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Or are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol"
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This reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again."
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Maybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials."
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or as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move
just a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him."
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I imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world"
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it be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying"
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I take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego."
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Have you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy."
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Not if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?"
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It’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest."
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Smoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled."
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Unless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity"
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Imagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?"
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Formless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic."
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I picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you"
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I think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form."
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Dissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.
Edit: this was the very next post on my feed haha
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person."
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If buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha"
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Would each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?"
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I think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?"
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That or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically."
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I know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.
They tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to "how".
There are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.
That is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part "missing" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.
But then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode "Tuvix". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion."
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Sad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story."
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them."
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it"
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Or each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in"
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Pretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon."
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I’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no."
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?"
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Smoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one"
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I'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!"
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I assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind."
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I'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure."
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Then assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth."
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another."
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It would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds."
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I imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks."
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I imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind."
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What if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled."
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No, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?"
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Indont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between."
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Did you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not"
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Or are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain."
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In "A Fire Upon the Deep," an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.
The dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<
Maybe the legos feel like that!
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?"
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I think it would be like forky from toy story 4.
More like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently
Or
Like the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!"
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I mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top"
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not all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter."
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The question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.
What made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc."
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Nah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4"
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Just a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces."
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Where I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you.."
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis."
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what if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\""
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows"
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I imagine they live much like "The Thing" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎"
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Feel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole"
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces"
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What if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death"
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I would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now."
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Forky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures"
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What would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way"
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?"
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Has anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another."
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They address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies."
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Ok, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase."
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I think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink."
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Why? It would just put itself together when no human is around.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole."
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This begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around."
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What if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day."
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If they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again."
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No, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?"
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Does the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking."
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I'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?"
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I'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the "swarm of bees" of the toy world
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split"
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I gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.
When assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world"
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I think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.
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"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff."
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That would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets."
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works."
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\""
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Nah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together."
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What if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed"
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There are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing."
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious."
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…"
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If I had to storyboard a toy story esque Lego set, all the individual pieces would have a set of eyes and a high pitched voice like a minion, and they'd all swarm together to build whatever bigger vehicle / creature that would have a different voice when assembled.
Is there even an instance where a toy freaks out over bodily harm / dismemberment? I don't remember.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…",
">\n\nYou kidding? It must be like being a kid again. Sheer, unbridled potential lays at your feet and all that's left to do is harness it."
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I'm guessing it's more like Voltron or those construction transformers where the whole is mightier than the pieces but the pieces have their own personalities.
Also, Legos only being assembled as sets and not freely combined is a travesty.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…",
">\n\nYou kidding? It must be like being a kid again. Sheer, unbridled potential lays at your feet and all that's left to do is harness it.",
">\n\nIf I had to storyboard a toy story esque Lego set, all the individual pieces would have a set of eyes and a high pitched voice like a minion, and they'd all swarm together to build whatever bigger vehicle / creature that would have a different voice when assembled. \nIs there even an instance where a toy freaks out over bodily harm / dismemberment? I don't remember."
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Philosophically, what exact point does a Lego go from unassembled pieces to a recognizable toy?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…",
">\n\nYou kidding? It must be like being a kid again. Sheer, unbridled potential lays at your feet and all that's left to do is harness it.",
">\n\nIf I had to storyboard a toy story esque Lego set, all the individual pieces would have a set of eyes and a high pitched voice like a minion, and they'd all swarm together to build whatever bigger vehicle / creature that would have a different voice when assembled. \nIs there even an instance where a toy freaks out over bodily harm / dismemberment? I don't remember.",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's more like Voltron or those construction transformers where the whole is mightier than the pieces but the pieces have their own personalities. \nAlso, Legos only being assembled as sets and not freely combined is a travesty."
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Or each piece is it’s own being and when they’re assembled they turn into some kind of Rat King-like monstrosity
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…",
">\n\nYou kidding? It must be like being a kid again. Sheer, unbridled potential lays at your feet and all that's left to do is harness it.",
">\n\nIf I had to storyboard a toy story esque Lego set, all the individual pieces would have a set of eyes and a high pitched voice like a minion, and they'd all swarm together to build whatever bigger vehicle / creature that would have a different voice when assembled. \nIs there even an instance where a toy freaks out over bodily harm / dismemberment? I don't remember.",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's more like Voltron or those construction transformers where the whole is mightier than the pieces but the pieces have their own personalities. \nAlso, Legos only being assembled as sets and not freely combined is a travesty.",
">\n\nPhilosophically, what exact point does a Lego go from unassembled pieces to a recognizable toy?"
