
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Twitter files and Hunter Biden two things that mean nothing to me
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut",
">\n\nThey really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about.",
">\n\nOf course they want to crucify the offspring of a political rival while protecting their own. \nYou can't shame, surprise, or correct these conservatives (including their supporters) using gotcha moments and hypocrisy. Every single issue - you can catch the right making disingenuous arguments. They don't care. Coherence and consistency of rhetoric and action is not their goal. Power and hegemony are their goals, and hypocrisy is just one strategy for accomplishing it. In fact, it's become a sport for them: rack up the most points, and any opposition focused on your words will never be able to hold you accountable for your actions. Kayfabe and theatrics. \nI beg everyone. Stop focusing so much on gotchas, and instead focus on getting out the vote. Focus on right-wing violence, treason, tolerance of domestic terrorists, and apathy for real problems affecting middle and lower-class Americans. Pointing out hypocrisy does almost nothing - it arguably makes it worse. The people you accuse don't care. Reactive discourse like \"Trump says X, but does Y\" is not a viable strategy for promoting political agendas. We need to focus on issues, and not the hypothetical positions of our opponents. Promote the bolstering of our voting rights, climate change readiness/mitigation, infrastructure development, education, worker's rights, non-violence, and affordable healthcare.\nA brief list of conservative \"positions\" that they pretend to care about (and in fact glibly appreciate for the frustrating effect it has on discourse): \n\n\"Pro-Life\" Except in the case of homeless, unviable pregnancies, wars, children in poverty, refugees, domestic violence, mass shootings, affordable healthcare and medicine, queer/trans suicides...\n\"Pro sexual decency\" except in the case of decades worth of right-winger sexual assault/rape scandals, lawsuits, accusations, pedophilia, affairs, pornography use, and sex trafficking....\n\"Anti-elite\" except in the case of dictators, oligarchs, (conservative) billionaires, Wall Street...\n\"Pro-freedom\" except in the case of access to certain books, certain forms of expression, certain causes for protest, certain religions, certain forms of dress...\n\"Pro rule of law\" except in the case of wealthy conservative sex offenders, tax fraud/dodgers, voter fraud, espionage, treason, political violence, environmental laws, democratic processes, police violence, abuse of the legal/appeals system, violating established legal precedent...\n\"Fiscally responsible\" except in the case of subsidies to unsustainable industries, ignoring climate change's economic impact, funding for programs to alleviate costs for raising families, investing in education to compete in a global economy, debt ceiling negotiations...\n\"Pro religion\" except in the case of literally anything other than their specific evangelical niche, and ignoring Christ's call to be kind/tolerant/accepting/loving/patient/respectful of the environment...\n\"Pro Constitution\" except when it comes to parts of it they don't like (separation of church & state, 4th amendment, 1st amendment, 8th amendment, 'well regulated militias', 14th amendment) ...\n\"Pro family\" except in the case of keeping children with their parents, or letting 2 capable parents in a civil union adopt, affordable housing, healthcare costs, rightwing politician affairs, medical care and affordable groceries...\n\"Pro small government\" except when it comes to bathrooms, flag laws, protest laws, children's sports, public & school libraries, marriage laws, immigration laws, sexual/reproductive health...\n\"Pro truth\" except when it comes to climate change, foreign propaganda, medical science, legal theories, lying conservative politicians, American history...\n\"Pro USA\" except when it comes to polluting our water/soil/air/national parks, protecting our people from a virus, defending ourselves from foreign dictators' influence, respecting the ideals of democracy, support of international dictators in NK/Russia/China/Saudia Arabia/etc...\n\"Pro rural\" except when it comes to primarily supporting wealthy urban elites, multinational media conglomerates, devastation of rural infrastructure and economies, development of rural educational infrastructure...\n\nIn effect what you have is a wealthy elite that have weaponized social media in order to outsource their own PR/propaganda/public defense to gullible and disaffected individuals. The fascist engine works by transmuting populist anger (partially created by wealth inequality and stoked social issues) into focused political power - a \"strong\" authoritarian leader. If you look at what right wingers say vs what they ignore, only one viable conclusion emerges: The rhetoric is a smokescreen. They only care about power, preservation of power, and withholding of power from people they don't like. And they'll use any rhetoric to mask the fascist desires lurking in the muck of their souls, even if it means contradicting themselves 10 seconds later. All the while contributing to a festering crab-bucket mentality that drives intra-class conflict. \nDon't look for logical or semantic consistency across fascists' statements and beliefs: the real commonalities are who they affect in that moment: protecting themselves and their in-groups, or hurting anyone that \"threatens\" that. And by the way some behave, existence alone can seem a threat. \nBut, it literally doesn't pay to point hypocrisies out. You can do so, but there's no guarantee your interlocutor won't ignore it/twist words/deflect/change topics/smile glibly at the visible frustration on your face as truth and meaning erode in front of you. They either can't recognize the chasm between their words and actions, or they willfully ignore it. And if years of headlines pointing out hypocrisy haven't led them to reconsider, we have to accept that it's intentional. Continuing to broadcast the hypocrisies reinforces the right's beliefs that they are an effective tactic of choking/controlling discourse, and shows them that they can keep getting away with evil actions because we only hold them accountable for their words.\nThe way to fight them is not to engage with the elites of the movement - but to push back at friends and relatives who support the movement. Ignore the hypocritical drivel they push, hammer away more pressing issues, and leverage your social power for good. The Soap Box will be a lot more impactful than the ballot box in the long term.",
">\n\nThe bar for Republican plausible deniability has never been lower. This is all gaslighting - a desperate swing for false equivalency and self-victimization. These are bad faith hearings - lies. Republicans are waging war on the United States from inside our own government. Defy them.",
">\n\nI really hope that pics of Hunter's massive dong get entered into the official record. Not even LBJ got that!"
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So, whose intern is picking up the blown up, blurred pic of Hunter’s junk from Kinko’s for these hearings?
