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Israel attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.
I imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before."
] |
>
They did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power."
] |
>
US has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now."
] |
>
Obama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons."
] |
>
It's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed."
] |
>
Lots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.
Quit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.
This is hardly half a step removed from pure "Jews control the world" nonsense. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties"
] |
>
Israel is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense."
] |
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Now you're using "Israel" and "AIPAC" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel.
I'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.
I think i get it though.... it's not "all Jews secretly control the world", it's "all the people who secretly control the world are Jews". Very nice. Not problematic. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists."
] |
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Different person bud. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic."
] |
>
Sorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud."
] |
>
From one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.
You are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America."
] |
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I said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌
But the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that"
] |
>
anyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational"
] |
>
In what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation? | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year."
] |
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“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran? | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?"
] |
>
"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea." - Reddit tankies, unironically. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?"
] |
>
And give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?
I'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically."
] |
>
Yeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already."
] |
>
The people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it"
] |
>
Not at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change"
] |
>
Check out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening"
] |
>
Performed with help of Iran, from what is known | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies"
] |
>
Iran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known"
] |
>
Not only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.
It is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction"
] |
>
Awesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead."
] |
>
What will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now"
] |
>
Don't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.
You do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???
If we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!
America, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.
Horseshit!
A single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!
And this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account
Do you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...
In one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.
You are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously."
] |
>
The support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.
I spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you.
We’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic."
] |
>
Yeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet.
I've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough."
] |
>
And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.
It would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $."
] |
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I don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.
Ukraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers."
] |
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Excellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do."
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If you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes."
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Israel does have the capability to do it what are you talking about? | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task."
] |
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What capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.
The only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win"
] |
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… the same people who would support Israel. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by..."
] |
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Good. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel."
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Why is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state."
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Maybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that "destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal." | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either."
] |
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That is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\""
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It's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there."
] |
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Israel has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while."
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It sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq."
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Iran: "We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force." | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors."
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Which one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\""
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Israel is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups.
But hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite
/s. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew."
] |
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Iran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s."
] |
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If they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff"
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Thats the excuse the russians are making | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act."
] |
>
Hence my use of the word "credibly". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making"
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You know what. I can agree on that | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable."
] |
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How about destroying the drone factories. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that"
] |
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The world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.
The government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.
This goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.
the people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality.
How the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?
It is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?
It's literally a no state solution for the conflict. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict."
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If socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism.
-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917 | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917"
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It’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia"
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I fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something"
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Israel is a terrorist state too… | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes."
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I don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe... | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe..."
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Not a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them… | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors."
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Honestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…"
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The US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us? | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!"
] |
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Lots of war mongering here.
Like, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east.
Aren't there any other solutions besides "Israel has to strike first!"
Wars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected.
What's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!"
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The arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort."
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Most of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all"
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Go for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force"
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But should Israel have nukes? | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful."
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Who’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?"
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which is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.
the usa greed for oil has made israel a power. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial"
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What oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power."
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If Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.
Honestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal"
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Usa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves."
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War mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion."
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Hear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now."
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to "we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? " Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get? | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine"
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Top gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that"
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We were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent."
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Every Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology."
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Seems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened."
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The status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List"
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"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!"
You still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!"
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Israel terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the "good guys", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it."
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And if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack
The US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical.
If Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies. | [
"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran."
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