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I picture it more like a hive mind that is created as you build.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…",
">\n\nYou kidding? It must be like being a kid again. Sheer, unbridled potential lays at your feet and all that's left to do is harness it.",
">\n\nIf I had to storyboard a toy story esque Lego set, all the individual pieces would have a set of eyes and a high pitched voice like a minion, and they'd all swarm together to build whatever bigger vehicle / creature that would have a different voice when assembled. \nIs there even an instance where a toy freaks out over bodily harm / dismemberment? I don't remember.",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's more like Voltron or those construction transformers where the whole is mightier than the pieces but the pieces have their own personalities. \nAlso, Legos only being assembled as sets and not freely combined is a travesty.",
">\n\nPhilosophically, what exact point does a Lego go from unassembled pieces to a recognizable toy?",
">\n\nOr each piece is it’s own being and when they’re assembled they turn into some kind of Rat King-like monstrosity"
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I don’t think the toy would gain sentience until it was assembled.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…",
">\n\nYou kidding? It must be like being a kid again. Sheer, unbridled potential lays at your feet and all that's left to do is harness it.",
">\n\nIf I had to storyboard a toy story esque Lego set, all the individual pieces would have a set of eyes and a high pitched voice like a minion, and they'd all swarm together to build whatever bigger vehicle / creature that would have a different voice when assembled. \nIs there even an instance where a toy freaks out over bodily harm / dismemberment? I don't remember.",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's more like Voltron or those construction transformers where the whole is mightier than the pieces but the pieces have their own personalities. \nAlso, Legos only being assembled as sets and not freely combined is a travesty.",
">\n\nPhilosophically, what exact point does a Lego go from unassembled pieces to a recognizable toy?",
">\n\nOr each piece is it’s own being and when they’re assembled they turn into some kind of Rat King-like monstrosity",
">\n\nI picture it more like a hive mind that is created as you build."
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So if Andy kept any premier Lego sets in the box the other toys just quietly shuddered every time they went by the case?
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…",
">\n\nYou kidding? It must be like being a kid again. Sheer, unbridled potential lays at your feet and all that's left to do is harness it.",
">\n\nIf I had to storyboard a toy story esque Lego set, all the individual pieces would have a set of eyes and a high pitched voice like a minion, and they'd all swarm together to build whatever bigger vehicle / creature that would have a different voice when assembled. \nIs there even an instance where a toy freaks out over bodily harm / dismemberment? I don't remember.",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's more like Voltron or those construction transformers where the whole is mightier than the pieces but the pieces have their own personalities. \nAlso, Legos only being assembled as sets and not freely combined is a travesty.",
">\n\nPhilosophically, what exact point does a Lego go from unassembled pieces to a recognizable toy?",
">\n\nOr each piece is it’s own being and when they’re assembled they turn into some kind of Rat King-like monstrosity",
">\n\nI picture it more like a hive mind that is created as you build.",
">\n\nI don’t think the toy would gain sentience until it was assembled."
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its an existence our feeble human minds cannot comprehend. legos are on another level of consciousness.
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…",
">\n\nYou kidding? It must be like being a kid again. Sheer, unbridled potential lays at your feet and all that's left to do is harness it.",
">\n\nIf I had to storyboard a toy story esque Lego set, all the individual pieces would have a set of eyes and a high pitched voice like a minion, and they'd all swarm together to build whatever bigger vehicle / creature that would have a different voice when assembled. \nIs there even an instance where a toy freaks out over bodily harm / dismemberment? I don't remember.",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's more like Voltron or those construction transformers where the whole is mightier than the pieces but the pieces have their own personalities. \nAlso, Legos only being assembled as sets and not freely combined is a travesty.",
">\n\nPhilosophically, what exact point does a Lego go from unassembled pieces to a recognizable toy?",
">\n\nOr each piece is it’s own being and when they’re assembled they turn into some kind of Rat King-like monstrosity",
">\n\nI picture it more like a hive mind that is created as you build.",
">\n\nI don’t think the toy would gain sentience until it was assembled.",
">\n\nSo if Andy kept any premier Lego sets in the box the other toys just quietly shuddered every time they went by the case?"