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut",
">\n\nThey really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about.",
">\n\nOf course they want to crucify the offspring of a political rival while protecting their own. \nYou can't shame, surprise, or correct these conservatives (including their supporters) using gotcha moments and hypocrisy. Every single issue - you can catch the right making disingenuous arguments. They don't care. Coherence and consistency of rhetoric and action is not their goal. Power and hegemony are their goals, and hypocrisy is just one strategy for accomplishing it. In fact, it's become a sport for them: rack up the most points, and any opposition focused on your words will never be able to hold you accountable for your actions. Kayfabe and theatrics. \nI beg everyone. Stop focusing so much on gotchas, and instead focus on getting out the vote. Focus on right-wing violence, treason, tolerance of domestic terrorists, and apathy for real problems affecting middle and lower-class Americans. Pointing out hypocrisy does almost nothing - it arguably makes it worse. The people you accuse don't care. Reactive discourse like \"Trump says X, but does Y\" is not a viable strategy for promoting political agendas. We need to focus on issues, and not the hypothetical positions of our opponents. Promote the bolstering of our voting rights, climate change readiness/mitigation, infrastructure development, education, worker's rights, non-violence, and affordable healthcare.\nA brief list of conservative \"positions\" that they pretend to care about (and in fact glibly appreciate for the frustrating effect it has on discourse): \n\n\"Pro-Life\" Except in the case of homeless, unviable pregnancies, wars, children in poverty, refugees, domestic violence, mass shootings, affordable healthcare and medicine, queer/trans suicides...\n\"Pro sexual decency\" except in the case of decades worth of right-winger sexual assault/rape scandals, lawsuits, accusations, pedophilia, affairs, pornography use, and sex trafficking....\n\"Anti-elite\" except in the case of dictators, oligarchs, (conservative) billionaires, Wall Street...\n\"Pro-freedom\" except in the case of access to certain books, certain forms of expression, certain causes for protest, certain religions, certain forms of dress...\n\"Pro rule of law\" except in the case of wealthy conservative sex offenders, tax fraud/dodgers, voter fraud, espionage, treason, political violence, environmental laws, democratic processes, police violence, abuse of the legal/appeals system, violating established legal precedent...\n\"Fiscally responsible\" except in the case of subsidies to unsustainable industries, ignoring climate change's economic impact, funding for programs to alleviate costs for raising families, investing in education to compete in a global economy, debt ceiling negotiations...\n\"Pro religion\" except in the case of literally anything other than their specific evangelical niche, and ignoring Christ's call to be kind/tolerant/accepting/loving/patient/respectful of the environment...\n\"Pro Constitution\" except when it comes to parts of it they don't like (separation of church & state, 4th amendment, 1st amendment, 8th amendment, 'well regulated militias', 14th amendment) ...\n\"Pro family\" except in the case of keeping children with their parents, or letting 2 capable parents in a civil union adopt, affordable housing, healthcare costs, rightwing politician affairs, medical care and affordable groceries...\n\"Pro small government\" except when it comes to bathrooms, flag laws, protest laws, children's sports, public & school libraries, marriage laws, immigration laws, sexual/reproductive health...\n\"Pro truth\" except when it comes to climate change, foreign propaganda, medical science, legal theories, lying conservative politicians, American history...\n\"Pro USA\" except when it comes to polluting our water/soil/air/national parks, protecting our people from a virus, defending ourselves from foreign dictators' influence, respecting the ideals of democracy, support of international dictators in NK/Russia/China/Saudia Arabia/etc...\n\"Pro rural\" except when it comes to primarily supporting wealthy urban elites, multinational media conglomerates, devastation of rural infrastructure and economies, development of rural educational infrastructure...\n\nIn effect what you have is a wealthy elite that have weaponized social media in order to outsource their own PR/propaganda/public defense to gullible and disaffected individuals. The fascist engine works by transmuting populist anger (partially created by wealth inequality and stoked social issues) into focused political power - a \"strong\" authoritarian leader. If you look at what right wingers say vs what they ignore, only one viable conclusion emerges: The rhetoric is a smokescreen. They only care about power, preservation of power, and withholding of power from people they don't like. And they'll use any rhetoric to mask the fascist desires lurking in the muck of their souls, even if it means contradicting themselves 10 seconds later. All the while contributing to a festering crab-bucket mentality that drives intra-class conflict. \nDon't look for logical or semantic consistency across fascists' statements and beliefs: the real commonalities are who they affect in that moment: protecting themselves and their in-groups, or hurting anyone that \"threatens\" that. And by the way some behave, existence alone can seem a threat. \nBut, it literally doesn't pay to point hypocrisies out. You can do so, but there's no guarantee your interlocutor won't ignore it/twist words/deflect/change topics/smile glibly at the visible frustration on your face as truth and meaning erode in front of you. They either can't recognize the chasm between their words and actions, or they willfully ignore it. And if years of headlines pointing out hypocrisy haven't led them to reconsider, we have to accept that it's intentional. Continuing to broadcast the hypocrisies reinforces the right's beliefs that they are an effective tactic of choking/controlling discourse, and shows them that they can keep getting away with evil actions because we only hold them accountable for their words.\nThe way to fight them is not to engage with the elites of the movement - but to push back at friends and relatives who support the movement. Ignore the hypocritical drivel they push, hammer away more pressing issues, and leverage your social power for good. The Soap Box will be a lot more impactful than the ballot box in the long term.",
">\n\nThe bar for Republican plausible deniability has never been lower. This is all gaslighting - a desperate swing for false equivalency and self-victimization. These are bad faith hearings - lies. Republicans are waging war on the United States from inside our own government. Defy them.",
">\n\nI really hope that pics of Hunter's massive dong get entered into the official record. Not even LBJ got that!",
">\n\nTwitter files and Hunter Biden two things that mean nothing to me"
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut",
">\n\nThey really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about.",
">\n\nOf course they want to crucify the offspring of a political rival while protecting their own. \nYou can't shame, surprise, or correct these conservatives (including their supporters) using gotcha moments and hypocrisy. Every single issue - you can catch the right making disingenuous arguments. They don't care. Coherence and consistency of rhetoric and action is not their goal. Power and hegemony are their goals, and hypocrisy is just one strategy for accomplishing it. In fact, it's become a sport for them: rack up the most points, and any opposition focused on your words will never be able to hold you accountable for your actions. Kayfabe and theatrics. \nI beg everyone. Stop focusing so much on gotchas, and instead focus on getting out the vote. Focus on right-wing violence, treason, tolerance of domestic terrorists, and apathy for real problems affecting middle and lower-class Americans. Pointing out hypocrisy does almost nothing - it arguably makes it worse. The people you accuse don't care. Reactive discourse like \"Trump says X, but does Y\" is not a viable strategy for promoting political agendas. We need to focus on issues, and not the hypothetical positions of our opponents. Promote the bolstering of our voting rights, climate change readiness/mitigation, infrastructure development, education, worker's rights, non-violence, and affordable healthcare.