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">\n\nMeh, Mrs. Potato Head doesnt appear to be in pain when she is missing an eye in the third movie.",
">\n\nNeither does Mr potato head when he repeatedly gets all his parts thrown everywhere. Or buzz when he loses an arm. Or woody when he loses an arm. Or Bo Peep when she loses an arm. Or cruger when he loses an arm.",
">\n\nEveryone's losing arms. What is this, Star Wars?",
">\n\nThere are several Star Wars references in Toy Story 2.\nSource: I watched it last night with my kids. And the night before that… and the night before that… and the night before that…",
">\n\nI always laugh when Zurg tells the Other Buzz that he is Buzz's father, then at the end of the movie Other Buzz is like \"I'm gonna go play catch with MY DAD!\"",
">\n\nAlways liked that part as well. Makes me irrationally angry watching the new Lightyear movie with my son that they didn't respect Zurg being Buzz's father as canon.",
">\n\nA lot of that movie didn’t make sense tbh",
">\n\nIt could just take place in a kids imagination.\nDisclaimer: I have not seen the movie",
">\n\nNo, it's canonically the movie in the toy story universe Buzz Lightyear is the merchandise of.\nThey tried a twist in which >!Zurg turns out to be not Buzz father, but Buzz from the future!< but it fell kinda flat since a lot of the stuff in the movie didn't make much sense.",
">\n\nNot buzz finds the armour, the robots already say Zurg instead of buzz (he mentions they just count say buzz). The armour comes back online in the post credit scene, not buzz isn’t the true Zurg.\nSigned; a dad to a 3 year old obsessed with lightyear anything.",
">\n\nI feel like Legos would be a hive mind creature. All acting individually but coming together to form one being.",
">\n\nThey address this in the Lego movie.",
">\n\nToy Story and Lego Movies are different franchises though",
">\n\nBut there is a Toy Story Lego set so they could cross over.",
">\n\nYeah, but these are the movies we're talking about. Merch doesn't really factor in that much imo",
">\n\nI mean, the Lego movies are about the merch and make all the crossovers a part of the story. The only reason it didn't happen is because they didn't get the license for it.",
">\n\nDid I really just read an argument about how sentient Legos function in fictional universes?",
">\n\nThis is literally the whole thread",
">\n\nYes but I'm talking to you.",
">\n\nSure, but I don't know what you are expecting several posts down in a topic that is all about overthinking sentient Legos.\nI guess, yeah, you did read it.",
">\n\nOr maybe the perfect way to be a troll. Just leave yourself lying around hallways and high traffic areas.",
">\n\nAn AI Lego set that teams up with Macaulay Culkin, trolling burglars and car jackers. A movie I might watch.",
">\n\nHas to be macaulay as he is now though, just a random sorta awkward 40-something who goes on random youtubers' channel's. Could bring the brick experiment channel along for the ride to make all the gadgets.",
">\n\nI'd think that's more like a sporky thing (was that his name?) \nWhen you assemble the set, it creates a new, live toy, what happens when you disassemble is my question...",
">\n\nIt \"established\" from toystory 1, what breaths life into toys is the imagination given to them.. In short If it's a toy, it's alive.\nSo if you pull the arm off buzz light year it's just an inanimate object with no life of its own since it's the arm of a toy but not normally a toy itself, but sid can stick doll legs on a toy fishing rod and now it's alive and sentient. Anything that can be called a \"toy\" is alive. Even a spork with a face on it or stinky Pete who wasn't ever directly played with. \nSo a lego set has no life on its own in pieces, But once assembled can become alive. It's parts given form. Sure arguably a single piece could be alive.. But really it's just how the writers decide to handle it if we're being honest\nEdit: since it keeps getting commented on.. The actual reason is the script calls for it. And nothing written in the script happens ever because it's just a movie. But that's sucking all the joy out of the post and conversation and I don't think you'd be fun at any parties to argue with fan speculation based on what the movies do show.. And how it could apply to what hasn't been shown.",
">\n\nYes, that's the premise\nBut what when you take them appart?\nDoes it cease to be what it is, no longer exist, until it's again put togheter in other form, and then it becomes something else, OR\nDoes it cease to be, then when put togheter again in another form, it retains what it was in the past, and recognizes being another form, but still the same toy, OR\nDoes it not cease to be at all, like a potato head that keeps being, just not assembled anymore\nOr whatever else you can think of\nSince a lego has no \"main part\" once you take it apart, what part of it will keep being what it was?\nWhat if the set is assembled into a robot, then days after, taken apart, and assembled as two different robots?\nDo they both retain a hive mind of the first toy, or do they become two different, new toys? Or does one of them retains the giant robot being, and the new one just becomes another toy?\nI think I'm having a stroke.",
">\n\nWait till you start thinking about the Cars + Planes universe.",
">\n\nPlanes establishes that there was both a Cars WW2 and a Cars cold war",
">\n\nThe WW2 part has some implications I don't like",
">\n\nAll I'mma say is if Porsche exists then so must Volkswagen",
">\n\nImagine being in a toy collector's collection. And I'm not talking about Al here either.\nYou're just put on a shelf in a certain position and remain there for months at a time. Or just stuck in a box after finally being bought. No wonder the Prospector went nuts!",
">\n\nStill better than having to live in a jar",
">\n\nThem MLP figurines must be traumatized as fuck",
">\n\nNo",
">\n\nYes, Rainbow Dash... Oh yes.",
">\n\nThere is a Toy Story Tale of Horror or whatever it's called on Disney+ that has a lego set disassemble and reassemble at will. I think the key issue is whether or not it's been taken out of the package, so, all its parts can be together and use that assembly skill",
">\n\n‘Toy Story of Terror!’ Came here to say this.",
">\n\nThe bigger question is: does the entire Lego set come to life or just the minifigures? Do we get an animated fire truck or animated little firemen driving a functional firetruck?\nEdit: I’m loving all the deep Toy Story lore!",
">\n\nDon’t the plastic soldiers drive around a non-sentient jeep at some point? I think that answers the question.",
">\n\nThat begs the question, are eyes necessary to be sentient in Toy Story? Miss hooker didn’t have any eyes.. or a lot of Sid’s toys if my memory from 10-25 years ago serves me correctly",
">\n\nThey did before Sid ruined them",
">\n\nToy Story 3 with the tortilla and Toy Story 4 with Sporky really open up a lot of uncomfortable questions about how exactly the \"living toy\" thing works.",
">\n\nI think the implications in Legos are perfectly clear. Only the minifigures head piece is sentient and able to imbue pieces with life.\nNow, what that means in the other scheme of the tortilla or household objects....terrifying.",
">\n\nThe tortilla was never alive, only Mr potato's parts",
">\n\nNo way man. If that were true it would lay flat and he could only flop like a snake. He supports his own weight at one point. Only whatever cosmic horror animates then can do that.",
">\n\nThe Lego Philosophical Conundrum: Purpose or Potential?\nAm I made to be one thing? Am I predestined to exist only in one way not determined by me?\nOr am I free to be whatever the imagination allows me to become? Perhaps it is not perfect, but it is free choice.\nWhat I am meant to be, or what I am free to become.",
">\n\nIs everything awesome?",
">\n\nyes",
">\n\nNah, Lego's are actually a hive-mind. Individually they have little to no sentience, but when formed into colonies they take on the aspects of their appearance.",
">\n\nLegos are just rats, and when you assemble them, they become toy version of a rat king",
">\n\nPortuguese man o’ war.",
">\n\nThe Looping/Race track was an inanimate fucking object in TS1 so I guess construct parts are not alive.\nPlus Fork from TS4 only became alive AFTER he was built.\n.... I'm sorry I called the race track an inanimate fucking object.",
">\n\nYOU’RE an inanimate FUCKING object!",
">\n\nThere are inanimate toys in the movies, we see Lincoln Logs, Mrs Nesbit and Sister, tea cup sets.\nIt's safe to assume Legos wouldn't be sentient, but the Minifigures would be",
">\n\nI mean, that zebra from TS4 in the antique shop had half his body ripped off by the cat and they seemed fine. Same for when Woody ripped his arm in TS2",
">\n\nNah, imagine the plastic models. The vehicles and airplanes, the Star Trek starships and Gunpla",
">\n\nMan, that poor person's pile of shame... Unless they don't gain sentience until put together",
">\n\nI think it is the opposite. When you assemble them they are stuck, but when apart they can become anything. Be like unassembled Lego.",
">\n\nI'd assume it feels the same as being an unassembled human long before you were born. All your molecules were here already, just not in your shape.",
">\n\nMaybe each Lego brick is sentient and they exist as a hive mind when assembled? Maybe Lego structures would try to assimilate other smaller structures? Actually this sounds pretty cool.",
">\n\nLego meets the doll house, thus the great toy war began.",
">\n\nDisassembled is the pure form, it’s bliss. Assembled into a rigid structure is a prison",
">\n\nExactly, was OP in agony before his atoms were assembled into his current being? No, that was the last time he was at peace.",
">\n\nI imagine the lego pieces as some kind of collective, like the barrel of monkeys",
">\n\nNah and yah. The individual legos are sub-sentient, and the things they build are mindful of their past lives. As a result, they tend to be attracted to Buddhism.",
">\n\nI always kinda figured Lego, or really any construction set toy, would be more like a hive mind than parts of a whole.",
">\n\nI bet Legos are a hivemind that can assemble their self at will",
">\n\nWas there not a short where there was a Lego character? They were able to disassemble and reassemble at will.",
">\n\nThere's a lot of terrifying concepts in Toy Story when you think about it for any amount of time.\nFor example, toys feel pain. And they feel heat. And they scream in agony.\nThat means every time you leave a toy in the sun and it gets hot, it's paralyzed but also in extreme pain. Oh, you put a dark toy in the sand on a hot beach? And it gets up to 140-160 degrees? Yeah, it's literally burning, unable to die, unable to move.",
">\n\nI always just assumed each piece would be its own entity. Because that's kinda how lego works.",