\nA brief list of conservative \"positions\" that they pretend to care about (and in fact glibly appreciate for the frustrating effect it has on discourse): \n\n\"Pro-Life\" Except in the case of homeless, unviable pregnancies, wars, children in poverty, refugees, domestic violence, mass shootings, affordable healthcare and medicine, queer/trans suicides...\n\"Pro sexual decency\" except in the case of decades worth of right-winger sexual assault/rape scandals, lawsuits, accusations, pedophilia, affairs, pornography use, and sex trafficking....\n\"Anti-elite\" except in the case of dictators, oligarchs, (conservative) billionaires, Wall Street...\n\"Pro-freedom\" except in the case of access to certain books, certain forms of expression, certain causes for protest, certain religions, certain forms of dress...\n\"Pro rule of law\" except in the case of wealthy conservative sex offenders, tax fraud/dodgers, voter fraud, espionage, treason, political violence, environmental laws, democratic processes, police violence, abuse of the legal/appeals system, violating established legal precedent...\n\"Fiscally responsible\" except in the case of subsidies to unsustainable industries, ignoring climate change's economic impact, funding for programs to alleviate costs for raising families, investing in education to compete in a global economy, debt ceiling negotiations...\n\"Pro religion\" except in the case of literally anything other than their specific evangelical niche, and ignoring Christ's call to be kind/tolerant/accepting/loving/patient/respectful of the environment...\n\"Pro Constitution\" except when it comes to parts of it they don't like (separation of church & state, 4th amendment, 1st amendment, 8th amendment, 'well regulated militias', 14th amendment) ...\n\"Pro family\" except in the case of keeping children with their parents, or letting 2 capable parents in a civil union adopt, affordable housing, healthcare costs, rightwing politician affairs, medical care and affordable groceries...\n\"Pro small government\" except when it comes to bathrooms, flag laws, protest laws, children's sports, public & school libraries, marriage laws, immigration laws, sexual/reproductive health...\n\"Pro truth\" except when it comes to climate change, foreign propaganda, medical science, legal theories, lying conservative politicians, American history...\n\"Pro USA\" except when it comes to polluting our water/soil/air/national parks, protecting our people from a virus, defending ourselves from foreign dictators' influence, respecting the ideals of democracy, support of international dictators in NK/Russia/China/Saudia Arabia/etc...\n\"Pro rural\" except when it comes to primarily supporting wealthy urban elites, multinational media conglomerates, devastation of rural infrastructure and economies, development of rural educational infrastructure...\n\nIn effect what you have is a wealthy elite that have weaponized social media in order to outsource their own PR/propaganda/public defense to gullible and disaffected individuals. The fascist engine works by transmuting populist anger (partially created by wealth inequality and stoked social issues) into focused political power - a \"strong\" authoritarian leader. If you look at what right wingers say vs what they ignore, only one viable conclusion emerges: The rhetoric is a smokescreen. They only care about power, preservation of power, and withholding of power from people they don't like. And they'll use any rhetoric to mask the fascist desires lurking in the muck of their souls, even if it means contradicting themselves 10 seconds later. All the while contributing to a festering crab-bucket mentality that drives intra-class conflict. \nDon't look for logical or semantic consistency across fascists' statements and beliefs: the real commonalities are who they affect in that moment: protecting themselves and their in-groups, or hurting anyone that \"threatens\" that. And by the way some behave, existence alone can seem a threat. \nBut, it literally doesn't pay to point hypocrisies out. You can do so, but there's no guarantee your interlocutor won't ignore it/twist words/deflect/change topics/smile glibly at the visible frustration on your face as truth and meaning erode in front of you. They either can't recognize the chasm between their words and actions, or they willfully ignore it. And if years of headlines pointing out hypocrisy haven't led them to reconsider, we have to accept that it's intentional. Continuing to broadcast the hypocrisies reinforces the right's beliefs that they are an effective tactic of choking/controlling discourse, and shows them that they can keep getting away with evil actions because we only hold them accountable for their words.\nThe way to fight them is not to engage with the elites of the movement - but to push back at friends and relatives who support the movement. Ignore the hypocritical drivel they push, hammer away more pressing issues, and leverage your social power for good. The Soap Box will be a lot more impactful than the ballot box in the long term.",
">\n\nThe bar for Republican plausible deniability has never been lower. This is all gaslighting - a desperate swing for false equivalency and self-victimization. These are bad faith hearings - lies. Republicans are waging war on the United States from inside our own government. Defy them.",
">\n\nI really hope that pics of Hunter's massive dong get entered into the official record. Not even LBJ got that!",
">\n\nTwitter files and Hunter Biden two things that mean nothing to me",
">\n\nSo, whose intern is picking up the blown up, blurred pic of Hunter’s junk from Kinko’s for these hearings?"
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Oh we're having hearings about selectively released documents that show basically nothing now?
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut",
">\n\nThey really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about.",
">\n\nOf course they want to crucify the offspring of a political rival while protecting their own. \nYou can't shame, surprise, or correct these conservatives (including their supporters) using gotcha moments and hypocrisy. Every single issue - you can catch the right making disingenuous arguments. They don't care. Coherence and consistency of rhetoric and action is not their goal. Power and hegemony are their goals, and hypocrisy is just one strategy for accomplishing it. In fact, it's become a sport for them: rack up the most points, and any opposition focused on your words will never be able to hold you accountable for your actions. Kayfabe and theatrics. \nI beg everyone. Stop focusing so much on gotchas, and instead focus on getting out the vote. Focus on right-wing violence, treason, tolerance of domestic terrorists, and apathy for real problems affecting middle and lower-class Americans. Pointing out hypocrisy does almost nothing - it arguably makes it worse. The people you accuse don't care. Reactive discourse like \"Trump says X, but does Y\" is not a viable strategy for promoting political agendas. We need to focus on issues, and not the hypothetical positions of our opponents. Promote the bolstering of our voting rights, climate change readiness/mitigation, infrastructure development, education, worker's rights, non-violence, and affordable healthcare.\nA brief list of conservative \"positions\" that they pretend to care about (and in fact glibly appreciate for the frustrating effect it has on discourse): \n\n\"Pro-Life\" Except in the case of homeless, unviable pregnancies, wars, children in poverty, refugees, domestic violence, mass shootings, affordable healthcare and medicine, queer/trans suicides...\n\"Pro sexual decency\" except in the case of decades worth of right-winger sexual assault/rape scandals, lawsuits, accusations, pedophilia, affairs, pornography use, and sex trafficking....\n\"Anti-elite\" except in the case of dictators, oligarchs, (conservative) billionaires, Wall Street...\n\"Pro-freedom\" except in the case of access to certain books, certain forms of expression, certain causes for protest, certain religions, certain forms of dress...\n\"Pro rule of law\" except in the case of wealthy conservative sex offenders, tax fraud/dodgers, voter fraud, espionage, treason, political violence, environmental laws, democratic processes, police violence, abuse of the legal/appeals system, violating established legal precedent...\n\"Fiscally responsible\" except in the case of subsidies to unsustainable industries, ignoring climate change's economic impact, funding for programs to alleviate costs for raising families, investing in education to compete in a global economy, debt ceiling negotiations...