">\n\nIn a “Toy Story of Terror” short on Disney+ there is a Lego character which is seen to be able to self assemble like the Lego movie pieces",
">\n\nLegos are just toys for the toys. They have no life of their own.",
">\n\nThe Halloween special has a shape-shifting character made of LEGO",
">\n\nThat’s not canon",
">\n\nAccording to who? Nothing in it is contradicted by canon",
">\n\nI’m just being a contrarian",
">\n\nNo you're not",
">\n\n\"Look, I came here for a good argument!\"",
">\n\nAH, no you didn't, you came here for an argument!",
">\n\nThey’re all individual toys and they can assemble themselves at will.",
">\n\nDoes each piece have sentience or does the set itself have it's own identity?",
">\n\nNah, each individual Lego brick is a separate being unto itself",
">\n\nI always thought it would be like the power rangers. each piece its own entity",
">\n\nWas it agony to be a sperm? Single Lego bricks are toy sperm in toy story cannon",
">\n\nEach piece is an individual. We do enjoy being assembled though, it gives us a sense of community.",
">\n\n\"I don't understand it. The more bits of me there were, the larger my capacity for the perception of pain. As I decayed into pieces smaller than living nerves could possibly distinguish, the character of the discomfort changed — from burning and aching and breaking I might relate to you in human terms — to something worse that I cannot fully articulate: a terrible, maddening stretching of every part of myself from every other part...",
">\n\nMy pet theory is that in the Toy Story universe, Lego are a collective intelligence.",
">\n\nLike, when do toys attain consciousness? When they are all added to the box? If you lose a piece and replace it does it feel like a prosthetic?",
">\n\nWhat is the logical most granular object with consciousness in the toy story universe? What is the ship of Theseus in this world?\nDoes plastic have consciousness but no means by which to emote it?\nDo all polymers?\nAre the lakes of fossil fuels in the ground like Changelings lakes in Star Trek?",
">\n\nYou have complete and total nerve sensitivity in your feet. You can feel them. They, from time to time, will itch. You cannot scratch them.",
">\n\nWhat about the sex toys? How'd you like to be the vibrator that goes in some 80 year old's arse?",
">\n\nIt’s serving a purpose in making a person happy, which seems to be the default goal of most toys.",
">\n\nWhy does Buzz Lightyear pretend to be a toy when Andy enters the room if he believes he's an actual Space Ranger?",
">\n\nWe are the lego, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.",
">\n\nMr. and Mrs. Potato Head seem alright disassembling so I think they’re fine lol",
">\n\nOr are they like Zords? Independent until they're combined, then they become one until they're split up again.",
">\n\nThis reminds me of the book All Tomorrows, which has a type of human who are tortured to be basically living legos. They’re called Colonials.",
">\n\nMaybe they don't gain sentience until fully assembled. In the abomination called Toy Story 4, Forky doesn't come alive until the pipe cleaner and googly eyes are put on him.",
">\n\nor as a wooden block with no eyes, ears, mouth or limbs to see, hear, speak or move\njust a prisoner in its own mind unable to percieve or interact with the outside world",
">\n\nI imagine that each individual brick is their own toy, but that their capabilities and intelligence increase as they come together... Actually that's horrifying",
">\n\nit be fun to do like a swarm self building thing with them. Maybe all the Lego are just one Lego.",
">\n\nI take the opposite approach. Separate is their state of being when created. Coming together must be pure ecstacy.",
">\n\nHave you watched the movies? Do you realize how often they get dismembered and are in fact not in pain?",
">\n\nNot if every Brick was sentient and they functioned like an ant colony or a wasp nest.",
">\n\nIt’s probably like the Forky affect. Not alive until assembled.",
">\n\nSmoke Salvia and u could quite possibly become stuck as a lego for what will feel like eternity",
">\n\nUnless every brick is it's own sentient being. Then were talking about Voltron assembling, right?",
">\n\nImagine being the last piece of a set lost under the sofa, all alone, never feeling whole forever and living a long long life, because plastic.",
">\n\nFormless and scattered, but full of infinite potential or designed and purposeful, but stuck in someone else's definition for you",
">\n\nI picture them being like the replicators from Stargate. Each block is it's own thing but when assembled they become part of the whole object regardless of size or form.",
">\n\nI think the way it works is: children can magically imbue toys with existence when they mentally anthropomorphize them. They have exactly the traits and mentality that the observing child gives them. So a pile of bricks would exist as a pile of bricks. And a spoon with a smile drawn on it is a full person.",
">\n\nDissembled Lego pieces are pure evil. They probably get enjoyment out of people stepping on them. If you think Sid is bad, talk to a random Lego head... with your foot.\nEdit: this was the very next post on my feed haha",
">\n\nIf buzz lightyear doesn't know he's a toy, why does he freeze when humans are around?",
">\n\nWould each piece, each figure be individually aware.....or would it be a single sentient consciousness capable of coordinated action.?",
">\n\nI think they don’t exist in a conscious state until they are assembled. Otherwise the conception of every single toy would be endlessly traumatic for them, and we also probably aren’t willing no to accept a reality where they actually breed the toys organically.",
">\n\nThat or existing in total nirvana, like humans in LCL from Evangelion.",
">\n\nI know Lego has their own movies going on, so it's unlikely they would look at tackle this question in future Toy Story movies, but it sure would be neat to see.\nThey tapped into this kind of philosophical question with Forky's existence, and handled it pretty well by just leaving it an open question as to \"how\".\nThere are toy balls and other things that do not appear to be alive in Toy Story. I'd imagine a Lego set would not come to life like the characters in Toy Story. It would be the mini figures coming to life and building. Basically, they'd be Benny from The LEGO Movies.\nThat is unless a set combines to become something that would be alive. Like a Bionicle set would be living characters that would surely be interested in staying assembled. Sets that assemble into animals would surely be alive when assembled. I'd guess they would mostly be ok with having a part \"missing\" while they are constantly asking around if anyone has seen it. Much like the Potato Heads do.\nBut then you get into the dark space of this thinking. What happens when those sets are taken apart, and recombined into something else that could be sentient. This is where things veer off into something like the Voyager episode \"Tuvix\". Does that character stop existing when disassembled and reassembled into the original sets? Or does it go dormant? Does it stay conscious knowing it's split into other characters and wanting to be reassembled, or is it too somewhat ok with being taken apart? If it's an original design the kid made up, it's likely disassembly means never being reassembled. That alone could motivate an original creation to do all sorts of things to maintain assembly. Either being helped by the other toys, or being the villan in a story.",
">\n\nSad thing is no one cares about them, always walking all over them.",
">\n\nsecretly they're into it",
">\n\nMaybe Legos are more like hive mind beings who can act as separate pieces independently or in rowing groups and as one well synced moving organism when placed in whatever shape in",
">\n\nOr each piece has a life of its own and when merged together creates another life form, just like Number Blocks cartoon.",
">\n\nPretty sure the toy only comes to life when the child gives it a playful animation. If the child puts a bunch of Legos together and had it run around; then yes. But if it’s a prebuilt set, no.",
">\n\nI’m imagining the giant SpongeBob Lego set I had as a kid. What do you think the rules are, like anything with eyes? Anything with a face?",
">\n\nEach piece is its own person. When they come together they become one",
">\n\nSmoke salvia, think hard about Lego and experience it firsthand!",
">\n\nI'd guess each Lego is autonomous until they're assembled into something, at which point they go hive mind.",
">\n\nI assume each individual brick is alive. Same with each part of a Lego mini figure.",
">\n\nI'm about ath gratheful ath a giraffe thmeared with Vatheline trying to do yoga on a pile of legoth.",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nThey exist as a hive mind. \nAnd mixed sets are hybrid minds.",
">\n\nIt would just be one natural state of many for the LEGO bricks.",
">\n\nI imagine it's like the Lekgolo worms from Halo, a group of simple minded entities joining up like a Voltron to form a more intelligent, singular mind.",
">\n\nI imagine they must be like Voltron. Good individually, better when assembled.",
">\n\nWhat if each piece is sentient instead and when assembled, they form a collective?",
">\n\nNo, OP, it's much worse. Each individual piece is alive. None have faces, mouths, or eyes, and get crammed together with no space between.",
">\n\nIndont think all toys are alive like barbies doll house is probably not alive so I think the mini figs are alive but the sets are not",
">\n\nDid you see toy story 4? They aren’t sentient until they get played with. Plus things like scenery aren’t sentient so it’d just be the Lego people and maybe a vehicle as then sentient parts. Further, while the toys show clear signs of happiness while being played and are forlorn when they go a long time without being played with, they don’t show any signs of being in physical pain.",
">\n\nOr are they like Voltron, and every piece is its own entity, but combine to make a single mega entity.....?",
">\n\nIn \"A Fire Upon the Deep,\" an excellent hard scifi novel, there is this race of aliens that exist as mini hive minds of dog packs. I forget the specifics, but it's something like one dog alone is unintelligent, two to three is dumb, and four to six dogs communing and living as one mind is highly intelligent. But if you have a pack of dozens or hundreds it becomes a mindless mob. The creatures use some kind of auditory systems to commune.\nThe dog aliens are at about medieval level technology when some spacefaring humans crash land on their planet. Anyway, spoiler: >!One of the bad guy dogs gets his hands (paws?) on a radio and figures out how to use the tech so that his individual pack can spread out much further than was ever possible for their species while still remaining connected. He describes it euphorically as being everywhere at once.!<\nMaybe the legos feel like that!",