\n\"Pro religion\" except in the case of literally anything other than their specific evangelical niche, and ignoring Christ's call to be kind/tolerant/accepting/loving/patient/respectful of the environment...\n\"Pro Constitution\" except when it comes to parts of it they don't like (separation of church & state, 4th amendment, 1st amendment, 8th amendment, 'well regulated militias', 14th amendment) ...\n\"Pro family\" except in the case of keeping children with their parents, or letting 2 capable parents in a civil union adopt, affordable housing, healthcare costs, rightwing politician affairs, medical care and affordable groceries...\n\"Pro small government\" except when it comes to bathrooms, flag laws, protest laws, children's sports, public & school libraries, marriage laws, immigration laws, sexual/reproductive health...\n\"Pro truth\" except when it comes to climate change, foreign propaganda, medical science, legal theories, lying conservative politicians, American history...\n\"Pro USA\" except when it comes to polluting our water/soil/air/national parks, protecting our people from a virus, defending ourselves from foreign dictators' influence, respecting the ideals of democracy, support of international dictators in NK/Russia/China/Saudia Arabia/etc...\n\"Pro rural\" except when it comes to primarily supporting wealthy urban elites, multinational media conglomerates, devastation of rural infrastructure and economies, development of rural educational infrastructure...\n\nIn effect what you have is a wealthy elite that have weaponized social media in order to outsource their own PR/propaganda/public defense to gullible and disaffected individuals. The fascist engine works by transmuting populist anger (partially created by wealth inequality and stoked social issues) into focused political power - a \"strong\" authoritarian leader. If you look at what right wingers say vs what they ignore, only one viable conclusion emerges: The rhetoric is a smokescreen. They only care about power, preservation of power, and withholding of power from people they don't like. And they'll use any rhetoric to mask the fascist desires lurking in the muck of their souls, even if it means contradicting themselves 10 seconds later. All the while contributing to a festering crab-bucket mentality that drives intra-class conflict. \nDon't look for logical or semantic consistency across fascists' statements and beliefs: the real commonalities are who they affect in that moment: protecting themselves and their in-groups, or hurting anyone that \"threatens\" that. And by the way some behave, existence alone can seem a threat. \nBut, it literally doesn't pay to point hypocrisies out. You can do so, but there's no guarantee your interlocutor won't ignore it/twist words/deflect/change topics/smile glibly at the visible frustration on your face as truth and meaning erode in front of you. They either can't recognize the chasm between their words and actions, or they willfully ignore it. And if years of headlines pointing out hypocrisy haven't led them to reconsider, we have to accept that it's intentional. Continuing to broadcast the hypocrisies reinforces the right's beliefs that they are an effective tactic of choking/controlling discourse, and shows them that they can keep getting away with evil actions because we only hold them accountable for their words.\nThe way to fight them is not to engage with the elites of the movement - but to push back at friends and relatives who support the movement. Ignore the hypocritical drivel they push, hammer away more pressing issues, and leverage your social power for good. The Soap Box will be a lot more impactful than the ballot box in the long term.",
">\n\nThe bar for Republican plausible deniability has never been lower. This is all gaslighting - a desperate swing for false equivalency and self-victimization. These are bad faith hearings - lies. Republicans are waging war on the United States from inside our own government. Defy them.",
">\n\nI really hope that pics of Hunter's massive dong get entered into the official record. Not even LBJ got that!",
">\n\nTwitter files and Hunter Biden two things that mean nothing to me",
">\n\nSo, whose intern is picking up the blown up, blurred pic of Hunter’s junk from Kinko’s for these hearings?",
">\n\nThis shit is gonna get really old really fucking fast."
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Let the fbi do their jobs.
Can we maybe spend time investigating price gouging?
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut",
">\n\nThey really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about.",
">\n\nOf course they want to crucify the offspring of a political rival while protecting their own. \nYou can't shame, surprise, or correct these conservatives (including their supporters) using gotcha moments and hypocrisy. Every single issue - you can catch the right making disingenuous arguments. They don't care. Coherence and consistency of rhetoric and action is not their goal. Power and hegemony are their goals, and hypocrisy is just one strategy for accomplishing it. In fact, it's become a sport for them: rack up the most points, and any opposition focused on your words will never be able to hold you accountable for your actions. Kayfabe and theatrics. \nI beg everyone. Stop focusing so much on gotchas, and instead focus on getting out the vote. Focus on right-wing violence, treason, tolerance of domestic terrorists, and apathy for real problems affecting middle and lower-class Americans. Pointing out hypocrisy does almost nothing - it arguably makes it worse. The people you accuse don't care. Reactive discourse like \"Trump says X, but does Y\" is not a viable strategy for promoting political agendas. We need to focus on issues, and not the hypothetical positions of our opponents. Promote the bolstering of our voting rights, climate change readiness/mitigation, infrastructure development, education, worker's rights, non-violence, and affordable healthcare.\nA brief list of conservative \"positions\" that they pretend to care about (and in fact glibly appreciate for the frustrating effect it has on discourse): \n\n\"Pro-Life\" Except in the case of homeless, unviable pregnancies, wars, children in poverty, refugees, domestic violence, mass shootings, affordable healthcare and medicine, queer/trans suicides...\n\"Pro sexual decency\" except in the case of decades worth of right-winger sexual assault/rape scandals, lawsuits, accusations, pedophilia, affairs, pornography use, and sex trafficking....\n\"Anti-elite\" except in the case of dictators, oligarchs, (conservative) billionaires, Wall Street...\n\"Pro-freedom\" except in the case of access to certain books, certain forms of expression, certain causes for protest, certain religions, certain forms of dress...\n\"Pro rule of law\" except in the case of wealthy conservative sex offenders, tax fraud/dodgers, voter fraud, espionage, treason, political violence, environmental laws, democratic processes, police violence, abuse of the legal/appeals system, violating established legal precedent...\n\"Fiscally responsible\" except in the case of subsidies to unsustainable industries, ignoring climate change's economic impact, funding for programs to alleviate costs for raising families, investing in education to compete in a global economy, debt ceiling negotiations...\n\"Pro religion\" except in the case of literally anything other than their specific evangelical niche, and ignoring Christ's call to be kind/tolerant/accepting/loving/patient/respectful of the environment...\n\"Pro Constitution\" except when it comes to parts of it they don't like (separation of church & state, 4th amendment, 1st amendment, 8th amendment, 'well regulated militias', 14th amendment) ...\n\"Pro family\" except in the case of keeping children with their parents, or letting 2 capable parents in a civil union adopt, affordable housing, healthcare costs, rightwing politician affairs, medical care and affordable groceries...\n\"Pro small government\" except when it comes to bathrooms, flag laws, protest laws, children's sports, public & school libraries, marriage laws, immigration laws, sexual/reproductive health...\n\"Pro truth\" except when it comes to climate change, foreign propaganda, medical science, legal theories, lying conservative politicians, American history...\n\"Pro USA\" except when it comes to polluting our water/soil/air/national parks, protecting our people from a virus, defending ourselves from foreign dictators' influence, respecting the ideals of democracy, support of international dictators in NK/Russia/China/Saudia Arabia/etc...