">\n\nI think it would be like forky from toy story 4. \nMore like not alive until put together then like Mr potato head's features where they can be rearranged and act independently \nOr \nLike the barrel of monkeys all working for a singular purpose and then back in the barrel and close the top",
">\n\nI mean, they could be individual sentient pieces. They can be put together in any arrangement, so not being exactly what is on the box shouldn't matter.",
">\n\nnot all toys seem to be conscious - for example the Lincoln logs, the hoop ring set, etc.",
">\n\nThe question is, are individual Lego bricks sentient, or does it only gain sentience when it is put together into some kind of recognisable form.\nWhat made Forky sentient? That's what I had hoped would be explored more in Toy Story 4",
">\n\nNah, I'd imagine each lego piece is sentient. It would suck to be forever squished in place between a bunch of other sentient pieces.",
">\n\nJust a talking head in a box, waiting for your stupid human to assemble you..",
">\n\nWhere I always am when you're not wearing me on your hand, in a frightening liminal space between states of being! Not quite dead, not quite alive! It's similar to a constant state of sleep paralysis.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but maybe to be assembled to to attain an entirely new state of being?\n\"We are Legion, for we are MANY.\"",
">\n\nwhat if all the Lego bricks are like the human bricks in all tomorrows",
">\n\nIn contrary to real life in which it is pure agony to just exist 😎",
">\n\nI imagine they live much like \"The Thing\" from the namesake movie. Each lego brick is it's own self aware piece knowing that it needs to be part of a whole",
">\n\nFeel like minifigs are what's alive, but the bricks themselves aren't unless they have printed faces",
">\n\nAlternatively, each Lego brick is itself sentient and when assembled it's a groaning mass of writhing pleasure where each member is lost in the sweet blissful oblivion of ego death",
">\n\nWhat if each Lego brick is an individual toy...that means when we put them together we are smashing the face of one into the asshole of the other. I guess they don't eat or poop...but some pieces in my Milennium Falcon have been eating ass for a decade now.",
">\n\nI would assume that lego's are independantly aware and that they gestalt into larger lego hive mind creatures",
">\n\nForky didn’t come alive until after he was “assembled” so I assume legos work the same way",
">\n\nWhat would it be like when it's put together? Human Centipede?",
">\n\nThen assembly could be like mini orgasms every time one piece enters another.",
">\n\nHas anyone in this thread actually watched Toy Story? I feel like I’m losing my mind reading all of these comments just describing plot points of different movies without knowing they were in the movies.",
">\n\nThey address this in one of the Toy Story shorts. I believe it’s “Lamp Life” with some back story behind Bo Peep. Basically each individual Lego can combine to make whatever the collective Lego set wants to build. For instance, in the short the legos transform into a staircase.",
">\n\nOk, my mind may be a little impure but I imagine inserting lego bits inside other lego cavities may be a kink.",
">\n\nI think they would be like ants. I think each Lego piece would be happy all by its own, but a completed Lego model made out of those pieces would be an emergent property of Lego. Sort of the same way that individual ants aren’t much by themselves, but the colony is a type of emergence that operates as a collective whole.",
">\n\nWhy? It would just put itself together when no human is around.",
">\n\nThis begs the question...Is each block a sentient lifeform? If so, the inner pieces may be better off being unassembled else they won't see the light of day.",
">\n\nWhat if it's the opposite. What if you're a free block able to explore the world, until your put in the middle of a Lego house to never see the sun or move again.",
">\n\nIf they weren't assembled yet they wouldn't be conscious, right?",
">\n\nNo, the legos are individual entities. They sit in that box eagerly awaiting the day of their unification with a palpable sense of sexual tension, but that is a different sort of agony than what you're thinking.",
">\n\nDoes the head of a minifigure control whatever torso it's attached to, or whatever torso it was made for?",
">\n\nI'm imagining a Lego set in toy story could be something like James MacAvoy's character in Split",
">\n\nI'm gonna assume that if LEGO has toy rules then it's probably the \"swarm of bees\" of the toy world",
">\n\nI gave this some thought a while back and came to the conclusion that each brick must be an entity of its own. You don’t have to make the kit into what the box says, you can make anything - that was always the main attraction of Lego.\nWhen assembled, the blocks make up a hive with a personality matching the creation. I figured that there could be a whole story line based on bricks assembling themselves into whatever was needed or desired. There could be tribes of blocks that compete with each other or go to war, make alliances, good vs evil type stuff.",
">\n\nI think each individual Lego is sentient, not only the completed sets.",