\n\"Pro rural\" except when it comes to primarily supporting wealthy urban elites, multinational media conglomerates, devastation of rural infrastructure and economies, development of rural educational infrastructure...\n\nIn effect what you have is a wealthy elite that have weaponized social media in order to outsource their own PR/propaganda/public defense to gullible and disaffected individuals. The fascist engine works by transmuting populist anger (partially created by wealth inequality and stoked social issues) into focused political power - a \"strong\" authoritarian leader. If you look at what right wingers say vs what they ignore, only one viable conclusion emerges: The rhetoric is a smokescreen. They only care about power, preservation of power, and withholding of power from people they don't like. And they'll use any rhetoric to mask the fascist desires lurking in the muck of their souls, even if it means contradicting themselves 10 seconds later. All the while contributing to a festering crab-bucket mentality that drives intra-class conflict. \nDon't look for logical or semantic consistency across fascists' statements and beliefs: the real commonalities are who they affect in that moment: protecting themselves and their in-groups, or hurting anyone that \"threatens\" that. And by the way some behave, existence alone can seem a threat. \nBut, it literally doesn't pay to point hypocrisies out. You can do so, but there's no guarantee your interlocutor won't ignore it/twist words/deflect/change topics/smile glibly at the visible frustration on your face as truth and meaning erode in front of you. They either can't recognize the chasm between their words and actions, or they willfully ignore it. And if years of headlines pointing out hypocrisy haven't led them to reconsider, we have to accept that it's intentional. Continuing to broadcast the hypocrisies reinforces the right's beliefs that they are an effective tactic of choking/controlling discourse, and shows them that they can keep getting away with evil actions because we only hold them accountable for their words.\nThe way to fight them is not to engage with the elites of the movement - but to push back at friends and relatives who support the movement. Ignore the hypocritical drivel they push, hammer away more pressing issues, and leverage your social power for good. The Soap Box will be a lot more impactful than the ballot box in the long term.",
">\n\nThe bar for Republican plausible deniability has never been lower. This is all gaslighting - a desperate swing for false equivalency and self-victimization. These are bad faith hearings - lies. Republicans are waging war on the United States from inside our own government. Defy them.",
">\n\nI really hope that pics of Hunter's massive dong get entered into the official record. Not even LBJ got that!",
">\n\nTwitter files and Hunter Biden two things that mean nothing to me",
">\n\nSo, whose intern is picking up the blown up, blurred pic of Hunter’s junk from Kinko’s for these hearings?",
">\n\nThis shit is gonna get really old really fucking fast.",
">\n\nOh we're having hearings about selectively released documents that show basically nothing now?"
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"My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden stuff is, at least with the \"laptop\", you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, for a customer that he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able (and therefore rendered generally not admissible in court as evidence)\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election). And therefore generally rendering the \"laptop\" inadmissible as evidence in court.\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\" (ooo, potentially inserting false EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, perhaps?)\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nIn fact, a Republican-led Senate investigation in 2020, chaired by Ron Johnson, found no wrongdoing by Hunter Biden in relation to his ties to Ukraine and Burisma.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nYou gotta get through that, and think, \"yep, this is all above board and factually legitimate\"",
">\n\nWhile I concur with EVERYTHING you’ve written, I want to add that even the story of the laptop has changed. Most specifically around who the repair shop owner gave the laptop to. For example, there’s your scenario that you listed about him giving it to Rudy. There’s also a narrative that he gave it to a GOP Deleware operative and finally, there’s a narrative that he gave it to the FBI.\nThere’s also a few narratives about whether it was one laptop or two, or one laptop and a hard drive, or one laptop and the computer repairman made a copy of that hard drive.\nI’ve read multiple accounts of these scenarios above and I cannot find one consistency. Even Giuliani has mentioned that he has two hard drives that belong to Hunter. \nI did read an article that the author interviewed the repairman, and his story was that he gave it directly to the FBI. He made no mention of making copies of the hard drive, which then begs the question of. How did Giuliani ultimately get his paws on it?",
">\n\nYep, I've also heard three different variations of who Jon Paul Mac Isaac contacted, upon discovering the \"bad things on the laptop\":\n\"The FBI called me\", \"I've been emailing with the FBI\", and \"The FBI sent a field agent from Baltimore\".\nHe was unable to follow up with any specifics, and when pressed, apparently devolved into the \"I went with Rudy because he's my lifeguard and I don't want to turn up like Seth Rich\"",
">\n\nSounds conveniently like 'okay we planted the evidence, now call him and tell him the fbi will be coming to get it' to me.",
">\n\nIt must be so surreal to Hunter Biden that so many old guys want to see his penis and are essentially holding hearings about it within the halls of Congress.",
">\n\nThis will be Benghazi 2.0 with endless hearings intended to smear/weaken political opponents. There were something like 10 hearings/investigations into the Benghazi attack, including one done by a House select committee. I expect something similar here.",
">\n\nIf you are a source for breaking stories, the very least we should require is proof of your claims. We’re past “misinformation” at this point, and any public, online forum should be legally required to vet their posts or subject to massive fines. You simply cannot allow the public to have access false stories. We’ve lost the ability to tell truth from fiction. The first amendment is a great idea, but we’ve let it ride for almost 250 years. It’s time for an update.",
">\n\nNot specific to Hunter, but at this point I'm honestly starting to question whether some public figures regularly consent or authorize this misinformation being posted on their behalf, with permission, or via an agent's authorization. Possibly even to \"prove a point.\" That raises an interesting question: are some of these stories potentially \"authorized\" and what are the ramifications if authorized misinformation is circled by the public after being published by a client acting on behalf of an agent or portfolio of clients. \nI speculate this may be probably in the news entertainment industry seeing as you rarely see actual legal recourses taken, like basic C&Ds. Nor do you really see serious attempts to lobby changes to these practices - despite it obviously being something that seem to make a lot of people 'unhappy.'",
">\n\nDoing nothing to actually solve problems for the American people. Focussing their new power on exposing inappropriate nude pictures of Hunter Biden. Talk about a bunch of groomers. Just sick and twisted retrumplican crap.",
">\n\nMy fave is that the right has claimed there is cp on the laptop and instead of turning it into police, Rudy held onto it for a year. Makes sense.",
">\n\nRudy had to review it for legitimacy. 3-400 times daily",
">\n\nMy favorite part of these \"investigations\" are the White Boards. It's like kindergarten PowerPoint. :-) \nI like to imagine that some congressional intern had to go down to Office Depot and buy a couple sheets of poster board, Elmer's glue sticks and a package of rainbow magic markers. Then they spend like 4 hours cutting out and gluing down blown up pictures of Hunter Biden's dazzling sturdy one-eyed trouser snake. \nGotta make that shiznit professional as possible.\n3D lettering, fringe tassels and glitter are optional.",
">\n\nThe whole laptop story is such a fucking nothingburger.",