">\n\nThat would imply a nervous system connecting the bricks. Even in the fictional Toy Story universe that's not how it works.",
">\n\nImagine you one day just leave your room, and shut the door and you hear, \"Ah s**t, Woody can you get me f***ing back together again? That f***ing dips**t teared my f***ing arm of for the seventh time in the whole s**ty day\"",
">\n\nYou’re not a toy until you’re assembles. \nForky wasn’t a toy until he was glued together.",
">\n\nNah it’s like the Golem: the toy comes alive only when the last piece is placed",
">\n\nWhat if each individual piece is its own being and it is actually much more unbearable to exist as a completed piece. Eternally attached to fucking Gary, the slim 2x2 piece that you will never be able to separate, even with that toenail clipper looking thing.",
">\n\nThere are many examples in the Toy Story universe of toys that are non-sentient building materials. ie lincoln logs, wooden letter blocks, hot wheels tracks, barbie's mansion, etc. So no, lego blocks would probably not be conscious.",
">\n\nWhat if the pieces were individual creatures? Wait, how they connect…",
">\n\nYou kidding? It must be like being a kid again. Sheer, unbridled potential lays at your feet and all that's left to do is harness it.",
">\n\nIf I had to storyboard a toy story esque Lego set, all the individual pieces would have a set of eyes and a high pitched voice like a minion, and they'd all swarm together to build whatever bigger vehicle / creature that would have a different voice when assembled. \nIs there even an instance where a toy freaks out over bodily harm / dismemberment? I don't remember.",
">\n\nI'm guessing it's more like Voltron or those construction transformers where the whole is mightier than the pieces but the pieces have their own personalities. \nAlso, Legos only being assembled as sets and not freely combined is a travesty.",
">\n\nPhilosophically, what exact point does a Lego go from unassembled pieces to a recognizable toy?",
">\n\nOr each piece is it’s own being and when they’re assembled they turn into some kind of Rat King-like monstrosity",
">\n\nI picture it more like a hive mind that is created as you build.",
">\n\nI don’t think the toy would gain sentience until it was assembled.",
">\n\nSo if Andy kept any premier Lego sets in the box the other toys just quietly shuddered every time they went by the case?",
">\n\nits an existence our feeble human minds cannot comprehend. legos are on another level of consciousness."
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Chaotic evil setup
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Ah yes, the Brandenburg Gate keyboard lol
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"Chaotic evil setup"
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The PCB frame and bottom parts of the keycaps are 3D printed, the rest of the case is made from Lego bricks. It's an interesting design and the stickers are pretty cool too =)
Has anyone else done something similar?
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"Chaotic evil setup",
">\n\nAh yes, the Brandenburg Gate keyboard lol"
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Not the same, but KBDcraft's Adam Kit and Melgeek Pixel keyboard are other Lego inspired keyboard builds.
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[
"Chaotic evil setup",
">\n\nAh yes, the Brandenburg Gate keyboard lol",
">\n\nThe PCB frame and bottom parts of the keycaps are 3D printed, the rest of the case is made from Lego bricks. It's an interesting design and the stickers are pretty cool too =)\nHas anyone else done something similar?"
] |
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I have the Adam kit, and i love it
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[
"Chaotic evil setup",
">\n\nAh yes, the Brandenburg Gate keyboard lol",
">\n\nThe PCB frame and bottom parts of the keycaps are 3D printed, the rest of the case is made from Lego bricks. It's an interesting design and the stickers are pretty cool too =)\nHas anyone else done something similar?",
">\n\nNot the same, but KBDcraft's Adam Kit and Melgeek Pixel keyboard are other Lego inspired keyboard builds."
] |
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Very cool.
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[
"Chaotic evil setup",
">\n\nAh yes, the Brandenburg Gate keyboard lol",
">\n\nThe PCB frame and bottom parts of the keycaps are 3D printed, the rest of the case is made from Lego bricks. It's an interesting design and the stickers are pretty cool too =)\nHas anyone else done something similar?",
">\n\nNot the same, but KBDcraft's Adam Kit and Melgeek Pixel keyboard are other Lego inspired keyboard builds.",
">\n\nI have the Adam kit, and i love it"
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Interesting layout! 😝
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[
"Chaotic evil setup",
">\n\nAh yes, the Brandenburg Gate keyboard lol",
">\n\nThe PCB frame and bottom parts of the keycaps are 3D printed, the rest of the case is made from Lego bricks. It's an interesting design and the stickers are pretty cool too =)\nHas anyone else done something similar?",
">\n\nNot the same, but KBDcraft's Adam Kit and Melgeek Pixel keyboard are other Lego inspired keyboard builds.",
">\n\nI have the Adam kit, and i love it",
">\n\nVery cool."
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