">\n\nHave they touched on that airtight chain of custody yet, or are they going to save it for later?",
">\n\nFox news speculated that Biden would not shoot down the Chinese balloon because it had evidence on Hunter's laptop. That laptop sure gets around.",
">\n\nHunter should appear at the hearing and just whip his junk out and take no questions.",
">\n\nMost people do not give a damn about these \"investigations\". We should call it what it is, political theater. People will not chime in because it is just dumb. Then the right will cry \"media is not covering this because they are trying to hide the truth\".",
">\n\nI mean, I prefer that they waste their own time with this nonsense rather than their usual schtick of trying to destroy democracy.",
">\n\nMaking up excuses to attack your opposition is how you dismantle democracy and is straight out of the fascist playbook.",
">\n\nHunter Biden isn't even their opposition, though.... he's effectively just a random private citizen.",
">\n\nIt absolutely doesn't resonate with me, but apparently the Republican base laps it up. \nI don't think the Hunter Biden investigation is meant to influence Democrats.",
">\n\nLolwut",
">\n\nThey really want people to see Hunters dong for some reason. It’s literally all they think about.",
">\n\nOf course they want to crucify the offspring of a political rival while protecting their own. \nYou can't shame, surprise, or correct these conservatives (including their supporters) using gotcha moments and hypocrisy. Every single issue - you can catch the right making disingenuous arguments. They don't care. Coherence and consistency of rhetoric and action is not their goal. Power and hegemony are their goals, and hypocrisy is just one strategy for accomplishing it. In fact, it's become a sport for them: rack up the most points, and any opposition focused on your words will never be able to hold you accountable for your actions. Kayfabe and theatrics. \nI beg everyone. Stop focusing so much on gotchas, and instead focus on getting out the vote. Focus on right-wing violence, treason, tolerance of domestic terrorists, and apathy for real problems affecting middle and lower-class Americans. Pointing out hypocrisy does almost nothing - it arguably makes it worse. The people you accuse don't care. Reactive discourse like \"Trump says X, but does Y\" is not a viable strategy for promoting political agendas. We need to focus on issues, and not the hypothetical positions of our opponents. Promote the bolstering of our voting rights, climate change readiness/mitigation, infrastructure development, education, worker's rights, non-violence, and affordable healthcare.\nA brief list of conservative \"positions\" that they pretend to care about (and in fact glibly appreciate for the frustrating effect it has on discourse): \n\n\"Pro-Life\" Except in the case of homeless, unviable pregnancies, wars, children in poverty, refugees, domestic violence, mass shootings, affordable healthcare and medicine, queer/trans suicides...\n\"Pro sexual decency\" except in the case of decades worth of right-winger sexual assault/rape scandals, lawsuits, accusations, pedophilia, affairs, pornography use, and sex trafficking....\n\"Anti-elite\" except in the case of dictators, oligarchs, (conservative) billionaires, Wall Street...\n\"Pro-freedom\" except in the case of access to certain books, certain forms of expression, certain causes for protest, certain religions, certain forms of dress...\n\"Pro rule of law\" except in the case of wealthy conservative sex offenders, tax fraud/dodgers, voter fraud, espionage, treason, political violence, environmental laws, democratic processes, police violence, abuse of the legal/appeals system, violating established legal precedent...\n\"Fiscally responsible\" except in the case of subsidies to unsustainable industries, ignoring climate change's economic impact, funding for programs to alleviate costs for raising families, investing in education to compete in a global economy, debt ceiling negotiations...\n\"Pro religion\" except in the case of literally anything other than their specific evangelical niche, and ignoring Christ's call to be kind/tolerant/accepting/loving/patient/respectful of the environment...\n\"Pro Constitution\" except when it comes to parts of it they don't like (separation of church & state, 4th amendment, 1st amendment, 8th amendment, 'well regulated militias', 14th amendment) ...\n\"Pro family\" except in the case of keeping children with their parents, or letting 2 capable parents in a civil union adopt, affordable housing, healthcare costs, rightwing politician affairs, medical care and affordable groceries...\n\"Pro small government\" except when it comes to bathrooms, flag laws, protest laws, children's sports, public & school libraries, marriage laws, immigration laws, sexual/reproductive health...\n\"Pro truth\" except when it comes to climate change, foreign propaganda, medical science, legal theories, lying conservative politicians, American history...\n\"Pro USA\" except when it comes to polluting our water/soil/air/national parks, protecting our people from a virus, defending ourselves from foreign dictators' influence, respecting the ideals of democracy, support of international dictators in NK/Russia/China/Saudia Arabia/etc...\n\"Pro rural\" except when it comes to primarily supporting wealthy urban elites, multinational media conglomerates, devastation of rural infrastructure and economies, development of rural educational infrastructure...\n\nIn effect what you have is a wealthy elite that have weaponized social media in order to outsource their own PR/propaganda/public defense to gullible and disaffected individuals. The fascist engine works by transmuting populist anger (partially created by wealth inequality and stoked social issues) into focused political power - a \"strong\" authoritarian leader. If you look at what right wingers say vs what they ignore, only one viable conclusion emerges: The rhetoric is a smokescreen. They only care about power, preservation of power, and withholding of power from people they don't like. And they'll use any rhetoric to mask the fascist desires lurking in the muck of their souls, even if it means contradicting themselves 10 seconds later. All the while contributing to a festering crab-bucket mentality that drives intra-class conflict. \nDon't look for logical or semantic consistency across fascists' statements and beliefs: the real commonalities are who they affect in that moment: protecting themselves and their in-groups, or hurting anyone that \"threatens\" that. And by the way some behave, existence alone can seem a threat. \nBut, it literally doesn't pay to point hypocrisies out. You can do so, but there's no guarantee your interlocutor won't ignore it/twist words/deflect/change topics/smile glibly at the visible frustration on your face as truth and meaning erode in front of you. They either can't recognize the chasm between their words and actions, or they willfully ignore it. And if years of headlines pointing out hypocrisy haven't led them to reconsider, we have to accept that it's intentional. Continuing to broadcast the hypocrisies reinforces the right's beliefs that they are an effective tactic of choking/controlling discourse, and shows them that they can keep getting away with evil actions because we only hold them accountable for their words.\nThe way to fight them is not to engage with the elites of the movement - but to push back at friends and relatives who support the movement. Ignore the hypocritical drivel they push, hammer away more pressing issues, and leverage your social power for good. The Soap Box will be a lot more impactful than the ballot box in the long term.",
">\n\nThe bar for Republican plausible deniability has never been lower. This is all gaslighting - a desperate swing for false equivalency and self-victimization. These are bad faith hearings - lies. Republicans are waging war on the United States from inside our own government. Defy them.",
">\n\nI really hope that pics of Hunter's massive dong get entered into the official record. Not even LBJ got that!",
">\n\nTwitter files and Hunter Biden two things that mean nothing to me",
">\n\nSo, whose intern is picking up the blown up, blurred pic of Hunter’s junk from Kinko’s for these hearings?",
">\n\nThis shit is gonna get really old really fucking fast.",
">\n\nOh we're having hearings about selectively released documents that show basically nothing now?",
">\n\nOh my god I don’t care. \nLet the fbi do their jobs.\nCan we maybe spend time investigating price gouging?"
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Excellent news. Ukraine needs exactly this- high quantities of weapons that are good enough, not the perfect weapon.
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I'd help to build them personally if I didn't have a job already. Fuck Putin
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"Excellent news. Ukraine needs exactly this- high quantities of weapons that are good enough, not the perfect weapon."
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"Excellent news. Ukraine needs exactly this- high quantities of weapons that are good enough, not the perfect weapon.",
">\n\nI'd help to build them personally if I didn't have a job already. Fuck Putin"
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Is anyone surprised? Their whole party is full of traitors and insurrectionists.
Label them what they are: domestic terrorists
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Yes. And hey fuck the constitution except for their rights but no one else's under the 1st and 2nd amendments
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Insurrectionists stick together
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"Is anyone surprised? Their whole party is full of traitors and insurrectionists. \nLabel them what they are: domestic terrorists",
">\n\nYes. And hey fuck the constitution except for their rights but no one else's under the 1st and 2nd amendments"
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We need to give these assholes the Brock Turner treatment.
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"Is anyone surprised? Their whole party is full of traitors and insurrectionists. \nLabel them what they are: domestic terrorists",
">\n\nYes. And hey fuck the constitution except for their rights but no one else's under the 1st and 2nd amendments",
">\n\nInsurrectionists stick together"
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"Is anyone surprised? Their whole party is full of traitors and insurrectionists. \nLabel them what they are: domestic terrorists",
">\n\nYes. And hey fuck the constitution except for their rights but no one else's under the 1st and 2nd amendments",
">\n\nInsurrectionists stick together",
">\n\nWe need to give these assholes the Brock Turner treatment."
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Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.
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Not only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.
But really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though."
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I drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume."
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I obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion"
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So are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?
The "people are mainlining coffee" and "it's 90% milk" arguments kind of work against each other.
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk"
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I think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other."
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"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly.
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day"
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"I'm so insecure I feel personally attacked by a Reddit thread."
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me\" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly."
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Careful I hear someone pouring coffee nearby, wouldn't want you to have a seizure.
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me\" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly.",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure I feel personally attacked by a Reddit thread.\""
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When did I say I was against the consumption of coffee? You are taking this personally. I just think its overindulged
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me\" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly.",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure I feel personally attacked by a Reddit thread.\"",
">\n\nCareful I hear someone pouring coffee nearby, wouldn't want you to have a seizure."
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I like it and it energizes me, I know lt's probably not the best for my anxieties but I don't drink it every day anyways
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me\" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly.",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure I feel personally attacked by a Reddit thread.\"",
">\n\nCareful I hear someone pouring coffee nearby, wouldn't want you to have a seizure.",
">\n\nWhen did I say I was against the consumption of coffee? You are taking this personally. I just think its overindulged"
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Yeah, I don't think it should be avoided entirely. Just like soda, moderation.
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me\" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly.",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure I feel personally attacked by a Reddit thread.\"",
">\n\nCareful I hear someone pouring coffee nearby, wouldn't want you to have a seizure.",
">\n\nWhen did I say I was against the consumption of coffee? You are taking this personally. I just think its overindulged",
">\n\nI like it and it energizes me, I know lt's probably not the best for my anxieties but I don't drink it every day anyways"
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I get mad when I go to take a drink that should be majority coffee and it's just coffee-flavored milk.
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me\" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly.",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure I feel personally attacked by a Reddit thread.\"",
">\n\nCareful I hear someone pouring coffee nearby, wouldn't want you to have a seizure.",
">\n\nWhen did I say I was against the consumption of coffee? You are taking this personally. I just think its overindulged",
">\n\nI like it and it energizes me, I know lt's probably not the best for my anxieties but I don't drink it every day anyways",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think it should be avoided entirely. Just like soda, moderation."
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Why don't you just let people drink whatever they want?
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me\" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly.",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure I feel personally attacked by a Reddit thread.\"",
">\n\nCareful I hear someone pouring coffee nearby, wouldn't want you to have a seizure.",
">\n\nWhen did I say I was against the consumption of coffee? You are taking this personally. I just think its overindulged",
">\n\nI like it and it energizes me, I know lt's probably not the best for my anxieties but I don't drink it every day anyways",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think it should be avoided entirely. Just like soda, moderation.",
">\n\nI get mad when I go to take a drink that should be majority coffee and it's just coffee-flavored milk."
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imma take that argument to an AA meeting
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me\" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly.",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure I feel personally attacked by a Reddit thread.\"",
">\n\nCareful I hear someone pouring coffee nearby, wouldn't want you to have a seizure.",
">\n\nWhen did I say I was against the consumption of coffee? You are taking this personally. I just think its overindulged",
">\n\nI like it and it energizes me, I know lt's probably not the best for my anxieties but I don't drink it every day anyways",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think it should be avoided entirely. Just like soda, moderation.",
">\n\nI get mad when I go to take a drink that should be majority coffee and it's just coffee-flavored milk.",
">\n\nWhy don't you just let people drink whatever they want?"
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"Not gonna lie, I used to crush iced coffees and complain about anxiety. Now I sip it in the morning until I'm awake enough and stop. So I'm kind of with you on this. I can't speak for micro dosing though.",
">\n\nNot only do some people consume unhealthy amounts of sugar in process, caffeine is bad for your energy levels long term and can cause symptoms like anxiety, bad sleep, caffeine dependence.\nBut really I don't think anyone cares as you shouldn't let people tell you what to consume.",
">\n\nI drink black decaf because I like the taste. Talk about an unpopular opinion",
">\n\nI obviously think there are people that like it. Im more so refering to the ppl who are on their 3rd latte that is 90% milk",
">\n\nSo are people drinking too much caffeine or too little?\nThe \"people are mainlining coffee\" and \"it's 90% milk\" arguments kind of work against each other.",
">\n\nI think 3 shots of espresso each with their own glass of milk is the problem. I get a dark roast or what ever but I remember when ppl were buying 3 of those unicorn Fraps a day",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure that other people drinking a liquid bothers me\" is not really an opinion. I'd say whining, but nothing constructive, profound, or even intelligent certainly.",
">\n\n\"I'm so insecure I feel personally attacked by a Reddit thread.\"",
">\n\nCareful I hear someone pouring coffee nearby, wouldn't want you to have a seizure.",
">\n\nWhen did I say I was against the consumption of coffee? You are taking this personally. I just think its overindulged",
">\n\nI like it and it energizes me, I know lt's probably not the best for my anxieties but I don't drink it every day anyways",
">\n\nYeah, I don't think it should be avoided entirely. Just like soda, moderation.",
">\n\nI get mad when I go to take a drink that should be majority coffee and it's just coffee-flavored milk.",
">\n\nWhy don't you just let people drink whatever they want?",
">\n\nimma take that argument to an AA meeting"
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Sorry but god no.
It burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲
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I'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.
I wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.
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"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲"
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I gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead.
And God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.
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"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them."
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"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!" -3 points
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[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil."
] |
>
Damn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work.
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points"
] |
>
You definitely win the category of “No one I’ve ever met has ever fucking done that.”
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points",
">\n\nDamn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work."
] |
>
Pills are much easier to take with food. Need to finish chewing, add to mouth, then swallow.
Can comfortably take a really surprising number of pills in one go. But, really, don't chew them!
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points",
">\n\nDamn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work.",
">\n\nYou definitely win the category of “No one I’ve ever met has ever fucking done that.”"
] |
>
You have to be juicey.
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points",
">\n\nDamn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work.",
">\n\nYou definitely win the category of “No one I’ve ever met has ever fucking done that.”",
">\n\nPills are much easier to take with food. Need to finish chewing, add to mouth, then swallow.\nCan comfortably take a really surprising number of pills in one go. But, really, don't chew them!"
] |
>
Tried this and had to go to the hospital
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points",
">\n\nDamn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work.",
">\n\nYou definitely win the category of “No one I’ve ever met has ever fucking done that.”",
">\n\nPills are much easier to take with food. Need to finish chewing, add to mouth, then swallow.\nCan comfortably take a really surprising number of pills in one go. But, really, don't chew them!",
">\n\nYou have to be juicey."
] |
>
I use to chew my pills despite the pill itself saying not too when I was younger, I didn't even like the taste of the pill. I also use to swallow it without water, U don't even know how I was able to do it, take my upvote.
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points",
">\n\nDamn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work.",
">\n\nYou definitely win the category of “No one I’ve ever met has ever fucking done that.”",
">\n\nPills are much easier to take with food. Need to finish chewing, add to mouth, then swallow.\nCan comfortably take a really surprising number of pills in one go. But, really, don't chew them!",
">\n\nYou have to be juicey.",
">\n\nTried this and had to go to the hospital"
] |
>
i not u
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points",
">\n\nDamn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work.",
">\n\nYou definitely win the category of “No one I’ve ever met has ever fucking done that.”",
">\n\nPills are much easier to take with food. Need to finish chewing, add to mouth, then swallow.\nCan comfortably take a really surprising number of pills in one go. But, really, don't chew them!",
">\n\nYou have to be juicey.",
">\n\nTried this and had to go to the hospital",
">\n\nI use to chew my pills despite the pill itself saying not too when I was younger, I didn't even like the taste of the pill. I also use to swallow it without water, U don't even know how I was able to do it, take my upvote."
] |
>
This doesn’t even make sense. Scratching your throat hurts when it’s inflamed
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points",
">\n\nDamn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work.",
">\n\nYou definitely win the category of “No one I’ve ever met has ever fucking done that.”",
">\n\nPills are much easier to take with food. Need to finish chewing, add to mouth, then swallow.\nCan comfortably take a really surprising number of pills in one go. But, really, don't chew them!",
">\n\nYou have to be juicey.",
">\n\nTried this and had to go to the hospital",
">\n\nI use to chew my pills despite the pill itself saying not too when I was younger, I didn't even like the taste of the pill. I also use to swallow it without water, U don't even know how I was able to do it, take my upvote.",
">\n\n\ni not u"
] |
>
My fiancé used to dry swallow pills until she got an ulcer from it. She was in extreme pain every time she ate or drank anything until it healed, which was like 3 weeks.
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points",
">\n\nDamn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work.",
">\n\nYou definitely win the category of “No one I’ve ever met has ever fucking done that.”",
">\n\nPills are much easier to take with food. Need to finish chewing, add to mouth, then swallow.\nCan comfortably take a really surprising number of pills in one go. But, really, don't chew them!",
">\n\nYou have to be juicey.",
">\n\nTried this and had to go to the hospital",
">\n\nI use to chew my pills despite the pill itself saying not too when I was younger, I didn't even like the taste of the pill. I also use to swallow it without water, U don't even know how I was able to do it, take my upvote.",
">\n\n\ni not u",
">\n\nThis doesn’t even make sense. Scratching your throat hurts when it’s inflamed"
] |
>
There’s a story of a Dr. Max Pemberton who took tablets regularly without water and woke up with a hole burned through his esophagus.
|
[
"Sorry but god no.\nIt burns all the way down, you like this? 🥲",
">\n\nI'm able to do that 9/10. I never understood peoples complaints about huge pills, it just goes right down.\nI wouldn't say I like it. 1/10 they feel like they get hung in my throat and I'm eating a slice of bread. So I usually take water with them.",
">\n\nI gag on anything bigger than a regular Tylenol capsule. I can't brush my tongue without gagging. When I was pregnant I didn't get my prenatal half the time when it was the prescription pill because the size of it triggered my gag reflex. I had to go get some OTC gummies instead. \nAnd God forbid I'm sick and the only cold/cough option is the huge DayQuil.",
">\n\n\"Interesting! I've never heard of anyone enjoying the sensation of swallowing pills without liquids. That's a unique perspective, and it's great that you found something that provides relief during an uncomfortable time. The human body is truly amazing in its ability to adapt and find comfort!\" -3 points",
">\n\nDamn, this has got to be one of the most unpopular opinions I've seen! Good work.",
">\n\nYou definitely win the category of “No one I’ve ever met has ever fucking done that.”",
">\n\nPills are much easier to take with food. Need to finish chewing, add to mouth, then swallow.\nCan comfortably take a really surprising number of pills in one go. But, really, don't chew them!",
">\n\nYou have to be juicey.",
">\n\nTried this and had to go to the hospital",
">\n\nI use to chew my pills despite the pill itself saying not too when I was younger, I didn't even like the taste of the pill. I also use to swallow it without water, U don't even know how I was able to do it, take my upvote.",
">\n\n\ni not u",
">\n\nThis doesn’t even make sense. Scratching your throat hurts when it’s inflamed",
">\n\nMy fiancé used to dry swallow pills until she got an ulcer from it. She was in extreme pain every time she ate or drank anything until it healed, which was like 3 weeks."
] |
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